After reporting the news about PS3 RSX speeds earlier, theinquirer.net has dug up even more dirt on the PS3 hardware. The Cell is hurting, badly'...according to their latest article.
Microsoft mustve seen this comin, and of course they'd let sony go right ahead and humor itself by using a cripped processor, lol
Notice what type of news this is filed under:
"PlayStation 3 | Rumors"
That's right, "RUMORS." Now I am not saying that this is untrue, I am just saying that this is not fact. Also, it has been known that the Inquirer has a bias against Sony and many of the things that it posts have been proven untrue in the past. When someone gives me another source, then I might believe it.
You're right, is it a rumor and may come out to be false... the PS3 may be the messiah of videogames for all we know. But, to be honest, I hope it flops real hard. Sony deserves to fail after the dirty tricks they've pulled.
Can we please just stick to facts. How could Microsoft know or foresee this if its not even a fact. Personally I don't trust the inquirer.
Rumors go along way sometimes. However I am patient enough to wait till the smoke clears.
Stop the brushfire wars :X !
This entire article also leaves out the information about data transfer rates of the main bus, if it is capable of handling the load, then there is no problem, and then they have taken a step that many at several universities have already said true, which is the the current configuration of CPU's is not the most efficient, and that our current models of computing our outdated. So thank you for tell me all of this technical data Inquirer, and then tell me that the main bus cannot handle the load, and then don't tell me the specs of the main bus, this is bad journalism.
Everyone, including the Inquirer, is taking the slides out of context. The slides are about the RSX and the "local memory" is the video memory for RSX. Things a bit more clear?
This would explain why RSX has a 22.4GB/s read/write on the "local memory" because it is the video memory. This would also explain why Cell has such a slow read from the video memory (important to note that the Cell write speed is actually pretty good, adding to the fact that Cell can help with some graphics). For all general graphical and video game purposes the Cell does not need to read from the video memory because everything in the video memory is rendered through RSX. However, in case someone does want to read from the video memory for Cell, the slides go on to say that it is faster to read the video memory using RSX and then write that to the main memory for Cell to read.
The Inquirer does not know what they're talking about. End of story. Everyone go research a bit.
Sony better launch the PS3 november are they will be in alot of trouble.
I call BS on this one
I told all of you PS3 fanboyz that this was gonna happen!! Sony lies to you all and you still stick by their side(duh, dumb!) You all are gonna pay $600 for a overhyped console to play BLU-RAY movies that are gonna lose to HD-DVD anyways!!! Also, count on the PS3 being delayed again!! I told you all that the team that made the cell was fired because of this same report 5 months ago! The cell overheats at 3.2 ghz so they tried 2.4 ghz and guess what happened? It still overheated! Also, the rsx isn`t as powerful as the xbox 360`s gpu either!! I told you!! Sony has a proven track record of over-stating the specs of their consoles and then underdelivering!! That`s why ASSASSIN`S CREED was running on a XBOX 360 at E3 06 under a sheet! I STAND BY MY STATEMENTS THAT THE PS3 WON`T LAUNCH IN NOVEMBER, IT WON`T HAVE ANY GOOD GAMES AT LAUNCH EXCEPT FOR MAYBE 1 OR 2, AND IT WON`T LAUNCH TIL SPRING 07! WATCH AND SEE PS3 FOOLS HAHAHAHAHA!
you are a fool, because you have no logic. if you say it overheats, than its logical that the cell is powerfuller than the xenon, because it was always so. but the cell was developed in such way that it does not need many powersupply, so it wont everheat. the reason they used 2.4Ghz was not the overheating reason. this rumors are all from xrats, and such fools like you believe it without thinking about it. and sorry, assasin creed will not come to xcrapbox, keep on dreaming xrats, you are so weird.
let's wait and see.
did you just say "powerfuller"? OMFG!!!!!!!! go tell your mommy what you said so she can slap you in the MOUTH! also you said that if one processor overheats and another doesnt, the overheating one is more powerful? damn child, get your @SS on the bus and GO TO SCHOOL!!!
so im guessing you guys own a blu-ray player already and watch some movies on it, but how is that so if it not out yet, I think HD-DVD is going to come out on top because its going to be mainstream, either way, neither of these 2 formats are going to catch on til years later, only for us movie buffs and gamers.
