Forget how well the hardware and software stack up. Is it the PR gaffs and disappointing marketing decisions that cost companies sales in the multi-billion dollar gaming market?
ATM, yeah they were with the recent problems surrounding the 360, the whole media was against them but i think they are getting their grove back now..
I dont know whats up with the retarded HDMI cable bs, since its digital a moderate quality $10 cable(using it for my PS3 and it looks great) will do fine.
people complain about a 1x purchase if a HDMI cable but i never here people talk about the mulit. batteries or charge packs u have to buy to use M$ controllers.
RED RING of DEATH.
how the hell do you spin that in a positive way ?
Makes an awesome night light?
Actually, the way you spin it is by giving customers the assurance that the problem will be taken care of if something happens to it. That's enough for most people.
Is news4gamers.com loosing its mojo. Yes I believe it is or possibly already has
Makes an awesome night light?
Actually no, that isn't enough for most people. There is no way to spin that. The only way to fix the negative pr is to give people a product they can actually rely on. Trust me, "it won't break" sounds a whole lot better than "if it breaks we'll fix it fast".
Who out there can actually say that their stuff is never going to break? I mean, really?
It's "Inigo Montoya". If you have to steal your user name from a movie, at least check the spelling of the character's name you are using.
i agree. the RROD and disc scratching issues. you can't spin these. nor should they even try. they should be trying to FIX THESE PROBLEMS. also, they seem to be putting all of their PR into halo3 to the point that the console and its' other games don't exist. better that they re-focus on their system and ALL THEIR GAMES;not just one.
thats quite an assumtion there Gil.
i know how its spelled.
and i know why i spelled it the way i did.
keep judging people.
Microsoft does have the hardware problem, but they have responded to it well. Rather than bury the truth, they admitted the design flaw and own up to it.
Sony has had the worst PR in video game history since E3 2006. When has there been any positive news about Sony since then?
Nintendo has had the best PR and I'm shocked. The average Joe knows about the Wii, and that shows good PR.
"Sony has had the worst PR in video game history since E3 2006. When has there been any positive news about Sony since then"
stop living in the past.
Exclusive after exclusive.
Every First Party Game.
G4 likes them now.
that about the last month.
what else were you expecting?
Sony's had some pretty good PR for the last couple of months. They really pulled out all the tricks at E3. When Jack gave Kaz a hard time about Ridge Racer I think that was one of the best PR moves I've seen lately.
Yeah, after a year and a half we threatened with lawsuits.
Its good they're finally doing the right thing but I see no reason to praise them for that. Honestly its that bad they should just about do a full recall. If it was a car or something a bit more life threatening there would be no debate, it would be a guarantteed recall.
And Sony have had nothing but good news since GDC. Where have you been?
dude common. don't be a fanboy. Msoft didnt own up to this issue for about 1 1/2 yr and they knew its was faulty long before then. Sony has had the worst PR in the history of gaming?? Ever since E3 2006 thats like 1 yr get serious. In case you havnt noticed, upon all the bad press after bad press for the ps3, sony has done a good job because they have at least convinced a significant number of people since e3 to buy their console.
I just can't wait for warhawk to hit, IMO the first truly original and solid title since the ps3 launched.
noone is questioning whether or not SNE has had problems in the past. We know they did...hell all companies do at some point. It all comes down to how they handle it. From rootkit debacles and drm mangmn't, laptop batteries, the rash of early (battleship) PS2 failures, the problems with Kotaku, Lik-Sang, E3 KILLZONE '05, to the recent little wierd bugginess of the PSN EU store DLC games. But imo, time and time again SNE has moved to quickly shut these stupid incidents down and deliver and if that means throwing money at the problem sooner than later, then so be it...but don't let it drag, and drag, and drag out in the public eye's......this is suicide folks....
There's a whole helluva lot of people that aren't on N4G and can't recognize what's real and what's bunk...and that kind of perception is difficult to sway without massive PR efforts...
