An Italian American service organization claims that Take-Two releases a game full of racism and "humiliates" the whole community of Italian Americans. Given their druthers, Mafia 2 must not be released before changing the game's message.
... I guess it wouldn't be racist if the game would only be about white. blonde-haired, blue-eyed middle-aged men going to work... Oh wait, yeah it would. It's a game about the MAFIA. It's not discriminating all italians, but it IS about a slice of american history and the role the italian immigrants played in that era, of which a few played a very negative role (criminal). Geez, always these topics about 'racism'. Some people need to grow some skin and learn to accept that people are equal, yet also different, and there's NOTHING wrong when some of those differences get highlighted, be it in movies, games, humour, whatever! We need to get a lot less sensitive about those differences, and worry more about REAL racism, about REAL poverty, and basically, about REAL problems!
I totally agree - however, I find it sad that these organizations or whatever try to get media interest by getting mad about a video game. How could Take-Two NOT release Mafia? Fortunately such accusations don't have this weird range (yet)...
... in fact, I'd go as far as to say that these organisations have a more negative impact on 'Italians', than any videogame could ever have. Simply because they're reacting so oversensitive to a non-issue, while claiming to speak for their community (I'm pretty sure 90%, or more, of the italian community couldn't care less) Listen, organisations like these are going to moan about EVERYTHING. Joey on Friends? 'ow, he's a negative stereotype of the Italian-American, cause he's a dumb womanizer who eats too much!' Robert DeNiro in Raging Bull? 'ow, he's a violent loud-mouthed woman-beater with a short temper, so he's a negative stereotype of the Italian-American!' Etc etc. They should just shut the hell up and enjoy entertainment for what it is; entertainment. Instead, they choose to get offended by it all. I guess they only want to see 1 certain specific type of perfect Italian-american rolemodel in every movie, tv series, book, videogame, etc etc. That would get pretty damn boring pretty damn fast.
Absolutely. And I have to say: My perception of this organization (which I admittedly hadn't ever heard of before) isn't the best one now ...
Why is this article here? Where is the one about japanese people and the yakuza playstation games? Nowhere of course. Cos its all nonsense
They are discriminating gamers!
The thing is alot of Italians themselves feed into the mafioso stereotype. Stop talking and acting like wannabe wise guys and there wouldn't be this problem.
Ay you cana talka like thata tooo me... I slapa your face :-)
LOLz + bubble
I bet they complained about this as well - http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Joe Pesci made Italian-Americans look like deplorable human beings long before Mafia 2 came along. Try about 20 years ago.
"Is Mafia 2 Intentionally Discriminating Italian Americans? An Italian American service organization claims that Take-Two releases a game full of racism and "humiliates" the whole community of Italian Americans." rofl And what about the Italians of the world? huh? "Mafia 2 must not be released before changing the game's message" Mind your own pasta business!
This isn't discrimination, this is a part of the history of organized crime, and if the Italian mafia were portrayed without seeming at all Italian it would be tenfold as offensive in my opinion.
They are pissed about this game, but not Jersey Shore? What the fuck?
Can you blame this Italian group, they have seen african americans yell racism for centuries and get paid, they are just trying to get a share of the money. As was mentioned earlier, we need to toughen our skin. Sticks and stones may hurt my bones, but words will never hurt.
That only works if you're black though.
Wait, what money? I guess I missed out!!!
I'm certain no one at Take Two is racist against Italians, it's just that they're ignorant and use stereotypes to sell their game. Many you guys are saying this Italian group that are offended are just crazy, but you know what? You guys are letting your love of gaming blind you to the fact that games are absolutely as suseptable to being racist or using stereotypes as any other form of media out there: movies, TV, books, etc. You guys really need to separate your love of games for a bit and see this from the perspective of an ethnic minority. Wait, who am I kidding? this is N4G, the most multi-cultural any of you ever get is going to eat at Taco Bell lol !!!!
1. There's no need to be condescending. 2. Look at the context of the game. It's set in the 1950s and that wasn't the most culturally/ethnically sensitive era. Even more importantly, even though there are other ethnicities that engage in organized crime, most people equate the word "mafia" with Italians. Hollywood has reinforced this idea for decades, not that that matters. The same Italians reinforce the stereotype themselves. Ever heard of John Gotti? As recently as the 1990s you had the Italian mafia in headline news. And guess what. It's not like they disappeared after Gotti's arrest. That's not to say all Italians are in the mafia, but it's kind of hard to bitch about something that is a part of your ethnic culture as being racist without sounding like an asshole.
So... ...you think the mafia consisted of stand-out well-adjusted citizens who spoke perfect english and were well-mannered!? I guess all those documentaries on The Discovery Channel and National Geographics etc are also 'racist'...(!)
ER-AM Thanks for actually giving me a good reply. I threw in that last snarky bit in my first comment to get a decent conversation going. But isn't it funny how some, like you, got offended by that, yet you find it odd that an Italian could get offended by a stereotype in a videogame? This is what I meant by saying gamers are too obsessed with gaming itself to approach these issues from both sides. But....while I agree with your point about depiction of the Mafia in Hollywood, you must agree that games are well far behind at executing masterful storylines, especially ones dealing with race. There are exceptions of course but very few. If you actually can tell me with a straight face that Mexican ppl were portrayed fairly in Red Dead, then I can tell you don't get out much. YI-Long I don't think you can compare documentaries, which are supposed to present facts, to a work of fiction, which doesn't bear any resposibiliy to present factual information. I don't think your comment was logical at all.
Seriously?! Half of these B.S. blogs just want hits. And thanks to N4G, always gets traffic hits.
OF COURSE IT BLOODY IS! We don't want to play a game about Italian immigrants that went on to become doctors or lawyers. We don't want to play a Western game about the people who built towns and had steady jobs during the gold rush! We don't want to play a beat em up about people who like Manga rather than spend their entire lives training a martial art. Are they indicative of typical behaviour of these people? No! And only a moron would think otherwise.
Enough of this crap. First the discussion about MOH and Taleban and now this? C'mon it's a friggin game!
"Was GTA San Andreas Intentionally Discriminating African Americans?" Maybe, but I'm african american myself and I enjoyed the hell out of the game. Yes they were using stereotypes accurate to how black gang members in LA were back in the days but that just made the game more immersive and better. There's no need to sugar coat images of a certain race as long as they aren't obviously degrading in the eyes of the *masses* of who they portray. I bet this organization is just in a minority of italian americans who feel this way, just like not all african americans are offended by The Boondocks even though you see a few blacks on tv all the time that think they represent the whole race b!tching about the show.
almost all italian people i know are proud to be associated with the mafia cause its "cool", even if they are not. i dont think most italians take it as racism, just the ones looking for lawsuits. lawyers, the legal mafia.
Lmao my itslian friend couldnt be anymore excited for this game. He always say, "See this is why Italians dont get f#cked with!" Anyway, people need to stop being so damn sensitive about this stuff. It's life, this happened, deal with it.
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