As we know, RTS games generally don't fare too well on consoles, due to control limitations. But the PlayStation Move does open up some interesting options that haven't been possible before
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Like hell this game would ever go over to consoles, SC2 is built by the PC, for the PC and shall perish on anything other than the mighty PC
This will happen. The doubters are wrong. LOL at Starcraft 2 being too powerful for consoles. RTS games don't need that much power at all.
@darkmurder, mikeslemonade could be right. From the specs I read, SC2 is only running on dx9c. I think the PS3 could very well run it.
this kinds of comments are made by people who don't play RTS titles.
It's not the power but the complexities Sure it could RUN on ps3, but would it be fun? You need the pc interface for RTS games... it's sad but nothing else feels quite the same =/
Imagine trying to micro with a Move... Good luck.
How do RTS games not need very much power? If anything, they're the ones that need the most. The reason the graphics are never quite up to FPS (or other genre) standards is because there can literally be 200+ units on screen all requiring complex AI and pathfinding. Not to mention all the effects that come along with their attacks.
The mouse control with the Move is only one part. Playing Starcraft 2 without a keyboard for hotkeys is like trying to use a controller without opposable thumbs. You'd need either a full keyboard plugin or another device with a hell of a lot more buttons.
Yup, definitely HipHopGamer. XD Hotkeys? MMORPGs require a lot of hotkeys yet they're still possible on consoles. Starcraft 1 was possible on the N64.
Dunno about starcraft 2. That game is one of the most appreciated PC games so let it stay there. However, there is a clear potential for custom made RTS coming to a PS MOVE close to you. Regarding the power needed, AI of hundred units at the same time + effects and stuff, I'm pretty sure the PS3 is more than capable to handle that. The issue with RTS on consoles is that devels wont be making one exclusively for MOVE, it would have to support the DS3/xbox pad as well. So the gameplay will be dumbed down from the get go. I'm not sure if games as RUSE will be substantially different whether you are using MOVe or not.
I said the same thing!!! thats friggin crazy. U can distinguish that sound from anything. Ha!
I dont see any reason why Sony shouldn't be gunning for Starcraft 2 & Civilization 5. Not only could the PS3 (probably)run those games, they could do it the way that RTS games are supposed to be played. (With a Keyboard & Mouse) Move looks like it is going to be perfect for some RTS action, but I guess we will have to see how Ruse pans out first.
@Lou-Cipher, I would also love to see both those strategy games on the PS3 with Move support. Graphically, I don't think either would be too intense for the PS3 to handle. From what I've read, SC2 is only running at dx9c which is just about where the PS3/360 are running. Civ 5 is turn-based, so it shouldn't be too much either and they've already done Civ Rev for the consoles.
+ 1 I could have sworn this was a HHG title as well.
StarCraft 2 and PlayStation Move = something I really want to try it out...
Or they could just have kb+mouse support. It's that simple. I don't understand why more games don't implement this. UT3 is the only one I know of. Correct me if I'm wrong.
MOVE will never ever beat hotkeys on kb+mouse! PS3 is already supporting this by default and it bugs me a lot due to the lack of support of this feature by the devs especially those making FPS!
Give it a couple months after PS Move's release and we'll have some third party applications that will be able to retrofit PS Move into PC games.
StarCraft 2 on PS3 would blow my mind, id love 2 play it, my laptops 4 years old and i didnt buy it with the intent of playin games on it (it wouldnt even run Hitman Contracts) Ill probably buy a new laptop in the new year anyway, i was gonna specifically ask that StarCraft would run perfectly
This site has lost its mind, they are coming up with anything and everthing when it comes to articles on kinect and move, its getting as bad as political journalism in here
Yeah man. It just gets more ridiculous everyday.
unless ps3 can support keyboard and mouse while in-game, no SC2 should not be on ps3.. even with move.
it can unreal tournament 3 had it
And LittleBigPlanet 2 is getting keyboard along with mouse support.
does support keyboard and mouse. One thing which PS3 had an advantage over the PC. The games can't be pirated yet. As for the PC, I've already heard that SC2 is all over the net in the form of torrent.
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ps move is a 3d mouse, you silly person, so all we need is keyboard support!!