I can't believe it, but I think they are really starting to listen to what the hell we're complaining about. If not they're doing a good job of fooling me at the time, because the PS3 and PSN has delivered in my house, and I know it will only get better. This is barely a 9 month year old infant who was delayed at birth, built it's online from scratch (and is free), is expensive, has yet to receive the pipeline of games lined up, has endured an endless tsunami of bad press, and yet it's already dealing beautifully with it's counterpart in the nex-gen dept.....naturally...it will only get better and better
Besides, this story is about MS's bad PR, not SNE's. =]
MS ADMITTING A DESIGN FLAW? WHERE ARE YOU LIVING? THEY CONTINUALLY DENY THERE IS ANY DESIGN FLAWS AND IN THE SAME BREATH THEN SAY THEY ARE MAKING "IMPROVEMENTS" TO THE HARDWARE.
Beavis is right. MS never admited there is a problem.
it's just too bad that the person that was getting them to that point decided to bail for EA and get the hell out of that volcano.
Something tells me that decision was made for him. It appears that the 360 is going through a major PR overhaul, and as part of that the face of the system had to change. New games, new hardware configuration, new public face.
We'll see how it all goes from here out. What was the name of that new guy again anyway?
bad pr from defective 360's
NO PR can change the reality of a PRODUCT not WORKING.
Sometimes less is more though. Trust me. I am a Sony fan and even I would cringe reading some of the PR comments made before E3.
Microsoft doesn't ever really shove their foot in their mouth, but they also don't really tell anyone much either. I would still love to know the REAL defect rate of the 360. If they were a little more forthcoming with information like that I would probably have bought one by now.
Gee, let's just sum up:
* The first Xbox was pulled early from the market due to the poorly designed hardware that racked up some 5 billion in losses for Microsoft.
* They rushed a complete POS replacement out the door
* The early models were dying all over the place at store diplays and magazine companies
* Microsoft decided to ignore the problem and ship the defective POS console anyways
* 360 graphics were so bad everyone was calling it the Xbox 1.5(or worse)
* 360s crappy 12x DVD chews up people's game discs
* 360s crappy 12x DVD drive spins so fast and are so poorly made they make the 360 the loudest console ever made
* Microsoft's crappy online service costs 50 dollars every year just to be ALLOWED to play games online. Online charges will add 200-250 dollars to the price of the 360 over its life time making it cost 600-650 you are paying for the turd of a console.
* Even though Microsoft bilks 360 owners out of 50 dollars every year they can't even give gamers dedicated servers for lag free online games. Instead 360 owners get games with crappy and laggy p2p networking like Gears of War and Halo 3.
* Microsoft spent two years lying to the public about the defective by design 360 hardware and then had to finally come clean and spend 1.1 billion dollars just to fix the RRoD problem and not even including the defective disc scratching drives
* Microsoft put their weight behind the dead HD-DVD format selling a giant ugly 200 dollar addon for the format that they are now abandoning and leaving the tiny number of people dumb enough to buy it looking like suckers
* The crappy 360 DVD drive actually has 1 gig LESS storage than the PS2 and Xbox did last gen and has even their own published game companies complaining about it in public. And even worse the crappy 360 DVD has gimped big name titles like GTA IV and caused Rockstar to delay the game while they figure out how to put a city sized free roaming game onto a smaller disc than last gen.
* They had to fire Peter Moore after being dumb enough to hire a guy whose only real competence appears to be in getting his ass kicked by the PS2(WTG Peter the PS2 beat your ass across three consoles(Dreamcast,Xbox,Xbox 360) and two companies(Sega,Microsoft) in three different generations! High five guy!)
* The 360 is dead in both Japan and Europe and selling at a slightly slower rate than the first Xbox. The 360 is surviving off of the very same hardcore 10-15 million existing US Xbox fans only. The rest of the gaming world continues to not give a crap about the system and its games after six years in the market and some 7 billion dollars wasted.
The problem for Microsoft is they have 10-15 million pathetic fanboys who will buy Xbox consoles no matter how crappy they are and how crappy the games like Halo 3 look. And those 10-15 million foaming at the mouth Xbots are all the marketshare Microsoft will ever get.
