In the first of a two part series, pnosker.com covers five reasons that Microsoft's upcoming motion controller will succeed when it releases later this year.
"4. Current Xbox 360 users could use something different"....probably true but do they want something as different as this because of its being used for casual games
will not and i repeat will not touch my 360.
than that overpriced wii upgraded flown under the sony propaganda flag of "MOVE"
and yet its used for actual core games which is what M$ should have been thinking of when they decided to drop this on people who seems to be easily manipulated by media and PR crap speak.
"1.Excellent support both at launch and in the future." That's a joke right? 15 lame launch games: nothing but fitness, dance, and Wii-party games. Even when or if its eventually incorporated into a core game, it'll be on-rails experience....Oh joy! "2.The Kinect and 360 make the Best Console/Controller Combination." E3, Gamescom, the gaming press, and core gamers seem to differ with you and praise the Move as the best motion controller. "3.The Kinect price is actually competitive for people buying a new console." Just wait till the Wii drops to $150. Kinect could be in real trouble since it really has no appeal to core gamers and the Wii will be much cheaper. "4. Current Xbox 360 users could use something different." Really, that's a reason? Geeze, then upgrade your PC or buy a PS3. Do something that actually plays good games. "5. Less wires=More Exposure, More Stupidity, and More fun." What, one less wire than the Wii? The Wiimote is wireless and only the Nunchuk is wired. With the Move, both handheld units are wireless. Pretty lame reasons all around.
1. It means support from developers and yes there is good support for Kinect. No argument needs to be made there.If you don't like the games that's one thing but there are lots of publishers/developers supporting it. 2. Too early to tell. Either the Move or Kinect really has impressive software at this point in time. Sorcery looks cool and so does Child of Eden but beyond that there really isn't anything to suggest a must have right now. Other games like Socom 4 just have Move support and are not entirely made just for Move. 3. Doesn't that also hurt the Playstation 3 combo or do you just save your pessimism for the XBOX 360? 4. So the XBOX 360 doesn't currently have good games? That's odd considering most of the Playstation 3 games are also on the XBOX 360. Not everyone wants two platforms but many may want to add to their existing one. 5. I think it means games like Dance Central where you can enjoy gaming without any controllers.
LevelHead, act your name. Excellent support should mean support in the form of excellence. But if you're cool with excellent support meaning support instead that's on you. The Kinect has shown itself to be a HORRIBLE combination with the 360. All of the games have noticeable lag. All of the games have trouble recognizing the player at one point or another. It isn't too early to see this. The price is not competitive with the casual market's other offering. The Kinect costs $150 dollars on its own. That is $50 less than the Wii console. Current Xbox360 owners may want something different. But I am pretty sure that the large majority did not ask for the Kinect nor are they impressed by what it does. Notice how I didn't say "what it can be in the future"? The future could have personal mini-jets and floating cities. But I wouldn't put a down payment on those properties just yet. Fewer wires is hardly a reason for something to succeed. Ask a competitive gamer if they want to lose their wires. I don't care if the game is a RTS, MMORPG, fighting game, or FPS. They want wires. But for the most part, if you can eliminate wires while maintaining function people will be happy. But the key phrase there is "maintaining function" and as we all know, the Kinect does not do it well. You may also notice, LevelHead, that I did not mention the Move in anything I said. Since this is a Kinect topic we should keep to it. Bringing the Move into Kinect doesn't do much in the way of validating the Kinect.
1. Excellent support isn't fitness, dance, and Wii-party games. Where are the core games? Why does everything look like the same thing the Wii has already done. 2. "Too early to tell". Like everyone who has had hands on experience (or hands off in Kinect's case) can't see the difference. And, what's your point about Move support being added to games. Isn't that a big plus that existing games are being made to support it? Kinect, not having that ability, is a major minus to me because the launch games are pathetic. 3. Sony is aiming for its core audience first, to get a following and market for the Move and to get casuals later. Price cut on the Wii will not have as much of an effect on the Move since Kinect and Wii are going for the same casual crowd. 4. I didn't say 360 didn't have any good games, you just inferred that. The author stated that maybe, if 360 owners were bored of core games, then Kinect is for them. I just think there's better way to spend your money. Upgrade your PC or get a PS3 and experience some good games unavailable on the 360. 5. The author was the one who made a big deal about less wires and I mentioned the Wii uses only one and Move is completely wireless. Still, pretty lame reasons why the Kinect will succeed.
