Industry analyst Evan Wilson believes development difficulties are to blame for inferior quality when releasing PS3 games on schedule with the Xbox 360. The analyst also believes development challenges heighten the number of PS3 game delays.
The 360 just better at what it really does which is be a GAMES CONSOLE.
Also just for reference I noticed last night that the PS3 even has a PC power cable!! How funny how Ken said its a 'COMPUTER!'
Anyways 360 is where the games are and where the fun is PS3 well this is waiting...And poor porting...If this continues I am not sure for what reason I will want to keep my PS3...
The sodding thing is only worth £250 trade in at GAME now!! Soz!
Unreal Tournament - complete map set, mouse keyboard support, runs better than the 360 version, full pc mod support
Dirt - 1080p, better/stable framerate, better support for driving/force feedback gear
RidgeRacer - 1080p 60fps for the PS3, only 720p for the 360
Oblivion - Faster loading for the PS3, better graphics on the PS3
Stranglehold - Free HD movie right on the BluRay disc for all PS3 players
Burnout - 1080p for the PS3 version
DMC4 - 1080p for the PS3 version
Free online play, dedicated servers, Home for game company custom spaces, custom clan spaces for before and after matches, and party support for people to meet up and all play games online together
What's that? Some Ubisoft and EA PS3 games are halfass? OMG!!!
Seven years and Xbots are still trying to convince the world of the same old BS "hard teh program' 'cuz it's not like the pc on my desktop'
If the 360 is so 'easy to program' why does Microsoft's very own first party titles like Halo 3 and Forza 2 look like last gen crap?
"The Xbox 360 processor was designed to give game developers the power that they actually need, in an easy to use form. THE CELL processor has impressive streaming floating-point power that is of limited use for games.
The majority of game code is a mixture of integer, floating-point, and vector math, with lots of branches and random memory accesses. This code is best handled by a general purpose CPU with a cache, branch predictor, and vector unit.
The Cell's seven DSPs (what Sony calls SPEs) have no cache, no direct access to memory, no branch predictor, and a different instruction set from the PS3's main CPU. They are not designed for or efficient at general purpose computing. DSPs are not appropriate for game programming.
Xbox 360 has three general purpose CPU cores. The Cell processor has only one.
Xbox 360's CPUs has vector processing power on each CPU core. Each Xbox 360 core has 128 vector registers per hardware thread, with a dot product instruction, and a shared 1-MB L2 cache. The Cell processor's vector processing power is mostly on the seven DSPs."
TO WaggleLOL: wat u said makes no sense
DIRT ps3 got more Dev time than 360 and its the first Ps3 cross platform game to have better framerate than the 360
Stranglehold: ok u were right on this one but its just a little movie how great do u honestly think it will be
Ridge Racer: u can push 1080p on ridge racer all u want we all knew that it looked better on 360 so dont act clueless
Oblivion: didnt they have almost a year of extra dev time on that so obvioously it would be improved moron
Devil may cry and burnout in 1080p is that just for the Ps3? or are u just adding them just so u can have an actual game list cus i'm sure it will be the same for the 360
OK u guys have free online (possibly the messiest shlt i have ever seen ) i can afford xbox live i have the money to do that u can go play resistance possibly the only good online game the ps3 has cus thats the only game thats released that ps3 fanboys talk about the online aspect of the game.
Hell yea the 360 is easier to program for devs have said it sony had to help epic learn how to program the ps3 optimally did ms have to spoon feed epic? no they didnt. Halo was never a graphics powerhouse it was all about the fun and thats the direction the game is taken in forza was never a graphics hog either cus gt4 looked better than forza 1 BUT forza is a much better simulator so there u go............So dont go around making shlt up about the 360 its a great "GAMING" console the ps3 is an awesome "SUPER COMPUTER" so let them fairly duke it out
I guess you didn't read he article? Hmmmm? :D
People have to remember that 360 developers have been able to hone their skills while PS3 devs have not had as long, barely. I think the devs for PS3 started well before people reaize though, so they have had a while, becuase the PS3 was delayed from April 06 to November, only 6 months after the 360,s release. So devs were alread hacking way. With that said, PS3's'platform is harder to right for and the dev tools need more time. As devs get more familiar with the PS3 games will become more frequent and have higher quality. For those who think the 360 hs reached it's pinnacle, you're wrong, it is on its 3rd to th gen games. Most systems full potential is not reached until 5 and 6th generation games. So there is still greater things to come for the 360. I think devs are trying hard to exploit the PS3s Cell processor, but are limited by the amount of RAM.