...but most of them are.
The fanboyism is very evident in your post. Some of your points may have had some merit, but your negative tone makes them null. It's one thing to dislike Microsoft and their 360, however the way you stated it was just pathetic.
Hey Waggle: Here's some Flamebait to counter your Flamebait:
HALO 3 & Xbox360 WILL DOMINATE this holiday, along with Mass Effect & Bioshock, no matter how much you cry & flame.
Sony's reason for the BRD being in there was to win the *Movie* Format war. While more than enough space is useful, in a lot of ways, I can't argue that. They forced developers into justifying the Extra space, while most of the early games are still lack luster. Of course that may change, but if BRD and space was the real deal, then how did Xbox 360 win all of these awards ?
Best E3 Console Game--Mass Effect*
Best E3 RPG-- Mass Effect*
Best E3 Action Game--COD4(multiplat)
Best E3 Action/Adventure--Bioshock*
Best E3 Sport Game--Madden 08(@60 FPS)
Best E3 Online Multiplayer--Halo 3*
Best E3 Fighting Game--Virtua Fighter 5(Online via XBL)
Best E3 Game not Mentioned--GTAIV(episodic content)
Wow, alot of awards for dvd9 games... where are the PS3 exclusives' ?
Did you see Gphoria ? Best Console = Xbox 360 + GOTY = Gears of War
SONY is *4.3 MILLION* consoles behind M$. Xbox360's software currently outsells Nintendo & PS3, & that's BEFORE Bioshock, Mass Effect, & Halo3 ! - Ouch. Unless the PS3 dramaticly increases it's abysmal hardware & software sales, more & more developers are going to continue to drop off.
BluRay Gaming ?
*The extra space that has been used on Bluray disks for PS3 games has been used for...
1) The duplication of data (so that the INCREDIBLY slow laser read speed doesn't handicap the system with respect to increased loading times - think Oblivian!)
2) Carefully placed filler and/or junk code so that Sony's first party developers could come out and say that they could not have made the game if not for the increased capacity of Bluray (i.e. Resistance anybody?).
3) Hours & hours of CG footage. Exactly how does that contribute to gameplay ?
Okay, now let's take a *brief* look at Sony PR:
Paying people to advertise their PSP through graffiti, puting programs in music files that make systems at risk of viruses, claiming CG trailers are gameplay footage, now phasing out the 60gb model & denying it, supposed PS3 "pricecut", all their games will be running at 1080p, the console race starts when they say it does, a Trojan Horse named BluRay, the cell processor, useless specs, DLC is a thing of the past, There will be 2 million PS3s at launch, the U.S. launch date, the European Launch date, Jack Trentton: "The DS is trailing the PSP", ... Sony philosophy: Wait for Nintendo to do it and then Double it: Analog Stick? Dual Analogs! Rumble? Dual Shock!, Wii-mote ? Six Axis ! ... do I need to go on because this list is ENDLESS.
What is *TRULY* amazing is the blind Fanboyism that follows Sony & believes their crap after they lie to you over & over & over & over.
People chose the Xbox 360 2-1 over the PS3 because it has GAMES & delivers next gen NOW, & at a reasonable pricetag. You are Waiting, while 360 owners are Playing. The PS3 will be able to justify it's pricetag in 2009 perhaps, but not Today !
Marketplace content & demos & betas... Multiplayer chat... XBL... Rumble... Achievements... Exclusives... Games...
"The 360 has 63 games that averaged 80 and up! While the ps3 only has 14 AND 8 of those games were better on the 360 !" - by 360 Crusader
Sorry, Waggle, I'd rather have RROD than the Delaystation !
I'm glad Waggle's on our side...
