This is a tech demo from 2004 where you can see the research on technology to track the movement in three dimensions. In the film you will see colored balls that are used to control the game.
All sony their doing is flattering Nintendo. Face it, everybody wants to be like Nintendo now because, well, it's the most successful video game company out there. Get used to it. The Move is a blatant clone of the Wii-mote, and don’t try to hide it by saying that it will provide hardcore games.
The look of it I agree with you but the actually technology is completely different. So do not call it a clone at least learn how the two different technologies work before calling something a clone. Nintendo did well with the casual by releasing a cheap console that works well enough for casual to play. What Sony is doing is making the experience better by adding the option for hardcore gamers so it has longevity.
Not only is the tech different but pwnd_of_lol didn't even notice that the video was from 2004 haha How can some one disagree with OSU?
They are not a clone technology-wise. But they do the same thing with one being more accurate. Spin it how you want, but I am buying Move because it is a more accurate Wii-Mote for hardcore games. THAT is why I like it. I'm not dissing Move or Sony, but lets call it what it is and isn't. Instead of making excuses for what it is and isn't, why not embrace it. I didn't buy a Wii for 2 reason: The wiimote was innacurate and their were no real hardcore games. The Move solves that.
it is a copy - look Wii Remote - Move Nunchuck - nunchuck the Pointer - Pointer and more if it will be better of course it will because Wii launched in 2006 Move in 2010 Soo it is a Copy and it could be a good copy or better one Stop denying That
Sony apparently had this concept for a while and just recently perfected the concept. Its not the ps3 fans fault that kinect doesnt work well, dont take the hate out here.
@8-bit The video may be from 2004, but if you look at the entire conference you will see that Marks explains he's been working on the tech/concept since 2000 - 2001 (year when it was first presented at CES). So Move has been in developpment for 10 years.
wtf did u even read the article? Sony has had the move technology in development years before wii was even wii motion controls was even unveilied. So how is it a blatant copy?
Nintendo been trying to do motion control since the 90s.
"motion control" and "fully interactive 1:1 3D motion control" are 2 totally different things.
@TheOldOne: How much of an ignorant fanboy can you get?!! Jesus H. Christ!! Motion control has been around for fucking years! YEARS! Neither Sony nor Nintendo invented the thing! Stop pulling shit out of your ass, please.
Move technology = typical USB webcam augmented reality technology with a brand name stuck on it.
palaoemrus xbotroll is probably talking about kinect :) by the way, [email protected] first donkeytroll comment (and the other ones), they have nothing to play, the "future of gaming" (eye toy 1.2) is a failure, then they are trying to downplay the good things, like ...always. to the others dumbo talking about copy, when you have videos from decades on ps2 (and before that enginering), it's pathetic, because improvments, 3D scan, and hd consoles (+ best library) is more important for gamers than knowing who was the first to try to do something similar (nobody knows), and by the way, the more ironic is when xbox's fans join the movement of wii fanboyz, forgetting that move is way more stranger for wiimote, than kinect is for eye toy (and it works)
Pwnd, it beggars belief that you say that with the proof a click away... go on press it. Buttons are useful
Again ignoring evidence... I guess E3, 2005 didn't happen either... right? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
I never said that Sony or nintendo invented motion tech, learn how to read. All I said was that Sony had their motion tech years be4 wii unveiled theirs, that's all I said. Edit: @Graphics, can u giv a link/evidence for that plz.
NINTENDO 1986: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/l_75O... MICROSOFT 2010: http://lameazoid.com/wp-con... The truth right there for all you lot to see.
No matter how many of these articles pop up its not going to convice those who can not open there eyes, and dont have the slightest idea of how business works out in the real world or how technology works for that matter, that Move is not a copy of the Wii Mote.
it is a copy and in this video who they say is in 2001 they are just demonstrating Eye Toy not even closer move or Wii remote
but there are also Sony patents from around the same time as this video showing what looks like a move controller, complete with the ball, motion sensors and buttons. So they already had the ideas, but the demos are a simplified version of what they had planned.
Browse Youtube my friend, look at the early stuff, you'll see wand prototypes from back then being tested with the camera. You'll also find early videos of 3D cameras being tested by Dr. Marks. I guess the people that disagreed with my comment are the ones that either believe these articles will make a difference, or are the ones who are dead set that Move and the Wii mote are IDENTICAL. Its like some people really believe R&D doesn't span years on some products, like the idea and tech behind move was made just last year or something. Not many products have such short development cycles.
this is cool and you guys have to relize this move im going to play the new red faction with this it is going to fucking awesome
so sony had the move technology being worked on before the wii was announced with the controllers. Interesting.
