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Everyone knows that console players cant't compete in FPS because a mouse gives such an advantage over a controller.
It is just the mouse and keyboard advantage. PERIOD!
That is your opinion but I feel it is incorrect. It takes a lot more skill to use a M/KB but the reward for training on a M/KB is in the end a much greater accuracy control over your game. Just think like this, if a controller was better then why do nearly all console FPS have some sort of aim assist or auto aim feature? It is because the controllers are more restrictive and harder to use as efficiently and accurately as a M/KB. I do feel that controls have their place for platformers and racing games but for everything else M/KB FTW!
Neither one takes more skill. I know pc gamers who just can't use a controller cause they think it's too hard and vice versa. It's what your used to and what comes naturally.
Pfft are you retarded? Go play CS and get a kill in that and then say its 'not more skill'.
console gamers will never get better when all there is too choose from are other horrible console gamers. This is another big pro for dedicated servers. Some years back I'd only join one cs server where the well known cs teams played. If you were a newb you'd be kicked. Simple as that. :D I got kicked all the time from that server before I started playing competitively. Those players forced me to get good or get kicked. It wasn't long before I was in the positive k/d wise but I took quite a beating to get there.
and no i cannot play with a mouse a keyboard and that is because I am not a pc gamer just like my friends cant play with a controller because they are not console gamers. Cant believe how ignorant you sound. What ever you are brought up doing that is what you are good at. If I was always always a competive PC gamer I would probally loathe a controller. ITS NOT ABOUT SKILL ITS ABOUT PREFERANCE!
best combination is pc/ps3. you get uncharted 2, ds, ms, mgs4, mspr, pc you get fallout 2, 3 warcraft, starcraft, postal, aion, wow, and many more games.
Most gens, I usually game on at least 2 platforms. I may miss out on a good game or 2 but find usually 2 platforms more than fulfill my needs. This gen the PS3+PC are the best combo. If getting the absolute best multi-platform titles are a must then the PC version will do and If exclusives are a top priority, a PS3 will do nicely. Also the PS3 having Move fill in as a Wii upgrade for those into motion controls.
my two platforms this gen are ps3 and psp. psp you get to play some great exclusives/new installments and even sequels to your favorite franchises. if your a playstation fan you shouldnt miss out on what the psp has to offer.
That's if you like those games, of course.
Not a fact just an opinion and preference.
Actually it has nothing to do with the mouse and keyboard. A competent PC gamer will dominate console gamers on consoles like it's going out of style. Trust me on this one.
I recall whipping PC players asses in Shadowrun on 360. I even got the "Mine Is The Superior Platform" achievement within a few days which a lot of people didn't even get on 360. So does that make me more skilled or what?
lol im a pc gamer but wtf is a shadowrun?
lol a pc gamer that can't google.
Mouse and keyboard pwns all... Its good to play a game with precise controls...
It all depends on personal preference.
Ya but PC gamers are nerds.....so take that and shove it.
Also PC gamers have alot more experience over their much younger XBOX counterparts.
I don't age has much to do with it.
The input device is the most prevalent issue. Age and experience is a secondary issue. The mouse is just more accurate. That is why I like a little auto aim in my console shooter.
I think age has plenty to do with it. Most 360/PS3 owners are kids. Less PS3 owner are kids than 360 owners due to price again as parents don't want to pay extra for little Johny's gameboy. Nearly all PC users are adults. Due mostly to the cost factor. Adults in gaming > kids in gaming, any day I get so tired of kids on Live/PSN with their fowl mouths, or the kids who just rap into their mic's constantly. EDIT: dchalfont lol... Damn google tool bar doesn't correct my grammar, I am between appointments at work so rush typing doesn't help. COCKADODDLEDOO! lol. Agreed they are out there but generally there are a lot less on the PC.
but the ones here can't act like one. edit :"I get so tired of kids on Live/PSN with their fowl mouths, or the kids who just rap into their mic's constantly" I've played many online games on psn and probably the only time I heard a little foul mouthed kid was in MAG and even then he was shut before the game started.
"fowl mouths" http://static.bowenwang.com... Like this?. Sorry it was a funny spelling mistake... L4D PC is infested with 14 year old a$$holes too. I know that can be avoided by joining dedicated servers etc...but there are little $#!+s on all platforms.