I don't respect BlackJack at all. His way of thinking is the exact reason why he bought an xbox360. Shows how smart HE is. And now he's trying to educate us...LOL...!!! The high school dropout wants to teach us his logic and ways of thinking...LOL...!!!
i sometimes feel a bit angry against microsoft making me feel nervous every time i turn on my 360, fearing that it will go all dead on me since i have a launch unit...
but then i look at how beautiful GOW looks and i think it makes the thing worth the anxiousness
Hopefully...HOPEFULLY...the build quality will be better once the 65nm chip SKU comes out for the xbox 360. Plus the price drop then I'll buy my xbox.
Fact is though, Microsoft is primarily a Software company use to having everything its own way due to 20 years market domination(a monopoly) with its Windows OS.
How they are dealing with the issues of their xbox 360 merely proves old habits die hard. Heaven help us is Microsoft dominates or monopolizes the game console market.
To be honest, the faster Microsoft is driven out the better - games makers have always been competing against each other so there won't be any lost competition. Microsoft can then focus on software development and port all their IPs to the Playstations/Wiis - companies that specialize in hardware and have satisfied consumers for decades.
Halo 4 on the Ps4. Oh, if dreams could come true.
1. Hire more companies to troll console discussion boards
2. More dopey Halo 3 viral marketing sites
3. Better fake/bogus Unreal Engine 3 marketing shots and racing Photomode shots like they did for Gears of War, PGR, and Forza
4. More informative Major Nelson 'hardware comparisons'
5. Raise the price of online play to 100 bucks a year so everyone knows just how awesome the service is, after all if, as every Xbot will tell you, 'you get what you pay for' a 100 dollars a year service is obviously twice as good as the current 50 dollars a year service
6. More ads when you are using your 360
7. More marketing money for sites like EGM/1Up for even high Halo 3 scores. Who says you can't give Halo 3 a 11/10 review score?
dude, the dopey halo 3 commercials are awesome, dont hate yo.
Since you've got so many good ideas for MS, I thought I should share one that I have for Sony. Change HOME to WAITING ROOM. You and all your little fanboy friends that don't have anything better to do than flame the 360 can get together in a virtual waiting room (I envision something like a dentist's office or the Department of Motor Vehicles) and wait and wait and wait for your good games, wait for the PS3 to catch the 360 in sales and wait for the PS3 to have an attach rate that is not half of the 360's. You would probably like it since you are such a Sony fanboy, you must like waiting.
damm if micro is so badly losing the PR war yet still continues to outsell poo-ray3 which desperately needed a $100 price cut only after 8 months on the market then I guess sony will always be in LAST place. the xbox didnt sell in japan, and the 360 doesnt either wow big surprise, japan only cares about kiddy games and gettin kicks out of lookin up cartoon chicks skirt while golfing ha ha no thanks I hope micro never gets into that shiii. Yeah so go ahead and accuse every site of bias just because you believe the poo-ray3 player has better stuff apparently the real gamers disagree which is why 360 games have a higher attach rate and dont talk about companies lying and bad PR cause the world knows sony is the KING OF BS which is why you continue reading those lame as forums on spg or whatever and yapping the same BS on n4g, if anything that makes you the viral marketer trying to win support for you ruler and master. I bet you still think sonys games will be 4D NEXT YEAR ha ha lol truth is sony kids are just jealous of 360's success, sony promised you next gen wouldnt start to bs3 launched, now your stuck waiting, and waiting, then when you finally get something the devs release statements making excuses the of course sony promises you the world if you just wait until next time, ha ha its a vicious cycle that guys like you are too brain washed to see, admit it sony kids sony underdelivered again and thats whats really bothering all of you who attack the 360= blame sony cause once again=
jokes on you, you are wrong, the ps3 outsells the xbox360! even in america you moron.
LOL, Waggle...Sony needs to know about you...
Yes, Microsoft is losing the PR battle.
If it breaks we'll fix it fast. When it does business, it is a commonplace, and It may be ok to people who already have one.
But to people who is going to buy one in future, it's not enough.
"The breake rate may be a little bit high, but don't hestate to buy, the assurance follows."
Who buys one understanding that it is a defective product from the beginning ?