1. Justin 2. Bieber 3. Kiddy 4. Fan 5. Base LoL
Sadly this is true. Microsoft have hit the nail on the head with there advertising get Justin Bieber. His fan base is large and easily influenced. Its just a shame that the core fan base suffer. I know reach and gears are coming out soon but it feels Microsoft have lost their way and are ignoring their main fan base.......Other than Justin Bieber its Hannah Montana (who btw I can not stand since she went on the Jonathan Ross show- she is such a cocky little brat)
And how many people own a wii? I see that you always jumping all over wii. Looks to me wii is kicking the crud out of both MS and sony, If they weren't we wouldn't have kinect or move. So whats your point, just because your a super gamer that knows everything people should like, tell me why wii is doing so much better? if it's all shovel ware and crap then why is it selling so good. the games on the system sell better to, so don't tell me people are not interested in the games. love these comments that are from the so called real gamers, you don't have a clue about buisness and how to cater to all your customers. Wii is 30 MILLION UNITS AHEAD OF XBOX AND 35 MILLION AHEAD OF PS3. So I think catering to both the hardcore and the casual is pretty damn smart. What do you think? 30 million more units. lets put it this way. would you love to have 30 million dollars, h3ll 1 million, even 1000 bucks would make your day or week. So why is the casual so dull if they can tap into a market that is still pounding away sales at a high price point for the system it's on. You don't think if the system sells a ton load more you won't see more hardcore support? you will and it will help the industry to push to both sides of the market. you don't think after MS drops this no controller needed effort they won't incorperate the controller and kinect. they know people love the future products and will advertise it as such. once the first wave of games hits then things will get better. just like any new gameing console. how many games did sony release it's first year or so. not to many but look at them now floating them out non-stop. SO chill out, this article is why it will sell well. Not why A hardcore gamer hates anything not hardcore. seems to me hardcore is just half the market. sony and ms know this and will cater to both from now on. Peace be with you.
As a Xbox 360 owner, I am not excited for Kinect in the slightest way. Like it or not it will succeed though. So many people are excited for Kinect and some don't even know what it actually is. I heard some guy talking about how you will be using Kinect to control every aspect of Call of Duty, from knifing to blowing people's heads off. In reality it will be mostly for shovelware with a few gimmick applications in regular games. If you like fitness or dance games Kinect seems to work best for them.
It will succeed during the first three months. After that...
i mean, it's going to sell well during the Christmas season sure but it's what it does after the season ends that many in the industry are looking at. in feb-april or sep'10-nov'10 will it relatively keep and improve the pace set at launch or will sales decline rapidly?
agreed. first three months mayhem, following months lethargy and death
The reasons I see it succeeding are positive press from main stream media, its different from the Wii, huge marketing campaign, great value bundle, 3rd party support (publishers willing to make full games exclusive to Kinect) and Dance Central. @dontletmegetme Same thing was said about the Wii, look what happened there.
The majority of people that wish to buy Kinect are parents because of Kinectimals. Thus, I consider Nickelodeon advertising to be essential for MS.
Dance Central is for little girls and their Mums, so why would you care? HIT IT! Show me what you've got!
@Den_uk Sure just moms and girls. people love to dance, you ever hear of a club, you know where all the hot girls go. I can't count how many times i got laid because I can dance. I dj at night clubs on the side and believe me, people love to dance. there is million dollar establishments all over dedicated to just that. so you don't think guys might try to get there grove on at home, rather then look like a fool when dancing next to me. this just proves to me that you have no clue what your talking about.
great value?! Im sorry anyone stupid enough to get the Kinect for 150 has too much money laying around. I would get this only if they show more games that look to innovate. Dance Central and Child of Eden are to only interesting games. At least there not doing Halo Reach, Gears 3, Fable 3 and other games adding Kinect compatibility which is stupid part on Sonys behalf. I mean I want Killzone 3, I want Socom 4 and others but adding Move to those seems to dumb down the AI alot. Saw a video where your using the move in Socom and the AI just sits there and until you kill about you leave about 2 left then they start shooting back.