It really annoys me when people think the extent of an RTS is your ability to pick units. Any real RTS player will tell you you make hundreds of moves a minute using both the mouse AND keyboard, key bindings are the most important element of an RTS, just because the Wii mote or Move can highlight units does not make it a good method for playing RTS. Like anyone who has played the SC2 beta knows that even at double the speed he was showing you would still get steam rolled in less then ten minutes. Thats not even taking into account a more micro base game like Warcraft 3, how are you going to manage using the abilities and spells of dozens of groups and your hero using that?
i do think the innovation of the way they are tryin to use the move for a rts is great. i just dont see it ever being good enough for a true hardcore rts. i think it would work good for a more casual rts something like how civilization revolution was. but for a more hardcore rts you do need to have micro managing if you cant make at least a minumum of 6 groups to hotkey then idk how you could ever expect to compete with keyboard mouse. not saying you cant use keyboard and mouse with ps3 just saying i dont see move being the answer. but hey i would love to see them prove me wronge and woudl love more rts's on the ps3 i still play civilization revolution on ps3 and civilization IV on pc. also cant wait for starcraft 2 been to long to long.
but voice command is a viable alternative. Highlight a group of marines and say 'Group 1' Highlight mage and say 'Blizzard'
EndWar tried that it didn't work well. You just won't get it unless you actually play the game. You would never be able to do it fast enough to rotate your lines, or would you want people to be getting into complicated commands like Group 1, units 1 5 and 6, move to the back, priest heal and inner fire. It doesn't actually work. Could they make a much simpler RTS game ala Halo Wars? Sure but comparing an RTS like that to Warcraft, Starcraft, or Dawn of War is worlds apart. Its like Civ 4 to Civ Revolution, Civ Revolution was pretty much the kids version of Civ 4, all the complexity of the game was stripped out.
Odions comment aptly applies to you: "this kind of comments are made by people who don't play RTS titles. " B.S voice commands are a viable alternative to a keyboard, that is the dumbest thing I have read today... Pressing 1, then clicking, pressing 2 then clicking on a different enemy, then pressing 3 and clicking on a different enemy, and again for 4...takes 1-2 seconds...how long would it take you to do that with 4 groups via voice command. I really need to reiterate Odions comments again, because I can't fathow how you could believe what you wrote...i'll try it again in bold. "THIS KIND OF COMMENT IS MADE BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT PLAY RTS TITLES" The keyboard advantage is not just for pro players, I only play skirmish against the A.I, and it would still be insanely retarded playing with move... it would take you 10x as long to do everything, fights would be boring, slow, and unstrategic... at the 10 minute mark you would have a few buildings and units whereas on PC uoi would have a well set up base and a small army... RTS+ motion control = massive fail
Actually, EndWar is the reason why i said that the tech isn't perfected yet. Maybe i don't get it, but wouldn't sending units 1,5 & 6 to the back involve first selecting them by mouseclicks and then clicking on the space behind them? In that case, why would it be any different if you use the Move instead of a mouse? And if the priest is part of Group 1, saying 'Grp 1, heal' will bring up a cursor that will heal whatever unit you click on. The KB will obviously be faster (the PS3 actually supports M&KB btw) but i still think it can work if devs come up with some creative control scheme.
"Maybe i don't get it, but wouldn't sending units 1,5 & 6 to the back involve first selecting them by mouse clicks and then clicking on the space behind them?" Like I said, you obviously don't play RTS. The entire point I have made, and odion went completely over your head. HOTKEYS and a keyboard is the main reason that move will suck in RTS. In addition to the mouse difference. You select a unit, or units. You press CTRL + ( any number ) from then on, you simply press that number and it selects that unit, it means you never have to scroll or highlight to select that unit again. You can switch between multiple groups or units in 1 second, you have your mouse cursor over a general area and you press the number with your left hand, then right click on an enemy unit, you only have to move the mouse a few cm's and you press another button with your left hand, and right click....you can attack multiple enemies at the same time with HOTKEYS ( which is the pre-set group number ) and you can do this in 1 second. It might take you 10 seconds to manually highlight and select ( inaccurately..possible even selecting the wrong units/missing out on some units ) and then attack a different enemy, each time manually moving the move controll to highlight...that is the reason move will not work. Even if you could toggle through groups with move, it would be extremely hard to create groups on the fly and even harder to have to scroll through the many groups to get a specific unit...
