Ever since I heard this news I've been listening to "Thin Lizzy's - Jail Break". "Tonight there's gonna be a jail break ba-da-dum!" Good song. Maybe They should use it to promote it.
Sorry But being able to use your cell phone with someone other then AT&T Vs modding your PS3 to do things that screw developers out of money isn't the same.
sure but it is legal if u use it to play backups of games u own (pretty sure it applies to the USA Canada n most of Europe) or use it to play homebrew apps n the likes...
personally id b happy if piracy wasnt an option but i wont deny its going to b used for that.
n theres no law stopping sony from patching out this exploit if they can.
edit @ morgan ya we know its going to b used for piracy but it can b used legit if you only play backups of games you own n run homebrew... n it looks like it does really work.
http://www.sankakucomplex.c...
Jailbreaking is legal in the case of individuals placing lawfully purchased and owned software on a device. This isn't being done for the purposes of jailbreaking.
Also, companies have the right to undo your jailbreak with a software update.
And personally I am skeptical it works. Why not show actual gameplay?
Call me paranoid, I don't care but... Just days after Gamescon start, where Sony showed a lot of BIG hitters for this and the next year, someone "out of the blue" releases a 100% functional usb-mod for backing up and playing any game, looks like they got some help from "inside" if you know what I mean.
Everybody and their moms know that a very large part of PS2 success besides a big library, was the fact it can play "backup" games, so in my head, Sony is playing the ALL OUT game to take down competition once and for all.
@Chaos69 Yes but who would really use it for that kind of stuff if they can easily get a PS3 game and save it to their hard drive without buying the game?
Plus that isn't counting people that might try to use it to mod their games to win on games like MW2 or MAG. So yeah it is best not to have it at all.
Sony doesn't need to remove anything to do it, just software to find it or force you to reformat your USB flash drive, draw back is for the people that keep game files on a USB flash drive in case of something happens to the PS3.
Well there you go. No, there you do not go. Do you know the definition of gameplay? If not you can save a lot of money and just download pictures of gameplay off the internet, read how the game ends and viola! You just saved $59.
And BTW, good luck finding very many PS3 games under 4GB. You see that external drive is formatted to FAT32. Let's see what you get on there...
@kneon you don't get it do you? you can have 2TB of drive but in order for the PS3 to recognized it via USB, it must be formatted as FAT32. the problem with that is the maximum size of a single file on a FAT32 formatted device must be <4GB wherelse a PS3 game sizing that small are too rare or close to not existing at all. so, what's left is your internal HDD for those backups but you can't upload it to the net either because there's currently no way you can access PS3 HDD from a pc without taking it out 1st and it's still unreadable unless if you have a special stuff on your pc for that to happen. plus you can't copy the backup to an external device either as the size will be >4GB! so, it's unless until somebody can find a way the PS3 can read games from home made BD-R, there's no other way but you have to at least rent a game to do this or wait for somebody to enable the ps3 to do the unzipping/unraring so that downloaded backup can work!
Lets be sensible... Jailbreaking is not game piracy.. don't mesh the two.. it does simplify the process, but there are plenty of other reasons to unlock the ps3 other than to facilitate obtaining free games... the ps3 linux community would love to have their other os back, and have full access to resources there(which they never could get without a hack of some sort). The whole linux side itself was awesome for researchers. I can think of just as many or more legal reasons to hack the ps3 as i can the iphone or any other phone or device. The comment about it being different is foolish.. the Jailbreak community for iphone is full of pirated apps and games(emulators and roms just to start)...
Honestly I cant help but stress that there are two different things here. there is jail breaking and then there is piracy... Jail breaking is legal no matter what system you are talking about. As long as you own the system, you can do with it how you please so long as you don't use it in a way that harms others. No one can tell you differently without infringing on your rights... it would be like toyota suing you for replacing the transmission on your car... They can't. the product is yours... However, buying that product doesn't give you the right to make copies of that car and distribute them... That falls in with copyright infringement... Thats where piracy comes into play.
summary: Jailbreak simply means to unlock... its legal and can lead to alot of positive results. piracy = bad, not legal, you are stealing from companies by obtaining illegal copies of some software and using it without purchase or permission from its owner... two different things..
repeat one more time... TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!
SideNote: you gotta respect the fact that the ps3 held out for a dang good long time.... The fact that it took this many years for them to finally crack the puppy is crazy.. it took all of a couple days to bust the new iphone 4 open... all other consoles have long since been hacked...
They are going to get sued. this is a *unlicensed* 3rd party device, which is going on Sale for profit with no proceeds going to Sony. Think about it.
MEANING - not authorized for sale or use, therefor illegal through TOS. If it was given out for free, the ruling would be difficult. But obviously the maker/inventor plans on making a profit.
I remember in the 1990's, with the pro action replay for the original PSX. this device could easily allow someone to play burnt games on data cd's. Heck I am guilty of it, but it was mostly to play import games.
