As detectives in Puyallup, Washington investigate the rape and murder of 16-year-old Kimberly Daily by 18-year-old Tyler Savage, the role of video games as a catalyst for teens to commit violent crimes is once again called into question.
Kim vergil on the Cover of the magazine smh Not a good look for Montreal. The game dint really make those guys kill. They were already effed up in the head and Instead of tryna figure out what is the real problem they blame it on the games.
Court: "Since our investigators where to fuc*ing stupid, and found absolutely no reason for the murder, we have decided that this act was from influence of video games."
let alone he didn't even play a "VIDEO GAME", isn't D&D a board game with created characters. So where the f*ck is Board Games make kids kill other people.
so all gamers must b rapist scumm... wtf this aint news its fucken bullshit
Yes, Dungeons & Dragons is originally a board game, but the person you're talking about was playing the game "Dungeons & Dragons Online". That IS a videogame.
and realized i wanted to go on a killing spree. this news channel should be banned for making me want to hurt other ppl. it corrupted my youthful mind. My reason to do so makes sense right?
lol don't i feel stupid, i went back and looked at the article, says dungeon & dragons "online", i must of missed that, i don't know anyone who plays that one online, i do have friends though who are majorly into d&d, so when i hear d&d, i think the board game. My bad.
My favorite one was some guy was high and drunk off his ass and killed someone. The Pigs decided that that had no effect on him at all and instead it was GTA4 that made him kill Just as a side note I remember them blame the old D&D pen and paper game for killings back in the 80's
Blaming this on video games is about as reasonable as claiming a black person who shot someone did it because they are black. 12% of americans are Black, and I wouldn't be surprised if at least 12% of Americans play or have played violent video games at some point in their life. These reports are just ignorant.
"Although Savage reported playing Dungeons and Dragons Online (DDO) after the [rape and] murder, the courts are investigating the game’s possible involvement in influencing Savage commit the heinous act" I forgot that D&Ds had rape in it. /s
Hollywood movies and Disney and music industry!! gaming will be the least to affect people to go and kill!! i dont say it doesnt but it is the least!! am sure there is 1000 homicide that the killer were affected by movies or music!!
I just got finished playing LittleBigPlanet! >=O time for me to go kill someone because i customized wrong! /s I seriously don't see how D&DO can make someone want to kill...-_-
A bank was robbed yesterday by someone who also likes to cook. Therefore, cooking influenced this man to rob banks.
It's unfortunate that news stories and investigators want to peg all these killings on videogames. Videogames are such an easy scapegoat. It's the simplest possible form of motive for them to talk about, and parents eat it right up. Sad but true :\ If only an article focused on the actual reasons, like you said: inherent mental illness.
people stop trying to find out the real psychological reason for it. its like when the cops just book the closest suspect to close the case. some cops say it justifies the means since it closes the case, gives closure to the victims relatives and puts a very likely person in jail. however, if you are wrong, the killer remains loose. the same applies here, except instead of a killer, its the actual truth behind the murder, which in cause means they never get to the bottom of the case, and thus the poor girl never gets real justice. sad. sometimes I wish the worst for people who conjure up this crap, and that isn't helping, but I can't help it. it disgusts me. (not the fact that they blame videogames, thats petty, but that they just blame a common scapegoat and don't delve into the truth due to lazyness/stupidity/agenda)
The Police want to close cases regardless if they have the right guy or not. as long as they arrest someone...anyone for the crime they are happy and look like they are doing their job. I am not saying that it always happens this way, but, why would they interrogate someone for 12-16 hours just to get a confession for a case that has very little circumstantial evidence to convict anyone?
Video games have never killered anyone in the history of mankind. I would pay good money tho to see my UC2 disc jump out of the ps3 and go on a killing spree I bet that be the funniest thing ever.