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i quote...'For those who think the 360 hs reached it's pinnacle, you're wrong, it is on its 3rd to th gen games. Most systems full potential is not reached until 5 and 6th generation games'
well how can that be the case if the 360 is... 'so easy to develop for?'
you sir are a moron. the ps3 has the same amount of RAm like the xobx360, but it has far faster RAM then the xbox360. time will show that the ps3 is far superior. look at dirt demo, it looks far better than the xbox360 version and is far smoother. developers need to lear the hardware, and they will learn it! and then you will see th 3 to 1 difference!
your are stupid...the PS3 has a duel 512MB of RAM...and because of the processor pushes it far ahead of the 360 speed....plus epic have stated that GoW pushes the 360 it limits,they had to convince M$ to upgrade the 360 to 512MB of ram....so if GoW is the best we can get and Killzone looks 100,000,000 times better than it and its only a second gen PS3 game...well i think you get the point!
@ mighty_douche, thats becuase the platform is dev friendly, has great dev tools, etc. Search the web to see what devs had said about the PS3 and Xbox.
For the other two individuals above: Well I can see by your elemetary school name calling you must be fanboys. Anyways, go take a look at usable memory for the 360 and the PS3. The 360 has unified 512MB GDDR3 RAM and the PS3 has 256mb Ram for memory/storage and another 256MB ram for video (shared). Many devs say what will limit the PS3's Cell processr from going over the top is it lack of memory. I wish Sony would have matched more memory for the PS3 in restrospect to the powerful Cell, as I own a PS3 as well. Wow, ENNO you say that the PS3 has Dual 512MB, where did you find this. Your PS3 must be a special one. Oh, the 360 had 512b from the start. Quoting you" Epic had to make MS upgrade to 512, damn where are you getting this from.
As far as comparing games (multi plat) you ahve to look at what sytem the game was originally dev'd for. A 360 produced game ported to the PS3 will look better, in most case and a PS3 Game ported over to the 360 will look better as well. Bethseda revamped and retooled Oblivion and the difference was noticed on the PS3. Madden on the other hand is dealing with framerate issue for the PS3.
I'll keep it short and sweet. You've got to be one of the dumbest f*ckers I've ever read on here, you and Achira.
You say they both have the same amount of RAM (Not True) but thenm you say the PS3 has faster RAM??
What makes it faster??
Does electricity flow through Sonys chips faster than MS's???
Do the laws of Physics not apply to the PS3??
1). Cell runs off of 3.2 Ghz CPU RAM. Xenon (360) runs off of 700 Mhz GPU RAM, which creates very high latency, thus performance for the CPU plummets.
2). Having split memory pools means that the PS3 has 47 GB/s of memory bandwidth, while the Xbox 360 has less than half that bandwidth, i.e. 20GB/s.
Also the FlexI/O connection adds another 35 GB/s of bandwidth between Cell and RSX. CPU-GPU communication on the Xbox 360 is shared within the Unified Memory Bandwidth, which in turn reduces how much bandwidth is available for Memory Access on that system.
"Also just for reference I noticed last night that the PS3 even has a PC power cable!! How funny how Ken said its a 'COMPUTER!'"
Yes, and whats even funnier is that its the same as the 360.
"pc power cable".
Huh? Ever used a kettle?
It's called an IEC cable and most music recording equipment use them also. It's a rather common cable.
At starters many multiplat-games were inferior on the PS3 compared to the Xbox 360 after both these consoles were out. The gap is getting smaller though. But it's al about having good tools and learning how to use the power of the PS3 effeciently and effectivly.
If you do that, you may come near Kojima-san's MGS4 or Naughty Dog's Uncharted for example. And don't tell me that those games are inferior.
In due time, devs will know how to tap the power out of both systems. It's called "getting experience".
If your done using your time machine can I borrow it. I want to go to the future, play those games and come back and post about how awesome they are too.
Gap is getting closer?
Madden 08, still 30fps difference, 360 having 60fps, PS3 on 30fps?
I don't see it yet. And talking about future games, all I have to say: many of those multiplatforms were also said to become better on the PS3 while in reality they were worse then the earlier brought out 360 version. And please don't bring up the only game that looks a tad better on the PS3, Oblivion, once up again. They worked a full year extra on that version while the 360 got an early, rushed PC port to have a simoultanously release with the PC version.