Ironically Sony sued Datel (MAKERS of pro action replay) during the ps2 days because the PS2 Pro action replay put the PS2 into Debug mode as well Here is the link: http://www.betanews.com/art...
Iphone jail break = free, do it yourself. PS3 jailbreak thumb drive is being sold....Easy law suit.
I do get it, but I don't think games are stored on the disk as a single huge file. If you need to store the ISO image of the game on the USB drive then yes the 4gb limit will be a problem. But having to use ISO images doesn't make sense as they are using a debug mode of the PS3. In debug mode you would want to have more fine grained access to the game resources so you can swap out individual files, that's more painful if you have to create a new ISO after each change.
Games downloaded from PSN actually need you to be signed into PSN to start them up (Gran turismo 5 Prologue is one of them. If you bought it off PSN try playing it without internet access).
@Milo Garret I have 10 psn games and only 1 of them requires me to be logged in to PSN ,that is the one that i recently bought final fight + double inpact ,
I am sure SONY will do everything to make sure this doesn't spread out but I am afraid that there is little that can be done now. Suppose that even SONY disables USB, there are still ways to handle that as well. It's just a matter of time because the code inside that USB is distributed to hackers around the world. How difficult would it be for hackers to simply make a boot disk type of things? I am thinking, not too difficult. It's the code that is the real thing here and not the usb/boot disk/card readers etc.
I highly doubt Sony will even consider disabling the USB. That my friends is not the solution and it will only hamper PS3 sales and won't help them in many ways!
I guess the best to go about this is legal system. It seems that the code used to run PS3 in debug mode was stolen from Sony. Just a speculation, nothing confirmed but if that is indeed the case then Sony can easily file lawsuits that'll prevent their own IP to sold as stolen material.
Lets hope this piracy thing doesn't ruin gaming for all of us! I still can't stand the fact that because of one damn ahole (geo hotz), we had to loose our INSTALL OTHER OS feature! Stop messing with consoles and keep cracking nuts in your kitchen or whatever!
Not unless they catch the source. They might stop the sellers BUT as long as the source is still out there this little problem will never end. The only thing Sony can do at this point is to create a patch. Kill the virus before it spreads.
There is a very easy way to stop this! All sony has to do is implement digitally signed drivers into a new update, this will then scan any usb device to check if its been signed, if it has not it wont work.
Also did anybody check the link, psjailbreak has been shutdown already.
Well done sony fight that corner
Omg, the circus that has been going on today over a SCAM. They were clearly using a DEBUG UNIT. The site has been SHUT DOWN. They were probably just trying to scam money as much money as they could from idiots eager to fork over $170, before they got caught.
The PS3 might get jail-broken some day, but with security on almost every part of the hardware, it's probably not going to come from a USB key.
Whatever helps you sleep at night man. Remain in your denial state of mind all you want. Fact of the matter is the system has been jail broken. More and more sites are review the little USB. And there is nothing we can do about it ONLY Sony can shut these guys down.
jailbreaking is legal. However whatever you do with it after that is not always gonna be defined as legal. But simply jailbreaking it is no longer illegal.
If I can play my mkv, ps2 games load my ps3 games faster, hey this is a must have for me, but don't get me wrong I still buy games except that this is like a features I been waiting for
SAVE YOUR MONEY All Sony has to do it require all thumb drives to be formatted before use. If anything this screws over the people whom want to transfer saves.
Also this is a *unlicensed* 3rd party device, which is going on Sale for profit with no proceeds going to Sony. Think about it.
MEANING - not authorized for sale or use, therefor illegal through TOS. If it was given out for free, the ruling would be difficult. But obviously the maker/inventor plans on making a profit.
I remember in the 1990's, with the pro action replay for the original PSX. this device could easily allow someone to play burnt games on data cd's. Heck I am guilty of it, but it was mostly to play import games.
Ironically Sony sued Datel (MAKERS of pro action replay) during the ps2 days because the PS2 Pro action replay put the PS2 into Debug mode as well Here is the link: http://www.betanews.com/art...
This device more than likely sprung up from the tinkering of an actual Debug system (PS3). If anything this moves doesn't hurt gamers, but actually developers (Indie developers are going to get hurt) and might actually increase the prices for a PS3 test unit. Obviously this was tinkered with a debug unit (actual test unit).
And to end this short essay, this scam is going to be a big bait and switch. Sony will patch like Microsoft patched Memory card in the end of 2009. Once again read the link http://www.betanews.com/art...
If you ordered this (if possible) get your money back as soon as possible before the website owner grabs your money and runs.
And honestly if you feel the absolute need to pirate games because you feel they aren't worth the money...just rent the damn game or do game trades online. Here is a link: http://www.switchgames.com/...
Most sensible comment I've read on this whole issue. People don't realize that this is a scam, and are merely frothing at the bit that TEH PS3 IZ CRAKED!.
