Paranerds.com present a top ten list that is a little different. This time we look at the dumb moves, dumb choices, dumb results and all in all dumb things that Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony has done over the years.
another excuse to bring up the lack of BC on the ps3, get over it!
you own a ps3 :P
I do own a ps3 and also a working launch slim ps2 and I'm sure many other still have one(ps2) that works. So PS3 lacking in BC isn't that much of a big deal at all.
And I can play my PS2 games on it. Everyone had the chance to get one.
I guess people continue to forget that the 360 is only compatible with a handful of Xbox games.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/g... Yeah..that sure is a "handful" alright... Saddly though, the one I have that I can't play is MGS2 substance. Every other xbox game I have plays perfectly fine. And...what's funny is this list isnt limited to any specific model of 360. ALL units are capable of playing these games.
My PS3 plays old PS2 games just fine, but I prefer to play PS3 games on it. If I wanted to play PS2 games I would have kept my PS2 - or bought a PS3 console that could play PS2 games. Oh wait, that's right. I did. Just like millions of others did. Now if you want to play PS2 games you have to go on ebay and buy a PS2 for $50. Oh noooo! Or buy a PS2, which they're still selling. Aren't these guys sick of bitching about BC yet? It's been, like, 3 years now.
People complained about the PS3 being too expensive and Sony took out the features they could based on what they cost AND what people actually used to reduce costs. guess what? Even those of us WITH BC PS3s didn't use it very much. That's why i often feel the clamour for BC to return is mainly coming from people with zero intentions of ever buying a PS3. Recently our camping PS2 died(festival accident)so I needed to replace it. It cost me £20 to get a decent used one with a ton of games included. Seriously, the lack of BC is not an issue for anyone who can buy a PS3 in the first place and in the past year I've played precisely two hours of PS2 games on my 60gig PS3. Since Persona4 there's been precious little released that you'd want anyway and certainly NOT above actual PS3 games. Another point is that it WILL return and in a massive way when Sony release the next PSP. It playing the entire back catalogue of the greatest console ever(imho-as far as a library of varied, quality gaming is concerned at least)will be Sony's best crack at the handheld market EVER and they aren't daft enough to pass up putting all the games on the PSN. Fact remains, though, that portable gaming is where you'll WANT to pay PS2 games when current gen titles are what you really want your PS3 for, no? You want to play PS2 games? then you can and for WAY,WAY less than buying a PS3. Failing that or if you live in such a tiny place that you cannot fit two consoles in your home buy a launch PS3. There are choices but the question does NOT need answering at all-not these days anyway.
Hardware BC is expensive and software BC is inefficient. Buy a Ps2 and Xbox original. They're cheap, and guess what?! They have ONE HUNDRED PERFECT Ps2/xbox "BC"! Yeaaaa!
people need to stop bitching about ps2 backwards compatibility you had a chance to get one, and you can still buy a ps2 easily so please stop fucking whining >:(
The people who complain about BC are the ones who said BC didn't matter and Sony should just take it out to lower the price of the PS3. I was a defender of BC because its an important feature to me. I supported that feature by buying a PS3 when it still had that feature. The people who attacked BC are now the ones complaining about how stupid Sony is to take it out in the first place.
I bought a 60gb in 2007 that popped, and loved the BC back then...but can admit I don't use it nearly as much as I used to...and that 60gb ylod'd, but I was able to get another 60gb in its place from Sony... I like having it, even though I rarely use it...and to me it really is shitty that Sony removed it...Anyone saying 'go buy a PS2' is dead wrong imo...as the BC PS3's were WAY better than PS2 with wired controllers...You had nearly unlimited save slots as you could 'create' memory cards on the HDD and swap them in and out of the 'slots' from the OS during gameplay...not to mention a DS3 being far superior to any wireless controller ever offered for the PS2...don't really recall how well the upscaling or 'smoothing' worked for PS2 games on the BC PS3's...but to me the PS3 playing PS2 games was much more convenient that having another console under my TV... If it wasn't there from the beginning I probably never would have cared...but it does suck they removed it...