Positive press from msm/marketing campaign = same thing, MS can basically pay off msm, unfortunately independent journalists can have a less assailable integrity or may be too partisan to be swayed. Great value is debatable, the cost is not exorbitant, but it's also not cheap by any standards, given the present line-up of game offerings, it cannot be reasoned to be a worthwhile invest for anyone who is over 12 basically. Thus far there really has been much information on third party support, certainly not as compared with move which has a control system that can easily be integrated into multiplat games that don't even use motion controls on other platforms. Still further, there really isn't anything that Kinnect can do that move can't either approximate or do better, so why would third parties make a lot of exclusives for it?
it needs variety though Omega4. lets compare lists. i'll provide the games for MOVE and you provide the list for Kinect: REAL GAMES SOCOM 4: U.S. Navy SEALs (Fall 2010) The Fight: Lights Out (Oct. 2010) Heavy Rain (Oct. 2010) Little Big Planet 2 (Nov. 2010) Sly Collection (Nov. 2010) Heroes On The Move (Working Title) (2011) Killzone 3 (2011) Sorcery (2011) echochrome ii (Sept. 2010) Hustle Kings (Oct. 2010) The Lord of the Rings: Aragorn’s Quest – WB Games (Sept 2010) Resident EviL 5 Gold Edition – Capcom (Sept 2010) RUSE – Ubisoft (Sept 2010) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2010 – EA (Sept 2010) Time Crisis: Razing Storm – Bandai Namco (Sept 2010) NBA 2K11 – 2K Sports (Oct 2010) Disney Tron Evolution the Video Game – Disney (Nov 2010) Toy Story 3 – Disney (Sept 2010) PARTY GAMES Beat Sketcher (Fall 2010) EyePet (Sept. 2010) Kung Fu Rider (Sept. 2010) Sports Champions (Sept. 2010) Start The Party! (Sept. 2010) Tumble (Sept. 2010) The Shoot (Oct. 2010) TV Superstars (Oct. 2010) High Velocity Bowling (Oct. 2010) PAIN (Oct. 2010) SingStar Dance (Nov. 2010) John Daly’s ProStroke Golf – OG International (Fall 2010) Racquet Sports – Ubisoft (Fall 2010) Brunswick Pro Bowling – Crave (Sept 2010) Kung Fu Live – Virtual Air Guitar Company (Oct 2010) Deadliest Catch: Sea of Chaos – Crave (Nov 2010)
Optimism is always nice. I'm hoping for the best, but the thing is too expensive... :/
It'll succeed sells-wise, but when it comes to pleasing the gamers (even the casuals), I say it'll fail.
It really frightens me that this could be the future of gaming, where it not about the game or tech, but the marketing and celebrities behind it. This could possibly be great but seems like more time was spent on marketing then development. Hopefully Microsoft wont make this a habit and release something great next time.
Kinect will fail as well as xbox 3fixme.
yeah well... that fail might become success if kinect has a failure rate of 99.9% in sales that is...
So who,.. from you guys is getting this, on launch ? emm,.. My thoughts exactly ,.. It may have some cool implementations ,.. but not at the moment,.. Someone bookmark this ,.. Kinect will fail so badly,.. Ant this is not me being a fanboy ,.. but no rational gamer will buy this,.. unles he has 4-6 years old kids,..
I have kids that young and I consider myself a rational gamer and still wont buy Kinect. I do however plan on buying Move for them and also for myself. Kinect has a lot of potential though but because MS is rushing it out they arent going to be fully utilizing it for awhile. Depending no how long it takes them though Kinect could fail.
Kinect...ah yes the add-on that everybody says has so much potential and possibilities, yet speaking honestly there has been little to none of these brilliant implementations shown. I like to be a little more rational...and for a device that has been in development for several years and a lot riding on it's success I can only logically conclude that what has been shown thus far is pretty much what we'll get. Kinect is a peripheral which has very few advantages over a similar device launched on the PS2 a decade ago called the EyeToy, and one which in the end will baffle consumers and alienate the xbox360's long time gaming audience.
As a Ps3 and 360 owner I've gotta say Move will be worth trying simply because it's a sensible price, although it's gonna need a game that's really worth playing for me to spend the cash. As for Kinect, it just doesn't excite me, I can't see it selling the units it'll need to to attract the developers that actually might be able to squeeze a worthwhile game out of it.
I dont really need to read this article to know that kinect will succeed. I mean alot of casuals will eat this up. I'm pretty sure if I were still a kid around ages 5-13 I'd want kinect too.
I'll take: future products that will have an insane amount of marketing for 500 :D.
It will succeed beacause of the target audience. I was in gamestop the other day using a giftcard I had saved up and there were three 8-12 year old kids in front of me asking when it was coming out. Theyre not aiming at the older crowd, its for the casual games that have made the wii such a success.
Haha this is gonna be funny when people think they can play call of duty or halo or even gears with kinect and when they get home and see they can't they're gonna be so mad :@
a hell of an expensive way for those, not in the know, to find out just what Kinect doesn't / wont / can't do ,when this thing releases in November.