Wow look at these comments.. 95% of you dont actually know anything and just assume "ps3 jailbreak" means piracy or homebrew lol.. WRONG!
it wont allow piracy because it only allows you to back up games that you already have on disc(thats also why this is actualy legal) i guess some people will copy a friend game here & there BUT that wont be on anymore of a scale than gamesharing..
so yeah maybe find out the real info before assuming that this will allow people to pirate games on a mass scale lol
The thing is this mod comes with a backup loader built on so its never gonna be legal. As for removing USB thats stupid as poeple wouldn't be able to charge controllers if they have no other USB ports on anything else so won't happen. A simple firmware update will block it dead. Since you need to upate to latest firmware to play online it will kill online play too.
thats why its legal because it only has the ability to back up from disc.. and if you own the console, harddrive, game, device then they are your and your free to do what you want with them.. which is why they can say its 'legal'
instead of disabling the usb ports, Sony can prevent the usbsticks from booting code and only use them as media managers, kind of like how the xbox 360 used pendrives before the last update you could only play music videos or pictures, but you couldn't copy any file from usbsticks to console. But who knows how this will end...
Simply patching it probably won't make it go away. The way they claim the hack works, means... well... a patch would only be a temporary solution, because they can't simply get rid of the debuging aspect of the machine that they are using as the exploit.
If this does what it says it does, in the way it claims, it's not simply going to be patched away. Look at this from an objective standpoint, not from the standpoint that Sony is all powerful and can do anything. I think it's pretty amazing it has been 4 years without a viable hack.
My god, the PS2 was hacked to hell and back and they still sell units and games in other parts of the world to this day.
its not simple they can only remove the service that the usb puts the ps3 in. they can not remove service mode as Sony use it when repairing your ps3.
the only other way is to disable usb and only let give out power to charge or disable usb to the ps3 gets into the xmb as usb will not work unless you power down the console boot up with it.
lol aceofspades, software patching isn't like sticking a plaster on a cut. This is programming here. Way out of your league.
Now I'm wondering whether this will turn into a cat and mouse game like xbox 360 and PSP. They also claim that that the feature used by Sony to force gamers to install new fw from the game has been bypassed. They also claim it's okay to play online just like the PSP.
''Hacks = piracy, piracy = low sales, low sales = less games (or less INVENTIVE games you can always count on CoD... Sigh...) and less games = a boring fucking time.''
It seems to me that back in the days of DOS or even pre-DOS, piracy was huge. Your argument is false. It is propaganda. Look up the word propaganda and disinformation. Some of you guys put too much stock in sound bites and tag lines. This is why the same dirt-bag politicians get elected. This is why they have marketing campaigns that study the human condition and what motivates us to buy bullshit and think it's sunshine and unicorns.
Sure, people make something, they should be compensated. Everybody understand that. It sucks for some that some others get something for free.
Do you honestly see much innovation going on in the mainstream AAA development community? Do you think piracy is really the main reason for that? Why is it that the DS/GBA are some of the most pirated platforms around, yet they are constantly making money hand over fist? Modern Warfare has sold 20 million copies and it was pirated to hell and back. One of the most pirated games in existence, The Sims series and Spore also some of the biggest sellers in the history of gaming.
Crysis was pirated the shit out of and yet it still sold Millions of copies since it came out in 2007. I could go on and on. This list is never ending.
They are feeding you lies and you eat them up like candy. These hardware companies have created armies of loyalists and yesmen. They have done the things of a politicians wet dream.
Most of the developers out there are owned by one publisher or another... it's all of god damn pyramid scheme. Try supporting the real innovators in the marketplace... But, since those are mainly PC/MAC/Linux developers, you don't even know who I mean, do you?
@ALFAxD_CENTAURO You post a theory about piracy lowering sales then post 360 in the same comment. Epic Fail.. Piracy has boosted 360 sales soo much and RROD combined with piracy was golden as you couldn't send your broken 360 to MS to be repaired as it was modded.
Get a man from Sony to come round and glue up every USB port on every PS3...
...Already I can see the logistics implications in that, so maybe a quick patch and a system check to like what xbox uses to check for flashed drives and other such mods to crack down on it?
They cannot permanently remove such a thing. A patch would only be a temporary solution since the device itself uses the systems debug mode. Once a patch is released, the company only has to update the device through software on some site. All you would have to do is simply plug in the device into your PC, and download the update.
The only thing that would permanently remove such a thing would be disabling the USB slots on the PS3 through a firmware update, but that would cause too many issues.
You can dump PS3 files onto the HDD and it'll read them. You only need to attatch the HDD to your computer and upload it and the entire world of piracy is born on the PS3.
Sony need to be highly intelligent here. I'm sure they've had a precaution to IF the PS3 eventually got hacked. I had a Direct Message from @PlayStation and they said they know about it. Nothing else. So... I know, for a fact, that they've got something up their sleeves.
Edit: Anyway the new games like Killzone 3, The Last Guardian, Infamous 2, Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, and Twisted Metal will probably be released with newer firmware on discs. So if you wanna play new games, you have no choice but to update firmware.
I tried doing that on the so called optional FW updates. A week later my controllers wouldn't work and had to download the latest FW to get my controllers working.