Assasins Creed IS coming out for 360, its just a time exclusive, HAHA OWNED!!!
I'm no tech, and I don't know squat about technical specs, but I'm wondering why this is being labelled a rumour when he's showing slideshow pics from a Sony developer conference?
Basically they are going through a number of problems right now the only thing a bit off in the article is the fact that they label the cell "broken" No way is it broken, but is it currently having alot of problems? Yes... it most definetly is. Again this isn't bs folks its all true and its extremely bad news for the ps3.
oh, yes you are god, and you know that its true (this is ironic, if i wouldnt mention this you would believe it). only such believer lemmings like you believe such crap invented by xrats.
comment is for 6.1 sorry
i need not go to school, i am at a university. what i wantet to say (with my bad english) is that the new cpu generate more heat because they need more power supply due to higher count of transistors.
STFU kid!!!, PS3 melts and it crashes after little use, at least it did. It had sub-par coolent technoligy there's too much under the hood. And the thing will not work right, they need to cut back on all that useless crap like Blu-ray ect. Can't wait to tell REDMOND BOYZZ, he'll explain it to you're little ass in detail.
People still read the article and I have to say any bad news against the PS3 is going to be very damaging. No matter where the news came from.
slashdot seems to have some intelligent discussion on this. Some programmers said from what they've seen of this "story" is the design is perfectly normal for 3D hardware. Guess we won't know until someone in the know can give us more info.
Yeah, good to read the Slashdot comments.
first it was stupid rumours like ps3 hardware this and that and yet the baby was playing live games at E3
Wanna see the cell in that conference ?get this
do you honestly believe that because a demo version of a game or a pre-rendered scene can be displayed on a dev-kit at E3 that it has any bearing on the real-world performance of the EventualStation? The thing may have bugs that the developeres know full well about and intentuionally did NOT show at E3 - I mean why would you unless you wanted to fail massively?
The fact is that NOTHING was at E3 on a fully functional and final production model PS3 because they still haven't made any yet! There may be a few proto-types out there and there are surely any number fo dev-stations in circulation as well, but production model PS3's still do not exist.
Ok, so that "eventualstation" was a bit cl;ose to the fanboy line (really over it I guess, but I was weak and couldn't resist); but seriously, until I can walk into a store and see a display unit running a real PS3, that I can buy, I am not believing any of the hype either way any more.
It is just time for Sony to put up the goods already.
It is disturbing though to hear rumors of Cell performance problems (and earlier problems with yield per silicon wafer) this close to the time Sony needs to be ramping up production if they want to have 4 million consoles available at launch.
That is just plain math.
November 17th is 22 weeks away. Figure that the last 2 weeks will be spent on packaging and distribution for the worldwide launch window and that leaves about 20 weeks from today for the launch units to be made and delivered to the stores worldwide for sale.
4,000,000 units divided by 20 weeks is 200,000 units a week needed from production. Now, unless I am grossly mis-informed, there are currently 0 units a week being made in any factory. Every single week that trend persists (hell, every DAY) makes it harder and harder to believe that anything close to 4,000,000 PS3's will be available at launch and certainly not by the end of the year either.
Let's say I am wrong (a distinct possibility) and Sony only wants to crank out those 4,000,000 units by the end of 2006. That would give them an extra 6 weeks and the need to produce 153,000 units a week to meet that goal. Of course, that is assuming that they have already made 21,857 units today to stay on track for the full 26 weeks until the end of the year....
Bottom line, unless these "issues" and "problems" all just disappear, there is no way to expect anything other than a horrid shortage of PS3's until well into 2007. And if anyone really believes the first crop of units made will have a zero-defect yield, then I want to start selling you real estate very soon...
Sony products tend to always break down. So what happenes if little timmys faulty PS3 breaks down? does that mean he'll have to purchase all his downloaded games ect. all over again. What a dumb design.