RED RING of DEATH.
you cant pass that you hear it everywhere like online, games store, good morning America and other tv program.
after Microsoft lunched there console i never see a ad
you always see a nintendo or sony ads that mean i see ds wii ps3 and psp ads
i have more reason but i am tried
The media hasnt really touched on one of the main issues in the x360 and that is that overpriced online service, you really have top pay to play this games online, not like microsoft is paying for you expensive high speed internet service really PSN is already far better and with Home real soon all FREE hopefully people will wake up more about this rip-off that is live.
Im not interested in playing online if the people i play can change their name and reset their stats whenever they want. Thats why sony's online doesn't appeal to me. Whats the point of doing good if you can reset your stats whenever you have a bad day.
changing their stats ? what are you talking about ? yes you can make a new account, but then you have to play the games from start again.
Multiplayer stats get reset when you start a new account correct regardless of having to replay the game.
Some of my friends that game haven't even heard of the red ring, casual gamers don't pay attention to stuff like that. They just want something to play that not going to make them have to skip rent and has better games then a Wii.
I also think a public apology would go a long way with the 3 yr warranty.
your friend will get it to know fast enough.
I am the only one who couldn't read the whole article?
microsoft is using the hardcore fanbase to further spread their agenda.they can spin numbers and fool the fans,but gamers looking on the outside in can see what is happening.fanboys can defend all they want,but the truth hurts and no amount of PR will get me to trust this company.but the fact is:
most 360 gamers are also PC gamers.and what do PC gamers do?
THEY UPGRADE EVERY CHANCE THEY GET.AND IT'S ALWAYS EXPENSIVE.
microsoft has taken that philosophy and ran with it with the 360 fanbase.they aren't getting new buyers to buy 360.the "current" buyers are "rebuying the system.
the core not good enough or broken?"i'll just get the premium."
premium not good enough or broken?"i'll just get the elite."
and now they are flipping it and screwing these same people and doing it again.
core may get hdmi.
premium is getting hdmi.
and some of you have mentioned in other threads that you will get rid of your current premium and get the hdmi premium.but it doesn't end there.
falcon system with new guts and cooler chips.
they just keep on going getting this SAME group to upgrade "AGAIN."while sony just upgrades a hard drive that matches their purchasing price of the 60gig drive.
NO HARDWARE REVISION IS NEEDED ON PS3.BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS BUILT IN.THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN CUTTING COST BY REMOVING SOMETHING(emotion engine-replaced by emulation),THAN ADDING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE TO BEGIN WITH.
not telling the public what is wrong with the system makes me not trust microsoft.blaming the consumer beforehand makes me not trust microsoft.redesigning the system not even 2 years in makes me not trust microsoft.ragging on sony for including something and then implementing those features themselves makes me not trust microsoft.
NO PR WILL FIX IT.shenmue 3 is their only possible chance.and that looks like it's not happening EVER.
i think i'll keep riding the mag lev super train.
...............mag lev super train...............
I never thought about that before n i think u r right!!!
youre just another sony kid with too much time on his hands because of the delaystations lack of quality games, its really messing with your perception of reality too well just do what sony intended and buy more poo-ray movies to pass the time. I wonder why a guy who hate 360 as much as you do why care about how many times micro changes it, its STILL selling better than your beloved poo-ray3 on Amazon and sony will only outsell 360 maybe for July with the desperation $100 price cut, August and the rest of the yr will be rough once again for sony, the cell and rsx are just not optimal for gaming and its causing devs a fkin headache to match the 360 they have to delay just to get an equal version you know its true, thats why you attack the 360 its call FEAR you are on damage control trying to tell the world how evil micro is but no ones listening to you, how lonely you must feel=
Sorry, but it seems as if the xbots are in remedial class and will never catch up or understand what we've always known and are trying to teach them. They really think they're smart and that they made the right choice. They will always think 2+2 = 16, no matter what you do to tell them that 2+2 = 4. They will only hate you because when you tell them what's against their own "logic," they'll think you insulted their intelligence and will only get angry and attack you. They'll nevr learn. Just let them be and sit in their own ... you know what
another one bites the ignore list!
