Microsoft has confirmed that it will be increasing the price of Xbox Live Gold in Canada, Mexico, United Kingdom and the United States.
Lmao thats like 59+tax in Canada. SMH. gotta get rid of my xbox soon.
You keep saying anti 360 sh*t after you have had a change of heart about the 360 it gets old. You know how many times I've mentioned me getting rid of my PS3 after being disappointed in it? 2 times. The PS3 fanboys won't give you bubbles they hate you now. There is obviously a huge update offering much more coming for Microsoft to do this. My PS3 tag was *Masseffect1* I was or am on DEN-UK's PS3 friends list he's a N4G member I want to say a web browser fused with Bing with youtube ect. I was or am on DEN-UK's friends
you never had a PS3 in the first place.
"There is obviously a huge update offering much more coming for Microsoft to do this." or they just want more money...They know a lot of people wanting to play Halo are going to pay for it because they have waited for the final Bungie Halo...smart business move
@pope- You stalk people are something? How do you know what he does or doesn't have?? Some people just aren't into their PS3s as you might be..get over it. My friend is a multiconsole owner and he spends nearly all of his gaming time on the 360. In fact, the only time he logs on to PSN is when I come over to show him how cool Uncharted 2 is. Pope, there is world OUTSIDE of N4G filled with people. These people have different tastes and personal preferences...once you embrace that..ull be good to go. As far as the article is concerned, Microsoft better have something HUGE coming to XBL if there going to charge that kinda money just to play online. Whatever it is, the Halo fanatics won't care and will pay for it regardless. As for me, I'll just stay away..far away.
lol believe it or not.. He is a full fledged troll now :) he rampages on both ps3 n 360 articles. btw.. it would be a good time to stock up on those 20-30$ 1 year Live cards then?
worth every penny
Bye bye Xbox, it's sad but from now on I'm only going to use my PS3. PHUCK YOU MICROSOFT!
I think Microsoft might have to change their name to Microshaft, I can't believe that they are increasing the price, even if it is only by $10. I'm glad I don't play online on my 360. Edit: Wow at least 4 brainwashed people that are happy to fork out more money for the exact same service. The stupidity of some people is beyond compare. The reason MS has done this is because they KNOW that they can, that's it, not because they are going to offer you anything extra.
Can't wait!!!! to see what they will offer for $10 more. CAIN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!! This means MSFT is going to reveal the update features SOON!!!! Pretty smart of MSFT announcing the price hike before they reveal the update features so when they finally show the update the price hike won't be used to try and downplay the new great offerings.
Damn, If I'd run that company, I could rise the price to $100, simply because people will pay for it, it's not an option, MS control all the on-line features and if you don't pay you don't play on-line, I know some crowd will defend this and say it's cool to pay more, but they not see this the same way I do...
wow! 360 owners will have to pay MORE per year?! =S this is when I really appreciate the free online for PC and PS3 gaming. lol @ butthurt because his "comrade" "defected" now i've seen everything xD CRY MOAR even bigger LOL @ all the people excited about the increase in price. It must be the only place on earth where people are excited by an increase in price...so deranged its scary =S brainwashed is what they are.
grr... why are they charging more for xbox live when they cant even secure exclusives with all the money there racking in now besides time exclusives... which are completely worthless
M$ can no longer make as much profit from exclusives enymore so they just charge more for live to make up for the money thats not being made due to the lack of exclusives.
http://n4g.com/news/411988/... Your id was "Masseffect1"?...... ......What! Just like the user "PS3 slim"? Who happens to be one of your many accounts? who`d of thought it! All these times you've been moaning about multiple account users and yet here we are AGAIN, putting your foot in it. Will you ever learn POG?
wow, way to go Microsoft. First, you dissapoint the hardcore and leave almost no games for 360. Second, you will release an overpriced camera wich is just garbage. And now we going to pay more for Gold because you are adding "features" that we can only use if we buy your overpriced camera! Either you give me free arcades or some GOOD deals or Zune/Netflix for free or im out. EDIT: HOLY SHIT! México has NOTHING in the Marketplace, theres no Zune, No Netflix, No Last.fm, some demos are not available, some deals neither, No Sky, No ESPN, No Hulu... I can't even... Why would you increase the price there?
