The big news coming out this week was around the alleged claim that someone has finally hacked the PS3. The PS3 is considered to be the most secure console ever made with it remaining un-hacked for four years.
update could make that hack useless.
And a chip update can make it work again. Still, quite a hassle having to download games that are +40gb in size. And then you probably need a Blu-Ray burner. And you might get banned from PSN if they do checks like MS. Not worth it.
Explain this to me
Someone answered me in a comment saying this doesn't even open piracy. You can't share the files online you CAN rent a game and save it to a HDD but nothing more. Just not worth $170AUS and the fact is if you want to play GT5, Uncharted 3, inFamous 2 you'll HAVE to download the newest PS3 firmware. So the PS3 really is far from hacked. Also, haven't seen any homebrew stuff at all.
Soda, it doesn't work like that. You can't actually download any games. Essentially, what the device does is put the console into debug mode and allows you to back the games up to a hard drive. You still need to own/rent/borrow the game to make said back up though. Downloading won't work.
@Pirate Exactly, i dont know if paying $150 for this is justified when it is that limited, no homebrew is available yet, and u may not be able to go online or play newer games. Most pirates are waiting for other pirates to pirate theses pirates and produce a cheaper version. all this will do is encourage some people to rent games instead of buying used copies - which may not be half bad. Sony should just get a rental service for psn. now back to fat princess
Pedo that is a lot of pirates and why do people keep saying BD burner? it runs from an HDD yeah pirating is from renting games and copying them i hope Sony patches this
once hackers have found a solid way to get past security, there will be more and more ways to do it. Its like the rapid fire controllers, games have tried to block them. And now, all you have to do is connect the controller to the pc and update the firmware to bypass the latest game patch. Im sure they want to achieve this with the ps3 hacks. Its going to be a cat and mouse game now, sony will be finding the best way to patch it. Once patched, soon after an updated version of the chip will be out and it will start all over again. AND JUST TO POINT OUT, ITS NOT $150 USA CURRENCY, ITS AUSTRALIAN DOLLARS. Read it, its says $170 AUS!!!! They are not the same currency
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those articles wont stop
OK as far as I could understand this sh!tty hackz can block FW updates and make backups, but NEW GAMES will use New FWs, so yeah, it would be used for the established library of games [IF it ever works], but it'll not work with NEW Games cos the new games require the Latest FW and if you don't update you can't play and you can't access PSN too... Lame and Pointless, also these løøsers didn't hackz the PS3, they just stole the tech (or whatever it is) from Sony, that's Illegal lol they not only came out with this crap that will be useless by the time Sony release a FW update cough:GT5.&.Black-Ops.rele ase:cough, they'll also are going straight to Jail... Mwahahaha....
Soda, you're stupid. It clearly rips the game to the HDD. I swear people on this forum are retarded. And at the moment, you can't detect it because the PS3 thinks there disc is inside when you play the game. Online works too.
Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare FIFA 10 NHL 10 UFC 2010 supposedly dont work
"Still, quite a hassle having to download games that are +40gb in size." Just to put things straight, I have no intentions of buying any of these things to break my PS3's. I'm looking at it from a side if I wanted to pirate. Soda, A lot of the piracy in the movie industry is also pre-burned copies being sold on the streets. In this case a hardcore pirates could purchase a preloaded external HDD. They wouldn't need to download anything. All they'd need to do is 1. Buy a 2 TB drive fill it with games. 2. Clone the drive or transfer full games off a drive. 3. Sell a cloned drive + software or copying rights to everything on it. Even if the backup software restricts sharing, it could easily be altered or hacked itself to allow full out piracy. All they'd need is compatible software, firmware and the dongle to run them. It's been done before people would sell flash cards with 1000's roms on them at conventions. Why wouldn't they do the same with external HDDs. It not like external hdds are to big to transport or sell fully loaded. Even if the cost of an external HDD/enclosure is like $150 + or Minus 50%, If it has 50-100 games (25-50gb each) on it that'll still be very very cheap compared to full retail. Lest do some math. Even if the games are valued at $10 each that still amounts to $500-$1000. Now imagine if these titles where valued at street prices $60. I'm estimating $3000-$6000 of pirated games getting given away for almost nothing. People that are pirates aren't so cheap that they'd turn a blind eye to such a big bargain. They're smart enough to know downloading them would be a nightmare and look for alternative methods of trade. Even a cheap pirate invest money into pirating, They're smart enough to know that if they do cheat the system they'll need to invest money into it no matter what. The only difference here is that they'll be looking for bargains. I'm just being logical here, pirates don't get everything for free and they aren't as restricted by internet or the cost of hardware as some would believe. IMHO they're just bargain hunters looking for a way to get stuff as cheap as possible even if they break laws to do so.
