In a talk at CEDEC 2010 revered game designer and Team Ico head Fumito Ueda said that he believes, “great animation is one of the most important advantages the Japanese entertainment industry has over other regions.”
I agree alot, Uncharted 2, Limbo for example has some awesome animation, but by and large Japanese are the best at it
"Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Creator Fumito Ueda Thinks Japanese Animation Best in World" yep just like boobs physics =P
... apart from maybe the Pixar stuff, which is also absolutely great ofcourse, but Japanese animation in both movies as well as in games, is usually of an extremely high standard. They always take the time to show something small yet realistic. A small tiny movement here, and indication of feeling by a slight change in facial expression there... It's just quality.
Jesus I love your comments. Finally people that can see it. Most people in the west is blind. Disney is of course very good,but Japanese animation rapes all in all western animation by large.
i will take studio Ghibli over pixar ANYDAY studio Ghibli>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ;pixar
Their work is soo emotional & their track record is 2nd to none. I love japanease animation (spirited away, castle in the sky, Howl's castle ect) but pixar No. 1
Anime. Yuck. ("Watching yer girl cartoons again, son? I am disappoint") Oh, you mean 3D animation. Still...I don't think so, Tim-san.
"Ico and Shadow of the Colossus Creator Fumito Ueda Thinks Japanese Animation Best in World" No!!!! PIXAR and Walt Disney have the best animation of the world.
I hope you are kidding son, or else. I am dissapoint.
Have you seen the movies of Studio Ghibli? Have you seen Ghost in the Shell? Those are some of the best animations ever.
Yes i have seen Studio Ghibli movies. Now i ask you... have you seen Pixar movies. They have some of the best movies around.
I have seen Pixar movies. It still does not compare to Ghost in the Shell. Pixar is more cartoony and Ghost in the Shell is more realistic.
Jap cartoons > everywhere else
Avatar : The Last Airbender would like to have a word with you.
While I agree that Avatar The Last Airbender was a incredible show it is was ONE out of hundreds of crap American animation shows for kids. And more adult shows like Family Guy and The Simpsons which no one would argue is crappy animation(those shows rely on their writing) The level of Quality Japanese animation of a similar or higher caliber to Avatar is much higher so Japanese animation still wins.
family guy. yes that may be a bad example of animation but I am referring to the humor and content. Jap anime just doesnt strike me as funny except...looking.
Family Guy? Humor & content? hahahahahahahaha OT: Yes, Japanese animation does seem to have a higher quality to American animation. Maybe it's because animation here seems to be relegated primarily to child cartoons or adult humor animations. Whereas in Japan they don't seem to relegate the medium to those two options.
What really surprised me about Avatar The Last Airbender was how good the writing was. More than once I rolled my eyes and expected a cliche plotline that never happened, which made me anticipate where the next episode was going to go so much more.
@darthv72 You should try a sex comedy like Orochuban Ebichu (the housekeeping Hamster Ebichu) or a black comedy like Bokusatsu Tenshi Dokuro-chan (Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-Chan) you also have the slice of life comedies : Crayon Shin-Chan, Azumanga Daioh, Hetalia: Axis Powers, etc.
hahahahahahhahahaha!!! He said Avatar: The Last Airbender... hahahahhahahahahahahahh!!!!!!!
Yeah about that, Avatar isnt all American made! They had help from an over seas anime studio i wanna say a Korean animation studio i cant remember ANYWAYS yeah far from being fully American! So yeah in the End Asian animation will ALWAYS be on top! OHH and RedDead do stop using the word J*P! Its very Racist!
Yes, laugh it off. Avatar is a very greatly crafted American cartoon. Hell, it's even won awards.
Wet noodle, i meant it as short for japanese and I don't mean it offensively, so um my bad. And I like the fact that people can slag off something like Avatar but love Kingdom Hearts or Valkyria Chronicles, Avatar has a solid story and doesn't use any tricks or have twists or anything, it's just a straight forward good story with awesome fight scenes.
Besides animation quality Japanaes animation caters to all ages and tastes. In NA the cartoons are mostly for under 12 with some comedic shows for adults. NA animators have a missed opportunity. Imagine a new D&D animated show but more serious catering more for teens to adults on primetime or even late night tv.
this scene alone shows you the great difference between an anime made for a young audience (12 - 15 yo)in America and one made for the same audience in Japan : http://www.youtube.com/watc... and the degree of animation is just on another level than US cartoons : http://www.dailymotion.com/...
everytime we get animated shows over here that get to serious like superman/batman adventures, JL, JL unlimited, teen titans and so forth they get canceled because the networks say kids don't need serious cartoons. the networks fail to realize that adults watched those shows more than kids. i was hella pissed when these shows were axed.