Yeah, Sony was even testing Natal-like 3D cameras 5 years ago. Interesting article: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
IT started in 2000, but camera + pointer patent is from 2004. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
OMG WERE LIKE BROTHERS! lol but no seriously tho Between Move and Eye Toy and other peripherals Sony has been Big on Motion Gaming since the beginning of the PS2. Nintendo Was big on Motion controls ages ago with things like the power glove and duck hunt however these did not have the sophisticated technology required to make any of these enjoyable on a mainstream basis. Sony waited with their tech to put as much effort and research into it to make it good enough to be used on the mainstream basis the Move is being marketed as. You could say that the Move is the result of over 10 years of research and development. that being said I am just happy that the tech has evolved enough to bring the great motion gaming experience that the Move offers for hardcore gamers.
The fact is if Sony made the tech before Nintendo why not release it before them? Fear? Afraid to take a risk like Nintendo? If the Wii wasn't such a hit Move wouldn't have seen the light of day, the fact Sony choose to wait means Move will be seen as a copy cat. @mrv321 Really so it took them 6 years to perfect it, wow, I guess its not only software that gets delayed at Sony. Nintendo only took a couple of years if Sony really did do it first. What are you on about I'm comparing Sony to Nintendo not MS, damn talk about self ownage lol. @below So you guys really believe if the Wii didn't come out Move would still have been released?
Or they didn't want to rush it like... you know Natal :P How long did Alan Wake take? I'm glad Sony spends time with their stuff instead of Vista 360 Zune Natal You know... the failure. Also, ' ZCam is a brand of time-of-flight camera products for video applications by Israeli developer 3DV Systems. The ZCam supplements full-color video camera imaging with real-time range imaging information, allowing for the capture of video in 3D. The original ZCam,[fn 1] released in 2000, was an ENG video camera add-on used for digital video compositing. Before agreeing in March 2009 to sell its assets to Microsoft, 3DV had planned to release a ranging video webcam (previously called the Z-Sense), also under the name ZCam.[fn 1] The ZCam webcam was one of several competing real-time range imaging camera products in development that target home game controller applications.[fn 2]' Don't you think that Some of that would have transfered over... count it 10 YEARS! OWNED!
they are the ones that took major risk this gen, with a new format and expensive price. Nintendo machine is cheap its no risk, people will buy. You must hate sony too much to not give them credit. The only people who played safe this gen is microsoft, having one year lead. Thats exactly why natal is an eyetoy copy cat.
And the PS Move physical design is NOTHING like the Wii mote right? A damn blind person could tell Sony copied Nintendo with their design. As for the tech, who knows maybe Nintendo did indeed do it first but never released videos. Maybe Nintendo saw those videos and took what Sony was doing and produced it faster. Move is a copy of Wii mote as much as Kinect is a copy of the Eyetoy. Its nothing to cry about, its pure business, and businesses like to copy each other in some areas and compete.
This drawing from a Sony patent filed in July 21, 2000 clearly shows a controller very much like what we now call the Move controller http://www.google.com/paten... I guess Sony had already perfected their time machine in 2000 so that they were able to travel to the future in order to copy Nintendo :)
sony doesnt like to rush there hardware. remeber omega3 sorry omega 4. lol that sony was doing electronics for over 20 years b4 the launch of psx. and that may not of happend if sony didnt back out of the deal witch the psx was nintendo's idea.
nintendo backed out bc all the games would of been property of sony, even tho it would have been on the snes cd. so with nintendo pulling out that left sony wide open with the play station.
Actually DlocDaBudSmoka is right. Nintendo went to Sony and asked them to develop a CD based add-on for the SNES. Nintendo then backed out becausse Sony would own all rights to any new IP developed on for the add-on. This pissed off Sony so they decided to release it as a stand-alone console to stick it to Nintendo. This is all pretty much common knowledge.
i'd imagine it was so Sony could get it to work perfectly, but i still take your point about 'bravery'. i'm still inclined towards the former though
"The fact is if Sony made the tech before Nintendo why not release it before them? Fear? Afraid to take a risk like Nintendo?" Oh how quickly and conveniently that even YOU forget THIS article... http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
Move would of come out or at least its possible no matter what motion tech is used for a lot more then gaming.
I'd like to think you are being sarcastic and that you know how nonsensical your comment is. Maybe not. Sony and Nintendo both took bigger risks this generation than Microsoft did. Sony took a bigger risk, because their tech was more expensive to produce than Nintendo's. Of course Sony's version of motion control took longer to perfect. It has the kind of precision that's needed to play hardcore games. The Wii doesn't, and it wasn't designed to. The Wii was designed to play casual games only. Microsoft rushed out a badly designed console so they could get some market share. Now they are putting out a motion control system that is all flash and no substance. Kinect has very limited potential for hardcore games. And yeah... since Move was in development before the Wii came out, and is much better tech, it would be released anyway. To think otherwise is silly.
They had eyetoy, you dont know what eyetoy is? youll know when kinect is released.
Good question Omega4 I think it had to do with corporate infighting. The Six-Axis won - when Move should have been the bold ... Move. And you might be right - If Wii was not the runaway success, the corporate mindset might have prevailed. That is maybe why a certain very senior father of the PS3 left. He made a judgement error - and it could only be rectified with a management change.