Fat PS3 was 600$ For most that is not an option. Backwards compatibility is standard now.360 has it. Wii has it. Why can't PS3 owners have it too? Why are you guys trying to defend them removing features that have become industry standard? Besides, it is annoying having to unplug and plug in everything to switch between consoles.
dude right now 360 will cost u $350 and down the line (5 more years end of this gen) $600 and ps3 has ps1 backwords compatibility and xbox360 only has some games backwords compatibile and not all 360s can even play those few games lol u fail
Don't you need a hard drive for BC on 360? SO it's not a standard, plus it doesn't work with all games. The PS3 has a universal hard drives and plays all PSone games ( correct me if I'm wrong )
The Wii can play my N64 cartridges? PS: A 60GB PS3 is $350 at this point. 20GB and 80GB models are even cheaper.
I guess people like paying 600 dollars [i did, btw] for their game consoles, and i guess they like features being removed, and also like having to unplug systems just to play PS2. I guess they also disagree about the wii and 360 having backwards compatibility too. Honestly though, it's frustrating beyond belief to see that you have disagrees... I hate the fact that theres no backward compatibilities in the new PS3 models, cause, if my 60GB model ever breaks, then im screwed. -.- How could somebody possibly click disagree? GggggaaaAAawWWddDDdddd people are stupid. >.<
DING DONG .. This is a message to inform those who don't know that every ps3 ( slim or not ) is still BC compatible with PS1 games . This is all
#1 should have been MS rushing the 360 out to the market with its hardware problems
why dont people just get over it the number 1 reason why the ps3 doesn't have BC is the fact that the PS2 is still out and selling
I find it very weird that people are saying the PS2 is still being sold. There's three game shops where I live and not one of them sell a PS2, not even a used one. Having said that, they do sell pre-owned PS2 games and they're dirt cheap too.
every shop i have been to that sells consoles still has brand new ps2s for sale Kmart EBgames Game JBHIFI Tandys Toyrus target every single one there not hard to find and are cheap as anything it would cost you less to buy a new ps2 and a ps3 slim than it would to get a 60gig BC ps3 so who cares about BC i dont use it on mine anyway i have 2 ps2s for that.
What's with the 8 disagrees? Is it really that surprising that there are three shops that don't sell PS2s? Hell, when my PS2 broke a few months back I had to buy a new one on Ebay because the shops where I live hadn't got them. The Sony fanboys on this site need to calm the hell down. @MRMagoo123: Different countries/companies have different suppliers, maybe? You're lucky if you can just walk into a Toys'R'Us and pick up a PS2. Saves you having to go and buy one online and wait a month for it to arrive.
A lot of these aren't really "what were they thinking?" moments. Like Nintendo 64 using cartridges, Game Boy Advance no backlight, No Gameboy Advance in Nintendo DSI, and Playstation 3 will not play Playstation 2 games. Some of those are a tad disappointing, but not "ZOMG WTF WERE THEY THINKING"
How can releasing a console that's broken on at least 50% of every owner who's bought one since 2005 NOT top the list? There can be NO bigger "no no" blunder than that....Not ever.
The writer explained that in the comments section on his article: "A) it wasn’t a choice, Microsoft did not CHOOSE to put the RROD in there, it happened, everything else on the list wasn’t due to failure of the console but due to choices made by the companies."
Microsoft put that console out KNOWING it was defective prone. They knew, but they didn't care, because getting to the market first was the priority for them. Microsoft knowingly put broken consoles out on the market ON PURPOSE, rather, for a purpose, N4PS3Fanboys.
Just another stupid excuse for xbox fans (without ps3 most of the time) to complain about things they don't care :)
nobody cares about ps2 games now, even if you play 24H/24H, you don't have time to play all the great ps3 games (and online is endless), nobody wants to play old games on a flat screen tv, even if the games are good (this is the reason why gamers want some remake hd of the best games)
"maybe the guy is stuck in 2007 "
maybe it's just another ridiculous blog (paid by ms or just created by fanboyz) ?