WTF is "Video Game Killer" ? do they kill video games? O_O "Although Savage reported playing Dungeons and Dragons Online (DDO) after the murder, the courts are investigating the game’s possible involvement in influencing Savage commit the heinous act" so the game influenced him before he even played it? o_O
He also had a glass of milk and a cheese sandwich just before the killing, so the milk and sandwich must have cause him to murder. How f*cking stupid is that? Yet the courts are using this exact same logic. Makes you feel safe knowing these people working for the courts are very intelligent and competent proffesionals hey?
the kid didnt even blame it on the game he said he just played it after to relax that crazy little piece of sh** is just F***ed. if he said he when home and watched oprah to chill and cope would that make oprah a killer
Blame the people that did, Blame the parents that raised them, but any thing else is stupid. Video games, music, or movies, will not turn someone into an evil killer.
Video Games Don't Kill People, Crazy People Kill People.... stupid VG demonisation is stupid.
Hang on. So we're meant to be shocked a violemnt 18 yr old male plays violent games? Most 18 year olds play violent games and if you afre already given towards violennce yourself then of course you will play violent games too. I'll also bet most of these offenders ate a burger on one of the preceding das to their offence-can we blame McDonalds too, then? It's like beuing shocked to find out rapists also masturbate! Like games one is a fantasy/activity that harms no one while the offence is real and does. The fact that as low a percentage of the whole population commit offences as the percentage of gamers committing them shows any link is incidental and not causal. Sdon't , for God's damn sake, look for a REAL reason like previous abuse or mental issues will you? Porn does not make rapists and violent games do NOT make offenders either. That porn APPEALS to rapists(and in many cases may actually help cut down rapes as a release which makes me think games might do the same by giving people their "fix" of violence)and violent games to violent people is no shock and shouldn't be seen as a surprise OR as a catalyst for their behaviour which would find it's way to the surface anyway. te books, films and games these people read, watch and play may be violent but that's what they're interested in and if they didn't spend mopre time gaming etc maybe MORE acts would be committed, no? The mental issue is already there and the worst a game can do, imho, is possibly give offenders ideas about how to make their offences "cooler" to others or to be used ion court as a sentencing day excuse. the news should be more clever about it's reporting of this stuff as it's lazy, ignores proper reasons for violent behaviour and seems like sticking it to the new media in town like they did to Rock, Punk, film and literature before hand. I guess rape and violence never happened before TV, games, films or the printing press, eh? Of course it did because there are ALWAYS fecked up peeps around the woreld ready to do this kind of crap. JEEEEZUS! EDIT:tht it's D&D makes it all the more daft, doesn't it? What corrupted him? Too much power being DM? Gimme a sodding break.
Damn do i really want to have kids growing up in this world, and WTF how does D&D make you want to kill someone, the world has really gone crazy.
not crazy just more stupid
unfortunetly things like religon and freedom have killed way more people long before videogames
Some people may think your joking, but yeah unfortunately, your right.
yeah, religion has done more damage than video games go ban that!
You're using the same exact line of thinking that these dumb asses are. Religion and [our apparent right to] freedom in and of themselves don't do anything. It's psychotic, simple-minded human beings that take and twist ideas to the utmost extreme and follow it through with detestable acts that cause unwarranted pain, suffering, and death.
its psychotic or simple minded people that twist ideas, i think its intelligent people that twist those ideas into simple minded poeple to turn them into psychotic human beings for their benefit.
people need to think before they call video game a bad thing, sometimes video games change things that you dont even know it its not the video game who makes you to kill, its the person who thing that its good to kill, such as criminals. i haven been playing video games since i was 8 and why havent i killed anyone? it all depends who you are
All videogames should be banned!
go uck urself bro
I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm from his part. I highly doubt that someone who's active on N4G, a gaming news site, actually wants games to be banned.
You might be surprised, though I believe he is being sarcastic. I'm just saying. There are trolls of all kinds out there.
Where in D&D is there a "rape and kill a retarded girl" quest? How can anyone with any brains entertain idiotic notions like this? This F should be put down like Old Yeller, I really couldn't give 2 shits why he did it. As a society we must cleanse ourselves of people like Tyler Savage. Eliminate them and make them all an "unperson" like they did in the book 1984. Don't study them, don't give them a forum or a chance to be an inspiration to others. Erase their names from both the world and history.
