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Submitted by Pen Pooh 1504d ago | article

Hands-on with PlayStation 3D: Gimmick or game-changer?

Chris Jager of GGG writes: "Last week, we checked out Sony's first batch of 3D games for the PlayStation 3 — namely, Wipeout HD, Super Stardust HD, MotorStorm: Pacific Rift and Pain.

With oversized 3D glasses perched atop our noses, we ran through each game in their 2D and 3D iterations. We also roped one of our non-gaming pals into the office to give us a “man-on-the-street” perspective.

Read on to find out how each game played... (Motorstorm:Pacific Rift, PAIN, PS3, Sony, Super Stardust HD, Tech, Wipeout HD)

csimpson  +   1505d ago
3D is an absolute gimmick! Plus the games the PS3 is debuting with are absolute rubbish.
grumpysmurf  +   1504d ago
I wouldn't call Super Stardust, Wipeout or Motorstorm 2 rubbish, but the 3D does seem to be a bit underwhelming.
Poseidon  +   1504d ago
game-changer
Johnny_Bravo  +   1504d ago
Gimmick, no one wants to sit there playing a game for hours wearing a pair of glasses if they don't need to. Until they lose the glasses, its nothing but a gimmick.
Lou-Cipher  +   1504d ago
Johnny_Bravo
How long do you think you can play any Kinect game? You know, those games that require you to constantly stand up and wave your hands/arms/torso/legs/@ss around like a wild monkey.

Comfort is extremly valuable when it comes to playing Video Games, and if 3D becomes uncomfotable, then just turn it back to normal mode, but when Kinect becomes uncomfotable you just have to deal with something you want no part of anymore. The Eye toy failed because of that reason, and that is why Kinect is going to fail shortly after it launches.

I think 3D adds value to PS3 games. I wont be using 3D mode that much, but when I want it, it will be nice to have it.

In 3 to 4 years you wont be able to buy non 3D TV, so I see no reason not to add it for the people that want it.

@NecrumSlavery
MotorStorm is what impressed me with 3D, but as a big MotorStorm fan who likes to play for hours at a time, I dont know how long my poor eyes can handle it.

Im buying a 3D tv in November for GT5, but I dont see myself having a 20+ hour 3D gaming session.
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NecrumSlavery  +   1504d ago
I admit I am not fan of the glasses, but they don't bother me at all. However I got to demo 3D games at Brst Buy and I have to say WOW! 3D is not a gimmick at all, it may be early in it's lifespan(current 3D tech I mean) but it looks to improve. The depth was amazing, but during motor storm, all that crap flying in you face like dirt and tree branches kept making me flinch. That's immersive as hell, and I can't wait to play Killzone 3 in 3D. It's really impressive.
Venatus-Deus  +   1504d ago
The success of Avatar means that 3D is here to stay. FFS it’s the biggest movie ever…
A 3D TV is just a TV and in 12 months all new TV’s will have 3D as standard. In 2 years the prices will be the same. At that point it’s just another optional or feature.

3 years ago I paid £1100 for a new 42in Samsung. You can now buy a much better 42in for less than £500.

It’s that same as CD’s, DVD’s and Blurays. History just repeats itself yet half the comments still think the whole of the electronics industry is just going to drop 3D because they feel it’s a gimmick.
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LoVeRSaMa  +   1504d ago
I have tried it myself at a Beta event, its like nothing I have tried before, makes games harder because your natural reactions hinder you.

Its bad but in a good way, I will be 3D gaming thats for sure.
darkride66  +   1504d ago
Right from the article.

"Our verdict? Believe it or not, this latest craze to hit the gaming arena is more than just a gimmick."

So, let's see. We've got hoards of fanboys who've never played a 3d game in their lives claiming it's a gimmick and a site that's played all the current crop of 3D games saying it's not a gimmick, that it's completely worthwhile.

