Ripten.com examines the facts in an effort to get to the bottom of the GTA IV delay. They take a hard look at what was said, promised, and what ultimately went down.
Halo 3 releases on Sept.25th. Rockstar could have released GTA4 in Oct, Nov, or Dec. I don't think that any company would want to miss the Holiday season just bc of Halo 3. They would only be hurting themselves in the end. Besides these two games aren't even in the same genre.
Either the game is not on schedule or the PS3 version is crippled. Time and time again the PS3 version of games is delayed or has framerate issues if released simultaneously with the 360 version. Just look at Madden and NCAA...crippled. And GRAW2 and Rainbow Six Vegas needing almost a full year delay just to be up to par. Not to mention that the only version ever shown was the 360 version and the PS3 demo was a no-show at E3.
Why you guys keep saying all we see is the 360 version? Yet I havent seen game play footage form neither system,and R* had the Dev kits around the same time as first party...I dont think its ps3 personally its the 360 with the lack of a HDD..we all know GTA isn't pushing the limits far as graphics go and both platforms can easily achieve the graphics now it comes to space and how big they want the game to be and the HDD issiue Ms even said they would try and push the game back if HDD is a issue for any of there games but you xbox fans will never admit that...
Maybe now is a good time for 360 owners and PS3 owners to stop pointing fingers at each other and start thinking about the possibility that this is all about money.
If you owned a company and you had your big money game ready to hit the shelves but you got word that another big game would also be coming out within just a few days time of yours, and that company was Microsoft, and that game was Halo 3, would you...
A) Go up against a multi-industry giant with deep pockets.
B) Hold off and release it a few months later to an eager fan base with out as much competition.
I think its funny the main reason 360 people think its the PS3 fault is it that we haven't seen anything of the PS3 version and it wasn't at E3 because $50 million could not have anything to do with it. that it couldn't have been in the contract so Microsoft gets more publicity that its on the 360. I personally think it has nothing to do with any of the consoles they just wanted to polish it more or they found a huge bug in the game.
I don't buy the excuse that Rockstar doesn't want to compete with the Microsoft AAA title Halo3, becaue by delaying it to Q2 2008 they will be competing with another AAA title in MGS4.
there are 0 pre orders for HALO 3 in JAPAN and EU
only a million pre-orders have so far been received for HALO 3 despite markrting it for a year or so.
GTA would sell all over the world incluidng NA /JAPAN and EU.
HALO 3 willl only sell a million or so in NA only .
x360 is thhe dead console in EU and JAPAN and has been overtaken by ps3 in NA too
You say it is bc of the 360 core lacking HDD bc you live in an alternate Sony reality.
If you would look at the facts that most multiplatform games are delayed on PS3 and usually have poorer framerates you will realize that the PS3 version is usually the problem.
There are many games that prove this to be true..FEAR, NCAA, Madden, GRAW2, RS Vegas,.etc...etc. I'm sure you will bring up OBLIVION but that game also had a year extra development time.
The simple fact is you base your assumptions on blind hatred and emotion. I have just provided you a list of many games to prove that my scenario is more likely.
Can you name any games that are inferior on 360 bc of lack of HDD on the core model??
I didn't think so.
I realize that what I said is also only a theory but a more plausible one than your Yellow Brick Road jiberish. It must be nice to live in your padded room when there is this thing called "reality" going on all around you.
I'm not saying your dumb or anything, but man are you stupid!
"Time and time again the PS3 version of games is delayed or has framerate issues..."
The ps3 clearly has a history of problems. Look at Lair. That is a game that supposedly "did it right" ... Yet they also had to have a delay because of all the framerate issues. Nothing but problems for the ps3. Thanks Sony for screwing us up with the delay.
I said this once and i will say it again the only dev that opened his mouth was????????? Dan Houser... and what did he said???????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAH GTA beeing delayed by halo????? Dont make me laugh GTA San andreas ALONE outsold Halo and halo 2 COMBINED and thats a FACT
No pre orders for Halo 3 in the EU and Japan? No wonder you have no tracks and 67 ignores!
Well if noone is ordering it, why is it at the top of Amazons chart?
For all we know R* probably just wasn't pleased with the game and wanted time to make it perfect, making it perfect for everyone.
Because several developers mentioned that PS3 is easy to develope. It exclude the "because PS3 had to develope" reason.
Halo 3 reason seem a little far fetched....