I keep wondering if the PS3 will be delayed in November... when I see rumors like this it really gets me worried... if sony get delayed, poor performance or bad chips they will be over as a company.
and, hey, sony execs. TIME FOR SOME DAMAGE CONTROL! god damn, you guys don't know how bad things are looking for you in the gaming community!
how about an offical sony response to this article??
why should sony answer on xrats lies ??? its obviously that this is invented by xrats. man, look at the picture and you will notice its maken with photoshop.
Whats a Xrat?....
um achira, Sony need to answer people like me (gamers, not xbugs) about why their hardware is delayed, overpriced, forcing a unproved unsupported format on people, had malfunctioning development kits, lies about the final specs, games running on 360's at E3, stealing from other hardware makers for controller design, various ON RECORD pissed off developers... ect. The list goes on...
And as creep towards november we see/hear... Nothing!
Though no comment is better than more lies!
its a real picture, wat it shows is true, theres no evidence that it was photoshopped. YOU THINK THAT ALL BAD NEWS ABOUT SONY IS FALSE, AND THAT ALL BAD NEWS ABOUT MICROSOFT IS TRUE!!! most of the time, you're WRONG, cry me a river, build a bridge and get over it.
you wrote: Sony need to answer people like me (gamers, not xbugs) about why their hardware is delayed, overpriced, forcing a unproved unsupported format on people, had malfunctioning development kits, lies about the final specs, games running on 360's at E3, stealing from other hardware makers for controller design, various ON RECORD pissed off developers... ect. The list goes on...
I dont know if you actually read the damn article but its says clearly that this information is rumors. Why should sony be forced to to answer to rumors? I believe that any negative information about the PS3 becomes facts these days, or at least that seems to be the trend with this site. All I see on every "so called" negative info. is "sony lies" "delaystation" ect. ect. ect.
Come on gamers, can we at least get some facts before we start down talking sony. I dont see PS3 fans getting all over the 360 when anything bad is reported. Sometimes I think people hate sony just because they have been so good for so long.
I dont even mind the console wars but we can at least show our intellegence by sticking to the facts. I dont expect sony or and company to responed to "rumors" and if what you say is true please PLEASE give us links to support your "facts"
um, the PS3 has been (very) delayed already, hence the 'delaystation' title people keep giving it. Sony have lied about final PS3 hardware specs amongst many other things, hence people calling them liars.
And yes, i expect a company like sony to either deny or validate internet rumors over something like a major problem with hardware, because its all over the net and all the tech guys are discussing it. PS3 needs some major PR moves as all I see is more negative press and bad rumors.
did you see how fast Microsoft moved to clear up the 'no more backwards compatibility' rumors recently? why can't sony respond to its prospective customers like this?
sony don't respect their fans.
So, let me humor all the XBOX fanboys in here. You, and the Inquirer, one of the most proven shat websites in the world want us to believe the RSX and Cell are nothing but broken pieces of hardware so inferior to the 360 that Sony is going to fall from grace and never come back. You want us to believe that Sony is paying every developer to say that the PS3 is working great, you want us to believe that everything they've shown is really on XBOX 360 units, you want us to believe the PS3 will be pushed back again...
Wow. Imagine if this were the flipside and the PS3 launched first and you were hearing all these obstentatious rumors about your, more precious than titanium, XBOX 360. Look at it like that please.
The XBOX 360 had bugs, the PS3 will have bugs, the PS2 and XBOX had bugs and probably every other consoles before and after will have bugs. It's going to happen, it had happened, it will happen again. Get over it. The Inquirer has, through out the last few months, pretty much said 100% garbage on the PS3 and utterly nuthugged the XBOX 360. So, please tell me why I should take this or any other article from this website with anything more than a grain of salt?
The developers aren't saying the PS3 works great. Here's an example:
Sorry, this is a response to #16.
This article isn't the only report of the cell underperforming. Do a search. While maybe the facts in this particle article may be presented in the most negative light for Sony, the point still remains. Sony is have problems with the cell. The cell has been in development for 5 years, yet it is still having significant problems with only 5 months left until PS3 launch.