I just do not like fanboys , from either console side. the truth is that i mainly play pc games , and even though there is a divide between nvidia and ati there is not the hate that there is between xbox and playstation fanboys. I also think that the playstation fanboys are more vocal and irrational than all other fanboys , so thats what predicated my previous comment.
The cat is out of the bag PC elitists are the worst fanboys out there. They blam other gamers of being huge fanboys yet they are the biggest and the most aggressive. PC elitists like you altimako02 talk trash about console gaming non-stop and look for any excuse to talk down on consoles and it's owners. PC elitists make me ashamed to call myself a gamer.
Funny how they find a way to even spin this news and turn on PS3 owners calling them fanboys.
Just for your information this "jailbrake" will be taken care of very esily and there are just way to many problems with it in order to work.
You think SONY will just sit by and do nothing on a system that can be easily patched???
Also, so far the PS3 is still the most secure system out there. PC is the weakest!!
well it cannot be used online anway as it only loads from the disc and does not apply any downloaded patches to the games, so map packs won't work either. I also think this will just be patched out in a firmware update. Sony may just limit the USB use. The cannot turn it off as that would just wreck their Move Controler as the PSeye needs a USB. I think if you do get this, you wll be stuck with FW 3.41 and have no online.
Either way, i think Microsoft are going to be really worried about this news. the PS3 has been selling more year after year and its been a secure system. If its hacked, well, console sales are gonna take off. just at the time they a relaunching their console to casuals.
It doesn't patch when you're using backups; but since they are just backups, just insert your original disk and it will patch up to the current version. Then you can continue using your backups.
Publishers will just release more updates for network play to discourage piracy, but for those that don't go online, I don't think it matters much (e.g. look at Xbox, Wii).
i totally agree that it won't effect people who play offline and don't need to update firmware. But it will limit people downloading games like MW2 for its online play as they won't be able to patch it without the origional disc.
yep but the law here at least says that i can copy anything i own games moovies music etc
so as long as your not selling em n own a legit copy your golden...
Well couldn't you just go rent or borrow a game then rip it to your HDD, i don't know if that would be considered piracy but it's in the same area.
I have a feeling alot of devs won't be using compression anymore so they can make the file as big as possible to cut back on piracy. I'm sure Sony will be constantly pushing out updates though to try and combat them, they did it with the psp and made it really hard to get online with alot of games and hard to get DLC or even access to the ps store.
This saddens me alot I hate piracy of games and all it does is ruin the industry, and sadly i could see Sony banning consoles like MS did.
I'll repost this here Basically this means MKV support, PS2 BC, region unlocking DVD/BLURAY/PS1,PS2, emulators, being able to fully install all your PS3 games...
Sony had PS2 backwards compatability on the drawing board and filed a patent a while back, I have a feeling it's 100% coming legitimately. And even if it isn't your favourite game is likely getting a HD remake with trophy support.
PS3 is already regionfree for the most part, and people still use.. SHOCK HORROR... DVD PLAYERS! :O They don't really give 2 winks about region compatablity.
Emualtors are a shady area and Nintendo themselves say they're illegal. Playing ROMS is CERTAINLY illegal. There a now nearly a hundred CLASSIC AMAZING PS1 games on the PSN LEGALLY... AND GROWING. Not to mention you can still grab bargains off eBay shove them in your BRAND NEW 250GB SLIM PS3 and... Wow... WTF they work!
Why do you want to install your PS3 games? They load perfectly quickly, the HDD isn't loud, the fans aren't loud... Really, the reason you need to install on 360 is because of loading and loudness (made irrelevent with 360S I guess but still...).
Yeah... Would love to hear LEGIT responses to my arguements.
"Why do you want to install your PS3 games? They load perfectly quickly, the HDD isn't loud, the fans aren't loud..."
Because playing the disc wears out the laser over time. If you only play your games on the hd, then there is a much smaller chance of it going out in the future.
That excuse is getting old How many people risk hacking their 360 and other consoles for emulators, region unlocking, and video support only? Not many. Most do it because they have intentions on pirating games. It's just common sense; they just want free games. Everything else is a bonus.
WTF is going on ? can someone please explain what is happening ?
btw i'm all for Ps3 online gaming so even if Ps3 is hacked its going to be useless because offline gaming is only part of the fun,the long term fun is multiplayer.
i was expecting a better article i was dissapointed
"Require all users to sign up for a PS account online, if the person hasn't got the internet they can write to Sony and they will be given an access code to enter every time a game starts up. Not idealest of methods... But it may have to happen. :(" shitty idea
The game developers could try to make a single file with the size greater than 4GB... Because the PS3 is configured to recognize FAT file system, which has a file limitation of 4GB. This means that if someone tried to copy an image to a storage device it would not be possible.