Due to the fact having space problem on X360 it might be true on that because of HDD.
IMO It may be the HDD problem or they are polishing the game to make it perfect, which I more think its polishing one.
... the only thing i have heard is that the PS3 is hard to develope for, not that its easy to develope
^^^F!ck that bullsh!t^, we all know it's the ps3 and its development issues because it's a sh!tty system. The HDD has nohing to do it, both trailer were done on 360 first and development went on the game first, 360 version is done it's the ps3 one they need to perfect.
with your stupid comment's you prove that you know absolutley nothin and you smoke the big un now go on home your mum's callin
rhezon you moron do remember that gta4 was supposed to be a ps3 exclusive, hence being made for the ps3 first then ported to the 360, if you want to compare systems and whos shifty, tell me arsswipe what makes the ps3 a sh@@tty system you poor [email protected]
Before the game got delayed to 2008, Rockstar themselves said:
"The PS3 version will be delayed for 'weeks'"
I'm pretty sure that in the end that 'weeks' was a bit too much to release it good for Christmas. So they had to delay it because of their contracts with Sony that a 360 version can't be released to far ahead of the PS3 version.
Where are you pulling that quote from?
mart you f#cking idiot they said it was a "week behind" not delayed you idiot.
Rockstar said that the PS3 version was two weeks behind schedule.
Just a correction, they did not say the PS3 version will be delayed.
Why two weeks behind goes to eight months deley.
GTAIV delay guessing topics is enough, It's just a lack of Rockstar's project management.
Nobody know what happened if Rockstar talk about it.
Rhezin f#ck that bullshit we all know is the xbox 360 and its last gen dvd9 that can fit such a big game like gta4 and dont tell me look at mass affect they were able to barely fit it and gta4 is way bigger ps3 is done its the xbox3fixme that they need fix.
The ps3 cause this delay its too hard to develope, with the 360 tools you can make a game within 7days - with the ps3 about 7months or so.
and for sure they did'nt need to dely it just because of halo 3 GTA4 would have sold more units than that pc shooter what ever the reason it don't matter we got plenty of title's to lookk forward to and whet it does get released GTA4 will be worth the wait
bunch of nonsense, go cry to Sony to buy Rockstar
You do understand that Rockstar has been in financial trouble lately right? And that coupled with the fact that Manhunt is delayed until further notice putting GT4 out on only one console would be extremely risky. They'd be putting alot of faith in the prayer that people would run out and buy PS3s to play their game. Some diehards will buy only this game and a system but not with a price tag of either $560 or $660 In having a multiplat game they will make more money and be able to develop more games. Everyone wins!
By the way people in the industry speculate between 1 and 4 million preorders for Halo 3.Thats why Haze and UT3 are timed exclusive.
I'm glad its delayed not much comes out in Spring anyways and there are way to many games to play this fall/winter.
i agree with you loft it should have stayed exclusive. ms probably payed rockstar to elay the game because of halo, ms is trying to downplay all their 360 issues and release halo with no comp would only increase good pr for them. just another brainwashing scheme for the communists
...and we've got enough of that already.
whatever circumstances may be, we're not getting the game this year!
Even if it is the ps3/xbox 360's fault, then what you're gonna do? point fingers? bloat? prove a point to some people online that you'll most likely never meet?
on the other hand, can someone SERIOUSLY tell me why all ps3 games are getting delayed and the 360/PC ones always come out on time. Regardless
of them being "crappy" games, they still go through same development...
and there is an issue.
They should include banning fanboys, option.
That would be very, very nice.....
Make the game as good as possible before they release it.
I don’t buy the whole release date because of Halo 3. If H3 was released in Sept. then why not release GTA4 in Nov. or Dec. that’s enough time for Halo sales to slow down. Anyway, i don’t really care since i’m not buying GTA4 anyhow. Just my 2 cents
Since the game has been delayed, ive been thinking whether they'd make a demo for gta iv, to make up for the delay. It would be cool if they were bringing it out, since Saints Row did release a demo of their game last year.
Oh, that's right...because the admins are idiots. My bad. :o
Ok Tom Selleck, go crawl into your Magnum PI car and drive back to the 80s...
I think he's right. this site is called "news for gamers" not speculation and my opinions for gamers. Less speculation and more fact is what we need.
