"I live in Britain. And much like the rest of Europe, we're always the ones who get crapped on by Big American Co. But why are we treated so poorly? I've done some maths to see just how bad we get it."
article. Not only does American companies do this but japan as well. But yeah it does suck.
are you guys slow, it is not the companies it is the anti business attitudes most of the socialist European nations have. They tax and tariff imports to death, Your government does not wnat you buying American goods, they tax the crap out of imports, plus they place unfair hurdles on American and foreign companies trying to do business in your countries, look inward before you blame America as usual.
We use the exact same hardware as in U.S. We have no special tax on electronic apppliance crossing the border. It's not transport, yet hardware is way more expensive.... Even better, a downloadable game, which is $2.99 in the U.S. is $3.99 in Canada. Same game, no transport, no box, nothing. Current exchange rate between both country is about nothing right now, so it's simply 25% more. Very hard to explain isn't it???
Jeremy, are you RETARDED or something? Why the hell don't you learn something about Europe before giving such an ignorant reply?
America does have sales tax to add to those prices, but even so I agree we are getting royally ripped off.
Not only that but we get everything last too.
Come on MS, Sony stop shafting us Brits up the aris
I've got a relative in the US who is a teacher and she earns about $35000.
In the UK the same grade of teacher would earn £35000. Which is $70000.
As the exchange rate between the £ & $ is 1:2 now.
A £425 PS3 in the UK would be $850 in the USA.
So yes we do pay more for our PS3s here in the UK but in real terms PS3 is a smaller proportion of our annual income
you get hit hard with taxes, and you pay heavily for gas.
More so than the states.
isn't that correct?
You do get free health care though
But still europe is getting screwed.
Gas (fuel) isn't actually that expensive in real terms for people in the UK.
Americans generally drive much further than the british due to the sprawling nature of their cities.
In the UK I drive a VW diesel which gets 53MPG UK.
My brother in law gets 17 MPG US (20 MPG UK) from his Buick. (and my VW is quicker).
A gallon costs me £4.22 (($8.44)
A gallon costs him $2.20 (well it did when i was last there)
$8.44 / £2.20 = 3.8
53 MPG / 3.8 = 14MPG UK
then you have to take into account the difference in earnings and you see its not that different.
And yes i do know that americans could chose to drive european economical cars. But they dont because european cars cost lots in the US.
But the best thing about our high tax high earning society here in the UK is that i can choose to holiday in the US and its almost for free due to the exchange rates and earnings difference. For someone from the US to holiday in europe it is very expensive for them.
Its all about inflation really. In Europe we have at much more regulated labor market than in the US, primarily due to very strong unions.
This means that salaries are much higher than in the US ... salary increases -> demand for goods increases -> prices on goods increases -> demand for higher salaries increases .... (this is an extreme simplification).
To give en example of this, minimum wages here in Denmark is almost 35.000 USD / year. Since prices on goods are also much higher than in the US, actual buying power is only slightly higher for a minimum waged employee compared to the US.
Considering the above, and the fact that goods imported from outside the European Union are taxed with 12% import duties + VAT (25% in Denmark, 17 % Great Britain, 16% Germany), I think its wrong to say that we are cheated by US and Japanese firms - its simply at question of different inflation, import duties and VAT.
Finally someone put a little light on this topic. A PS3 costs around 860 bucks here in Sweden and you Americans discuss whether it´s worth the money or not with the prices in USA?
Because it depends on the low exhange rates? Remember when a dolla costs more than 10SEK or more many years ago, we didn't complain because it was cheaper here.
The ps3 actually costs 670-690 € (Euros) €-------->>>$
Which is $900USD. So taxes are an excuse allthough we have higher taxes but the higher prices are not just because of taxes.
Jävla fittigt land dethär. Escalade costs $50k in the U.S and 150k € in Finland. Regular gas/bensin costs ~1,40 €/litre.
Higher Taxes(universal healthcare) and the high gas prices is a mix of taxes and they use a higher octane then we do.
We dont have free health care. Everybody who works pays a National Insurence Contribution. This in it's self is a tax as it is compulsory.
In Canada, where I live, our dollar is now worth about 94 American cents. Yet, we still pay more for all of our products imported from America. The PS3, for example, costs a whole $100 more. Sony is of course Japanese, but SCEA covers all of North America.
It's the companies, they are ripping us off simply because they can. And the ignorance of the general public allows it to take place. In Canada, we are one of the world's largest producers and exporters of oil.
In Alaska, where there is also a lot of oil production, people receive free post-secondary education, and generous kickbacks from the government.
In Saudi-Arabia, people don't pay income tax, and they receive money from the government.
In Alberta, Canada (the major oil producer of the country) we have received money from the government for our oil reserves ONCE. We pay just as much for health care as every other province, and we have massively long waiting lists for special care at our hospitals. We pay for post-secondary just like everyone else, even for skilled trade training, which perpetuates the impossible demand for skilled labour.
We export most of our oil to the United States, the richest country on the planet. Yet we still pay MORE for gasoline and diesel than they do.
It's governmental and corporate politics that cause us "foreigners" to pay more for our products.
Because of America's wealth- and from that their power- we pay more. Because the influence of politicians and the wealthy minority reaches all of us, and impacts all of us, we are forced to pay more for a product than the Americans.
So it's not just Europe, who I admit are being ripped off to a greater degree than Canadians, who pay more for American products. It's everyone who doesn't have the "privilege" of being an American citizen.