Who to believe?
ji3200  +   1504d ago
IN THEATER 3D MOVIES, THEY SET THE DEPTH ONLY 15 PERCENT BUT AT HOME WITH 3D TV YOU CAN SET IT LOT HIGHER AND THATS GONNA MAKE REAL ENVIROMENT THAN THEATER 3D. PEOPLE WHO WATCHED 3D AVATAR IN THEATER YOU GUYS ARE MISSING OUT WHAT REAL FIELD OF DEPTH IS!!!!!!!!!! NEXTAG.COM SELLS 46INCH SAMSUNG 3D TV FOR LESS THAN 1500 DOLLAR!!! WHO SAID 3D TV IS EXPENSIVE????????!!!!!!!!!!!
avengers1978  +   1504d ago
3D is just corporations attempting to remove more money from your wallet on crap you don't need, and isn't that great. Sure 3D is all the rage that the hype machines can mustar, but in the end it will fail just like it has repeatedly in the past.
milohighclub  +   1504d ago
your opinion only counts if you've tried it
divideby0  +   1504d ago
didnt we hear the same with BlueRay...yawn..

I really do not think many here have ever been to a 3D movie based upon some comments.

saying 3D line is unimpressive (and I tend to agree). what can you possible say for the Kinet. lineup....lmao.. talk about underwhelming
milohighclub  +   1504d ago
@ csimpson
how would you know you've never played ps3 3d....

@Johnny_Bravo

you forget your wearing glasses, especially when you see how awesome it is having bits of rock and sparks flying in your face.
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treylathikes  +   1505d ago
As a non-glasses wearer in general, i can't see myself being able to enjoy a game while wearing a pair of those oversized abominations. I guess it might be cool for a quick burst of gaming, but that's about it. I'll wait till we can view 3D without the glasses.
BeaArthur  +   1504d ago
Same here, call me when you don't have to wear the stupid glasses.
Wh15ky  +   1504d ago
I don't really see a problem with the glasses. I enjoy wearing polarised sunglasses when fishing and normal sunglasses when on holiday etc.

The more I think about wearing shutter glasses to play a game the more I like the idea, it may help to submerge you in the gaming experience even more and completely shut out everything else round about you.

I have tried Panasonics and Samsungs glasses, Samsungs were very comfortable but Panasonics felt a bit heavy across the bridge of my nose.
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The Great Melon  +   1504d ago
Well as a glasses wearer I don't mind having two pair on if they fit well together. The glasses are not an issue to me as I have lived my whole life looking through lenses. Whether 3D is autosteroscopic or glasses based it makes no difference - I still wear glasses to see both.
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Penno  +   1505d ago
So what's the deal with Xbox 360? Are they doing a 3D firmware update too? Or does this stuff only work for Blu-ray?
Pandamobile  +   1505d ago
It has nothing to do with Bluray. Some games are shipping with 3D on the 360, just like the PS3.
Penno  +   1505d ago
Yeah, but the PS3 received a specific firmware update to make it work in 3D. To my knowledge, the Xbox 360 hasn't.

Also, MS isn't really saying much about 3D or releasing any Xbox Live 3D downloads.
OSU_Gamer  +   1504d ago
Maybe that's a smart idea...they are letting Sony test the waters.
Microsoft Xbox 360  +   1504d ago
The 360 can't do the 3D standards of today. The HDMI port on the 360 is primitive.
JustTheFactsMr  +   1505d ago
It's not Blu-ray. It's HDMI.

Millions of 360's with component only can't participate at all. All PS3's can.

The rest of the 360's with HDMI 1.2 will be shut out of the stereoscopic 3D based on the HDMI 1.4 3D standard now appearing in the 3D TV's from Panasonic, Sony, Samsung etc.

That's why the PS3 had a free 3D firmware update and the 360 didn't. It's now part of the PS3 OS and integrates with the HDMI 1.4 protocols. The 360 never will. So no point in a 3D update to the firmware.