But I think I read that the "pirates/hackers" are working on using NTFS or some other file system. Maybe in order to avoid future complications if the fix was this simple.
sony did everything they could to make people happy this gen to reduce the desire for this they gave us region free games, so importing is a breezing they gave us other os so we could make homebrew linux apps
we lost otheros do to people wanting more
sony isnt pissing around this time games and consoles cost too much to develop to lose anything to piracy,
they will fight and change things to stop this
and its our own fault or rather those who support this kind of thing
You @$$es. What the hell is wrong with you?! This isn't funny or helpful in any way. We had a good thing going with the PS3. Now who knows what Sony will do to fix this. We didn't want the stupid hack.There is always some idiot ruining it for everyone. Sony took a drastic step and cancelled out the other OS and they might suspend God knows what else to protect the PS3 or lock it down with more security. I personally hope that Sony makes a program that bricks the PS3s of anyone who uses this. And you will deserve it. And if you are listening hackers I hope Sony sues you a makes you work for the rest of your life to pay it off.
Heck yes I can't wait to play me some free ps3 games. Maybe all those exclusives i never bothered to play. Can't wait to get my grubby hands on one of these babies.
This has to be stopped I wouldn't mind this hack if just had features like MKV support. But I am all against pirated games. If you want to play the game so badly then just go buy,rent it or borrow it from a friend. Its just that easy why steal from the developers?
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jailbrakings legal now... so no ones gonna get fined
but ya sony is def gonna try n patch this asap lets jus wait n see how it plays out...
o n takin usb off the ps3 is plain stupid if you think about it.
jailbreaking a console where the entire purpose is piracy is not
if you just call it Jailbreak, means is just jailbreak?
can i kill people on the street and say "hey, im just jailbreaking"
that is just the name for it, this is putting th ePS3 into debug mode, dev mode, which is illegal to own one
By releasing a new PS3 model without USB ports.
But being able to use your cell phone with someone other then AT&T Vs modding your PS3 to do things that screw developers out of money isn't the same.
@Neko_Mega
for some people PS3jailbreak = MKV and emulators.
besides sony probably has a bunch of hackers trying to hack the ps3 everyday to patch exploits
u use it to play backups of games u own (pretty sure it applies to the USA Canada n most of Europe) or use it to play homebrew apps n the likes...
personally id b happy if piracy wasnt an option but i wont deny its going to b used for that.
n theres no law stopping sony from patching out this exploit if they can.
edit @ morgan ya we know its going to b used for piracy but it can b used legit if you only play backups of games you own n run homebrew... n it looks like it does really work.
http://www.sankakucomplex.c...
Also, companies have the right to undo your jailbreak with a software update.
And personally I am skeptical it works. Why not show actual gameplay?
Well there you go.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
It's been confirmed, it works.
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Just days after Gamescon start, where Sony showed a lot of BIG hitters for this and the next year, someone "out of the blue" releases a 100% functional usb-mod for backing up and playing any game, looks like they got some help from "inside" if you know what I mean.
Everybody and their moms know that a very large part of PS2 success besides a big library, was the fact it can play "backup" games, so in my head, Sony is playing the ALL OUT game to take down competition once and for all.
Yes but who would really use it for that kind of stuff if they can easily get a PS3 game and save it to their hard drive without buying the game?
Plus that isn't counting people that might try to use it to mod their games to win on games like MW2 or MAG. So yeah it is best not to have it at all.
Sony doesn't need to remove anything to do it, just software to find it or force you to reformat your USB flash drive, draw back is for the people that keep game files on a USB flash drive in case of something happens to the PS3.
Well it is going to hurt them.
No, there you do not go. Do you know the definition of gameplay? If not you can save a lot of money and just download pictures of gameplay off the internet, read how the game ends and viola! You just saved $59.
And BTW, good luck finding very many PS3 games under 4GB. You see that external drive is formatted to FAT32. Let's see what you get on there...
4gb is the file size limit on fat 32, you can format much larger drives than that with fat 32. I have 500gb fat32 formatted drives.
you don't get it do you? you can have 2TB of drive but in order for the PS3 to recognized it via USB, it must be formatted as FAT32. the problem with that is the maximum size of a single file on a FAT32 formatted device must be <4GB wherelse a PS3 game sizing that small are too rare or close to not existing at all. so, what's left is your internal HDD for those backups but you can't upload it to the net either because there's currently no way you can access PS3 HDD from a pc without taking it out 1st and it's still unreadable unless if you have a special stuff on your pc for that to happen. plus you can't copy the backup to an external device either as the size will be >4GB! so, it's unless until somebody can find a way the PS3 can read games from home made BD-R, there's no other way but you have to at least rent a game to do this or wait for somebody to enable the ps3 to do the unzipping/unraring so that downloaded backup can work!
Jailbreaking is not game piracy.. don't mesh the two.. it does simplify the process, but there are plenty of other reasons to unlock the ps3 other than to facilitate obtaining free games... the ps3 linux community would love to have their other os back, and have full access to resources there(which they never could get without a hack of some sort). The whole linux side itself was awesome for researchers. I can think of just as many or more legal reasons to hack the ps3 as i can the iphone or any other phone or device. The comment about it being different is foolish.. the Jailbreak community for iphone is full of pirated apps and games(emulators and roms just to start)...