It's slightly shocking to see THIS many people approve a price hike merely because you believe you're GETTING something out of it. Do you have any idea how absolutely out of your mind you sound?? To the point where you could be considered BRAINWASHED. I'm guessing most of the people agreeing with this price hike are just kids, because no ADULT would ever approve of raising prices for the same service. That's why in the REAL world, when there is a TAX hike, there are voices that speak against it, no one likes to pay more for anything unless they absolutely have to. An extra 10 bucks does not seem like a lot, just like an extra 50 bucks didnt seem like a lot from the beginning, and just like an extra 100 bucks wont seem like a lot if it happens, cause M$ can raise the price every few months by 10 bucks and people would continue to pay. I understand M$ has a nice online community, and you feel as though it's completely worth the extra money. But consider the pact that PC gaming has had massive online communities and have never charged for online play. Online play is mean to be FREE. You buy the game for 60 bucks, you shouldn't have to pay to be able to play it online. I know it's in one ear and out the other to the Xbox fanboys, and they'll continue to shell out cash and justify it, "Duuuhh, we gettin' new AvaTahZ! Duuuhhhh..." Fuck that. Think like an adult, ask yourself questions! They're only raising the price cause they know they'll get away with it. They dont care about you, they're not giving you extra content, they're releasing Halo:Reach, and giving you all the reach-around by charging more for XBL right when 2 of their biggest titles are comign out. Those of you that defend M$ downvote me all you want, it still wont change the fact that you're an idiot for supporting these kind of business tactics. At least on PS3 you have the OPTION of paying more. And if you DO pay more, you get FREE games and FREE exclusive betas and FREE merchandise out of it.
@Droid Smasha Dude, just admit it, This Price increase is unnecessary and greedy. Its like they're trying to cash on the New Owners that buy Kinect in November and millions that are gonna Halo: Reach. @Hallmark Moment Yeah, and you can probably get those features for free on other platforms like a PC. Hell, maybe those new features will only be for Kinect. That means one would have to get Kinect and XBL Gold to enjoy those features.
Man thats all ive come to say from ur comments, its totally true and i back natsu x fairytail, Canada bairly gets a taste of what us gets and making it 59 plus around 15%of tax is too much for consumers to accept, for some reason ps3 is more common around here, not too much but it is
if the added ESPN streaming is good, then I think that justifies the additional dollar or so per month (I buy the yearly subscriptions). Of course I wouldn't pay if I had the option, but all of my closest friends are on Xbox Live so that's what does it for me. I only know one person in real life on PSN, and trying to communicate with him and the process of sending him invites to games is a pain in the ass, honestly. When I think about it, people complain about the cost of Xbox Live when subscription MMORPGs are a lot worse! And there's free alternatives to that too, just like PSN's online multiplayer is a free alternative to Live. I don't know about you guys, but I notice a huge difference in quality between PSN and Live.
Honestly between MS now charging $10 more for live and Sony charging people for used games. It's safe to say I'm going to just dedicate all my gaming needs to pc gaming and forget both consoles altogether. This is just crazy
@Hallmark Moment Don't expect anything spectacular MS is already touting videochat conference with two friends as a new, cool and innovative feature to justify the price increase, but PS3 owners have been able to do so for a long while now, with up to 6 people at a time and moreover utterly and completely free of charge.
You seem to takes things way to serious little one. Well let me say then. Not a lot of people believes you have a PS3 anyway. If you do, i'm sure that game you're playing where you don't have a 360 is playing off very well. Anyway,on topic: look, there's deal where you can lock it up for 39.99 for the year. $20 cheaper than the new rate. It's here. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/l... That's what I plan on doing.
It's official. Microsoft has lost it.
"even bigger LOL @ all the people excited about the increase in price. It must be the only place on earth where people are excited by an increase in price...so deranged its scary =S brainwashed is what they are." I wouldnt say i am "excited" for the increase but then again it doesnt bother me either. No need to call people brainwashed if they choose to pay for a service where as others choose not to. edit: @terbius...is it really free if you have to pay a membership in order to use it. The free games are the same as pay to play. You need to keep your psn membership in order for them to be "free" otherwise they no longer work. On a side note, I can see why many sony fans are crying foul on this more than 360 fans. It gives sony the notion that they can raise their price as well or even change the terms of the membership. Take away little by little, more from the free side and put them in to the membership side. I wish my landlord or the cable company were as generous in keeping the same rate for roughly 7 years before hiking the price up.