Now in the end, what do we know? The PS3 was said to be the only next gen experience from its launch told to us by the marketingblabla from Sony. What did we got almost a year later? An overexpensive console that does less then its cheaper competitor console, which as extra also has the premium online service.
Not forgetting the only system with AAA games rated. The latest added to that: Bioshock close to a 10 out of 10 average reviews. 360 and Vist exclusive it is!
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it feels nice
It's all relative...the tiers at which cost is a factor will be dependent on the system that it can go on, the largest will be on the ps3, the xbox will be a mix of both, and the cheaper (although not always worse) titles will be on the wii. And now small devs will have a chance to make some money with the downloadable games for each system (wii hopefully). It's a perfect time to start making games.
poor framerate textures and dull hazey games are the ps3 staple, its not just multi plat games that suffer either, its pretty obvious the ps3 isnt as good at games as the 360
as ps3 owners say the dvd format is a problem for the 360, the limited ram is a even bigger problem for the ps3 and because of this ps3 will allways be behind the 360 in terms of graphics textures and quality of multi plat games
again another moron. the ps3 has the same amount of ram like the xbox360, it has XDR ram which is at least 2 times faster than the xbox360 ram. xbots are crazzy they make up such bs, its unbelievable. when developers learn to use the ps3 correct, such dumb idiots like you will change their minds.
Your the moron here mate. As John Carmack stated last week, they always run out of ram first on ps3 due to it being split into 2 seperate pools and the ps3's OS eating up 96mb of the ram making it unusable by games. Apparently this is causing headaches for the ps3 version of Quake Wars, so the the game Rage is being developed with ps3 as the "Lowest Common Denominator" to avoid this problem again.
you must have missed carmack saying the 360 game couldn't be done at all unless it's on multiple discs. couple that with UT3 devs saying they will try downloads to get the full game to 360 owners, and you have a 360 system with an even bigger problem. as the games get bigger, it will become difficult to squeeze them onto ms system.(if not impossible)
make sure you take a break from all this typing to clean the vagina of your 360 before it RRoD.
ha ha wow you origonal, whats the matter? you realise that im telling the truth and you cant handle the facts?
well im lucky i havnt ever had the rrod but trust me its no big deal, shame thats the only ammo you have loser
First of all:
Dirt is also 1080p @ 60fps on the 360
Ridge Racer 6 has better graphics on the 360
PS3 games cost MORE on average around £10 more RRP wise.
360 has BETTER online, with better intergration of the online with having to mess around with the awkward interface of the PS3.
Oblivion has faster loading ONLY when you install the whole game which is around 4gb.
Oblivion does NOT and I repeat does NOT have better graphics I can easily prove this - look at the character faces on the 360 vs PS3 version the PS3 version looks terrible, look at the grass and the floor the detail and colours on the PS3 version are poor. The only thing in the PS3 version that is better is that it has a slight just slight better draw distance - also the PS3 version is lacking HDR and multi texturing and lighting.
How does HALO 3 look last gen? Are you trying to tell me those visuals are possible on the old Xbox and PS2? Anyone who says that is truely ignorant and perhaps mentally challenged.
How do we know what UT3 runs like or what it will be like? Have you played it? Do you have the game? NO you dont. In regards to the 360 version well who knows, it will be out after the PS3 version soo 360 version could end up being even better.
Burnout Paradise & DMC4 are also 1080p on the 360 but who cares 1080i and 1080p there is a minimal difference I know I have 2 Samsung HDTV's in the house that I live in a 40inch 1080i and a 52inch 1080p.
And while you are sitting there with nothing to play and no decent games on the PS3 the 360 gamers are getting a ton loada games look at what is coming next friday then after that hopefully even more.
Oh and lastly the 360 does NOT use a PC power cable sheesh do some of you even know what a PC cable looks like? Or do you only know how to press the ON button?
Most of the people here mainly the PS3fanbabies are uneducated in the technical understanding of the 360 and PS3 the only thing you people know is that the PS3 has a CELL and an obsolete RSX chip and the 360's red rings.
When will you kids grow up and actually be able to have a much more mature conversation where you can input more valid comments?
"When will you kids grow up and actually be able to have a much more mature conversation where you can input more valid comments? "
This made me laugh so much. Coming from you? Let's look at the two posts in this topic alone:
"Also just for reference I noticed last night that the PS3 even has a PC power cable!! How funny how Ken said its a 'COMPUTER!' "
- It's called a kettle lead you dumb Sh*t, if the xbox 360 had an internal powerbrick it would use one too. It's pretty standard across electronics.