Honestly I cant help but stress that there are two different things here. there is jail breaking and then there is piracy... Jail breaking is legal no matter what system you are talking about. As long as you own the system, you can do with it how you please so long as you don't use it in a way that harms others. No one can tell you differently without infringing on your rights... it would be like toyota suing you for replacing the transmission on your car... They can't. the product is yours... However, buying that product doesn't give you the right to make copies of that car and distribute them... That falls in with copyright infringement... Thats where piracy comes into play.
summary:
Jailbreak simply means to unlock... its legal and can lead to alot of positive results.
piracy = bad, not legal, you are stealing from companies by obtaining illegal copies of some software and using it without purchase or permission from its owner... two different things..
repeat one more time... TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!
SideNote: you gotta respect the fact that the ps3 held out for a dang good long time.... The fact that it took this many years for them to finally crack the puppy is crazy.. it took all of a couple days to bust the new iphone 4 open... all other consoles have long since been hacked...
this is a *unlicensed* 3rd party device, which is going on Sale for profit with no proceeds going to Sony. Think about it.
MEANING - not authorized for sale or use, therefor illegal through TOS. If it was given out for free, the ruling would be difficult. But obviously the maker/inventor plans on making a profit.
I remember in the 1990's, with the pro action replay for the original PSX. this device could easily allow someone to play burnt games on data cd's. Heck I am guilty of it, but it was mostly to play import games.
Ironically Sony sued Datel (MAKERS of pro action replay) during the ps2 days because the PS2 Pro action replay put the PS2 into Debug mode as well
Here is the link:
http://www.betanews.com/art...
Iphone jail break = free, do it yourself.
PS3 jailbreak thumb drive is being sold....Easy law suit.
you should be able to file copy over the network and not have the 4gb size limitation from removable media.
Well well well:
http://www.tqcast.com/2010/...
And whoops!
http://www.wired.com/threat...
I do get it, but I don't think games are stored on the disk as a single huge file. If you need to store the ISO image of the game on the USB drive then yes the 4gb limit will be a problem. But having to use ISO images doesn't make sense as they are using a debug mode of the PS3. In debug mode you would want to have more fine grained access to the game resources so you can swap out individual files, that's more painful if you have to create a new ISO after each change.
Huh? Exactly zero of my 6-7 PSN games require me to be logged in to PSN. No, obviously I don't own GT5 Prologue.
I have 10 psn games and only 1 of them requires me to be logged in to PSN ,that is the one that i recently bought final fight + double inpact ,
I highly doubt Sony will even consider disabling the USB. That my friends is not the solution and it will only hamper PS3 sales and won't help them in many ways!
I guess the best to go about this is legal system. It seems that the code used to run PS3 in debug mode was stolen from Sony. Just a speculation, nothing confirmed but if that is indeed the case then Sony can easily file lawsuits that'll prevent their own IP to sold as stolen material.
Lets hope this piracy thing doesn't ruin gaming for all of us! I still can't stand the fact that because of one damn ahole (geo hotz), we had to loose our INSTALL OTHER OS feature! Stop messing with consoles and keep cracking nuts in your kitchen or whatever!
they've already been shut down!!!! PS3 FTW
EDIT:LOL " http://psjailbreak.com/&quo... HAS BEEN SHUT DOWN. That didn't take long.Good Job Sony Ur THE MAN.
http://www.ozmodchips.com/p...
All sony has to do is implement digitally signed drivers into a new update, this will then scan any usb device to check if its been signed, if it has not it wont work.
Also did anybody check the link, psjailbreak has been shutdown already.
Well done sony fight that corner
They were clearly using a DEBUG UNIT. The site has been SHUT DOWN. They were probably just trying to scam money as much money as they could from idiots eager to fork over $170, before they got caught.
The PS3 might get jail-broken some day, but with security on almost every part of the hardware, it's probably not going to come from a USB key.
Lets just sit back and watch the fanboys run around in circles for a while.
at least its not another topic about sales
Remain in your denial state of mind all you want.
Fact of the matter is the system has been jail broken.
More and more sites are review the little USB. And there is nothing we can do about it ONLY Sony can shut these guys down.
too bad, hope we don't lose features for this.
my mkv, ps2 games load my ps3 games faster, hey this is a must have for me, but don't get me wrong I still buy games except that this is like a features I been waiting for
lol you clearly don't have a ps3, there is no such thing as region lock for it.
All Sony has to do it require all thumb drives to be formatted before use.
If anything this screws over the people whom want to transfer saves.
Also this is a *unlicensed* 3rd party device, which is going on Sale for profit with no proceeds going to Sony. Think about it.
MEANING - not authorized for sale or use, therefor illegal through TOS. If it was given out for free, the ruling would be difficult. But obviously the maker/inventor plans on making a profit.