But I hate Micro$$$$oft... Sad thing is that they could probably care less. Looks like I'll be buying more multiplats for my PS3.
I said the same thing. but he really has! Natsu X FairyTail: You have some sort of multi-personality disorder or something going on there. Or maybe your just a critic and are hard to please?
Well, that's it. I was slightly considering going back, just for Halo Reach, but Microsoft is only taking more steps backwards. My $60 will go toward GAMES. Time to sell my 360.
Why doesn't MS offer different levels of Live. Like, if people don't want all these "added features" and simply just want to play multiplayer, then give them an option for a stripped down Gold service for 19.99/year. If people want all these added "features" as well, then give them the 60/year option. MS just exploiting its consumer base, which is never smart, because it always bites them in the ass later on.
Well...I saw this coming eventually, but didn't expect it to be so soon. =\ Edit: Hmmm...I wonder if this could be to gain SOME money back slowly if Kinect doesn't take off like they want it to, even though the article says it's about some "big" updates or w.e...just wondering
Today, it came true. I feel like it's an attemp to scrap every pennies from the hardcore gamers as Microsoft abandons them and jumps ship.
By the way, you can cancel the auto-renewal option via the Xbox 360 website (you can also remove your payment method). You don't have to go through the phone call BS to get out of it. Just an fyi for anyone who is ticked. I did this a few weeks back. Just a coincidence, but glad that I did.
LOL i have no sympathy for sheeps. You all deserve to be raped by M$haft. I'd do the same if my followers were brainless zombies lol.
That's like a free, brand new retail game every year if you have a PS3 instead. That's like getting the following or similar games FREE - Resistance: Fall of Man (2006) Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (2007) Metal Gear Solid 4 (2008) Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009) God of War III or Gran Turismo 5 (2010) If this generation goes like 2-3 more years, instead of paying to play online.. get one of the following FREE each year - Resistance 3 or The Last Guardian or Agent? (2011) Metal Gear Solid 5? or Uncharted 3? (2012) God of War 4? or Gran Turismo 6? or Resistance 4? (2013). Free PSN for me, thanks.
I love gaming on Xbox Live, but the experience isn't worth $60.00 USD, especially when I game online via Steam and PSN for free. These services might not offer quite as much as 360's Xbox Live, but is that difference worth $60.00? No, it's not. In fact, Party chat and checking others gamerscore's and ratings (buy others) isn't close to $60.00 in value. This is simply a bad move by Microsoft. I should also clarify that I am by no means the type to play console favorites. In fact, I game online regularly on Wii, Xbox 360, PS3, PC, Mac, and iPhone. The ONLY one of these to charge me for online play is Xbox 360. What makes their service worth so much more than the others? Last FM? Uh....ya, right. This is just a let down. My yearly subscription is up in September which means I can still get the current pricing, but now i have to ask myself if I really want to support the one - out of ALL the platforms mentioned above - that is plainly nickel and dimeing me.
This is ridiculous. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I paid $40 for mine thankfully. I will continue to bargain. I never buy XBL from official retailers, they are always overpriced. The Xbox is in decline and in turn MS decides to raise the price of LIVE. It's clear that they are banking on Kinect to sell to casuals and for them to subscribe to Gold. This better result in a multitude of new content because XBL isn't justifiable anymore. What I'm really upset about is that the updates for LIVE are geared towards Kinect. I mean, the PS3 has video chat for free, and MS is pushing it as such a big thing when in reality their core gamers want things that enhance the gaming experience. Now, I know things like ESPN are there, but I don't watch sports. I don't video chat. None of the new features interest me the slightest. Some people will be willing to pay, and honestly, if they find value in LIVE then more power to them. I hope they have Youtube support and recording video playback amongst other things like free games. But I doubt it. I really do hope MS has things down the line for XBL, but this has gotten me really pissed off. I just can't afford LIVE and unless I see more features that aren't Kinect-driven I am worried I may not renew my subscription next year. The funny thing is that gamers will pay up, and whatever audience decides to quit paying for LIVE wont matter since MS will make their money back with the ones that will pay. Idk what happened with MS. LIVE is easily their strongest part of the 360 and at the start they really did cater to the core gamer. But I feel Kinect is really taking over and I'm really annoyed with it.
because i just don't think paying to play online is right especially when i can play for free on the 3 other platforms. the upping of this price can not be defended.