It is a shame that animated shows are still seen as just for kids in NA. I'm a mature adult and love to watch a good anime, read a few comic books and play video games, all of which are deemed for kids. I say BULL!! It's all entertainment and can cater to all ages and tastes. Yeah Triella, those are good examples of the quality of Japanes anime. There is an energy and detail that is hard to match. It is a shame Tiny that more teen and adult animated shows aren't made and the ones out there are cancelled. While I'm not really into superhero shows like I used to be I think they fail to see how varied in age the audience for animated content is. There is a market out there for more teen to mature animated content in the US that is being ignored. I do hope one day there is a popular animated show not geared for kids that becomes very popular and isn't a comedy. Maybe then the stigma of cartoons being just for kids will die.
I'm always amazed at the animation and the amount of detail whenever I'm watching Howl's Moving Castle. That's just one example though.
Miyazaki is amazing.
Been watching Miyazaki's works for years and has never failed to wow me. Now even my child likes his movies and it's quite something for a parent and child to have some common interests.
Dredge. I love your comment:)
Even ponyo... which I thought lacked story made me amazed at the useless things Miyazaki would show that you could just appreciate but take for granted like how she looks wide eyed at the water being poured in the noodles. Miyazaki is a top class act. I can't help humming the song of laputa everytime I pick up a piece of broccoli also. ~_~
I think Uncharted has gotten somewhere at least, but yea, I definitely agree about animation. You can even see good animation running through bad games.
I would have to agree that the quality of animation in Japan is MUCH higher in Japan. Japanese cartoons rape Western cartoons most of the time in terms of story/quality and animation. One example of animation quality if you look at how well films like Advent Children are animated for example. And don't get me started on Studio Ghibli films or The Girl Who Left Through Time.That said I think the west are far superior with live action. Uncharted 2 for example though..had SUPERB animation.
"The Girl who Left through time" is that a anime?
Yes. Grab a DVD for it on Amazon, you won't be disappointed.
I meant to say Lept through time sorry lol But yeah it's an anime film and it's fantastic. I strongly reccommend it. One of the best animations of this decade easily.
The Girl Who Leapt Through Time is such a incredible movie both in terms of the animation itself and the awesome story. Everything in that movie is just so incredibly well done. I would love to see it on Blu-ray at some point but for now the DVD is WELL worth the purchase.
I agree with him 100%
This topic is done.
Well you'd expect the animation in Japan to be better seeing how big anime is over there.. not to mention what other country is crazy enough to have a real anime porn industry.
Nothing beats Killzone 2 Helgast animation. Its the best i have ever seen.
But it looks real.
Fumito Ueda :)
not only the best animations are japanese but you will also find the games that live in your memory for ever came from Japan the likes of shenmue,mgs,ico,zelda,mario..e tc
Japanese animation triumph over western animation because big companies like Disney has closed down their animation studios and payed more money to create CGI animations. When was it the last time you saw a good animation movie from some big american company? Nope, everyone in the states and Europe has jumped the CGI animation wagon while japan has no one else to compete with but with themselves. Sure, we also have Korea who creates big budget animations for Japan and the united states, but their stuff is usually based on western style or japanese style. While Japan wins the japanese animation award for best drawn movies, the states (pixars and dreamworks) are still winners in the CGI animation. Yeah, you can bring up FF7:Advent Children and such to the table, but when it comes to quality animation, humor, story telling and animation techniques, Pixars and Dreamworks have out done themselves.
I would be willing to bet that had SE stayed in the movie business they would have vastly surpassed anything from the studios you mention. Final Fantasy The Sprites Within was mind blowing when it came out. It still looks better then a large amount of the stuff being released now and it's more then 5 years old. It failed horribly because it wasn't animation for children and at the time stuff from Dreamworks and Pixar was big but from a purely technical standpoint The Sprites Within blew everything else away with ease. However because of the cost of the movie and the failure it had at the box office it was deemed a failure and Square Pictures was shut down(this is why the named Square Pictures isn't used in Advent Children) They did however at the time have the best CGI animation of all time when compared to other works at the time. Had they continued on in the movie making world I would bet they would be on top.
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within didnt fail because it wasnt aimed at children, it failed because apart from the animation it was utter shite with bad voice acting and a weak as piss story.
The story was good. It failed because people were expecting things from the games like summoms and such. In my opinion it was more entertaining than advent children because i love the story they told. People should of realized going in that just like the games eventhough it has the final fantasy title, it was going to be different just like all the numbered titles. example would be ff12. Hell it got a 2 thumbs up.