The hack blocks firmware update and the hackers said they will release custom updates. Personally I don’t think this is practical for a large segment of the gaming population because: -Like Soda mentioned, a lot of bluray games are too big -the USB hack is very expensive -added cost of an external HD -it's a big gamble because the warranty will be invalid and you will have to buy a new 300$ consol if Something goes wrong. -Possible loss of online gaming -risk of losing the PS3 ID along with saves, purchased games, friends list and trophies
It doesn't block updates it remove updates that maybe broken. That means the firmware needs to be installed first. It the firmware is to remove the leaked code this will stop the code from working and can't remove the update.
The usb is expensive right now but once the Chinese start mass producing it expect it to be below 30 dollars just like the r4 chip for the nintendo ds.
It is a temporary workaround. And not all that impressive of a one. I mean seriously. Using a debug? L A M E.
its just like the jtag for 360, new consoles can't be hacked once updated, but but the ones that can are completely hacked an update would block it, but there are already 38 million ps3's capable of being exploited its a shame but thats the way it is
and if somebodey buy the psjailbreak who will so stupid to update? hahaha lol and yes you can install the game in a hd and share it with someone else so YOU CAN UPLOAD IT TO INTERNET
I'm gonna laugh at the people shelling out over 150$ for this only for the chance of Sony making it obsolete with an update, or start to ban/brick consoles.
True, but banning consoles never stops piracy. Someone with enough money to spend $150 on a USB stick, surly has enough to buy a spare PS3 to play back up games on. I've wanted to with my Xbox, but I'm to lazy to be a pirate lol
Well, you gotta think about it this way, they offer a 1 year warranty, does that cover sony fixing it and it not working? :)
Who says the backed up games wouldn't be sold on a 2 GB cloned drive? A 2 terabyte drive can hold almost(One hundred) 25gb games. They don't have to download them they can just sell those drives packed pre-loaded with/without the dongle. Pirite are bargin hunters willing to get products illigaly. This doesn't mean they get stuff for free. They still need to invest some money some where. Getting 100 games that sale for $30-$60 each totaling around $3000-$6000 worth of games for <$200 is next to nothing. I'm sure that they'd not complain to much about the minor investment when it's not even 10% of retail value.
Yea i agree that some people will do that (i've also thought about doing it with an extra xbox but i can get a used one for under 130$), I don't see piracy being as bad for the Ps3 as it is the PSP though.
We will know soon enough when Sony attempts to block it. If the hackers are able to counterattack successfully then thats when the problems begin. @Chris399 And there are also a lot of reviews, including from a respected mod shop that it works. I'm not interested in the details of how it works, just about wether it works or not. I'm not gonna lie if its as easy as ordering a USB online to be shipped to my door its going to be very appealing and not just to me but many others too just like the PSP hack is. Its not like a 360 hack where you have to get someone to do something to your console this is all DIY. Like I said to begin with, if the hackers are able to successfully counterattack the patch then thats when the problems begin for Sony.
It requires the firmware to work, and thus far, no exploit has been made in the firmware. There's also no evidence that the entire thing wasn't faked (using a debug unit for example, or having multiple inputs on the television - it's a VERY selective camera angle in all their vids) either and that they're running a bait and switch scam. Try reading, and then comprehending, the articles that you comment on, for once. Edit: Again you fail to understand the details. The PSP hack was HARDWARE, it had to do with the battery access and placing the unit into service mode - that's why the PSPGo/ 3000 are relatively hack free atm. This "hack" needs a firmware to run it. $170 is a fool's investment for something that will probably be patched by next week.
rentals will increase - used game sales will decline - still, more software will be sold to rental places
Actually Chris...... the psp3000 isn't a hardware hack..... I live in China and you can get them anywhere.
the PSP 3000 hack had a number of stipulations, one being that you couldn't EVER turn it off (or have it crash), or it would brick till you reinstall the Firmware. Have they fixed this yet? Pretty sure it's still an issue. And the Go is still unhacked (except for the Patapon exploit). The majority of custom firmware PSPs are 1000s and 2000s. Have a lark and check out the independent retailer prices on a 2000 on Amazon or Ebay. $300 and up. Edit: PS3 developer Daniel Collin on twitter - http://twitter.com/daniel_c... He seems to think that the video came from a debug kit. Can we all move along now?