They are aiming straight for Nintendo's market of Casual gamers. We're talking about people that are playing Wii Sports, Carnival Games, and Wii Fit. I dont think any of them would want to purchase a whole new console for casual games. Then there are those who have Xbox360's already, getting their frag time cut off, so that their little sister can jack off a tiger.
And why Sony is doing it right. They have a wider audience already and Move is appealing to not only casuals, but the hardcore as well.
This is the part that caught my eye: The fact that Kinect is offering a similar, and arguably better, technology to gamers while supporting a more robust games library will give it an edge over the Wii, and the fact that it is has a better price than the Move on a slightly less powerful console will tilt the scales in favor of Microsoft come November. How is Kinect offering a more robust gaming library?is the PS3 less powerful than the 360?
They made the "robust games library" thing up. It's common with wannabe gaming journalists these days. They say what they want without fear of challenge because, and let's be serious here, no one really cares.
For me personally I wont buy it with the current lineup they have showcased. The only game I seen that looks interesting is the ubisoft fighting game. With the way MS advertises their products its almost a guaranteed success for kinect but the real question is, for how long? Or will it work with hardcore games? It is yet to be seen but ill give kinect the time to showcase or it can deliver games us hardcore gamers want. If it can then ill jump on board if not then ill pass. To be continued....
Kinect = fiasco
I was interested in hearing reasons (for a change) why Kinect might succeed, but this article just left me scratching my head. Excellent support: Really? I see a handful of games already available on the Wii, and no support at all for previously released games and only a couple of titles on the horizon. This whole paragraph just talks about how the XBox camera failed and doesn't explain, at all, how Kinect has excellent support. Why not try backing up that statement next time. The Kinect and 360 make the Best Console/Controller Combination: Really? Have we seen any games so far that use both? I didn't think we'd seen any games that use both. Again, the paragraph here doesn't explain itself. Kinect priced competitively: Really? Because, last time I checked Kinect can only do two people at a time an is going to cost $299 for the Arcade bundle. By comparison, a Wii with the popular Wii sports and an extra controller is only going to set you back about $200. For $299 you could get a Wii, the excellent Super Mario Galaxy 2, extra controller, Mario Kart and Super Mario Bros. Or you could spend $299 - get a 360 with Kinect and one Wii-sports clone. I don't know how competitive this really is for a family looking for a games console. Current Xbox 360 users could use something different: Really? "As it stands now, once 360 gamers gets bored with MW2/Halo 3/Mass Effect, their only option is to off the console or throw in another hardcore game." And the problem is....? Less wires=More Exposure, More Stupidity, and More fun: Really? Funny, I never felt wires were holding me back from having fun. Strangely enough, no one is wired to their consoles anymore. The article mentions "It gets rid of controllers and buttons!" Again - I never once thought playing Halo - "You know, these buttons are really hampering my enjoyment of this game." And didn't you just argue that Kinect with the controller was the best on any console? I don't know. If you're looking for reasons to justify the purchase of Kinect - don't look here. This article misses the mark repeatedly.
5 REASONS KINECT WILL BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS THE SEGA ACTIVATOR.....
1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Real list
The hardcore games will come. This is just the start. Microsoft dont want to put off the casuals with hardcore 1st person shooters until its been out a year and everyone knows about it
You can't put a hardcore 1st person shooter on Kinect, unless it's an on-rails shooter. There are very few hardcore games that are feasible with the limited gesture mapping that Kinect offers. That's even before accounting for the input lag, lack of accuracy, feedback etc. Kinect is a venture that not even Microsoft knows where is going. But thinking logically, it's clear that even if somehow developers could pull off a hardcore game on Kinect, on the extremely rare case that it would actually be good, the experience would probably work a whole lot better with a physical controller.
Spinning there son. MS is marketing it to casuals because it is the people who don't see the difference yet and is easily influenced by Justin Bieber. But after a month with the thing - they are not gonna buy title nr 2 or 3 for it. So this is how it is going to play out. Kinect is gonna sell a ton in the first month. Since there is so many duplicate games, each publisher is only going to get 1/3 of the potential sales - because seriously - after buying a sucky sports game - who is going to rush out and buy two more? Then the running and screaming is going to begin - of people rushing to the store trying to return the thing. And the publishing houses realizing that there is not going to be much profit in it - will start dropping support for it. The hardcore titles will not make it - because 18 months down the line - Move will have titles out that even if Kinect can match Move launch hardcore titles - it will just not be worth the effort as the rest of the market will have moved to where it can just not play. So spin all you like. Kinect really is ill conceived and doomed to be a footnote of a really bad product that never should have been released. But hey - the MS corporate is going to try and brainwash the world in the first month with stories of how really cool and successful Kinect is - and give up after three months of disaster.