"mainly the PS3fanbabies" - Nice, real mature comment there, bravo.
"Oblivion does NOT and I repeat does NOT have better graphics I can easily prove this" - wow, yep your word is set in stone, sure fire proof that, you've convinced me... jackass
"PS3 games cost MORE on average around £10 more RRP wise" - that's just complete BS you made up to pad out your post. Assuming your from the UK (using pounds) you know full well that a) Electronics are never sold at RRP and b) 360 and PS3 games are all between £30 and £40.
and that is just from two posts here. I guess the question is when will YOU grow up and actually be able to have a much more mature conversation where you can input more valid comments?
When will you stop being a clown an starting acting like an intellegent person?
Look here: http://www.xbox360fanboy.co...
It clearly shows that the PS3 version has better graphics and loading times whether you like it or not.
So what is the PS3 has a "PC cable". So do HDTVs, Kettles, AMPs. The 360 does have a "PC cable". It just goes into a large brick which the PS3 is fortunate not to have.
For UT3, EPIC officially said that UT3 is playing better on the PS3 than what GeOW did on the 360.
So when you decide not to be a fanboy and "grow up" then people might have some respect for you.
you do realize that all 360 games are native 720p upscaled to 1080p. the 360 cannot handle native 1080p @60fps.
and there is no install mode on oblivion for the PS3 version. face it, it's just better.
and dirt is 720p upscaled to 1080p as well.
and if you want to talk about graphics or quality, the 360 has been out for over 2 years, while the PS3 has been out for 9 months with games that already starting to look on par with the 360 or surpasses it.
and you wanna talk about sales? the PS3 already has a 4.5 million install base world wide for a system that has "no games" that cost $500-$600.
and Halo 3 is Halo 2 with more textures. there's nothing special about the graphics.
"Dirt is also 1080p @ 60fps on the 360"
Dirt runs at 30fps on both machines, please do your research.
"PS3 games cost MORE on average around £10 more RRP wise"
I think you will find this is the other way round. Pop in to Morrisons sonny and pick up a few bargains.
"1080i and 1080p there is a minimal difference"
Rriiigghhht.....bows head in disbelief.
"When will you kids grow up and actually be able to have a much more mature conversation where you can input more valid comments?"
Include yourself in that statement.
All in all...................Must try harder 1 out of 10.
I bet you can't even name 2 AAA games that can only be found on the 360.
Mario Easy. Games average review above 90%. None on PS3.
You want two?
Gears of War, average reviews about 94%
Bioshock, average reviews close to 99% or so
There you go dude.
a few comments to your ranting:1.i don't play online, so it may be better or worse; i don't know. 2. having 10 samsung televisions in the house would not matter-it's an inferior piece of electronics.3. halo 3 is just more of the last 2 games. it doesn't stand out in any objective way. a couple new maps and weapons with average,forgettable graphics does not mean next gen. i could go on, but when you said you had 2 samsungs in the house, it told me everything about your electronic expertise. ha! samsung,hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha
give the ram thing a break they both have 512mb of ram. the ps3 ram is just broken in to two parts. they can still be used in unison though. Just like pc when they have 2gb of ram they are usually two 1gb sticks that the pc uses in unison so stop acting like your some tech expert of. if the ps3 ram is so bad how come ut3 looks like gears of war which clearly needs 512mb of ram to run otherwise epic wouldn't of told microsoft to up the ram in 360. guess the ps3 really does have as much ram as the 360 and it can use all of it for graphics
*edit both have 512mb of ram my friend the extra 10mb u are talking about on 360 are for AA and to upscale games these are not what the devs use for the game when they are designing also the XDR ram in the ps3 is the fastest ram, but u are right i am interested to compare the 360 version of ut3 compared to the ps3 version, just so it can finally clarify all this talk of ram
problem is somthing will always suffer on ps3 games due to the split ram
Xbox 360 has 522 MB RAM total: 512 MB + 10 MB EDRAM
Playstation3 has 512 MB total: 256 MB + 256 MB
so yes textures framerate and other things will be cut back on ps3, as good as your best games like mgs may look, it still has bland colours and textures
now look at top shelf games like bioshock...i use this game as an example because it has amazing colour and textures, and all the lighting water and fog effects its a stunning game and runs at a great framerate
and it pisses all over mgs, ill wait and see what unreal looks like on ps3 compared to 360, but im betting ps3 owners will get shafted again
"The PS3 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and 25.6 GB/s of RDRAM bandwidth for a total system bandwidth of 48 GB/s.