If you feel Xbox and XBL are in decline, why are you paying $40/year for it when you can have PSN for free? Take the free path, PSN and enjoy. No one is stopping you. What am I missing? What is the "core" gamer? Someone who buys a dedicated gaming console? Maybe the "core" gamer isn't the majority anymore. I want great games, and a UI that actually makes everythign accessible and useable. Full messaging, easy privacy and exclusion control, easy accessible parental controls, and great arcade games. I don't like FPS' so I guess I'm not "core." I prefer Netflix on Xbox to PS3 and PC. I don't do cable anymore, I do Netflix and OTA HDTV. The latter I record with Media Center via Xbox. I have 22 Blu-Rays but haven't watched on in Ages, Netflix HD baby, wireless with no hiccups over 802.11n. I have no problem with anyone deciding to quit XBL over the price. If it's not worth $5 a month, it's just not worth it. It is for me. I prefer the private service and the community, experience, and content to anything free. Doesn't hurt that it has the games I like to play either. I only wish Wipeout HD were on Xbox.
My ire with MSFT has been on low heat for a few months now, but they just turned up the temperature and I'm steaming. Back in 2007, 2008, even 2009, they coul've justified this. But not now. Not when their throwing the baby out with the bathwater with Kinect. This past year they've repeatedly kicked us, the faithful core who support them, in the nuts over and over. If I wasn't so damn excited for Halo: Reach, Gamestop would have a perfectly good Xbox 360 today, and I'd have a PS3 and Uncharted 2.
***The Xbox is in decline and in turn MS decides to raise the price of LIVE. *** I wouldn't say it is in decline, but revolves around the games that are available. There's definitely a long lull in the last year between the games, though. ***It's clear that they are banking on Kinect to sell to casuals and for them to subscribe to Gold. *** I guess it's possible. But, in my mind, I find it hard to think that those drawn to Kinect will pay for XBL when none of the games are playable online. ***What I'm really upset about is that the updates for LIVE are geared towards Kinect.*** I was under the impression that the new dashboard would be free to all Kinect owners and not part of the XBL subscription? Am I wrong in this assumption? Would definitely help to change my current perspective on the price being charged and how those with Kinect would be 'encouraged' to buy into it. ***Now, I know things like ESPN are there, but I don't watch sports.*** And people say the same with PS+. They don't care about free avatars, themes, and most of the games that are offered for free. I think all services of this sort end up having features that you don't use, but others might. As you said, though, some are interested and are willing to pay, so more power to them. ***The funny thing is that gamers will pay up, and whatever audience decides to quit paying for LIVE wont matter since MS will make their money back with the ones that will pay. *** Is this really any different than any other product out there? CoD games that don't really add anything new year after year? DLC? Each generation of most phones? And so on? ***Idk what happened with MS. LIVE is easily their strongest part of the 360 and at the start they really did cater to the core gamer. But I feel Kinect is really taking over and I'm really annoyed with it. *** I think that XBL is still the best service for the core gamers who game online. I do completely agree that they haven't advanced it past what it has been, though. But, do they need to when gamers are still choosing it over any other console and even PC for online gaming? I think they'll advance it when the gamers start asking for more and talk with their wallets.
Hey alpah, where did you go to play for that $40? I was curious. I'm going to pay for it through the website.
@cgoodno OK cgoodno, I do agree with some of your points. Bubbles for offering an insightful opinion I'm sure having that unpopular opinion is hard to voice. I will reply in detail to u a bit later, but I still think MS needs to start ponying up for their core audience. If Kinect can't do it then XBL is the only real service for the core gamers.
It had nothing to do with the service though, but was a shift away from the 360 in general. After I received my 4th 360 due to hardware failure I simple decided not to throw money at a console I couldn't rely on. I kept it because I had so much invested at that point, and I'm a gamer (love Gears/Halo/Fable) but after being a die hard Xbox fan and then a 360 fan after, Microsoft's decisions around releasing faulty hardware and shipping refurbished, faulty hardware to people who have had problems drove me into the waiting arms of Sony. And it's nice here. Exclusives are great, online is free and media playback capabilities are fantastic. I've never regretted my decision to move away from the 360 as my primary game console, and this pretty much cements that I made the right decision - as if there was ever a doubt. You can't blame Microsoft though. The 360 has struggled and struggled - software revenue is down according to Microsoft, console revenue is non-existent, the 360 has sold 4 million fewer consoles over the last 18 months (according to Microsoft's official data) than the 18 months previous and the only bright spot has always been "An increase in revenue related to the Xbox Live service." Cash in while you still can, Microsoft. God knows a $150 camera to play Wii sports type games isn't going to turn the 360's fortunes around anytime soon.