"If the ps3 avoided blu-ray and cell processor at launch and instead just made it backwards compatible I'd wager that it could have sold at least 20m more consoles than what it has already"
Lol, you are so wrong.
DO you really think it was better for gamers to not have the best games/graphics, and bluray, just to sell more (the first year only, because now, it makes the difference and success + bluray "trojan" for movies industry was a great idea, who 'll gives billions to sony for several years)
I didn't buy a PS3 to play PS2 games... I played them last gen.
I'm glad you feel that way
You missed the existance of consoles like the Jaguar, Panasonic 3D0 and Atari 5200.
didn't miss it, only did Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. If we were to do it all, it would be a top 1000 dumb moves. That's too many dumb moves.
$599.99. 'nuff said.
Xbox Live times 6 years + $299 for the console + $99 wifi + $30 charger 54% failure rate $730...
how can u dissagree with prices? lol
The XBox launched at $399 in the US so you can add another $100
$299 for the console +($99 wifi) if you are that stupid to buy to your slim a wifi connector + ($30 charger) or you just can buy for 5-10$ some rechargeable batteries.
It would also be stupid to pay $600 for a PS3 now, but he was talking about launch. At launch if you wanted wifi on the XBox you had to buy an adapter. But I think he has one too many years of Live, shouldn't it only be 5 so far?
Live launched in 2002 - but the 360 has only been out 4.5 years now (which makes 5 payments for LIVE) so you are correct..
Sony made so many mistakes with the ps3 it's not even funny. Thankfully they are actually turning a profit now because I think it would be a terribly sad day for gaming if Sony left the industry. @gamerzBEreal the difference is microsoft gave you the option and that is a more economically friendly way for the company. Microsoft seriously out-foxed sony this gen. Sony had the right idea for profit with the ps2 selling memory cards at ridiculous amounts when the xbox had built in memory.
If Sony leaves the gaming arena I think I'd probably stop console gaming. Move solely to PC. That's just my opinion though. Sony seems to be the only that caters to all crowds and mainly focuses on the core.
How does someone make a list like that, yet not bring up the issues with Immersion at the time in the case of rumble on the PS3? Granted it was Sony's fault for not settling like MS and Nintendo, who also stole the tech, but the writer makes it sounds like it was a deliberate choice that was never corrected.
maybe the guy is stuck in 2007
why do people bring up $599.99 now. If you have not noticed the ps3 is not $599.99 anymore. Its like people are still stuck in 2007.
20GB 360 was $399. That's shameful and hilarious imo.
I'm fairly sure standard launch PS3's were 40GB at $599. How's 20GB at $399 shameful considering how many non-standard memory ideas were used back in '05 (game installs, vast amount of DLC, bigger arcade games)?
Let's stay within the timeline: 360 Pro/Premium 20GB - $399 PS3 20GB - $499 At the time, $100 was the difference in price (still is actually) and for it, you got BluRay. And it worked. To pay $400 for a broken DVD player is again, imo, shameful and hilarious. EDIT: No, you don't see. If you did, you would see there is nothing wrong with claiming 2005 360s were broken DVD players. They were and are. Unless of course, you were one of the lucky 6 people to have a launch console not fail. Instead of playing defense attorney for the butthurt, accept my statements and move on. Launch 360s were shit, launch PS3s were uber-overpriced...life goes on.
So instead of making a reasonable backing of your statement, you instead enter the fanboyish remarks of other features that have no correlation with your previous assertion (atm).
I recommend editing your first statement and add in the "broken 360" part so everyone can know your true intentions.
"The slogan for Playstation 3 is “it does everything” yeah, everything. Except play its own games."
@ UP: try putting a PS2 game in there and let me know how it works out for ya! lmaooo
it plays its own games, ps3 games. you owned yourself. Edit: Try reading my comment again the ps3 plays its own games PS3 GAMES. If you look at the ps3 console there is no 2 by the PS.
