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Microsoft replacing memory with new 90nm chips

Microsoft has teamed up with Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company to produce new memory chips that cut down on the amount of power used by the system and "reduces the soft error rate".

According to TSNC, the new 90nm chips have been in production since the first quarter of 2006 and says that they have started implementing them on Xbox 360 systems recently.

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Greysturm3445d ago

But this is the reason that people keep suspecting that microsoft is still not making a profit for every 360 sold by constantly changing components and suppliers they do not allow for the producion price to lower but well who knows maybee this are cheaper...

jay33445d ago

But what i do know is, technology is amazing.

I have no idea how those chips work, and to think, most people working in the industry understand them completely. I personally think it's incredible.

mighty_douche3445d ago

i woulda thought its because they are cheaper for microsoft, maybe the original hardware could have be responceable for some of the red ring of death?

still it cant be a good thing that they keep changing their hardware/producers, shows microsoft has no confidence in them which makes it hard for people to have confidence in their product!

tudors3445d ago

"1.1 - Maybe..
But what i do know is, technology is amazing.

I have no idea how those chips work, and to think, most people working in the industry understand them completely. I personally think it's incredible."

You may have meant it to sound funny but it made me chuckle.

jay33445d ago

In that case...

Yes, i was meaning to be funny.

:D

BIadestarX3445d ago

That's something people werent expecting... or even talk about. Obviously it will reduce the amount power they use... and less power = less heat. We are always hearing... CPU or GPU 65nm.. but no one talks about other components in the box.. such as this one... memory... important too...

"still it cant be a good thing that they keep changing their hardware/producers, shows microsoft has no confidence in them which makes it hard for people to have confidence in their product" actually you can't even more wrong even if you try.... You would probably fall from a chair if you saw the first prototype of the xbox 360 back in 2003... It's the nature of today's electronics for parts to get cheaper and smaller... heck... Microsoft may not even have a choice since the manufacturers of these compontents are always improving each compontent in order to reduce cost of production, adapt components to newer assembly lines as they start pushing new components...
as long as each of these components maintain the same specifications, such as bandwidth, etc... why would this be a problem.
This is not something done only by microft but by Sony and Nintendo... how many times Sony revised the PSP hardware? Note: I am not talking about slim PSP... I am talking about internal component... not many people know about this unless they are into homebrew, etc.. since these are not things that companies usually announce... consumer can careless...

This is how Microsoft and other companies are able to do price reductions... this is how products improve over time...

Another thing I would like to point out.. is.. no matter how Sony fanboys try to spin this as bad news... this only proves that Microsoft is really trying to solve the RROD and it's probably a non-issue... the end user only see... xbox 360 cheaper than before... but under the hood... all sort of newer components...
I don't think there is a way to try to turn... Microsoft save money, xbox 360 improved hardware... consumer is able to get a price drop as bad news... just leave it alone.

mighty_douche3445d ago (Edited 3445d ago )

i realise that electronic companies change parts for several reasons! but any xbox sold next year is gonna have near enough completely different hardware to a day 1 xbox! generally its all down to cutting costs and i very very much doubt that this saving will be passed on to the customer!

of course MS are trying to resolve the RROD, they are suppossed to be an industry leader and the xbox in general has been a joke, maybe they should stick to what they know, SOFTWARE! and before you all go mental and call me a ps3 fan boy, i have an xbox!

Kleptic3445d ago

agreed...MS will not admit to what exactly is causing the RROD issues...or now, the issues where people's 360's are crashing, but with no red rings showing...and the amount of hardware being changed inside of that thing points to what a lot of people won't admit...

It is getting to the point where the launch 360 was undeniably a public hardware beta...I have no idea what else to call it...one of the biggest class action suits in the industry history was because of this thing...and there are constant reports of things being changed, 90nm this 65nm that, new circuit board materials, new cooling systems, new drive, cooler running HDDs,...it doesn't end...this is not a matter of "improving" the product...they are still working kinks out to get an acceptable product...Sony and Nintendo are also making changes, but at no where near the scale of MS...and not because the failure rate continues to eat up around a 1/4 of the installed base...

I am not being a Sony or Nintendo fanboy...I am being an informed consumer...Most of you bought your 360's before all these issues were well known...and there are some really great games out/coming to the 360...I am dying to play Bioshock...but simply will not purchase a 360 until MS's public beta is over, they take a few months to make the adjustments...and go gold...

LOFT3163445d ago

if this chip cuts dowm on the amount of power the 360 use's how about somthing that will cut out that god awful noise it makes

BenzMoney3445d ago

...most of that noise is the dvd drive.

BenzMoney3445d ago

Moving to smaller wavelength lithography will decrease chip size, increase efficiency (both in raw materials and power consumption) and increase the reliability of the components due to less heat stress and hence mean-time-before-failure, MTBF.

Believe it or not, MTBF is an engineered value.

Additionally, in direct response to comment #1, it is the fact that MS is changing components that actually allows them to reduce costs and then pass on savings to the consumer. Moving to a 90nm memory chip (and a 65nm cpu) actually reduces production costs - less raw materials, less heat and therefore less need for sophisticated cooling systems, etc.

As a side note, I wonder what some of these "soft errors" mentioned in the article related to memory are -- console freezes, perhaps? My brother-in-law has problems with his 360 freezing on him repeatedly even after it's only been on for a minute or two (much too fast for heat to have become a significant issue).

Either way, it's nice to know they're improving things. The 360 is such a great console, despite its flaws, that if they work out all the issues I'm probably going to have to pick up a second one in the coming months. New console with HDMI, 65nm CPU, 90nm memory @ $350? Sold.

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