So if he watched TV instead of play D&D would they have blamed television? Everyone wants to find a justification and reason for senseless acts of violence like this because no one wants to believe that there are just evil, disturbed "people" out there. He raped and killed her not D&D or any other factor, so blame him not a game.
People are always trying to find a reason why it is someone else's fault why a person killed someone or committed some other heinous act. from blaming the wrongdoers Parents to blaming something as nebulous as "society" no one is considered responsible in a world where everyone feels they have a right to do whatever they want...without repercussions.
Video games dont kill, Stupid People Kill
You know There are times when I think people and the media can't possibly get any more stupid and ignorant But then it happens, again.
and again, and again... The media hates when people who like to have fun, also like to kill people. They always blame whatever that person did for fun. When did the world start trying to figure out why people kill instead of punishing those who killed without question? This guy raped and killed someone - that should be the only thing we ever know about his stupid pathetic being. I don't care what games he played, what books he read, what he ate etc. He killed someone. Throw him on death row, and kill him back.
And what? Show the world that we deal with OUR problems with MORE violence? So we kill the offender and later find he didn't do it and we all have blood on our hands? So we never learn from offenders exactly what triggered them and how to prevent future crimes? Yeah, as well as the death sentence NEVER having worked as a deterrent we'll go down the same destructive route and prove society no better than the criminals shall we? Don't even give me the pseudo Christian "eye for an eye" spiel as the good book also preaches forgiveness doesn't it? More joy in Heaven for a repenting sinner and all that? No, I agree these people need punishing but to kill them, to me, makes no logical sense-we'd be throwing away every chance we had of understanding how these things really happen and dooming history to go on and on repeating itself. Anyhow, until the legal system is perfect I fail to see how we can even think about death penalties-the fact they still exist in supposedly civilised nations is a massive embarrassment. The ONLY good that can come out of these things is hope of stopping other offenders in the future, isn't it? The other point is that by killing someone you also release them from any guilt as I'#d much rather be killed than live a full life knowing how the world hates me with no freedom to speak of etc-and if the court was wrong it gives the chance to make amends. Life should mean life in jail, though, for all crimes of this level.
good lawd that news lady is smokin wait what were we talkin about again?
these people really gotta stop blaming the games -_-" its not the video games fault that some kids are freakin retarted. lol
Not that you read the article or knew about the incident itself - but the victim in this case was a retard. Not your definition, but the real developmentally disabled "retard". Have some class. Following that up with a "lol" in a thread about murder just tops it off. I'll agree with the first part of your comment, but it just bugs me when people have no inclination to think before they type. Sad story.
My brother is autistic, and took no offense to that comment by luke201. The lol wasnt about murder either, if he said "omg he raped and killed a retard lol" then your comment would be warranted. relax
well written article, bravo for the writer.
What a sicko must have mental probs himself i was a teenager in the eighties they blamed heavy metal for everything now games these people are allready pre disposed to violence and mental illness. Lawnmowers dont kill people ,people kill people damian take that scalpel out of ur leg ,yes mum. Humans are lower than rats we are the worst animal on the planet.
What a joke. Theres billions of gamers in the world and because some asshat kills and rapes a girl they are going to try and pin it on video games. What a waste of taxpayers money for the ridiculous detectives to chase someoff the wall story like the game made me do it. The guys a killer, put a bullit in his head and get it over with, forget spending a million dollars on trying him and putting him in jail for life. Get a 50 cent bullit and end it for him. Hell give me the gun i'll do it for you.
Are the people that went crazy over fox over their video game coverage in the past going to do the same to MSNBC when they do it like in that picture?
I see this was msnbc. ok, you win UP. apparently msnbc IS capable of stooping to the same lows as FOX. ...well at least there's still Stewart & Colbert. at least they can't claim to take themselves too seriously, even if they also seem to be pro-Dem biased.
It couldn't possibly be the result of bad parenting./s
Wth..this is like saying "after I killed her, I went home and sat on my couch". Are people going to blame the fking couch for the murder? Seriously. Some people need to wake up. Sometimes, it really does seem as if people act like the community in South Park....
how video game violence differs from violence on tv in the news, shows or in movies confuses me. yeah, so you get to control the video game but if you suddenly decide you actually want to kill someone, you had issues before playing the video game. the public and media love easy scape goats.