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I get torn about the whole PS3/PS2 BC stuff. When I first bought my PS3 back in '07 the lack of BC was dissapointing since partly the reason for PS2 being so successful was being to play your old PS1 games. On the other hand, new generation, new tech and not just the consoles, the TV's. Last gen I loved God of War but never played the sequel. Picking up the God of War collection on the PS3 and being able to play God of War 2 at 720P, everything looking sharp, crisp and clear was just wonderful. I wouldn't know that if I had got a PS3 that does have BC and I played a PS2 copy of God of War 2, despite the gameplay experience being the same, wouldn't of looked as good being all stretched out on a HDTV. I tried playing a copy of SA on my friends PS3 that has BC and, well, it wasn't good. It looked stretched out, a little awkward and the colours didn't look right. All these wonderful games you played wouldn't look as good as you remember. Just my 2 cents on it.
"I have a fat PS3
And I can play my PS2 games on it. Everyone had the chance to get one"
everyone that didn't have to mortgage their house in order to do so...
If cash is the issue just buy a second hand PS2. I got one recently with over twenty games for £20. Seriously, there's no mileage in this. Sony took out the feature because it could help reduce costs(which was a MUCH bigger concern as you point out)AND it was one of the LEAST USED features by PS3 owners at the time. They did the research and now it's mainly 360/Wii zealots who complain about that choice even when it's so cheap to own a PS2 that it's not even funny, a problem or something anyone could possibly moan about while keeping a straight face. It's almost as silly as a PS3 fanboy ripping on current 360s for not playing HDDVDs, imho. It's just a non issue as there are cheap as chip workarounds and people, like me, with BC PS3 never bloody use it anyway! I also NEVER play old Xbox games on my 360 and only own ONE GCN game that I've even put IN my Wii. Most of us have a massive backlog of games we haven't got to from the current generation(I've got Wii,PC,360,SP,DSi AND 360 games waiting to be played-why would I waste time on games I played years ago? Why would anyone?)and the only time I now play ANY PS2 games is when I go camping/to the beach or to a festival and take my old Trinitron and PS2 with me. I killed a 360 taking it camping and don't want to risk another PS360 in that way but do find that taking the Wii out and about is a great giggle esp with casual games because of the less than gamey setting-off topic but, it's summer, and I likes me some outdoors gaming sessions esp with random people at festivals! We managed an SSX Tricky comp with over 60 competitors at one Glasto! I did an England and played like crap, gimped my way through to knockout and got roundly slapped by some German bird who, she claimed, had never played before that night. BS, she went on to lose in the finals! Then this year someone managed to boot the poor, ailing Slim PS2 into the only puddle within 50 miles of our tent!
I agree with you mastiff, but from my experience backwards compatibility is a big reason why a lot of people avoided the ps3. That and its cost. It's a convenience thing. I can only speak from word of mouth but at the end of the day word of mouth is what the casual gamers hear and that is the biggest market. Only one of my friends actually plays games that doesn't revolve around Call of Duty, Fifa, or the wii. If the ps3 avoided blu-ray and cell processor at launch and instead just made it backwards compatible I'd wager that it could have sold at least 20m more consoles than what it has already. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that it is a terrible business plan.
A mortgage for a ps3 lol i got a ps3 at launch and i was on the dole at the time it cost me $1000 over here i saved for a little while before it released its what grownups do so they can afford the stuff they want.
I guess I shouldn't have made a remark that goes against PS3 on here. Just by seeing how many are defending Sony from removing BC. Is it possible to at least have a honest opinion on here or must everyone defend one's own company?