I remember in the 1990's, with the pro action replay for the original PSX. this device could easily allow someone to play burnt games on data cd's. Heck I am guilty of it, but it was mostly to play import games.
Ironically Sony sued Datel (MAKERS of pro action replay) during the ps2 days because the PS2 Pro action replay put the PS2 into Debug mode as well
Here is the link:
http://www.betanews.com/art...
This device more than likely sprung up from the tinkering of an actual Debug system (PS3). If anything this moves doesn't hurt gamers, but actually developers (Indie developers are going to get hurt) and might actually increase the prices for a PS3 test unit. Obviously this was tinkered with a debug unit (actual test unit).
And to end this short essay, this scam is going to be a big bait and switch. Sony will patch like Microsoft patched Memory card in the end of 2009. Once again read the link
http://www.betanews.com/art...
If you ordered this (if possible) get your money back as soon as possible before the website owner grabs your money and runs.
And honestly if you feel the absolute need to pirate games because you feel they aren't worth the money...just rent the damn game or do game trades online. Here is a link:
http://www.switchgames.com/...
Game fly also works for some:
Gamefly.com
People don't realize that this is a scam, and are merely frothing at the bit that TEH PS3 IZ CRAKED!.
Bubbles for having some sense.
it wont allow piracy because it only allows you to back up games that you already have on disc(thats also why this is actualy legal) i guess some people will copy a friend game here & there BUT that wont be on anymore of a scale than gamesharing..
so yeah maybe find out the real info before assuming that this will allow people to pirate games on a mass scale lol
I can't wait to run
emulators
homebrew
apps
psx games
ps3 games
and more! going to be awesome. When the dongle going to be available? I am very interested in PS3 now.
but one thing games going to take very long to download!!! 50GB?!
the PS3 to overtake the 360 and Wii in the number of console sold. Then the 360 fans can't argue sales anymore.
If this does what it says it does, in the way it claims, it's not simply going to be patched away. Look at this from an objective standpoint, not from the standpoint that Sony is all powerful and can do anything. I think it's pretty amazing it has been 4 years without a viable hack.
My god, the PS2 was hacked to hell and back and they still sell units and games in other parts of the world to this day.
the only other way is to disable usb and only let give out power to charge or disable usb to the ps3 gets into the xmb as usb will not work unless you power down the console boot up with it.
Now I'm wondering whether this will turn into a cat and mouse game like xbox 360 and PSP.
They also claim that that the feature used by Sony to force gamers to install new fw from the game has been bypassed. They also claim it's okay to play online just like the PSP.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Indeed, Xbox 360 and Wii have been hacked years.
Sure, people make something, they should be compensated. Everybody understand that. It sucks for some that some others get something for free.
Do you honestly see much innovation going on in the mainstream AAA development community? Do you think piracy is really the main reason for that? Why is it that the DS/GBA are some of the most pirated platforms around, yet they are constantly making money hand over fist? Modern Warfare has sold 20 million copies and it was pirated to hell and back. One of the most pirated games in existence, The Sims series and Spore also some of the biggest sellers in the history of gaming.
Crysis was pirated the shit out of and yet it still sold Millions of copies since it came out in 2007. I could go on and on. This list is never ending.
They are feeding you lies and you eat them up like candy. These hardware companies have created armies of loyalists and yesmen. They have done the things of a politicians wet dream.
Most of the developers out there are owned by one publisher or another... it's all of god damn pyramid scheme. Try supporting the real innovators in the marketplace... But, since those are mainly PC/MAC/Linux developers, you don't even know who I mean, do you?
You post a theory about piracy lowering sales then post 360 in the same comment. Epic Fail.. Piracy has boosted 360 sales soo much and RROD combined with piracy was golden as you couldn't send your broken 360 to MS to be repaired as it was modded.
disable all USB Ports.
:D
No? not that type of jail break? my bad
then sue the dumb *%&%&($@ is a good way to go
has it been done yet?
+1
so random
...Already I can see the logistics implications in that, so maybe a quick patch and a system check to like what xbox uses to check for flashed drives and other such mods to crack down on it?
The only thing that would permanently remove such a thing would be disabling the USB slots on the PS3 through a firmware update, but that would cause too many issues.
is the same as Rent a Game... you never buy the Game, just Rent.
so, i think this dont affect much the market...
Is not the same as Download from internet the ISO and Burn your own disk.
Is a complot from the Rental Stores ¬¬
Sony need to be highly intelligent here. I'm sure they've had a precaution to IF the PS3 eventually got hacked. I had a Direct Message from @PlayStation and they said they know about it. Nothing else. So... I know, for a fact, that they've got something up their sleeves.
i believe the data was unreadable on PC
I hope a new Firmware Update SOON stop this...