...And another one down, another one down...another one bites the dust hey, hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
brings back memories.
also describes 360s purchased.
every delay makes ps3 a better system with better games and more content.so,THE JOKES ON YOU.
1/3 of 360's fanbase has seen the red olympic rings of death.why?because "things break.""it's a moving target."it's called:
that rushjob also screwd xbox owners like myself with no new games.
sony pushed the ps3 launch back to add bluray.there are no negatives in having a better medium that's next gen.delaying it made it a "better" system than 360.devs like it,gamers like it and movie companies like it because of added copy protection.
more sound, more animation,more music,more levels,more video,extra content when 360 gamers had to pay for it on live(oblivion).and.....be able to watch movies as a "BONUS" without having to buy upgrades that for the whole time in gaming history,add-ons failed.but microsoft decides to give it a go anyway like [email protected]
delaying motorstorm made it better for release in america and europe.
delaying heavenly sword has turned that game from a weak looking xbox 360 possible game,to a "heavenly" looking game for ps3.
delaying warhawk has made it to be one of the best playing and looking online downloadable games.
delaying lair has made it to be one of the best looking and detailed flying games on ps3.
delaying and cancelling GT-HD and going forward with GT5 has made it to be the best looking racing game.more cars,better lighting,in car dash,than any racing game on any console.makes forza2 look like a joke.
delaying rainbow six gives ps3 gamers more maps.
i could go on and on making you look stupid.
even if i have games like VF5,motorstorm,nba 2k7,tekken 5,flow,fnr3,etc.,i know that the "DELAYED" games coming out in the future are going to add greatly to the system.
SO,YOU CAN TAKE YOUR RUSHJOBS MUTHER F*CKER.THE JOKES ON YOUR @SS FOR SUPPORTING A [email protected]
..............mag lev super train...............
madden kid thats a weaksauce reply I dont know why sony kids waste their breath bothering to tell somebody on a website that they are going to put them on "ignore" ha ha lol and then you can just click on "show" and read my comments anyway and even if you didnt I wouldnt give a damm its just a sign you sony kids cant handle the truth. mag lev WOW talk about spin, no shiii Einstein delaying a game most likely will give devs time to make improvements but you actually prove my point for me you basicly admit that poo-ray3 has turned into the delaystation which means you have to wait and wait and wait just to get a decent game on par with 360= majority multiplats will always be default "timed exclusives" or suck @ss on the delaystation, then sonys important exclusives will take 2 to 3 yrs of dev time, cost devs their first born and still fail to match blockbusters like Halo3 and Mass Effect, 360 ease of dev and continuing advancements will always put micro devs one step ahead turning out more AAA exclusive per yr than sony, in fact I bet devs wont unlock the unlimited power of the cell til ps4 when sony is more focused on gaming. spg cant protect you sony kids from the truth= the evidence is all over the place, in every game store, on every website, gamers have eyes, when people see Mass Effect running showing awesome gameplay on a console $200 cheaper, then look at Lair and the rest of poo-rays weak 07 line-up it has a way of influencing word of mouth and believe me most of that 100 mil fanbase for the ps2 could give a shiii about the logo they are gamers with no loyalty who just want to play the BEST games without the extra poo-ray cost and believe me all your desperate screams of "just wait until 2010" is falling on death ears.= how is that for a bubble burst, ha ha dont let the smile fool you, I been around the block a few times sony kids are young and they dont understand the vast knowledge of the gaming universe, its ok its ok my young lad, try harder next time, once again sony kids=
it's about ignoring idiots and right now you have a PHD in idiocy.
xbots cannot learn. They cannot be taught. Instead of going to college or focusing on their academic training to develop their brains, they stayed home and played halo and gears of war instead of piano lessons, algebra or geometry or calculus, or sports even. And so, they continue to think, with their logic, that the 360 is a better value than the PS3. No point in arguing, since they cannot learn. Let the A students do their thing. Let the C, D, and F students do theirs. A and C,D,F students should not mix because obviously they have different points of views and will always argue. To one group 2+2 = 4. To another group, fuming and foaming at their mouths, they'll try to teach you that 2+2 = 13. Just leave them to their own problems. Enjoy your life and let the liabilities go.