The 360 can only support a 3D game with custom support for every 3D TV on the market being added to every game since they don't support the HDMI 1.4 protocols. And every publisher will have to do that work on their own.

Also the lack of bandwidth of HDMI 1.2 further restricts the options even in that already restricted subset of 3D options. For example the PS3 can support pushing more pixels because it doesn't have the bandwidth limitations of HDMI 1.2 on the 360. The 360 pipe is too small to push the same amount of pixels as a pipe with twice the bandwidth found on the PS3.

So Pandamobiles "just like the PS3" comment isn't quite accurate.

The PS3 already has and will have a broader catalogue of game titles available in 3D.

And obviously the 360 doesn't do Blu-ray so PS3 will also support 3D 1080p movies.
Penno  +   1505d ago
"And obviously the 360 doesn't do Blu-ray so PS3 will also support 3D 1080p movies."

Are you sure about that? The linked article claims that you still need a seperate 3D Blu-ray player to watch 3D movies.
coolfool  +   1504d ago
^^^^
That's because the 3D firmware update so far has only been for games. Sony is releasing another update later in the year that will allow the PS3 to support 3d movies as well.
JustTheFactsMr  +   1504d ago
@Penno
Yes I'm sure.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...
The Great Melon  +   1504d ago
The Xbox 360 can theoretically do 3D also, but the bandwidth of the HDMI that the 360 uses is about half that of the PS3. So say there is a game that both the PS3 and 360 can render at 720p at 30 fps (for each eye). Now the PS3 can shove all that information to the TV, but the 360 can only do about half that even if it is capable of rendering the graphics. I don't actually know the real cut off limits (it's probably higher than 720p at 30 fps for each eye), but if the PS3 was pushing its HDMI bandwidth then the 360 can only do half of that.
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grumpysmurf  +   1504d ago
So to recap, Motorstorm looks cool but suffers from wonky wheels, Stardust is pretty but shallow, Wipeout is worse in 3D and PAIN is PAIN (i.e. - lame). Doesn't sound too great to be honest.

Hopefully the next batch of games will offer something better.
T9X69  +   1504d ago
I enjoyed PAIN thank you very much.
JustTheFactsMr  +   1504d ago
Here is the more accurate recap for those that didn't actually read the article.

"Our verdict? Believe it or not, this latest craze to hit the gaming arena is more than just a gimmick. No, really.
While there are a few kinks that need ironing out, the extra layer of immersion that 3D provides is impossible to deny."

"we were acutely aware of the added depth the game throws at you. Trees and grass whip by in an alarmingly authentic manner, while the 3D crash cinematics are truly a sight to behold. "

"Well, after clocking on some quality time with Super Stardust HD in 3D, we can confidently attest to its brilliance."

"That said, PAIN is definitely more fun in 3D"

Wipeout was the only one they had trouble with due to it's warp speed gameplay.
milohighclub  +   1504d ago
stardust and wipeout are the best out of the lot motorstorm has loads of ghosting and pain is shit
Wizziokid  +   1504d ago
Not a game-changer yet, be a nice experience though but it will loose it's appeal imo.

Good to see sony pushing the tech though.
Colonel-Killzone  +   1504d ago
Seeing how a lot of different industries are pushing 3D besides Sony I wouldn't say it isn't a gimmick. Remember people said the samething in HDTV ? Now
Aphe  +   1504d ago
You can't compare 3D to the move from SD to HD. When people upgrade from SD to HD all it requires is a new tv and the naked eye, 3D requires a new tv and the glasses, perhaps for every member of the household. It involves far more, it's more expensive for a start, as well as the fact that a lot of people are going to feel uncomfortable wearing the glasses for a prolonged amount of time.
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DelbertGrady  +   1504d ago
Lots of people who own LCD TV's don't even utilize HD. Imo the biggest selling point of flat TV's is that they're...flat. They look cool and save space.
milohighclub  +   1504d ago
i got 2 pairs free with the tv and you can buy a pair for 40 quid on amazon, you can compare it to that in terms of how important it is to the industry, the price isn't something to be taken in to account.
Calm Down Sunshine  +   1504d ago
Sony should skip this 3D nonsense..
and go straight to http://www.youtube.com/watc...
MELMAN26  +   1504d ago
My question for the doubters is this....
Have you ever actually played any of these games in 3D? I just bought a 3d tv a couple of weeks ago and it is just plain AWESOME! When your ship explodes on Stardust HD u might wet your pants.