It's not even that fella. I don't doubt you think it's an issue but I do fail to see why and as no one I know who has a launch model with BC actually uses the feature AND Sony checked that very thing before taking it out the debate has grown tiresome. Loads of trolls and fanboys of opposing consoles(daft, I know)also keep this one burning and when it's so cheap to buy a used PS2 I don't see an issue anyway esp when PS2 games are simply best played on a PS2 anyway. It's just an argument a lot of people with no fanboy nonsense in them have had enough of. Stuff needed removing so Sony could take the price down. they found which bits weren't being used, BC was one of them, and they took them out. The price dropped, everyone was happy and then we started getting these BC issues over and over again when no one even buys bloody PS2 games anymore! I wouldn't dream of tarring everyone with the fanboy brush(and you shouldn't really either)but, really, I doubt you spend al your time playing old Xbox and GCN games on 360 and Wii now do you? Wasn't it the right choice by Sony if it helped more people buy the console anyway? Honestly, you don't need to be a Sony fan or fanboy to think this moan has been done to death and beyond and often by people who simply hate Sony. It's because we owners of PS3s feel most of this is coming from haters that we get annoyed about the BC debate-when it's £20 for a PS2 is it really worth mentioning? Current games for current consoles. It's the way forwards to my mind. I deliberately got a 60gig with BC myself and honestly haven't ever used it for more than twelve hours in total. Used to play a bit of SotC just to remind myself at one time but apart from that I've started Persona3 and 4 on it before finishing them on a PS2 where they looked better anyway. And there will never be another release as good as those ON PS2-the time for worrying over this is long, long gone-even if it ever existed.
You are spot on with that post. I currently own the slim PS3 but had the 60gig since launch and played maybe 2 PS2 games during that 3 year period.
I'd like to first state that I own a PS3 as well so plz don't mistake me with "lot of people with no fanboy nonsense in them". I'm not complaining personally but that doesn't mean it can be expelled from existance with the thinking that "how many ppl play PS2 BC games?" because that's really the same kind of thinking that's allowing the market to soon be saturated with PS2 "HD remakes".
I know it was smart in the business sense for Sony, I can certainly understand that, but do you really think that the consumer should be treated in such a way and for said consumer to actually back Sony on this? Sorry but your way of thinking on the matter is how companies are able to get away with taking away of certain things.
The model basically the same as a "power grab" when you think about it. First it's BC, then this and that, and most recently the Other OS on the new update. I'm not saying these are a huge deal to me but if Sony fanboys or respectable fans try to brush these features away with "who uses them anyway" then I'll simply have to spout my honest opinion.
I think Kinect will be the virtual boy of this gen.
kinect= 32x 360 HD-dvd= Sega Cd
With the absurd price and rarity of the PS2 I can certainly understand.Everyone seems to have the sickness and everyone seems to need the cure.....it's 79.99...... I have a launch 60, :) and it never is subjected to last gen greatness....it's little bro handles such duty,admirably.
The biggest pisstake about that is that if you desire a wireless connection on the older models then you actually have to shell out 60 whopping quid for the official Xbox wireless adapter thingy (as I'm sure a lot of you folk know already). The bloody nerve! I discovered that way back in 2007 when I indulged in my first online play and thought "yeah good one M$...get stuffed!" To this day I still use my 5 metre long ethernet cable when connecting to XboxLive. It looks ugly, it's an inconvenience, but hey: it cost about 2 pounds. And I'll be damned if I'm to give M$ more money for their own mistakes.
Sorry for the rant, but that's always been a huge sticking point with me.
Okay I just want to say, GET OVER IT!!! Seriously all those were in the past, some people don't even think about most of that stuff anymore, I mean seriously? Seriously? Did it hurt the Author that much? Really? Come on, these articles are so completely useless to even see/read (gaze over, poop on whatever), let-alone write. Let the past go.
I would like my hdtv to have BC....for nostalgic purposes of course. Also,I feel cheated for having gone high def and receiving little if any low(er) def moments. What was I thinking !!?
I know you are trying to make a point, but hdtvs are bc. They can play low def along with high-def programing/discs/etc.
people went out bought a ps3 knowing they don't run ps2 games and now their angry?
I had been saving a VHS player for this moment. BZone,an example through comparison....maybe not a great one but somewhat relevant. Cannot move forward when looking backwards yet cannot understand forward without looking backward.