Well said above. Microsoft are CLEARLY nickel and diming their customers for everything they got. And they've timed it just in time for halo reach and kinect. No other company charges for their online play. But what gets me, are the 360 fans who say, "I'm willing to pay that, it's worth it". No it isn't. No it isn't. Because you're just paying for 2 bells and 1 whistle more. PSN does a perfectly good online experience, for free. But more fool to you for being milked to death. Because you guys are literally bending over, pulling your trousers down, presenting yourself to Microsoft and saying, "please sir, can I have some more?"
I also used to be a hardcore xbox and 360 fan. I bought two copies of halo2 before i had an xbox. I also have two copies of halo3. I didn't buy the ps3 in the beginning because i thought it sucked. Then good games started coming out and at the same time i got pissed about paying for live (and i had to fix rrod myself) so i bought a ps3. I am first a PC gamer (been a pc gamer since 6 years old)so i never understood why i had to pay for live but i just sucked it up. Now the ps3 is my primary console and my ps3 is just sitting there. I was going to buy halo reach and renew my live just to play it but after this news - Forget. I have friends who sore up and down that xbox live was better even though they never used a ps3. 4 of my friends all bought a ps3 slim and they have not gone back to play the 360 due to free online and all the exclusives (one of them is a hardcore MAG player) and they all say it is the same thing. I like the Xbox.....i just feel let down. So many of their decisions were the exact opposite of their previous console. IDK whatever im done with it
As a multi console gamer $60 can do a lot. To own more than one platform means that $60 can get 6 full retail games if you shop right. And I play online maybe once or twice a week for 3 to 4 hours in total so for me paying to play online is just not right. Also I live in Saudi Arabia, so to me the other services that Live offers are worthless and add to that the some content are locked and I can't even buy some expansion packs even if I wanted too.
Considering I never paid more than $40, this increase will probably result in me paying the original $49.99. Obviously, someone's gotta pay ESPN. I'll do that for a year and swee what else comes. I was on PSN yesterday and just can't do it. I'll pay $5/month. But I must admit this is not a good trend. If not for the forthcoming ESPN, I might reconsider. I do want to see more than ESPN for $5/month though. We'll see. I'm allready queued up through Next Year. I'll buy one more 12 month for $40 before November which will take me through 2012. So it'll be 2 years before I pay any increase, hopefully it will still be something I want to keep. Right now Amazon.com has 12 months for $39.94 with free shipping. Oddly, MS has been discounting 12 months memberships for the past several weeks on Live. Also, Amazon.com is $10 cheaper if you buy the card as opposed to just buying the code online. Odd.
inb4 Microsoft announces XboxLive Plus
There's is NOTHING about xbox live that makes it worth a subscription let alone better then psn.. PSN first and foremost is free as you know but you and your 360 bretheren are far too quick to dismiss this fact.. I get to go online and play my games for free with no issues.. THats the most important feature of psn and xbox live but you choose to dismiss this fact and focus on rather unimportant social networking features.. Cross game chat, party feature, last. fm? Wow impressive /s At the end of the day the only advantage that xbox live has over psn is that it has a more seemless feel to it.. Its not a huge difference but it enough that its noticeable.. I actually prefere the in game navigation on ps3. For live you press the guide button and you have to navigate the akward and clunky "blade" menu.. On psn it just opens up the xmb which is so much cleaner and organized. I love the friends list on the psn, everything you need to know is there at a glance you dont have to search... All in all it comes down to personal preference and I think psn is a much better value and has features and design that is already on par with xbl.. Now that microsoft is charging even more for live and the advent of ps+ is making xbl look more like a rip off.. Time will tell if this was a bad decision.. Im sensing they will regret this...