Articles Beaten to Death on N4G "move vs kinect" "move is better than kinect" "kinect is better than move" "could PS3 take the lead" "will xbox win this gen" "5 reasons" "10 reasons" here is an article for you "STFU"
What about Sparta? As for your statement... I agree.
Do you know who's gonna but Kinect? Parents of those kids you hear on Halo 3
"You can't put a hardcore 1st person shooter on Kinect, unless it's an on-rails shooter." Your kidding me right. Use you imagination, why cant you just use the 360 controller and use Kinect for grenades. You could use Kinect so you can peep around corners or even some voice commands. Push the bad guys off you. It could be used so you can open doors reach out and grab things. Change guns. You could even use Kinect to train your guy up, mini fitness type stuff similar to whats already been shown. Microsoft WILL bring out games like this but not yet. Its a business and at the moment they want the Wii party type games they dont want to confuse the market they are aiming for. The casuals are clueless, they need to be showed the NO Controller required. The hardcore Kinect and controller will all come later.
You said: "Use you imagination" Why not pose that to the developers right now? They seem to be short on innovation and imagination when it comes to the Kinect. By the way, all of the things you "imagined" for the Kinect can be done right this second with the same cameras that have been out for years. I wonder if the reason it hasn't been put into a game yet is because it's stupid and clunky. Or maybe you were the first person ever in the history of the world to come up with such an innovative and creative idea. You could probably pick up a copy of End War right now and try the voice command thing. I hear that won game of the century from all the gaming websites. (Of course it didn't. Game was crap.)
All these "****** Kinect will *****" articles are seriously making me face palm...
Another apologetic article to try and work up some enthusiasm. The market already realizes that Kinect is going to fail. There is a very good reason why Kinect will fail long term. It just does not match the Wiimote or Move controllers. So it is just a PS Eye for $150 with lower fps. There is a very good reason why it is going to fail short term as well. Move is launching before it. And with it a slew of PS Eye titles that will show that it is as capable at PS Eye cost vs $150. When the buying public sees the Move out in the market - their expectation for Kinect is going to be that it must at least be equal to the Move, or much cheaper. As it is, Kinect is more expensive and laughably less capable. And with Move demos in all the places where the buying public will shop - well - MS will have to try and sell it at clothing stores - because the gaming stores customers is going to try out both and walk away without the Kinect. Especially since Move will be out a month+ before Kinect. So no - there is not reason for Kinect to succeed. It will only be supported by the die-hard XBox fans who will pretend to enjoy laggy inaccurate games.
only point 3 seems valid
1. It requires you to be 8 - 12 feet away. 2. It only recognizes the main extremities. So much for precise controls. 3. The 250-400ms delay means bad reaction times. 4. You can't get away with just wearing anything. You HAVE to be wearing proper clothing to even use the thing. 5. $150. Seriously. $150. Yeah, I thought it was a joke at first too. Oh wait, those are 5 reasons that Kinect shouldn't be purchased by ANYBODY.
1) its a stupid fucking gimmicky peripheral that doesnt have support from devs beyond that of gimmicky movements tacked on to their hardcore games. sure a company like bungie might be getting bags and bags of money to say "yeah were rolling out some crazy kinect support in halo reach", but thats mostly because m$ is forcing those types of devs to incorporate it in their games in any way they can. kinect is a fucking FAIL because it will never be the soul control scheme to ANY harcore game. at most i feel like the most "harcore" games well see FULLY use kinect are games like flower (if it were on xbla). you will never be able to play a beefed up shooter using kinects control scheme. kinect is an EPIC fail no matter how many bullshit "567876545678976 why kinect is awesome :D" articles get approved on n4g. perhaps it will sell well due to its infectious marketing and call to casuals, but it will never be a decent peripheral.
Why not pose that to the developers right now? My last line above. Microsoft dont want 1st person shooters YET! If you knew anything about business you would understand. Its well funny listening to your predictions about Kinect. It was not long ago 90% of the Sony fans were saying that the Wii is just a gimmick and they would never buy one. Along comes Sony with something obviously very similar and its going to be great and we are all going to want one. If Nintendo brought out a Wii 2 this summer with graphics on par with the PS3 and a new Black more precise controller I can bet you guys wouldnt fancy one huh?
Advertising. That is all. Microsoft will spend a kagillion dollars on this piece of crap.
If this article was true then it would mean bad news for real gamers, buts its not, thank God.
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