I agree that there is more than likely a significant difference in the average age of console and PC users, but I don't think it has any real meaning in this debate. The best FPS gamers i've ever seen tend to be from say 16-25, mainly due to reaction times and time spent playing. When it comes to RTS and other genre's, the older may have it easier in terms of it being an dis/advantage, but even so I think the controller issue is a much bigger advantage than any advantage gained from being older/younger.
HDTV(depends what size) + PS3/360 + games= 1200 Gaming laptop= good ones for 1200 or less
Always feel sorry for people who spend money on "gaming" laptops. Admittedly they are getting better, but still aren't worth the money people fork out imo.
The thought of a laptop bought for gaming makes me cringe.
don't forget that the size depend, and if you get a hdtv a size just like for your pc then a 22 inch 1080p with hdmi and DVI cost like 220$ CDN dollars. So buying a good monitor do for both pc and ps3/360
@Zero, you can also go even bigger. I have a 40" LCD HDTV for my PC and PS3 in my bedroom. They are really cheap nowadays. I got mine at BestBuy for $500 with 18 mos. free interest (with tax and recycle fee, it works out to about $31 a month or around a $1 a day). Just a dollar a day to play some 1080p gaming goodness! Its so nice having a PC and console attached to the same monitor, switching between the two with ease. If a 40" is too big or too expensive, you can pick up a 32" for around $350. However, most 32" HDTV's are at the 720p (still great for gaming, though). @GOW3fan, for $1200, I got a decent gaming PC ($400), plus PS3 ($300), and a LCD HDTV ($500). Of course, that doesn't include games, but I also didn't buy them all at once.
It's true. Most of us have been playing FPS games since Doom and Quake. Not to mention, since consoles are more accessible than PCs, the bar is lower therefore those who otherwise would not consider themselves dedicated to gaming can obtain one without much difficulty. Personally, I don't like playing console shooters online unless I need an ego boost, it's almost too easy, especially when most players are absolutely lost without some kind of auto aim. It's a good decision to kill the cross platform, imo, because alot of console gamers would give up.
Ive been playing Since Wolfenstein and Terminal Terror-than i moved to console XD
Controles are just CRAP!!! i like more mouse and keyboard than one of those crappy Joystick, Joystick are just money making for company's like Microsoft/Nintendo and Sony, becouse they have no competition on that market. You don't need more skills for playing a Joystick, you learn about it and some people can't learn becouse of the clunsy design and play with Mouse and Keyboard. I don't like Dualshock or other Joystick, but those company's force me to buy one those and play them somthing i don't like it. "Mouse and Keyboard for FPS and RTS games. There is no equal. Especially some of the gaming mice designed specifically for FPS/RTS games. Controllers are too slow in comparison" Yes, to slow.......................... ..for people like my :)
Console Gaming > PC Gaming. It's fact. Just look at the numbers.
Toyota > Porsche It's fact. Just look at the numbers.
That entire comment wreaked of stupidity. Too slow? Ever heard of changing sensitivity? You just suck with pads because you never began playing with them. Pads are hella easier to play on when it comes down to gaming overall. I'd much rather play a racing game or a fighter on a controller than on a friggin' keyboard. Keyboards are only better than pads for MMOs, FPS, and RTS games. In FPS, all you're doing is jumping, shooting, and reloading, with the occasional lean feature or something. In MMOs, you got all your macros and such, and in RTS, macros + absolute control with the mouse. Not to mention the PS3 has keyboard and mouse support, and other tools like the FragFX controller which you can use with any game. Dunno how the controls are "crap" just because you can't use them.
My PC is for all my FPS and RTS games (which are simply better on a PC) while the PS3 makes a great complement with its remarkable lineup of exclusive games. I got my PS3 slim Oct. last year after the Slim launch and price drop. It's been a great purchase. I really enjoyed the major exclusives (like Uncharted 1 & 2, Infamous, GOW3, Heavy Rain) with some others that are not available on my PC (like Red Dead, Fight Night 4, Madden 10) and ones that are just better on the PS3 than the PC (like FIFA 10). Most of the 360 exclusives are also on PC and usually better so I haven't seen it being necessary to buy a 360 plus it's annual fee. Before you argue Live cross game chat, we PC gamers have already had it for ages with TeamSpeak, Ventrillo, and now Skype (all free, by the way). In fact, with my PC and PS3 connected to the same HDLCD TV, my friends and I have the ability to cross-platform chat. Also, the games that are truly exclusive, like Halo, I'm just not interested in since PC FPS's are so much better (IMHO).
Yeah if you've got the time spare the PC is a great platform. I've not got the time anymore.