Instead of being so 'diehard' for Sony, if people think for a second, this explains why we haven't seen hardly anything playable and what has been shown as been below what can be seen on a 360. This also explains why Ubisoft used a 360 or maybe a PC to show Assassins Creed. Developers are getting nervous as they rightly should be (see the article on Sega and THQ). They are in it to make money, too, and if Sony can't get the hardware out, the developers can't sell games for it.
The reports from multiple sources of cell underperforming, the nervousness of the developers, and the lack of quality games shown far enough along in the development cycle all point to Sony being in trouble. This should be plainly obvious for everyone to see.
The best case for Sony at this point will be to solve the problems at the last minute and hope it can compete with the 360. This still means that many games will be delayed and there will be incredible shortages. It also could mean the launch will be buggier than the PS2's launch. This is best case. Imagine the worst.
"The developers aren't saying the PS3 works great. Here's an example:"
in this article they aren't saying anything about how the PS3 works, they are only talking about how they are frustrated with sony's inability to release the final specs for the PS3, it doesn't mention that they like, don't like, or even anything thing about how they feel about the dev kits or how the ps3 works.
That's big time when big wigs are saying that. Sony was never going to launch this spring, it was a lie to steal the thunder from MS. lol
You should follow your own advice. I never said the developers are saying anything about how the PS3 works. In fact, that was exactly my point. How can the developers be saying anything when they don't even have the dev kits because Sony hasn't ironed out all of the problems yet. Therefore, the developers can't possibly be saying the PS3 works great like the other poster claimed. Ergo, my post.
i can't argue with delayed and overpriced. but as for the rest of your list
unsupported format - Blu-ray is only supported by Hitachi, Mitsubishi, LG, Sharp, Sony Panasonic Samsung, Phillips, Thomson/RCA for home theater
HD-dvd - Toshiba, LG, Thomson/RCA for home theater
PC storage support
Blu-ray has Apple, Dell, Benq, HP, LG, Panasonic, Phillips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sony, TDK
hd-dvd has Microsoft, Intel, HP, NEC, Toshiba
for studio support
Blu-ray has Sony (which includes MGM/Columbia TriStar), Disney (which includes Touchstone and Miramax), Fox, Paramount, Warner, Lions Gate
hd-dvd has Paramount, Studio Canal, Universal, Warner, and the Weinstein Company
as for unproven, well i think the support shows that it works, otherwise all of these companies wouldn't in devolopment, just don't know if the public will pick up and run with either format at this point
next item is the dev kits. 360 had many faulty dev kits aswell, the differance is that 360 is out and ps3 is not and they are the ones at war right now. nintendo had to recall a whole set of dev kits for the wii, but it was just initially reported, accecpted as a common problem and then moved on and forgotten
not lies about final specs, it is the fact that they just haven't told us the actaully final specs, no one anywhere, atleast in an official statement from sony has said "here are the exact specs that you will see at release"
the whole hames runnin on 360's is just stupid. they games were running on ps3 emulation PC's the same thing that was done for many 360 games at e3 2005 when the 360 had not been released and was still under the final stages of development, again a very common practice
they didn't steal the controller design, if so, then the court cases would still be continueing, there was in issue as to who had the rights to use them, and technically both parties did, because both worked equally upon development of the device. sony just finally took total control.
the only thing i have seen on pissed off developers is that sony isn't telling them what is going to be final, i have not seen any offical releases about deveolopers saying that the hardware is crap, or going to fail, or that they are mad with what sony has given them, they are just pissed because sony won't say the final specs so that they know how exactly to finish and finalize game production
actually you did say that, your post said "The developers aren't saying the PS3 works great. Here's an example:
http://www.gamepro.com/news... this is a response to #16. ".
what what i read was not what you intended, then i am sorry, and still offer my advice, i stand by my statement, and fill that i already follow my own advice
jedicurt: a very nice post !!! xbox fans dont talk about last year, where ms did the same what sony does this year. an EA-speaker said this was the same case for the xbox360. every detail is exaggerated, and there are so many lies from people who dont want people should buy a ps3 because they are sony haters, or japan haters, and so on.