+the 360 has already ripped several billion dollars worth of market share from the tight pockets of Sony by launching first.
Sony is between a Micro-rock and a Wii place
Sony continues to reshuffle prices, sku's, management and marketing strategy in an increasingly desperate effort to claw it's way out of the "losers pitt of 3rd place"!
You'll never see "Heavenly Sword" on the side of anybodies can of Soda.
Sure M$ had to dig down, suck it up,.. and clear their conscious to the world regarding the reliability issue,
But this has created a very positive public perception, that is rapidly gaining momentum as we speak.
with the falcon set to fly this holiday, the 360 will be steamrolling this holiday season like the Juggernaunt it truly is.
Holla if ya hear me.
who does your math. it's well documented that ms has LOST 1.89 billion during the last fiscal year. combine that with the losses on original xbox and you have a company losing more money than any other in the games industry-EVER! if it wasn't for their deep pockets and bill gates stubbornness, they would be out of gaming. sony is reshuffling.....? if they are then what ms is doing is a COMPLETE OVERHAUL! every week ms is announcing changes to some part of their hardware. peter moore has left(or was forced out) they had to drop their price(even though they suffer from unheard of record losses) and after 2007, their games release schedule is unknown.(convoluted at best) stick to facts-not hype and reactionary statements.
What a silly question, Of course not, Not only is sony a consistant PR Nightmare with Old CEO Krazy ken making outragous claims of 4d graphics, super computer powers...ect as well as kaz and the rest of the execs making claims like people will be happy to purchased the ps3 even if it had no games, Or people will be happy to get 2nd jobs to just pay for the overpriced system.
Or The whole RIDGEE RACEr, 599 us dollars, Ok this is an enemy crab that really existed in ancient japan, spastic first gameplay shots of someone playing warhawk and acting like they was dodging bee's....ect
Sony started being an PR nightmare since ps2 when they promised super computer's and 30X more power then dreamcast, and actually delivered on something that wasn't nearly as powerful as they said, WE never saw a single game with the graphical face capabilities of the face demos they showed at like e3 1998 or whatever.
Then you have the fact that internal commuincation between the SCEJ, SCEA,and SCEE are crap you have Kaz confirmed right after price drop confirmation that 60 gig is out of production, then a day later 3-4 execs from other parts of the company saying there is no price drop and 60 gig is still in production.
And I wont even get started on Advertising, Sony ps3 advertising sux, Only one of there ps3 commericals is worthwhile, the rest tell you nothing of what the machine can do. I mean seriously psycho crying baby any one?
Atleast with 360 we know its a game machine, and it plays games, thats all you need in a commercial about...a game machine...
I agree I havent seen a PS3 comercial since before E3 and havent seen a PS3 Madden comercial at all. How are people suppose to know it comes out for PS3 if there are no comercials. I have seen a lot of Xbox comercials for it.
I hope you know, the PS3 comes with a free xbox360, too. That's because most of the games I'd want on the xbox360 are being ported to the PS3 anyways with similar or sometimes better graphics. So I get a PS3 / PS2 / PS1 / XBOX360 / Bluray playback / SACD playback / DVD playback / WI-FI / Bluetooth / HDMI 1.3 / compact flash reader / memory stick reader / sd card reader / free internet / home / folding / one piece design / quietness / no power brick / CD player / MP3 player / Linux computer / internet browser / PSN / Motion sensor controller / realiably built system with no breakages. So for $$$ amount of dollars you get something that only plays games if you buy the xbox360. For $$$+$, I get an xbox360 plus everyting else mentioned above. But price isn't really an issue. It's the quality. The DVD and Bluray movie playback has a picture and sound quality rivaling high end $1000 denon and other elite players. EGM said the DVD and HD-DVD playback on the xbox360 is one of the worse ever. So price isn't the only issue - it's the quality, too. Oh, and not to burst your bubble when you come into PS3 forums and talk about 720P and 1080P,I on your xbox360, thinking that it's HI-DEfinition. Let me as you these two questions. 1) Since when is DVD-9 hi-definition? 2) If DVD-9 is high definition (really hi-definition), then why don't you just keep your old upscaling DVD player and forget about HD-DVD and Bluray? I hope you think about these and other things before you go into our PS3 forums and pick a fight...!!! Stay in your own community.