Become contributors and go find some of the real news you want. Either do that or quit moaning.
ever thing, they wanted more developing time
This looks a little biased, just by the picure. I don't see how the PS3 or 360 fanboys are so different in their thinking. It comes down to this, both consoles have challenges that must be overcome. Which one was it? Neither or both equally, quite likely. So was it Halo 3? No, its a totally different game, and they know they would sell more just before the holidays even if they were making a FPS with a linear storyline with multiplayer being the big draw. GTA delaying because of Halo would be like Mario being delayed because of Metriod; there is no comparison.
I think the finger should be pointed right at Rockstar for this. My theory is that both consoles posed challenges that they could not get over fast enough, and finally, in all their rushing to get their game out there on time, they realized 2 things. They saw crappy games don't sell, by all the bad games going to the Wii and not selling, and a game that bad would ruin the GTA franchise. Even if they hadn't look at that, they also no doubt realized that what they have at this point is a glitchy mess, and rushing it wasn't going to fix it.
I think they could get the game out on time for both consoles, but it wouldn't be good on either, because, quite likely, they are well behind where they want to be (there would be no major delay just because a console is hard to develop for), and the game released in anything like its curret form would do nothing but hurt their bottom line much more than the extra development time.
Roof -- did you even read the article? Did you even look at the full picture? I am going to guess no to both.
The article tries to debunk the PS3/360 finger pointing and points the finger back to Take Two, and the picture (if you click read full article and look at it in its entirety) shows both consoles deflecting blame towards the other.
Maybe they just realized that they were falling behind schedule and noticed that they would need extra time to develop the game to be the best that it can be. Does this logical reason not make sense to people? Would you rather play a crappy gta game in a few months or a great gta game in a few more months?
next gen systems will require next gen media to support "BIGGER" games.
it would only be a matter of time for R* to learn ps3 programming.but you can't continue to force bigger games on smaller media.there's only so much compression you can do.
you will never be able to fit an adult elephant into a mini cooper.
"if it don't fit,you must go ahead and quit."
ps3 will handle gta4 and any future gta.you can't say the same for 360.as 360 gamers would say,"microsoft will have a new system in just 2 1/2 to 3 years."then 360 gamers will have to upgrade again.why bother forcing games on last gen media?
last gen discs
last gen memory cards
last gen hdmi
last gen cord controllers*(core)
last gen text communities
20 gig drive limited in size because of BC rquirements
ps3-future proof for years to come.
360-future upgrades for years to come.
..................mag lev super train.............
Is it the Halo 3 rumor again?? Google it and see that this rumor occurred months ago, sometime in june already!
Its funny how people didn't see this coming, the games is suppose to come out in oct but at E3 they didn't show any game footage. They knew the game was behind schedule and they just waited till the last minute to tell people. Look the game is not coming out till next year can't we all just let it go and move on. It makes no sense to post comments pointing fingers at each other(fanboys)its not going to help what so ever.
Hmmm, Halo 3, PS3 development problems, or 360 HDD... let's see.
- The Halo 3 release date is unlikely to have impacted GTAIV hugely. September is pretty early to release a big holiday game. Knowing that Halo 3 will sell significant numbers regardless of release date perhaps MS have 'given' publishers the more lucrative November launch window.
- Look at how many games have been pushed on the PS3... Fatal Inertia, Juiced 2, Lair to name three off the top of my head. The weight of evidence is there, so it does sound plausible that this could be a reason.
- I doubt that at such a late stage of development R* would suddenly realise they HAVE to use the HDD. It's possible they need to cache a large amount of data to keep the game world seamless. I'd be surprised if they've only just worked this out 3-4 months before the original release date.
So, what can be concluded?
Possibly the PS3 being hard to develop for, based on the simple fact that more PS3 games get pushed than 360 games.
The there's the hugely outlandish idea (sarcasm) that maybe R* just needed more time to finish the game.
However, I think it's much more likely that Take Two need all the help they can get in the next financial year. FY07 was shot to pieces... http://ir.take2games.com/Re...
By pushing their 'cash cow' in to the next financial year (after April 08) they see a healthier bank balance when they next report earnings.
woohooo more rumors!
This game isnt completed they never showed an in-game footage. Also ms fault becuz they now this would of been a ps3 hit destroying their halo3 sale so they threw a wrench in the production of this game.
How do you propose MS threw a spanner in the works?
Halo 3 already has over 1million pre-orders, I doubt MS were really concerned about how many units of GTAIV were going to ship on the PS3. Especially with a simultaneous release on both consoles.