It's still up to the consumer, it's not up to those companies at all, but hey; that's a nice list. lol
All sony cares about is its blue-ray. Playing games on the ps3 is secondary.
Why do you think the PR chick from sony left this week. She could'nt handle all the garbage sony been throwing at Her!
What happens when a ps3 fails? Does Sony replace it for free like MS or do PS3 fanboys have to pay?
BetaRay will fail also, just like Sony's other mediaformats:
- UMD in the PSP
They try to push their hardware with expensive licenses, but they fail time and time again. Paying are the consumers. Do you want more expensive products that are harder to make a backup for yourself? Strange, I would go for the cheaper option with more options for a backup. Like HD-DVD does. As I think home PC users will buy a burner which is the cheapest with about the same possibilities.
HD-DVD is about half the price of a Betaray, so we all know what is the outcome.
You forgot Betamax.
Then I realized if you believe this article and all the BS being spouted in this thread by XBOX 360 fans who want nothing less then Sony to crash and burn then you deserve to believe it.
I'm an xbox fan, and i really dont want sony to fail, SERIOUSLY, cause any, i mean any consumer out there knows that a monopoly is a bad thing for the buyer, nothing good will come out of it, im not saying that i wont play PS3 i might, but i just dont like how KenK and his followers lie to reel people in and not delivering, it got annoying, i had a PS1 and it was cool, was going to get a ps2 but decided to wait cause my bro. got it but was glad i didnt because i remember that game not looking anything like they showed in conferences, sony just lies and MAKES UP LIES to attract consumers to their product.
I don't want to believe it either, but the truth is, the Cell wasn't originally made for video games. IT'S NOT A VIDEO GAME PROCESSOR!!! It won't do all the amazing thing we've been told. It will work, but not at well as promised.
yeah........speculation....... nothing more....<_<
to # 24 atleast somebody knows that the cell WAS NOT,I repeat WAS NOT made for videogames, it was made to handle alot of other consumer electronics an sony thought it would be good to include the cell into the ps3.they were going to let it run the graphics also but it didnt work out, so they got with NVidia to provide graphics chip for the ps3.im not saying that the ps3 wont be great, but it just dont justify the price.sony is a billion dollar company going up aginst another billion dollar company.MS aint little'ol sega or nintendo. bill gates is in this for the control, he wants to be number 1, nothing else, its not about money because he has plenty of that, its all about being in first!!if he makes money in the process cool,but trust me his motavation is domination!!
Yes we all know you have been woking with the cell to know it was not made for videogames.its unbelievable how much these xbots think they know about ps3 and its hardware but they dont know nothing.bill gates will never be #1 in the video game market cuase no body wants his consoles.
You do realize that the Cell was in development long before the PS3 was ever a glimmer in Sonys eye. It was meant to be a handy, all-purpose chip. It was not created to be a master gaming chip. I can tell you love Sony. But you need to learn to live with the FACT that the PS3 will be a leap forward, but it won't be any better than in competition in terms of power. The Cell just isn't that special. Listen to #26, they got the right idea.
After reading this article, I can understand now
why it was neccessary for the PS3 to include a
hardrive. The XBOX360 does not require a hardrive to
play any games. The XBOX360 hardrive is used for
downloading content. However, here is my theory of
the PS3. I thought it was also used for content, but
now, it makes sense to use the hardrive for additional
Since the article states that Cell can only read
16MB per second(which is seriously whack). It needs
another source to read the data. Why not use the
hardrive??? There has been reports stating the PS3
hardrive would be used as dynamic memory for games. I
didn't quite undestand why since the blu-ray is so
large, they won't have to worry about memory usage.
Now I understand why.
If Cell processor needs the hardrive to store the
game data(this is similar to temp folder in Windows,
or swap in Linux and Unix OS).