Mouse and Keyboard for FPS and RTS games. There is no equal. Especially some of the gaming mice designed specifically for FPS/RTS games. Controllers are too slow in comparison.
@hoops. I'm with you 100%. Look at my post #7 and we're saying about the same thing. Only thing I added was a PS3 to round out my video game addiction (some things are just not available on our PC's anymore).
What if like me, you play PC games AND console games? MIND EXPLOSION Been doing PC gaming for years. I've played years of Counter-Strike and Source, and Quake and Unreal Tournament. PC games are easier because you always have such a high level of precision with a mouse. It's just easy to hit where ever you want at a whim. With console games, devs always have completely different optimizations for the pads. Some devs who like to be dicks don't even let you change the deadzone or sensitivities. I hate CoD but one thing I'll give it is allowing me to come really close to the level of precision I have on a PC. The aiming is really fluid for some reason. A lot of games feel really slow, clunky, and stale. With that said, it's purely perspective from there. Any PC gamer who tells you that PC FPS are better just because it's on a PC is nothing more than some jaded elitist who hasn't enjoyed the company of a woman yet or something. Likewise with console-only guys who say CoD and Halo are the best things to happen to them since their births.
Of course they do. When I decided to get a console I was blown away at how horrible everyone was. Easy pwnage. Live players are bad but to be honest PSN players are even worse. Fun for me so you wont hear me complaining. ;-)
UNREAL TOURNAMENT 3 ON PC HAS XBOX360 CONTROLLER SUPPORT AND THE GAME WILL NOT LET U USE AUTO AIM ONLINE..THE MENU EVEN SAYS THIS OPTION IS NOT AVALIBLE IN MULTIPLAYER GAMES...PLUS I DONE TESTING NONE. I WIN AGAINST KEYBOARD AND MOUSE USERS. ANYONE SAYING A CONTROLLER PLAYER CANT COMPETE AGAINST A KEYBOARD AND MOUSE PLAYER NO AUTO AIM..OBVIOUSLY JUST SUCKS AT USING A CONTROLLER..NOT EVERYONE HAS SAME SKILL SET ON A CONTROLLER SORRY.
OK, but you don't have to shout!!
yes he does...everyone's a goddamn idiot...u dont need auto aim on a controller...to play against keyboard and mouse users and still hang with them kill one another muchless controller vs controller auto aim is plain stupid ...anyone who need's auto aim/aim assist just a sucky controller player. get some coordination goddamn noobs. dreamcast quake 3 u could play against pc users...on dreamcast u could use keyboard and mouse also..but i seen controller players keeping up with mouse and keyboard players.
I can back up the claim that mouse/keyboard is superior with a science called Kinesiology AKA Human Kinetics. Contrary to what most people think, larger muscles are easier to control than smaller muscles. The mouse use all of your arm and shoulder muscles and joints. Also, finger joints are saddle joints. Very limited compare to the whole arm and its muscle groups. The muscles in your fingers do not have as much sensitivity, speed, range of motion, endurance, and power as your entire arm. Just look at it this way: Thumb versus Arm, Hand, Wrist, and Shoulder. The thumb alone is going to be slaughtered at aiming. FACT: Mouse/Keyboard is superior. Proper writing technique involves writing with your whole arm. Sadly, public education never address correct writing techniques and now children are writing with their wrists or fingers only making a whole lot of carpal tunnel and chicken scratch. Test it out yourself, how do you write? Wrist or fingers movement? Can be painful after prolonged writing. With proper technique from learning calligraphy, you can write days without feeling a thing. Likewise, you can use a mouse for hours and hours without cramps. Can you guys use science to prove otherwise that controller analog sticks are superior at aiming? Be it endurance, range of motion, power, speed, etc.
Yes...it's easier to aim with a mouse than a controller since ur using ur arm and arm to aim vs ur thumb on a controller. but controller has advantages..like dont have to worry about mouse going off ur mouse pad...or picking up mouse to turn...u can do complete spins on a analog mouse cant..u can adjust walking from running just by pressing analog lightly not all the way down...keyboard u gotta use 2 buttons.
anyone who doesnt suck at a controller can easily compete against a mouse and keyboard user..even if it's easier to target on a mouse.
I think that people should try and play a game like. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 with a mouse and keyboard. Also the guy that said something about it being easier to control larger muscles that's because of the movements, when doctors perform surgery they can't just use those muscles can they? It's about situation, nothing more or less. PC mouse and keyboard better for somethings just like controllers are better for others
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