Cross-Com Chat Free Trails on all arcade games Last.FM Hulu+ Early Demos Twitter Facebook Integrated Netflix(no disc required) Xbox Insider ESPN 3 Avatar Games 900 Arcade Games Zune Games on Demand(360 games) Everything listed is what PSN does not provide. You get what you pay for. You people do know that MS has to pay ESPN and Hulu. Why do you think the price went up. It's called deferred payment. They pass it on to the subscribers. When your cable goes up, it's because the network went up on them, so in order to keep the network in the lineup, they must increase the subscription price. This is why Time/Warner Cable doesn't have NFL Network and is losing ESPN in September.
I hope your post was a joke. Did you seriously just list Facebook and Twitter as features XBL has that PSN doesn't? PS3 has had facebook and twitter since day one. It's called an internet browser. Netfix streaming with disc. Oh it's so hard to go pop a disk in the system if I want to stream a movie. You know people have to get up to pop in a DVD or Blu-ray right? Speaking of Blu-ray, a PS3 owner can make use of those with their Netflix plan (I currently get 3 BDs out at a time). How are those HD-DVDs working for you. So your point is moot. I should also note PS3 gets the disk-less Netflix streaming come Oct. PSN does offer Hulu+ 900 Arcade Games <<< Quality of PSN games: Last I checked when you have games like Fat Princess, Wipeout HD (Fury), Flower, Crash Commando, Pixel Junk Shooter (really all the Pixel Junk games) then the whole "we have more games" is moot. Especially when some of the best XBLA games are either already on PSN or on their way to PSN (Braid and Castle Crashers come to mind). Seriously, XBOX Insider? I did a quick google search to see what it is and it says every Sat they have a ep to show to get certain achievements, ect. Sorry but no. PS3 users just the same can use their Internet Browser and hit up either GameFAQs or Youtube to find out about trophy unlocks. If there's any gaming/media news covered by xbox insider then PSN also has that covered with Pulse and Qore. Avatar games << Playstation Home. Plain and simple While Sony offers Vidzone free for European users, no such feature is yet available for US owners. Same with PlayTV. So in all, $50 or $60 isn't worth it for Cross Game Voice Chat (most online games have ingame voice chat and PSN offers 15x4 cross game text chat), voice recorded messages, ect. PSN takes care of more than the basic needs for someone who wants to get online and play games with their friends. Nice try on trying to stack the list though.
is worth every penny in my opinion and ill pay what ever it costs. @natsuxfairytail yes good idea get rid of your xbox and miss out on halo reach, gears 3, fable 3, the new crytek exclusive
and nothing else that`s not Kinect related. I`m gonna keep my 360 just in case something cool comes out but it`s future looks sh!tty as of right now.
I wouldn't mind paying alittle more for XBL but they need to add more perks for the price. For the current features I can't justify paying more for it and kinect ain't cutting it.
and dats problably d only games exclusives available for xbox lol about d topic y xbox owners pay for online gaming when is free pretty much in every other consoles i mean we already pay for internet services and dan they wan us to pay for online gaming too what a rip off for xbox owner so sorry for dem
That is 3 (three! fable will come to pc) xbox-exclusives for the next 12-18 months.
XBL is $59.99 in Canada currently. It`ll be more like $69.99 after this. They had a hard time sell it to me being $59. $69 is a BIGGER no.
Will still be 59.99 About time. We've been at 59 for a while and MOST of the damn XBL prices are still over inflated for Canada compared to the US prices. There is no excuse for regional pricing on virtual goods. Either way, a good wake up call regarding MS business tactics and why it is a good thing to support competition in the form of SONY this generation.
but XBL have best online experience. /S
Canada isn't getting a price hike on yearly though.. only monthly
As I said in the other, for the core 360 users, this really won't be a big thing. If you're able to pay $50/year for the best online gaming experience on a console (proven by the statistics made publicly available), $60 won't be any worse for you. If you're stretching it to pay $50/year that $10 more will be too much, then you shouldn't be spending so much on video games. I'd suggest focusing more on furthering your education and getting a better job (or one at all if you're a teen or college student). With the upcoming ESPN feature, sports enthusiasts will be getting way more than their dollar's worth considering Comcast charges you $20+ a month for lesser features (no commentary/quiz features). This is coming from someone who doesn't currently pay for the service (I just don't play games online), but can definitely see why people pay to play online. This isn't about who's better at what, it's about paying for the costs of the service you provide and how big of a change it is. It really isn't, but people here will make it way more than it really is. As far as people saying this is just a squeeze for money before Halo: Reach and Kinect are released... could be, but wouldn't those also result in higher costs across the board? I just don't think it's as big of a deal as many are making it out to be, and I believe that over time Sony will likely have a PS++ program or similar as more features are added and costs increase. It's how businesses evolve, through relative increase of costs as more services are provided. Even if you don't take advantage of all the features. On XBL it's facebook/twitter/x-game chat/video chat/ESPN and on PS+ it's Qore/exclusive demos/free games/game sales.