For once I'm gonna agree with you
This, is your problem. They can't counter-attack a patch. It is a very specific piece of code that has enabled this in the first place. Once this loop is closed (if it exists), and Sony has changed the code, it's over. This is a one time shot. Hackers would need access to NEW debugging code, assuming Sony doesn't take some other measure altogether that renders debug units useless for this sort of hack (requires the disc in the drive, for example). Debug units NEED firmware. So if the firmware and OS haven't been cracked, the hack is useless. And yes, a MOD SHOP WOULD OFFER A STELLAR REVIEW OF A $170 CASH GRAB ITEM THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL IN THE ONE WEEK BEFORE IT BECOMES USELESS. Honestly, it's no wonder that you say the things you do, you're one of the most naive persons I've ever come across.
This is very true. I wonder if Sony can fix it so easily though. I'd imagine they'll be able to. Of course there are last resorts like the situation on the XB0X 360, forcing formats of memory sticks before they can be used with the PS3. And again, the memory stick has to be in the PS3 whilst playing the game. So there's stuff they can do there such as only allowing registered PS3 devices to work when a game is in progress. As for Omega, rather than using his head. He lets his opinion speak for what he wants to happen, as opposed to what is likely.
If it's the same hardware used to repair damaged PS3's (that have crashed firmware), wouldn't it be hard coded into the main board? If this is the case the device superceeds the firmware security and authentication mechanics. I can see the firmware update blocking the unsigned code after an a firmware update but can the usb dongle allow a firmware downgrade or instalation of another unsigned firmware. If it can defeat the firmware security enough that a user can install a 3rd party (hacked) firmware then the hole would be extremely hard to patch permanently without modifying the hardware. In any case the flaw would be permanently hard coded in every PS3 launched before the hack was announce. My guess is that because it came from China, The same place that leaked the PS3 slim pictures and manufacturing warehouse it also leaked the official debug dongle hardware.
True. This "hack" isn't a hack. It's like saying you've hot-wired a car by making a copy of the key. It's a key...it does what it's supposed to do: start the car. This piece is the same thing. It's a debug utility. It's designed to do exactly what it's doing. That's not a hack. IMO, the PS3 is still secure, it's just had some keys copied.
I have to agree with you. Though the game of cat and mouse is about to begin with Sony constantly updating to block this "exploit" and the hackers constantly trying to remain a step ahead.
you dont have to pay someone to hack a 360 for you opening the 360 is easy enough, plenty of youtube vids show how for any 360 console version bar the S this http://www.ck3.co.uk/xecute... will do just fine and as you can see it's pretty cheap for what it does
" if its as easy as ordering a USB online to be shipped to my door its going to be very appealing " That makes you a thief. You've just gone on record stating that you can't be trusted in peoples homes or in stores or even your workplace. Don't invite Omega 4 your party, stealing is just too appealing for him.
No amount of excuses or wishful thinking isn't going to take away from the fact that the PS3 is now hacked. Love it or hate it but it is out there and it does work. What is sad are the fanboys here that just assumed the PS3 was hack proof, well here is your proof that it isn't. Sony needs to get some control back, they won't stop them all but some is better than none. I just hope Sony doesn't lose software support over this.
@XactGamer I just hope Sony doesn't lose software support over this. did microsoft ?????
Pretty sure this is a problem for Sony like it was on the PSP, or if you want an entrance that is very deep in the root before the PS3's boot. At best, it'll be something like iPhone hardware, that gets a new fw and for just a few days or weeks can't be jailbroken and then bam, its jailbroken again. For me personally, doesn't even matter if it would be temporary or not. I have a Fat PS3 still on firmware 3.15 with OtherOS not going online and a Slim I play online with. I'll put this on the Fat, not even for the PS3 games, but for the ability of a devkit that is able to run any homebrew made for it. Think about the possibilities of emulators, up to a PS2 emu the homebrew community could make while Sony sells the PS2 games 'redone' for a premium price and took away PS2 emulation/BC. Think about custom mediaplayers like XBMC has been the best around for years. Think about any other interesting software ported to the PS3. I had a 360 in a box that was JTAG vulnerable, but accidently upgraded it some time ago, it was a lot more work to JTAG is also. This seems a lot more interesting, so I'm in as soon as a cheaper clone is around. Which will be soon enough. Homebrew FTW!
stop playing your reindeer games saying you have a ps3, for that matter 2
there will be periods that sony patches their system but it will be hacked again and again. thet should have never disabled linux support.