The Xbox 360 has 22.4 GB/s of GDDR3 bandwidth and a 256 GB/s of EDRAM bandwidth for a total of 278.4 GB/s total system bandwidth.
Why does the Xbox 360 have such an extreme amount of bandwidth? Even the simplest calculations show that a large amount of bandwidth is consumed by the frame buffer. For example, with simple color rendering and Z testing at 550 MHz the frame buffer alone requires 52.8 GB/s at 8 pixels per clock. The PS3's memory bandwidth is insufficient to maintain its GPU's peak rendering speed, even without texture and vertex fetches."
i guess you never heard of art direction as far as color being used in a game? you should look at GRAW for the 360 and then talk about lack of color in a game. also, killzone 2 and metal gear 4 are stunning. bioshock looks fun but not like those games.
I wonder how much he got paid to come to that not so original conclusion... I mean hasn't this been obvious ever since the Playstation 3 came out? and most people (should have) anticipated it as well. I mean the first PC -> 360-ports were "inferior" as well. It always takes a while for the developers to learn new hardware, especially when it's different from what they are used to.
Everything else he said was pretty true, "It’s highly doubtful Blu-Ray will lead to better graphics because the PS3, due to split memory pools containing 256MB worth of GDDR3 memory and 256MB worth of XDR memory can at best dedicate 256MB worth of ram to textures at any given moment whereas the 360 uses unified memory for a total of 512MB. That alone is a major limiting factor to Blu-Ray’s space advantage."
The things he say about the hardware might be true, I don't know myself since I don't really care about the hardware specs. But I find it hard to belive that PS3 is such a sucky machine that it can't handle something like Splinter Cell Double Agent and other games just as well as the 360 when you look at games like Heavenly Sword, Metal Gear Solid 4, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, etc. I think that Bethesda showed what you can do when porting a game to the PS3 if you put in a bit of effort with Oblivion, and I think that we will see more of that when Call of Duty 4 is released since it is probably the first "second generation" multiplatform game that is being developed with the PS3 in mind.
To me it seems to be more of a question if the developers can handle the Playstation 3, rather than the if the hardware inside the PS3 can handle nice gfx. This is surely a serious drawback for the system, but I think that it's way to easy for developers to blame the console instead of their own skill since other developers obviously knows what to do.
Look at the ends of the PS3 power cable it is EXACTLY the same as a PC power cable the 360 is DIFFERENT.
Nope the argument on the Oblivion case is easy to see the 360 version is indeed the better version the blu-ray drive is SLOW I rather the 360 version have slightly slower loading times instead of having to wait 45mins to INSTALL 4gb onto the hard drive!!
Nope again RRP of a 360 game is around £10 cheaper on average than a PS3 game look at the inferior Armoured Core on the PS3 version against the better looking 360 version (oh my bad its hard to say BETTER version when you have a £425 9KG black box that does nothing other than to play blu-ray movies another inferior format for several reasons).
Its rather difficult to talk maturely to those of around the age of 8 on this site hence the way I have spoken and will continue to unless I speak in BABY LANGUAGE to get my point across.
And yes the PS3 is CRIPPLED in the memory department XDR against DDR is stupid its bottlenecking.
Oh and to add insult to injury the PS3 uses 94mb of its memory just for its interface!
The 360 uses 32mb for its interface which is a FAR better interface and something that is a lot more unique instead of the PSP interface on the PS3.
Games will always better on the 360 and the 360 will always be the leading platform.
PS3 fan babies its a shame you are not gamers otherwise you would have a 360 and enjoy it for what it does...And thats...
well for one, the next fireware update will reduce the XMB usage to 32mb as well. no evidence im afraid but thats whats being said!
split ram makes no difference, look at a pc, if you have 2 512mb sticks it has no difference in performance to a single 1gb stick, infact sometimes 2 are quicker!
ps3 and xbox games are EXACTLY the same price, where do people get this crap, down the road the xbox games will end up being more expensive as games are gonna have to be placed on multiple discs!
fan-boys man..... do my head in....
lol you are such a bustard. have you ever played oblivion on ps3 ? you dont install the game 45 minutes you bustard. where do you have that info from ? do you make up things out of your ass ? lol, what a looser.