Sony has already shown proof the Move can work well with RTSs like R.U.S.E, why not give the Starcraft thing a try? Really, what's the worse that can happen. If they say no we won't have it. If they agree, then one more epic game joins the line up.I don't understand what is with the hostility. I am sure they can find a way to make it work.
the main reason why realy hardcore rts players wont you a controller is lack of buttons you guys should watch them korean players they micro like crazy move wont offer enough buttons to really compare to the keyboard. i probably us about 5 group units which are 12345 buttons so i can fastly select my troops on wc3 not including hotkeys for skills and troops construction ect. move will be accurate but it will never compare to mouse accuracy my mouse has 1000dpi (dots per inch) which move cant compare to and there are mouses that go up to 5000dpi. but the keyboard is really the key to rts success. i think that more rts should come to consoles with mouse/keyboard controls and it will be successful. just look how this guy pwns spider mines http://www.youtube.com/watc... good luck doing that with a move controller
Wow emk2004 you totally, and completely missed the point. This is not about the 0.0000000000000001% of people who are elite RTS gamers those people don't play consoles in the first place, and publishers could care less about making games for such a very tiny market. This is about consoles players, and the general public, and they don't want a whole bunch of buttons or convoluted, complicated control scemes. The simplier the better. Thats why I am interested in R.U.S.E. as it is supposed to be designed for console gamers, and have a easy to use interface.
Blizzard cant stand consoles. This will never happen. So here's an idea: PLAY IT ON A PC!
Wow. You guys sound like you are foaming at the mouth there. You should write not rant your points. I am just saying that Sony should try. IF they came to an agreement with the Starcraft developers I am sure they will adapt the tech so it doesn't catch our 'inferior PS3s' on fire. Even if something like this happened, it wouldn't diminish your Starcraft 2 experience on the PC would it? So like I said. What is with the hostility? You need to calm down. It was just a suggestion, not a certainly.
It's not about PS3's catching on fire from strain. It's about Move being a slow ass way to move stuff around compared to a mouse and keyboard. Sony SORT of supports a mouse and keyboard on the PS3 but THIS 'article thing' that HHG wrote was about using MOVE which is a HORRIBLE idea for most RTS players. RTS is about very rapidly making and using keyboard bindings and only using a mouse to tell something (usually a huge budget unit rush) where to go. It's not motion control friendly unless you make a slow simple RTS especially for those controls.
... The SC2 devs. I'm really looking forward to Move, but we have to be realistic, I don't think RTS would work. It'd work for selecting units, but you need a keyboard for StarCraft. (Watch these vids, you'll see why: http://www2.razerzone.com/t... ) That being said, Move will be AWESOME for the action/adventure genre. Demon's Souls 2 would be sick with Move support, and Sorcery looks really fun. I'm not sold on shooters yet, because I've gotten so good with dual analog and I like it a lot, I don't see motion controls replacing it, but I'll give Socom 4 a try with Move. (If I had a rig to play FPSs on PC I would do that, but all I have is a laptop. And I actually REALLY like dual analog anyways, although I will admit Mouse&KB kills it.)
does'nt know the first thing about how to properly play a RTS. Hundreds of moves, bound keys, tons of buttons. A match made in heaven; SC2 and a good PC. Wanna make a match in hell... put it on a console.
own a PS3. PS3 does support mouse and keyboard.
Yeah but the big question was can MOVE play SC2 well, not Mouse and keyboard. We already know that M&K can.
from Sony was demonstrating the Move with a RTS game, it can be done. It's up to the developer to support it.
And truthfully I kind of believe it would be possible, all you're talking about here is basically replacing the mouse with the move and using that with the keyboard. You'll still have the micro managing abilities because you still have the keyboard you're just swapping out the mouse for the move although the difference in power would be the shortcoming.