Sadly to say the western Market concerning adult theme animated types of movies is still in it's infancy. This movie is a moving work of art.
Kekkaishi, Summer Wars, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, High School of the Dead, Clannad, Ghost Hunt, Monster, Gundamn...anything, ef a Tale of Memories, xxxHolic, anything by Miyazaki, and so much more. All are examples of the quality that is anime. I'd go even as far as to say that a good majority of anime have stories, that rival those of major live action shows, and blockbuster movies. Especially Monster, which has a story so deep and compelling it beats most live action productions in both storytelling, and quality.
Funny thing is that Betty Boop became the stamp of standard Japanese cartoons. Obviously they have evolved far more nowadays.
Japan has always been superior in my eyes in both Animation and Game Design. They understand the medium well, and anyone who says otherwise is full of crap. Shooters aren't everything. There are a lot of trends that have came in the gaming industry, but none of them have meant the end to one type of game design over another.
Japan gives animation more respect than most other cultures rather than assuming everything animated is for small children. In many ways I'd argue that animation is a superior form of filmmaking than live action. If you need examples, try doing something like Spirited Away, Magnetic Rose (from Memories), Akira, Ghost in the Shell (although mimicked by The Matrix in many ways) or Grave of the Fireflies (WAS attempted and was clearly inferior) as live action films. In the case of most sci-fi or fantasy examples, an equivalent live action film's budget would be enormous (I don't even want to think what a live action Akira would cost...) and would likely yield an inferior result. Edit: Actually, several filmmakers evidently want to try to remake Akira as a live action film, but I saw a budget estimate of $300,000,000 that killed the project. No one can figure out how to make a live action version of a 1988 animated film, which pretty clearly illustrates my point. Should they make it, I guarantee it won't be able to touch Otomo's film.
I agree. Anime is the most detailed, beautiful and well done animation in the world. It is worlds better then some of the sloppy crap people draw these days. I mean is Batman Brave and the Bold,Secret Saturdays and Star Wars the Clone Wars supposed to be examples of modern animation? What a bunch of hacks.
I agree that Japanese hand-drawn animation is top notch -- I think it'd be safe to say that its pretty much the finest in the world. When it comes to computer-generated stuff, though, the West takes the crown easily -- e.g. Pixar, Dreamworks.
In Japan animation/comics is used as a medium and is accepted by adults and children all over. The west has only recently started to reach out to the adult demographic, but still remains at large as a family orientated(Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks) or comedy(Family guy, Simpsons, MTV cartoons) sort of medium. However it should be noted that it was Disney cartoons that first inspired the Post World War 2 Japan to evolve this form into a completely different form accepted by all ages. (Note: Japan did have ukiyo-e which mimic'd manga but it was still Disney that invigorated the imaginations of the Japanese, i could be wrong here so if someone knows better please correct me). Anyhow since the industry over there is part of lifestyle and culture naturally they will be much better at it.
The old Disney of Walt Disney was brilliant with hand drawn animation. Fantasia is among my favorites. Corpoate Disney of modern day with cheap Cinderella II and Jungle Book 2 knockoffs of classic Disney animated films is a very different entity.
http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... The funny thing is. I hear ignorant people say anime is for kids. But infact thats one thing that makes Japanese animation great. It transends the common misconeption that animation is for kids. Watch the links I posted or films such as Ghost in The Shell, Neon Genesis Evangelion (Including the new remade films), Blue Submarine 6...no way are those for kids. And the animation quality is above and beyond anything I've seen from the west in years.
yup no questioning it. 200% correct
For us fans who enjoy both western and eastern games it's great to see that not all the japaneese gamedesigners dosn't sound so resigned and negative of how their loosing marketshare in the industry, and they need to play catchup all the time, and also focuses on the areas wich they are ahead of the pack. I don't think there are any western games wich comes close to the perfection of the animation in the long cutscenes of MGS4, for example. But I've played a few western games wich match that game on ingame animation afterwards, i.e. Assasins Creed 2's main characther, and Uncharted 2 in general. But the cutscenes, I've never seen anything wich is in the same league as the Meryl & Johnny Proposal cutscene in MGS4, I grinned like a grim reaper for the entire 5 minutes, that's flawless animation, with lots of different emotions shown by the chatracthers, wich is the hardest thing to animate, in my opinion. :P
Miyazaki's films are amazing. I've been watching a lot of his work over the summer. There is a charm that is not found in western animation. Take 'my neighbor totoro' for example. Gorgeous animations and as a film it is amazing. No villains, no big action scenes and yet it is more memorable then any animated (or live) film I've seen in a long time.
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