Canada and the US still operate under a free trade clause. So Canadians are very much so getting ripped off.
The health care thingy; you may have long waits, but we do to. You have free care, we don't. You also get more for the money spent on health care as the US life expectancy is only the 42nd best in the world.
Except for people in Australia and New Zealand; I'd say Canadians are the Third most ripped off nation in the world when it comes to gaming.
"Coz I'm the Tax Man....Yeah yeah the Tax Maaaaan!"
"One for you, nineteen for me...TAXMAN!"
Stop blaming America, its your Euro Draconian Taxes.
because you lost the war ya damn redcoats!
*cough* Vietnam *cough*
In Denmark a crappy vehicle like the Ford Ka costs approx. 190.000 DKR brand new, the exchange rate for the $ is 6:1. That's roughly 31.600 $ for a joke of a car. I could buy a Dodge Viper for that in the US. Same thing with everything else, however, there is a huge difference. Even though everything is cheaper in the US, the average income in Denmark is many times higher than in America. We have some of the highest GDP per Capita in the world, hence, we get higher taxes so the economy doesn't overheat. That's why we have taxes climbing over 50-60%... so naturally, the PS3 also costs 5.000 DKR, or ca. 850$. Oh... and if you reach Top-Tax that's 71% of your income. However, there's free hospitals, college, schools and healthcare globally.
Dude, your smoking Danish crack if you think you can get a Dodge Viper for 30 G's. Oh, and your 'free' hospitals, college, schools and health care is not free. That's why you are taxed out the ass. I'm not knocking it, I wish it was that way here, but it isn't. So I'll get my stuff for cheaper here and take my chances.
Oh man... do I have to write /sarcasm everytime I'm doing an exaggaration? I was pointing out that you could get a lot more for your money in the US, and I know that you can't get a Dodge.
Wow; free college. And not in a communist way either; that's definitely something that IS worth boasting.
Well, free is it not. I pay tax, a lots of it. Cry everytime when I see how much tax I pay yearly. But what da heck, I got my eduction almost for free even through it costs me 300000SEK (about 45000$) in loan :) to finance it. So the PS3 is a real cheap deal :) Just for finance the games I will need salary raise. Wonder how my employer reacts :)
In South Africa we pay the same prices as you gents in the UK for most electronic goods. We earn a touch less though relatively speaking...
I've finally got enough ash for some top gear but the problem is it's taken so long to save that now I'd rather not spend it! I was saving for a 8800GTX + widescreen || PS3 + killer TV, now I'm wondering if I shouldn't just place a down payment for a goddamn houseloan!
Same here in Australia, we're being shafted by both the government and the big manufacturers... including Microsoft ( XBox 360 ) and Sony ( PS3 )...
Higher wages and taxes do not add that much to the price.
So what if we have a health system paid from taxes.
so what if a US teacher earns less than in the UK, have they had to pay $400,000 for a 2 bedroom house.
To reduce the price in one region and not another is disgusting.
It's not companies that charge more, it's our high taxes. We are given "free" healthcare, education and that money has to come from somewhere.
Sweden for the Win
So what your saying is that we pay $300 more in taxes for example for a ps3? LOL NO. 690€uros is a joke.
We pay higher taxes and as a result, good which are imported into Europe tend to have a higher tax percentage on them. If we had lower taxes, good imported into Europe would be less expensive.
Edit: To solve your problems, I suggest you move :P
Because we get taxed to much for people coming in are country getting a job and house just like like that and we have to works of are arses to get. Word of advice dont comes to uk.
£425 for a ps3 sounds alot but this article forgets you get 3 games plus a controller plus a hdmi cable as well, most offer a choice of games too
now if you add these on top of the usa ps3 its a little bit closer and rememeber the ps3 uk includes tax
the 360 elite is £399 no games,no wifi, no hd drive no hdmi cable
And why the hell should I pay for games that I DON'T WANT???!?
They think just because I live in the country i do( refer to flag)
that they can charge me what they do?
I don't understand, I mean is it that they are spoiling you and missing with me? I don't understand?
make like $30 an hour or something like that so they can afford s@#t.
Take VAT out of European pricing and it's not much of a difference. Maybe $60-$70.
We don't pay 300 bucks of VAT for each console...
the big american companies are just hungry for money. they would lose so much profit if it wasn't for the europeans. but at least europeans aren't fat.
I think it was your statement that tossed this blanket on my head. You mind getting it off, or are you going to go with the Americans are dumb blast next?
Christ this is worse than the 360 Vs. PS3 debates around here. Country fanboy wars...
And why do we also pay more for downloadable content? Is it the "socialist inport taxes in Europe" too?
Give me a break...
More than 40% in VAT? Who the hell are you kidding?
even with exchange rate in canada, and europe, all things in canada are more expensive, so is in europe, because if you take in account the average european worker and average american worker and ave canadian, the ave canadian and ave european get a lot more salary then american.
if you take a look to my country you see that the average joe earns 500 to 600€ and a xbox360 cost 400€ and a ps3 cost 600€. The best place to live is in PORTUGAL. ( we are ripedoff by the people in top of it). We used to say " the prime minister of PORTUGAL will give free to all of us condoms with curves, to fuc_k us right and left"
Please do not complain. I live in a 3rd world country (Mexico) and I had to pay 920 USD for my PS3, I guess where I live their isn't an enourmous middle class.
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