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Starcraft is a game of Keyboard-freaks. Mouse and menu types will just die. Waggle 2.0 will just be a big slowdown. Seriously. Neither Kinect nor Move has anything to offer Starcraft 2 or any other serious in depth RTS. I don't even think voice activation would help much (it sure didn't in Endwar). You'd have to make a stripped down RTS (like Halo Wars) or something to use Move or a console controller well. Otherwise you'd end up with a mess like the middle Earth RTS for 360 and PS3 or Red Alert or Command and Cnquer or that AWFUL Supreme Commander 2 thing. Even Battlemarch didn't work very well on consoles.
and it could work. (Good luck getting 200+ APM with Move! 20 might be more realistic.)
Yeah but then you just use a plugged in USB mouse and keyboard. Like on a PC. But, the idea presented here was using Move.
Starcraft 2 for the ps3 or not. PS Move will be definitely getting some sweet RTS games in the near future.
Sounds like a great idea. I'll be buying StarCraft 2 next week. Anyone with me!?
ps3 has the option of a mouse or keyboard.it has the option of move and ds3. who says that an rts on ps3 or even consoles HAS TO PLAY like the pc version? "it will never work."the micros would be just crazy." every other genre HAS worked on console from simulation,racing,puzzle,FPS,T PS,etc.to close your mind to the possibility of a console rts that would work shows the elitism of the pc gamer.i mean,ps3 gamers have some degree because of sony's hard work of trying to create the best games,but pc gamers are harden haters. either it works or it doesn't.i've played strategy games from dune,command and conquer,red alert,etc on console.and sure it's slower that a mouse,but it doesn't mean they didn't work,and were not fun. just wow at the pc gamers.....
RTS on consoles will not play like RTS on pc, similar to how fps on consoles differ from fps on pc. The game can be adapted to work with a Move/Nav combo, it doesn't need the complexities of a keyboard because; 1) Console gamers won't be going up against pc gamers 2) All console gamers will be using the same control scheme Move will open doors for RTS games developers and I don't see why Blizzard shouldn't take advantage and bring this game to ps3.
Sony should release their like idk official keyboard and mouse or something so we can play SC2 in PS3. way less hack just from being played on PS3. I play SC and fucking WAY too many hackers
Anyone who REALLY wants to play StarCraft II more than likely has a PC from 5 years ago, Blizzard isn't going to castrate their biggest IP for a couple extra bucks. Seriously, how can you NOT run this game, a Radeon 9800 Pro minimum (I bought one of those BEFORE Half-Life 2 came out in 2004...) I thought all you PS3 owners had PC's anyway to play 360's "exclusives"
to all the haters move is like having a 3d mouse so shut up, all we need is keyboard support as well and move+kb support = heaven now please shut up
A slower less responsive mouse. I'm sorry but it really isn't. Move will make slow paced Rts a dream but just wont work on a high speed one like SC. Move and cnc wouldn't be too bad though but that games just a spam anyway
stop spreading lies ps move is not slower and it definitely is not less responsive, yes there are games already that have not made the best use out of the move (fight night), but just watch their rts demo on their new move video, the ps move is very fast and precise, so please stop spreading lies http://www.youtube.com/watc...
So long as they don't do PC vs PS3 matches i can't really see why Starcraft 2 should not be good with move. Yes if you play with move against someone who can use keybinds, you would loose, but if you neither of you can, you could perfectly play.
I think you could play SC II on the move pretty good too. Just depends what commands and buttons are what. For controls I would let voice recognition do that. If you want to control 1, 2, or 3 etc, you could just say "control 1, 2, or 3 etc", and just say the number to use that key. Movement gestures like flicking it up to lift buildings or down to put units/supply depots down could be used, but also they could easily use buttons for those inputs.
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... Plays SC2, have fun come Tuesday, me and millions other will.
Although possible, SC2 would be greatly nerfed control wise if it was ever released on consoles with motion control support. It would be cool if the PS3 had more RTS games with m/kb support, but the genre doesn't need Move to be sucessful on the platform. OT: Since we're imagining SC2 going to the PS3, can the PC gamers get KZ3? Imagine the graphical capabilities of a Killzone game on the PC.
StarCraft 2 would be awesome with Move especially with its two WHOLE buttons. That blows my mind, it must be amazing. Get over it, it's not coming to PS3. Blizzard games look like shit anyway, you can run them on a netbook. Stop whining and just get it on PC, I'm sure your crappy 5 year old office PC can play it on max settings anyway.
This would be interesting. It wont happen though.