Listen all of you. It was already stated that they probably stole Sony's tech to do this. Someone stole the device and gave it to hackers to get around their security. First of all that is pathetic. They couldn't crack the PS3 so they had to resort to becoming thieves to do it. Secondly this is Sony's tech they stole. I know all you other thieves out there are eager to run and buy this but think about it this way. Who do you trust knows more about this tech, the overconfident hackers or the people the device belongs too? Go ahead and be swindled out of $140.00 that you could have just brought games with and sit back and watch it go down the drain as Sony makes it obsolete. Keep talking and don't listen like the 360 people who would listen about the 360 breaking down. Just don't come hear talking crap about sueing Sony and how they owe you a new system.
I'll place my bet on the hackers any day, as you can see what was once impossible to hack is now hacked.
you obviously did not read his comment -.- or the fact that it wasnt hacked. They used sony's own tool against them which isnt a hack, its a tool theft to fix consoles.
i dont see a good hack coming in the distant future maybe when the ps4 comes out and sony wont release as many updates to counter the hacks
Hardware sales going to go up. Software sales will still do good. People love using the many features of PSN and upcoming Sony PS3 Features like the TV stuff. If people want to hack and still want to go on PSN, then they get one system for hacking and another for going online. Don't think many would get another system just to pirate some games. Sony has great online features and apps, they'll do ok still. If you can use PSN and still hack then that would be a problem.
This is truly a nightmare for Sony, software sales will most likely decline. The PS3 isn't exactly a software selling beast so this really hurts the gamer and the industry. At the end of the day a $160 USB hack isn't worth the price of a $350 PS3 and $10,000 to $100,000 in fines if you get caught.
I'm happy this is happening to Sony for those mofos removing other OS and not giving people extended warranties for YLOD, they took $170 from me to fix YLOD. I will now sell my 60+ PS3 games on Ebay (excluding the masterpiece MGS4), and soon never need to buy a game ever again this gen, except for GT5 CE. The only way I see Sony being able to fix this is by making a newer version of the ps3 slim, just like Microsoft tried by adding different DVD drives to each newer 360, and Sony tried with different psps.
You Graphics are an idiot. Sony removed the other OS to protect their investment. Don't confuse them with Microsoft and Nintendo who sat back and watched as hackers fiddled with their systems and only now doing something about it. I don't see why some people are so eager to mess Sony up.Maybe it's just me but they gave us a lot of features on the PS3. It was more then worth the price and now some idiot is messing it up and causing them to make drastic decision that probably wouldn't have been put in place if the hackers had just left it alone. Why blame Sony? What, because they are an easy target? Why not blame the hackers? Why are you angry? Because Sony doesn't let you do what you want with their system that they worked so hard to build to make it solid? You seem to forget Sony is running a business, not a soup kitchen were they give you everything for free
I agree tiamat. This idiot is complaining about a feature removed he probably never used caused by hackers. Hackers who now you are claiming to support forced sonys hand to protect their investment. Basically your supporting taking money from the developers families who will have a hard time feeding them if this issue is not remedied.
Those who are wise would not bother with it.
Even though I'm against video game piracy (only video game) I would like to see the PS3 successfully hacked Why? well because I'm an IT student and overall techy geeky guy, and I got to admit, theres a certain element of admiration for people who crack things like the PS3 and manage to make it there b*tch ;)
Its aload of crap, even if they do hack it wont last long. if it was that easy just to use a chip, why wasn't it developed in the early years of the ps3. there just scum bags what have got nothing better to do, who are on minimum wage and cant afford to pay full price of games. yer sell the usb chip for 170 aus dollars, would they like it if some one came along and made one from there exact design and sold it for 20 aus dollars, they wouldnt. in the end there just going to push too far and the games they like to get "free" will go because the companys cant afford to make games. it all just gets me mad, they just need to get a better job and pay FULL price. what really annoys me too is that the people getting copied games are the first to complain when theres something wrong with the game.
This isn't a hack. It is looking like this is a factory debug hook jig that was ripped off and reverse engineered. It is a device that makes the PS3 operate like a debug kit. It is like a key to a house but it is not the master key. Change the lock and the key doesn't work any more. The keyhole (USB) stays the same, the tumblers (firmware keys) change. Sony will just change that and issue new jigs, probably with a unique identifier or even an authenticator to make the jig work and do a firmware update to invalidate the leaked jig. Now, make sure you order your Belzar modchip. Hackers need to eat and they would love to take your money, sucker...errr, pirate.
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