Who are you to say who is a gamer? I mean seriously get outta here I have a 360 and it is good and is the best console right now. I will give you that but too say playstation guys arent games is just ignorant they made the very industry microsoft is trying to take over every time peter moore talked he said he wanted the ps2 gamers, well guess who that is playstation guys guess we are gamers to moore. also the ps3 has lessened up the amount of ram the os uses. still not as low as 32mb but it is lower.Also XDR is better than DDR ram do some research and ram is not the defining factor for ps3 cause the cell is a bad ass cpu to which helps makes up for it lack of ram. You think 360 is great i agree, but to say the ps3 is trash is just wrong 360 has 07, but ps3 has 08. ps3 is coming with 3 games that are as big as halo next year FFXIII,MGS4,GT5 are all as big as halo, what does 360 have next year? So i guess next year you wont be a gamer cause you wont have a ps3 huh? Name one game for 360 next year that is gonna outsell any of those games?
You obviously like being proved wrong so here goes:
What difference does a "PC power" cable make? Having a huge power brick on the back of your console is far worse.
Here it clearly shows that the BD drive is just as fast if not faster than the 360s DVD drive.
New multiplat Games are the same price for both 360 and PS3.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/r... http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/r... http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/r...
And the list goes on.
Oh an the PS3 is 5KG. ;)
Better luck next time.
Armored Core 4
XBox 360 - £29.99
Ps3 - £29.99
Xbox 360 - £39.99
PS3 - £34.99
Xbox 360 - £37.99 (including expansions)
Ps3 - £39.99
Xbox 360 - £39.99
Ps3 - £39.99
Xbox 360 - £39.99
Ps3 - £39.99
Devil May Cry 4
XBox 360 - £39.99
PS3 - £39.99
Do I really have to carry on? That took 5 minutes to find that out from play.com. But still, I know you won't admit you were BS, cause your too childish to admit when you have been caught out. As for this argument over the power cable, that is beyond pathetic. Grow up
it's almost 7 am
If you people actually could READ yes this requires education in which one must attend a place called a SCHOOL I clearly said on many occassions RRP!
Do you know what this means kids? Well let me educate you since you obviously like to NOT attend school.
RRP means Recommended Retail Price.
This usually means when one walks into the store the selling price is what has been recommended to be sold at retail by i.e. Publisher.
Now if you wish to know what Publisher means I would be happy to educate you poor little kids further.
In reference to the power brick and the PC cable I was meerly pointing out the cables connectivity I dont care about the power pack of the 360 both machines are negative and positive in regards to weight and size.
And no sorry the 2x blu-ray player is NOT the same speed as the 12x DVD drive I think you need to do a bit more research or you could just watch the many videos on the net that show the same games side by side and you can clearly see the PS3 versions take longer to load.
Also yes it does take around 30-45mins to install the PS3 games onto the hard drive, first it takes around 5mins to even start to install dont tell me I am being ignorant etc it does and you know it the it starts to painfully install.
I have hardly noticed the difference in loading with and without installing and its such a shame that the PS3's obsolete RSX cannot even do the visuals the 360 XENOS can do.
360 has Multi texturing, HDR+AA and other features like 10mb EDRAM for free Anti aliasing along which are some of the DX10 features which makes the GPU a DX9.5 system.
Oh and the 360 was the FIRST console funny enough to offer 1080p thanks to the update which UNLOCKED the ANA chips capabilities...But then again I am sure many of you are just playing your pricey PS3 on a 14inch portable...
answer my question at the end of my other post super saiyan 4 i wanna hear what you have to say dont run from my query. also the 360 was the first console to upscale games, which true HD junkies know is not the same as native resolution. That is what the difference between BLU-rays and DVD are. You can upscale a dvd but it is not as detailed as a bluray at the same resolution because it is not the dvd's native resolution and dvd doesn't display all the detail that a blu ray does.
HERE IS MY QUESTION AGAIN
You think 360 is great i agree, but to say the ps3 is trash is just wrong 360 has 07, but ps3 has 08. ps3 is coming with 3 games that are as big as halo next year FFXIII,MGS4,GT5 are all as big as halo, what does 360 have next year? So i guess next year you wont be a gamer cause you wont have a ps3 huh? Name one game for 360 next year that is gonna be as big as these halo 3 type franchises?