After playing RDR I felt like being a bounty hunter...and of corse while playing MGS4 I wanted to sneak in to places...and then halo 3 made me wanna make cardboard spartin mk VI armor....but this all is nothing compared to playing rapelay and turning in to a sex monster who forces violent sex upon my wife the good news is that this is all a joke but the damn media seems to think I am a cardboard armor wearing wife raping bounty hunter who sneaks in to places
Now if you're sneaking into your wife, and she is also wearing cardboard armor, and she consents to have sex with you, you just knocked out pretty much all the problems. No rape, no breaking-and-entering, and a little role-play in the bedroom is perfectly fine. On Topic: Ditto to what everyone else said. The murderer is messed up, and needs to pay. And D&D had nothing to do with it, as we all know.
years of playing Crash Bandicoot have trained me to accurately jump any chasms I encounter in roads so there you go. Games can save lives too.
there are chasms across your roads? Where do you live lol.
it really sucks here.
It's much easier for an expert to lay blame at the feet of a type of media. Video games are now more and more making the motive for why it occured. The truth is that these "experts" simply do not know. Yet, they're brought onto television ans asked what the cause was. So, to save face they claim it was video games that caused this person to do what this person did. The field of pychology is not an exact science. Well, parts of it aren't, anyways. It is very hard to figure out the pyschological state of a person like this. So, instead of doing that. You get Dr. Phil on MSNBC spewing about that it was a copy of Halo or whatever game it may be that causes such a terrible crime to occur. It's nothing more than a scapegoat for lazy men/women to use. Do I believe that there are people who can't discern reality from their video games? Yes, I do. Of course they're aren't very many of them. Which is good.
What these ignorant people need to understand is that there is millions of people only in the usa that play violent videogames. If the ones exposed in the media represent 10% of killers who play violent videogames that means that gamers are below the average number of kills pro person. The other thing they dont get is that these people are shut ins with problems so they stay at home and play games. Those people dont have problems because they play games they play games all day because they have problems. I think society is still fond of the friendly nerd stereotype.
A lot of gamers are dickheads though. I was playing Uncharted 2 tonight and a Japanese guy was getting ripped on because he had JAP as his clan name. Then everytime someone used a RPG or situal awarness they were called a faggot. A lot of gamers are anti social and disturbed and need a lot of medical help. I could see how these things could turn into killers.
oh yeah I can see it now the video game got up by itself and kill someone must be that missing video game I have in my collection. s/ Seriously though people kill people nothing else.
why do people don't check what their kids are playing or watching i mean they make the the games or the TV in general their babysitter then blame it come on people sit with your kids teach them the right from wrong don't leave them then blame them and others for their misbehavior
The only time videogames have ever killed anyone is when I beat my ex girlfriend to death with my SEGA Dreamcast. I then felt a ton of remorse . . . because I had broken my SEGA Dreamcast.
I feel very sorry for the girl but are we serious on this one? After the crime happened we want to look into the game he was playing. GTFO! Look into the fact that he's a sick f%ck. Study his behavior get what ever scientific use you can out of him then squeeze his head till it pops!
I'm sick of these mental defectives trying to get away with murder by using video games as a scapegoat. It's been said before but I'll say it again, any sane person does not play a video game and then suddenly decides to kill someone, that's what insane people do. If they kill someone, they were predisposed to do so. God forbid it be that simple though. The police check his PS3 trophies and find a game called Killzone, then they run with the story. "Prior to killing the victim, the perpetrator was playing a game called Kill Zone, a game where you bound and gag women, hang them from meat hooks and shoot them until dead. Needless to say, if not for Kill Zone, the victims house would not have become a kill zone." Is it sad that I could see that happening? Yeah they'll apologize and post a retraction later, but the damage would have been done. Video games don't kill people, people kill people.
This is getting ridiculous. Video games don't make killers, it's the society itself that makes them. People in his school probably treated him like crap, he got mad, hated them until one day he decided to kill them so he could put an end to all his misery. The video game may have triggered it, but it was all bound to happen anyway.