The two trailers for GTAIV were done using the in-game engine on the 360 version. So while we haven't seen any game play footage, we have seen the quality of the in game graphics.
no ingame footage shown! what are you smoking?
AND I THOUGHT I WAS MAD
THERE'RE TRYING TO CONJURE UP SOMETHING THATS NOT THERE. IM PRETTY SURE THAT THERE #S WERE MANIPULATED B/C THE GRAPHIC ARE SH!TTY AND THE TONS OF DELAYS. I DONT BLAME ROCKSTAR FOR NOT WANTING TO RELEASE ITS ITS TOP PRIORITY GAME NEXT TO THE JAUGANAUT THAT IS HALO 3. NO BODY WANTS TO MAKE GAMES FOR THE SYSTEM B/C ITS TOO HARD AND LACKLUSTER GRAPHICS RESULTING. 360 IS THE SHIIUT!!!!
While in my opinion all the trailers we saw were not graphical like you saying. Can you next time kindly NOT type everything in CAPS? It just makes it harder to read and make people to ignore you.
Good read.....BUT Who knows?!
And since a bunch of people seem to have missed it...
ALL public showing of GTAIV have all been developed and run on Xbox 360 exclusively, verified by both MS and R* (you can hear it during the e3 conference, in fact).
Of course they only showed it for the xbox 360, why would they show it for both the 360 and the PS3, GTA4 looks the same on both consoles anyway, it would just be pointless
It Was Bill Gates fault dey bribe dem SO DEY CAN DELAY IT N HALO 3 Wont have eny competition n it will go @ be 1 off the biggest sellers ever screw u bill gatesi hope u get aids for having anal sex with ur friends
Who cares if it was lack of hard drive on one of the 3 360's or if its because the PS3 is a technolgy that very few ppl have used!
It doesnt matter cuz we are both waiting till 08 for this game and when it comes out we will know what the real deal is with these issues!
Peace out my fellow gamers and u should all just enjoy what u have and not feel the need to dismiss others just because they have something u dont!
Would be funny though if XBL gets a GTA IV demo in October and the PS3 doesn't get it.
Then PS fanboys would go crazy
I personally think it's the fault of the 360, not because of lack of hard drive exactly, but because the DVD disc. A blu-ray single layer holds 25 gigs, a hd-dvd which for a 360 to run requires an external player that cost nearly $200. So tell me how they are going to fit a game that will be larger then San andreas which was said to hardly fit on DVD-9 (dual layer dvd) going to fit on the same exact disk?
Oblivion fits on a SL-DVD
Mass Effect fits on a DL-DVD
A big world isn't demanding that much for disc space. Many CGI movies are. Like the PS3 games will be probably because they 'need' to use BR discs. Much movie/CGI stuff, less gameplay. Not my type of gaming
Oblivion fits on a SL-DVD
Mass Effect fits on a DL-DVD
and thats as big as games get?
MASS EFFECT you cant just FREE TRAVEL.
and OBLIVION everyone says the same thing, and everything looks the same.
so, those are GREAT GAMES but not a good example of how detailed a game can be.
you act the like START is the END.
People are educated now, just like years ago with CD's .
You NEED a bigger capacity for a better game..
Anyone who wants to regress and not advance is really just missing the point of how technology advances in all aspects including video games.
A larger capacity is needed all the time, and will continue to grow.
Some of these childish views from people remind me of the old computer days where they would say an old floppy 5" was plenty enough to hold a good game...
Come on... grow up, grow with the times, and stop cutting and pasting information that makes you think your information is "cutting edge"
The Mart Seriously thinks new games would not be BETTER on a larger capacity disc? lol
If anyone believes that, I have a bridge to sell you...
The Bottleneck 3 and Beta blu-ray player are advanced systems for advanced times.
If i wanted to live in the past, i would have a VHS player working with my TV instead of a Blu-ray player/dvd upscaler.
No need too point fingers or get worked-up over it. Should be stellar no matter which system you play it on.
R* has given SONY 2 exclusives, recently.
R* could become 1st party(rumor)
R* has said there having troubles w/ getting it on DVD.
I think there wait for MSs super COMPRESSION tool, their working on.
and the ps3 is the problem.
Theoretically, Halo 3 could stop the earth from revolving around the sun.
If its ready on one system just give it to us already, if one system is a problem then just can it. Or at least give us a demo until march.