Edit this Guys is gone i just owned his self righteous ass
quote '10mb EDRAM for free Anti aliasing along which are some of the DX10 features which makes the GPU a DX9.5 system. '
hmm anti aliasing is dx10 huh, wow that means i had a dx10 nvidia 6600gt like 4 years ago....
what a noob.... the xbox is a Dx9.5 system... hahahahaha where do people come up with this stuff!!
edit @: Antan... to true mate, thats gotta be the funnest/uninformed comment ive read for a while! Dx9.5 lol still cracking me up
"are some of the DX10 features which makes the GPU a DX9.5 system"
Ill be happy when the 6 weeks holidays are up so this muppet can go back to school and learn something useful, english would be a good starting point.
its always been this way when you have new hardware of course its also a developer thing as well,pay peanuts get monkeys hence why ea games have gone down the pan
the top devs never complain about the ps3 they are full of praise for it as the only platform out there as next gen.
theres no limitations to it, they all have hard drives they all have blu ray and with top class devs comes top class titles
ut3 can,t be put on the 360 it looks better than gears epic,s own comments due to space but the 360 will get a watered down version
mgs4 talking 20gb plus may even need 50gb bluray disc to fit game on
this is already happening and its not even a year old yet
people say two discs doesn,t bother me jokers
You people are clearly stupid.
Ok try this he states its its OWN API in its own right however does clearly state that its sharing features from both DX9 and DX10 yes thats the bit I am talking about creating a similar inbetween of DX9.5 even though as stated it is its own API
Also I havent said the PS3 is trash find where I said that exactly...Thats right you cant.
Well MGS4 (not my sorta thing) and FF13 will be top sellers but since there are a few million more 360's I reckon Fable 2 will easily beat those games in sales world wide that is.
Lost Odessy seems to be a 2008 release now and again another top seller.
And put it this way...Once HALO 3 is released there is no game that Sony will ever have that will beat it in sales.
Next year there are plenty of titles and lets not forget Too Human if it doesnt make it for this year its certainly gonna be a hit next year.
Looking at it the Xbox 360 is the only console that has the most exclusives that are all pretty much AAA titles.
What has Sony got? Only 2 huge titles MGS4 and FF13 the other games are just average titles.
And whats funny is Sony has lost many of its exclusives - still doing a petition on DMC4? Hahahaha you might want to do one for Ace Combat 6 and some other games.
Oh and whats it feel like having to WAIT for several months for a port from the 360?
GRAW 2 comes out next Friday for the PS3 whilst you are playing a 6month port 360 gamers and true gamers I might add will be on BIOSHOCK and perhaps Blue Dragon! Oh and Moto GP 2007!
Awww whats that? You want Bioshock? Well you know what to do...
Sit back and wait IF it comes out ;-)
Your still full of sh*t. Not even Xbox fanboys are botherign to back you up cause your talking out your ass. Lets pulls apart your posts one by one again shall we?
"Do you know what this means kids? Well let me educate you since you obviously like to NOT attend school.
RRP means Recommended Retail Price. "
- For one, it been years since I went to school. Secondly, the RRP for every single game I mention up there? Exactly the same for both consoles. And the RRP don't mean jack when no one is selling it at the RRP, so mayby you should go back to school and learn to read.
"which makes the GPU a DX9.5 system."
- this is such a joke it's not even worth commenting on. DX 9.5? PC gamers will be laughing so hard at you right now...
"1080p thanks to the update which UNLOCKED the ANA chips capabilities"
- You need to do some research befor eyou post ignorant comments. The 360 doesn't run native 1080p, it runs upscaled to 1080p. And yes there is a noticeable differance, especially if you are bothered about using such a resolution. It's also a well know fact that most 1080p TV's don't support that resloution through anythign other than HDMI, which you will need to buy a new console for.
"What has Sony got? Only 2 huge titles MGS4 and FF13 the other games are just average titles. "
- I'm not going to bother postign the games again, because you know full well what line of exclusives Sony has and regardless if you want to admit it or not, they are triple A titles, and will sell by the bucket.
"And whats funny is Sony has lost many of its exclusives - still doing a petition on DMC4? Hahahaha you might want to do one for Ace Combat 6 and some other games."
- Ace Combat 6 started as an Xbox 360 exclusive, and moved to a timed exclusive. Nuff said
"Awww whats that? You want Bioshock? Well you know what to do... "
- Yeah, get it much cheaper and in a much better resolution on my PC...
nicely said! bubbles my friend!
it's ludicrous how stupid this guy is, i'm afraid that if a read anymore of the otaku saiyan kid's writing- his stupidity will rub off on me.
hello ignore button!
Another "Who's got the bigger P nis" thread. This is getting older than George Bush's anti-terrorism speeches.