Boy, I can't keep up with this PS3 crap!!! There
is only one thing why Sony does this... My guess is
Sony couldn't afford to put in additional memory for
the PS3 because it would up the cost of the PS3...
Read comment 3.1
If u look at that slide, it says "No,....this isn't a typo". Now tell me who in Satan's name would type that in a Sony spec sheet which is being shown to all the developers!!! Wouldn't they have some say in the matter. If they felt that it is as slow as it is being projected in the slide, wouldn't they be put off!! in the sense that they have to develop the game for a highly complex console and then with all the complexity surrounding the cell processor, they have to live the a read speed of 16 MB/s for cell. Gimme a break!!! How could u ppl believe that the slide is authentic! just because it has the PS logo and other things on it, doesn't make it authentic. This guy obviuosly edited the slide photo and put it on the website to attract some attention. Even if this was true, wouldn't Sony come out and cover this up. Since all the people in this forum say that PHONY is a bunch of BS and has a super product called the DELAYSTATION 3, wouldn't they, according to u ppl, would cover the truth up with their lies!! At least when u post please think!!!
well im guesssing that it is SOMEBODY OTHER THAN SONY, cause no company in the right mind would do that to themselves but people who like to uncover truths and such do because, lets say if it is true, them people will start saying,
NO, THATS A TYPO, HE REALLY MEANT TO TYPE BLAH BLAH BLAH." YOU GET THE WHOLE STORY. so im guessing if sony hasnt come out about this, its maybe because they dont have anything to back it up with.
after all such articles tarnish their already tarnished image!!!( they dont want to get tarnished any further...). If there is any element of truth( which i sincerely doubt) to the slide, they would always say " Sony doesn't comment on rumors!!" kind of stuff, which would throw light on the fact that the article is indeed true. Since there has been no response from their side, it means:
1. they know it is false and will continue their work without even bothering over it
2.even if it is proved to be true, they would rather dig their heads into solving out the issue than sticking it out and trying to tell the public that such rumors are false( which 98% are always false!!)
Sony anwsering to the"Inquirer" is like sony anwsering to every post me and you put up on this web site. Lets be serious.
your just vex cuz we own ur @ss on the market line..with ps2 still kicking the hella outta u
360 has been outselling the ps2 since april, genius, an the ONLY reason why it was outselling it before then is because there werent enuff bein manuactured :-P
I could care less about the Japs. All they do is steal from the U.S. and make a cheaper/crappier product.
First and foremost almost every "rumour" the inquirer has post has come out false. And even if this is true It has allways been stated that the Cell is designed to work drasticly different from other PC structures. Yes by the looks of it Sony does not have their $#!t together. My concern is that the game industry overall is more concerned about the "HYPE" of video games as opposed to actually putting out great games.As a 360 owner and a PS3 fan Im just disapointed overall.
Your post is on point DG. Everyone "should" know by now that the inquier cannot be trusted. If what they say is true than someone please explain to me why would these developers throw there money down the drain making games for a "broken" system? I have no idea why there is so much sony/PS3 hating going on? Every single news item here has Sony bashing on it with people posting fiction statment after statment.
MS and Sony are not stupid companies and they didnt get to where they are now by making broken consoles.
I'm no fanboy but... the more I read and see this overabundance of negative post from 360 fans with no facts to back them up the more I shy away from supporting the 360 and MS altogether........
# 32.1 the last part of your post sounds like bull#@$#, it makes you shy away from the 360 yeah right!! either you dont have an 360 or you ARE a ps3 fanboy.because I dont care what a person says, it wont make me not like my 360. the system is great an you know it.people are upset because sony aint stating facts. there hyping up this godly machine(sony) like they always do, then when people state otherwise(reporters,developers )people get all bent out of shape.the ONLY reason why sony is trying desperatly to release the ps3 this year is because they CANT AFFORD!!! to give xbox360 another X-mas, an thats a fact. it would totally crush there income for the system if they did!!
I agree with your last part of the post, but I have no idea why you are so upset. I do have a 360 that I have stated before Im not so happy with ( I expected more). I never said it was a bad console I was just giving my perspective. No need for you to get all upset.