Where's Omega? He's abit late but he should be coming soon ...... the disagrees are in standby position lol DAMN! AS SOON AS I FINISHED MY COMMENT! Does he always appear from nowhere like this? guess he just went to get food and then quickly back to grandmas basement.
lmao grandmas basement.
actually sony had this tech in development for 10 years. and tryed and tested kinnects full body tracking. and simply found it not feesable and having issues. kinda ironic really as kinnect and devs are complaining the same thing.as for the nintendo wii. We have to know that both these companys were out way b4 microsft. and there actually neighbours. seeing there both jap firms nintendo new about sony's idea so they come out with the wii.and had this in development while we on N64. they went down the motion road as sony.already has ps2 eye toy that worked well. so nintendo new they had to make a idea simular to sony but be the first out they did .they also did well but now its sony turns. but guess what microsft was the odd one out. so they got a chance to get project natel. instead of useing what the hardware had and perhaps having a really good system that could PERHAPS have hardcor possabilitys they striped it down remade the system downgraded. and switched the name.to save them money get back into the market.and raised the price. even thoe they made the device cheaper for them. shame on them.
As a rule of thumb, if nintendo brought the wii m/c to fruititon, then why wouldn't they patent the design specs? Simple because they couldn't, but yet sony has a patent on the design specs of the move controller. And don't say that nintendo just failed to realize that applying for a patent was just a slip up, because as people are always quick to point out nintendo was in the console and gaming business before sony and definately know the procedures for protecting their ideas from being blatantly copied. Common sense people. Also in retrospect that is why kinects can't be considered a copy of the eyetoy or, ps3 camera, because of the tiniest of differences kinects uses infrared rbg and 3d imaging combination and the eyetoy or, ps3 camera, uses a 2d setup plain and simple that's why there is no infringement on any patents that are in effect.
Not all tech rejected is good decisions, and not all tech accepted is good decisions. At least with the PS3 we now have PS Eye, Six Axis and Move. They can not pull any of the tech anymore - so we will have all three available control schemes for gaming. Still like Six Axis for Warhawk. Some EyeToy games are really cool - minigames mostly. And now Move games for games like Golf, Table Tennis. I am quite certain if Sony went with Move, then we would not have had Six Axis. As it is - I think Six Axis over Move was not the best decision - but hey - now we have both motion controllers.
If Sony invented it how come they didn't sue Nintendo for stealing their tech? Big companies like Sony and Nintendo patent everything so I find this interesting. It reminds me of when some unknown twat comes out in the media and claims he wrote a famous hit song ten years before it was released.
Move = camera based motion sensing Wii is different than move. Question is why didnt nintendo sue sony? if sony stole the tech. again patents.
Because Sony wasn't the first to do motion. The power glove which was a nintendo product came out during the nes days and MS also had the sidewinder controller which also did motion controll. So Sony would have actually lost that suit.
was a mattel product that was used with the nes.
Actually your right it was by mattel. My bad
If Sony is copy the Wii how come Nintendo isn't suing for copyright? ;)
I mean really....
I think the better question is why do people care if its a copy or not? I mean really who cares? Move is better then the Wiimote so I am getting move. I have played Wii and the motion recognition is blunt at best. I mean who really care's who copies who? Nintendo has copied its share of ideas. To bad they can't copy HD and Dolby Digital/DTS 7.1. Maybe I would of bought one then.
Nintendo had this tech since the 90's.
Isn't it just possible that two people can have the same idea for completely different reasons? I mean, think about it. With a few exceptions like Newton and Einstein, a majority of the concepts that have been indentified throughout human history would have been discovered no matter what. A lot of things would have been discovered without the incredible insight of certain individuals, just a little bit later.
Right there with ya.
Even if it is just a Wiimote, so what? If it only supports Wii-type shovelware, I just won't buy it. If it's well-integrated with core games, I will. It's not that complicated an issue.
Do we need over 9000 assurance articles about a topic that nobody really cares about?
More Irrefutable Factual Evidence: http://www.gamesradar.com/p... http://ps3.nowgamer.com/vid...
How can someone disagree to evidence like that?
knew this already but it's good to get some knowledge out for other people
Move is not a Copy. i'm sure the Ninty fans dont care BUT the halo fans wont be happy at all now. lulz
I don't see how this will effect halo or it's fanbase with move being a copy or not. But I see you trying to make it one.
this has nothing to do with halo or its fans -_-" u gotta be special kid.. lol what happened to all ur bubbles????? ouh yeah trolling lolll
It already has neat support, and with upcoming games, Move is a real option
whats the big deal, its all about who uses the tech the best.
If it wasn't for the success of the wii, Move wouldn't have seen the light of day. There is nothing wrong with copying others ideas and slightly improving or changing them, if it adds to the experience then why not (as long as it doesn't infringe a patent). Sony copied; - achievements - ingame XMB - video store - Home (second life) - official headsets - official chatpad - PSN cards - guide button - wiimote ...etc. Is this a bad thing? No, because it adds something positive to the PS3. All companies borrow ideas from each other and that includes MS, Nintendo and Sony.
Try reading some of the OTHER posts in this thread... -_-'