And another thing. If there was a car race and you really felt that your car is faster and prettier than ours, then why do you come over here to our side to try to scratch up our paint and pop our tires right before the race begins? If you really feel that your car is faster and prettier and can win the race fair and square, then why cheat and have unsportsman like behavior? Stay in your camp.
If you just got the game Bioshock with these reviews on your system:
PC Gamer UK: 9.5
OXM UK: 10
Game Informer: 10
Alternative Press: 10
Xbox World: 9.4
You got PR enough when the competitor PS3 has no games to play that are worth a 600 dollar/euro investment.
With Halo 3 upcoming, Mass Effect and in the back of the head that the 360 outsold the PS3 from January till July, PS3 only got one month of good selling (on 360 figures of april/may/june), we all know the 360 sells more the rest of the year again.
11 months 360 outselling the PS3, 1 month for the PS3. And that'll be about it
MS is losing the PR war.
In the beginning they had viral marketers building hype, spreading FUD about Sony.
They had the magazines in their pockets trumpeting anything MS said, downplaying anything Sony did.
And so for a while it worked.... but
The PS3 has some great titles, more coming, its reliable, looks great, regardless of the FUD spreaders - BR is whipping HD-DVD, and hell yess, it is great to have a build-in BR player. It is great to have more storage on the media. No matter what MS says. No matter how the media downplays it. No matter how many viral marketers flood the forums with the MS FUD and PR attack. Regardless of Moore's point of view.
So now it has come to pass... the viral marketers lost their influence. The magazines paid to paint a rosy pictures does not convince people anymore. The emperor has no clothes. The XB360 is a rushed machine, without proper storage, prone to breaking down - a lot, and MS will kill it as soon as the 720 hits the road - same as they did with the original XB.
And regardless of the Major Nelson, the media, the viral marketers, MS is not getting away with the 30%+ failure rate. Regardless of how many false "I have a launch console and 50 of my friends with their launch consoles playing 24/7 has not seen a single freeze yet - and what is a RROD?" posts on forums, the amount of broken consoles out there, the broken consoles in shop displays became more convincing that denial PR, fanboy / viral marketer posts on forums.
Sony in the meantime was quite quiet. And the working consoles, the quality of the product, the progress with titles, the great PS2 BC... it all just add up to give you that warm fuzzy feeling that the console you bought will go for ten years.
In the end the fanboys with the foam at the mouth rabid attitudes, the MS unfair practices, underhand tactics, the paid for PR campaign can not save the consumer from seeing reality. The XB360 needs to be recalled and fixed - well - in effect the three year warranty is just that - without the negative PR.
MS lost the PR war. They could not cover up, point at Sony enough to hide their own failures. Consumers are not paying attention anymore at the Press Releases, the lies, the forum / message board troops trying to paint a glossy image, the magazine articles trying to put a positive spin on it. And for the simple reason that MS delivered to little, and relied too much on dubious practices like this to "win" a console war, when all the consumer wanted was a reliable machine that he can enjoy.
your funny man, When Microsoft lied more then sony?
Underhanded practices *laughs hard* yes because sony is clearly saintly and has never commited such acts *blatant lies about ps2 powers to undermine dreamcast sales* and along list of under the table deals for exclusives.
You sir know nothing of PR, Sony has been losing the PR battle for a long long time, And Microsoft has yet to lose, Any company that can Wiggle its way out of count em 2 Government Law suits are PR masters.
Atleast when microsoft lies, the consumer doesn't find out about it 2 minutes later, like sony lets happen.