*Sony fa6boys have been braggin about the PS3 as being 2x faster than 360 since 2005.
I haven't seen it yet.
*Sony fa6boys stated games that are made for PS3 are too powerful for 360.
They shut up suddenly when Fight Night (a game that was dev'd on PS3) came to 360...FIRST.
*When PS3 version finally came out-they stated it had better graphics-DUH it was in development longer?? And there wasn't a $600 worth difference anyway.
*Now they say Madden issues are due to ALL devs not having enough experience with PS3 yet.
WT*F*?? EA didn't get PS3 dev kits last week ya know. And look at Infinity Ward \ CoD4-this disproves your "360 has been out longer/Just wait until.." theory.
Someone obviously misqouted\mis-translated Ken, when he said; "It's a SUPERcomputer" What he said was to dev for it;"You need a SUPERCOMPUTER".
...does he also believe that ice is cold because its frozen water? *SIGH* These analysts are such douches--who in the heck pays their salaries?
Developers are becoming lazy. I mean, to know what they know and how to program games, do you know how long it takes to bring the Madden 08's frame rates to 60. I takes a couple of months working 7 hours a day with around 50 people. Lazy bastards, why not release that game a few months after as well.
STOP trying to act smart u def copyied and pasted all that from another website u retart u know damn well that the ps3 is gonna rule everything from now all they way till FOR EV ER, FOR EV ER, FOREVER
HOW U LIKE THEM APPLES GAYBOT360 FANBOYS U KNOW IT TO BE TRUE
No one really cares, even if you think you do you really don't. It's all about the games.
And as far as the games, yes I blame a lot of people for what happened with Sony games up to this point. For one I blame Sony- yes your busy building a super computer gaming system, but who better to understand the gaming system then the people who built it. (better support was needed, it was in fact key)
Sony has come out saying that they will give better support for unreal and the people working with the engine. Which just goes to show that they have not been doing enough.
But they are not alone in the blame, I also blame the money hungry companies who have released just awful products. (a game called F.E.A.R comes to mind) I was the biggest FEAR fan you could find, I beat the game in 3 days straight on my PC, I fell in love with the multi-player version and could not stop playing it. (I was not good, ok scratch that I was good but I was not great, but I was hooked. I played all the time day and night.)
So when I found out it was coming to PS3- I was so excited. Little did I know it would be a half ass port, which discussed me so much I don't even care about the PC version of the game, and they can make 25 sequels to the dam thing I could care less. That Port should have never been released, it's a complete example of what not to do to a game franchise. I have lost all respect for anyone working on the game and any company associated with that game.
My point is (sorry for that rant on fear, I could not help it) game developers will take shortcuts, and still charge you full price for a half ass port, so sad. But is that PS3's fault. NO!
Don't release your game if you can't make it right. So if you can't do conviction right on PS3 then my hat goes off to you Ubisoft.
Because instead of just robbing the consumer you say "Look we just didn't have enough work put into the game to get it to work right on the PS3, we have only been working with Xbox development kits so we backed out instead of pissing everyone off and making some half ass port. That is a much better move then making a weaker version of an Xbox 360 game and still charging the same price.
So if you ask me, blame falls on both sides Sony, and the Developers - it's a complex system and it will take some serious work and money to get your games ready for a PS3 release. You can not just port the PC version, like you can on 360, PS3 is a whole new architecture, it must be designed from the ground up.
So in the future Game companies will see this, as games designed for the system do very well and by 2008 companies will design catering to PS3 instead of offering side dishes. By 2008 I think the war will be over. Great games on both systems- But PS3 will take the lead because of blu-ray and having that much space on a disk will start to become a problem for 360. So i see 360 slowing down big time in 08.
(Now don't attack my bubbles if you disagree just click disagree and state your opinion -I would love to hear why, instead of just having blind attacks.)
there's no answer to that !
Extra bubble for effort !
why are you and others worried about ps3 dev.? it's only been out 9 monthes. look at what the system has coming out the rest of this year and also in 2008. look back on the 360, it didn't have anything the first year and not a whole lot since. when the ps3 has been out 21 months like the 360 has, then get back to the ps3's "problems".
Lets give these developers another 6 months. Things will change then because they'll have to.
No inferior ps3 hardware is causing inferior games.
no, inferior hardware causes an over 30% failure rate, the need for huge power bricks and leads to games that will be on multiple discs.
Captain Obvious analyst here....