Another note for you 3d haters is this, 3d is an option/feature if you don't want it or don't want to use it then DON'T.

And lastly all 3d tv's are not as expensive as you think, if you are in the market for a new tv a 3d version of the tv that you are looking for will only cost you about an extra $200-$250. I bought my 46" samsung 3dtv for $1100. On Amazon (brand new)after I sold my old one for $850.

Edit: for those who disagree, don't be a coward, explain why you disagree.
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cobraagent  +   1504d ago
I agree with you
But the 3D games you have seen thus far are nothing. They were ported to 3D unlike KZ3 that was created for 3D. I mean, you can't compare the Avatar 3D to 3D of other movies
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MELMAN26  +   1504d ago
ok
I never compared anything, I know that things that are made with 3d in mind will be better than something that is ported to 3d (MLB the show sucks in 3d), but you comment helps prove my point, 3D can and will be much better in the future.

All I was saying is that I like what I have so far and the people that don't like 3d should try it, and if they don't like it pass on the tech, but don't try to bash 3D because its new.

@Ahmedz
WOW, that is way too expensive wherever you are especially for a 40", in the states I can get a 58" 3d tv a ps3 a game and 2 pair of 3d glasses for that much.

However to my next point, again 3D tv/gaming is an OPTION, in my opinion 3d will never take over regular tv (until we are all old farts who probably wont be watching to much tv anyway), there are to many people who have problems seeing it.

But for those who can enjoy 3d and are in the market for a "high end" hdtv an extra $200-$300 is not going to hurt your pockets.

Also for the 360 owners, my 3dtv can convert anything into 3d, of course it is not as good as the games that are made for 3d, but it works, you can really see the depth in COD, Deathspank looks the best so far (like it was made for 3d).
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SonyNGP  +   1504d ago
I disagree because I've personally tried 3D gaming with Samsung and Sony TVs. Sure, the effects are nice and all, but it's more of a novelty type of thing, rather than a game changer as the title states.

Keep in mind that not everyone lives in the United States, the cheapest 3DTV I could find over here has a pricetag of $2255 (40" Samsung LCD) and the glasses are a whooping $240 each!

I welcome 3D as an interesting idea, but making it sound like everyone must play games in 3D will soon mean that gaming in the next few years will require mandatory 3D (which is a kick in the balls for those who either cannot experience 3D due to some circumstances or those who do not wish to own a 3DTV).

That is all I have to say.
Penno  +   1504d ago
Also, why is there hardly any coverage of Sony's 3D games on the big gaming sites? Surely Sony must have sent them all a 3D TV by now, even if it's just for a quick loan. This is like, the first proper review I've seen and it's not even a gaming website.
xg-ei8ht  +   1504d ago
M$ always lets Sony test the water, and when they think they've got the all clear to jump in, they forget they can't swim.
SonyNGP  +   1504d ago
3D always has, and always will be a gimmick.
DA_SHREDDER  +   1504d ago
After being on n4g for a couple of years, and having experienced 3-D tv for the first time in my life yesterday, I now see how most of you on here are the dumbest pieces of shit on the net. Seeing 3-D for the first time has blown me away and now im not interested in 2-D at all.

To anyone who has yet to experience, just go to your local best buy and ask them to show you a demo. Its mindblowing. Dont take other peoples word for it, they are fuckin dumb asses.

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