I swear I can't stand people that say crap like if you can't afford $50 a year then you shouldn't be gaming. That is such a ridiculous statement. Not everyone plays games 24 hours a day. Some might want to play after work once or twice a week after work. So, I have to pay 60 dollars a year to play maybe twice a week? I don't know about you or these other people that agree with you but most console gamers play on consoles to avoid membership fees, costs of upgrades, and expansions. This has certainly changed over the years. It is quickly becoming too expensive to be a gamer anymore. Sadly, I see myself hanging up my controllers in the next few years due to the constant addtional costs associated with being a gamer.
"On XBL it's facebook/twitter/x-game chat/video chat/ESPN and on PS+ it's Qore/exclusive demos/free games/game sales." You're missing the most important difference...PS3 let's you play online without PSN+....which you can't without LIVE Gold. But like you said, to each is own, if you feel that it's worth it to you then more power to you...I wouln'd pay for LIVE Gold or PSN+ for that matter.
***I swear I can't stand people that say crap like if you can't afford $50 a year then you shouldn't be gaming. That is such a ridiculous statement.*** I didn't say if you can't afford $50 a year you shouldn't be gaming, I said you shouldn't be spending as much doing it when you could be getting yourself into a position where that $10 difference isn't going to be such a big difference on whether you'll subscribe or not. I said if it's such a huge leap from '$50 is perfectly okay' to '$60 is way too much, I can't afford that', you should worry about how you're managing your money then. It's a $10 difference for a yearly subscription. This should not be a situation that becomes the last straw on the camel's back due solely to the increased cost. I'm a 33 year-old guy, married and with a live-in mother-in-law, paying for my in-laws to go to school. I work full time. I'm going back to school full time (14 credit hours this semester). I put 20% of what I earn to a 401k. I pay my mortgage and bills. I play at most 10 hours a week, usually only 2 hours if that. I have a PS+ subscription because I can afford it and I think it's a good deal. If it were to increase to $60, I would still find it a good deal since I have already saved over $80 on games alone. So, this has nothing to do with who has the most time to spend gaming. It's about who is going to be questioning their finances by spending $10 more for a service that they use, frequently or infrequently. ***This has certainly changed over the years. It is quickly becoming too expensive to be a gamer anymore. Sadly, I see myself hanging up my controllers in the next few years due to the constant addtional costs associated with being a gamer.*** It is definitely too expensive if you're a gamer that wants everything right away or needs access to all the neat features or peripherals. It's not impossible to enjoy gaming, though, without spending as much as one would expect. Sure, it's not as fun as being the kid in school who has the latest game on day one, but if I play a good game now or a year from now, it's still going to be a good game. Time doesn't change that.
"pay $50/year for the best online gaming experience on a console (proven by the statistics made publicly available), $60 won't be any worse for you." Man you're a fanboy. I don't know about you but I didn't get my PS3 for PSN or PSN+ I got it for the games. Games ...you remember what those are right?
***Man you're a fanboy. I don't know about you but I didn't get my PS3 for PSN or PSN+ I got it for the games. Games ...you remember what those are right?*** I got my PS3 for many reasons, the primary being games. But, to say that PSN wasn't a reason for my purchase is just a flat out lie considering it's the source for many of my games. And, games, yeah, I remember them. Games like Flower, PixelJunk Monsters, PixelJunk Shooter, Trine, Sam & Max, and tons of other games sold on the PSN store, which requires a PSN account to access. And fanboy? How the heck so? I'm a primarily PS3 gamer who is saying that the hike isn't that huge of a deal to those who already use and enjoy the service. A service provided on the 360.
and i can afford to pay for live, but i won't. it's the principal of it. i just can't see myself paying for a service that would charge me to play online, and use apps that i find useless btw; when those same apps can be used on my phone, pc, and laptop. shit you can use these apps on TVs for free. it boggles my mind how my fellow americans can believe that paying for something that is free is ok. but then again we can be manipulated by the media and easily distracted by reality programming on our tvs.