For the stupid peoplo spending 150U$D in a dongle, and BAM! Not working anymore. LOL
Edit: Anyway the new games like Killzone 3, The Last Guardian, Infamous 2, Resistance 3, Uncharted 3, and Twisted Metal will probably be released with newer firmware on discs. So if you wanna play new games, you have no choice but to update firmware.
you can use keyboards. directional keys + enter will do the job just like normal controllers
not for piracy but to shut you dumb f@cks up about how the ps3 is invincible
its still rrod proof after all ;)
j/k but dude u might want ta chill a bit i know hating is cool n all but if sony fans bother ya so much why not jus avoid the comments section?
do not like fanboys , from either console side. the truth is that i mainly play pc games , and even though there is a divide between nvidia and ati there is not the hate that there is between xbox and playstation fanboys. I also think that the playstation fanboys are more vocal and irrational than all other fanboys , so thats what predicated my previous comment.
you are
PC elitists are the worst fanboys out there. They blam other gamers of being huge fanboys yet they are the biggest and the most aggressive. PC elitists like you altimako02 talk trash about console gaming non-stop and look for any excuse to talk down on consoles and it's owners. PC elitists make me ashamed to call myself a gamer.
Funny how they find a way to even spin this news and turn on PS3 owners calling them fanboys.
Just for your information this "jailbrake" will be taken care of very esily and there are just way to many problems with it in order to work.
You think SONY will just sit by and do nothing on a system that can be easily patched???
Also, so far the PS3 is still the most secure system out there. PC is the weakest!!
Either way, i think Microsoft are going to be really worried about this news. the PS3 has been selling more year after year and its been a secure system. If its hacked, well, console sales are gonna take off. just at the time they a relaunching their console to casuals.
There is an online mode for gow3.
Publishers will just release more updates for network play to discourage piracy, but for those that don't go online, I don't think it matters much (e.g. look at Xbox, Wii).
This is bad news no matter how you look at it.
i know it could lead to piracy but from the youtube videos provided it shows no piracy just copying games over to you HDD
Unauthorized copying, rental, publi...
so as long as your not selling em n own a legit copy your golden...
I have a feeling alot of devs won't be using compression anymore so they can make the file as big as possible to cut back on piracy. I'm sure Sony will be constantly pushing out updates though to try and combat them, they did it with the psp and made it really hard to get online with alot of games and hard to get DLC or even access to the ps store.
This saddens me alot I hate piracy of games and all it does is ruin the industry, and sadly i could see Sony banning consoles like MS did.
Basically this means MKV support, PS2 BC, region unlocking DVD/BLURAY/PS1,PS2, emulators, being able to fully install all your PS3 games...
PS3 is already regionfree for the most part, and people still use.. SHOCK HORROR... DVD PLAYERS! :O They don't really give 2 winks about region compatablity.
Emualtors are a shady area and Nintendo themselves say they're illegal. Playing ROMS is CERTAINLY illegal. There a now nearly a hundred CLASSIC AMAZING PS1 games on the PSN LEGALLY... AND GROWING. Not to mention you can still grab bargains off eBay shove them in your BRAND NEW 250GB SLIM PS3 and... Wow... WTF they work!
Why do you want to install your PS3 games? They load perfectly quickly, the HDD isn't loud, the fans aren't loud... Really, the reason you need to install on 360 is because of loading and loudness (made irrelevent with 360S I guess but still...).
Yeah... Would love to hear LEGIT responses to my arguements.
Because playing the disc wears out the laser over time. If you only play your games on the hd, then there is a much smaller chance of it going out in the future.
How many people risk hacking their 360 and other consoles for emulators, region unlocking, and video support only? Not many. Most do it because they have intentions on pirating games. It's just common sense; they just want free games. Everything else is a bonus.
can someone please explain what is happening ?
btw i'm all for Ps3 online gaming so even if Ps3 is hacked its going to be useless because offline gaming is only part of the fun,the long term fun is multiplayer.
anyway what is going on here ?
i was dissapointed
"Require all users to sign up for a PS account online, if the person hasn't got the internet they can write to Sony and they will be given an access code to enter every time a game starts up. Not idealest of methods... But it may have to happen. :("
shitty idea
But I think I read that the "pirates/hackers" are working on using NTFS or some other file system. Maybe in order to avoid future complications if the fix was this simple.
we lost otheros do to people wanting more
sony isnt pissing around this time games and consoles cost too much to develop to lose anything to piracy,
they will fight and change things to stop this
and its our own fault or rather those who support this kind of thing
And someone on xbox360iso was saying that the region coding is virtual unlocked for ps3 games .
That means if you get this usb dongle it will most likely lead to custom firmware apps and probably psn games .
This also will probably lead to linux being used on the usb stick .
I really dont see how sony can stop stuff like this without limiting or removing the usb .
im not sure how they can fix that without changing debug and devkit design
however, this hack is a hack only in terms of running software, its not s hack of the cell cpu security
so at least some parts of sonys investments are still safe
i have an idea on how to stop this kind of thing in the future , im going to hash it out with friends and see if we can make it work,
I wouldn't mind this hack if just had features like MKV support. But I am all against pirated games. If you want to play the game so badly then just go buy,rent it or borrow it from a friend. Its just that easy why steal from the developers?