Gamer Syndrome: Now the above statement seems rhetorical, because as gamers, the prospect of having another layer of monetized gaming is out of the question.
$50/year for a console is the most I will pay. I wouldn't be too bothered if Sony started charging the same. I will not pay for an individual game.
Hell no i'm not paying extra.
See, this is the BS that the 360 fanbase want as standard for the industry. They support paying for online in the hopes others start to charge for P2P online too so they can justify their stupidity for paying $250 this gen just to play their games online every year.
Disgusting the crap that is allowed to go on in the industry just to appease one fanbase.
I can clearly state, if Sony or PC games start charging for online I WILL NOT PAY A RED CENT. I'm a single player gamer first anyways but no way would I pay full price for a game if it had MP, only to pay another fee to access the content I already paid for on disc.
It's because of the 360 base that this is even a discussion. Argh, setting the gaming industry backwards, ticks me off to no end.
It has nothing to do with the fanbase, it's been a standard since the fisrt xbox. The reason peple don't have a problem paying for the service, is because they believe it's worth it.
Not true. What was the first console released in this current generation? Many people bought it because it was first. What happens when you have something that you want to use, but have to pay first and have no alternatives? You pay. What happens when all your friends have what you have and they're paying? You pay. What happens, regardless of how you feel about it, when you buy a multiplayer game and want to actually play it on the 360? You pay. There are many people that aren't taking full advantage of the "service" offered. They pay because they have to.
While the 360 may have been the first console out,but people were already paying for the online service on the original xbox. Which needless to say had significantly less features. People don't have to pay its an option considering there is another console with free online play. Look I don't like the fee, I mean who does? The reality is that it is a great service if you and a few people out there don't use all of the features provided, then that's also another conscious decision they are making just like paying. If it wasn't for the xbox we would probably still be stuck with the ps2 online interface which was lacking in every department.
and paying for MMO is stupid! so, paying more to play a game I bought already online? HELL NO! the day Sony also charge for online play is the day I stop playing online on console!
is as far it goes. Personally anyone paying to play online is a idiot. When the xbox first launched with xbox live membership and having to pay to play online, the internet swarmed with anger and statement it would fail, well guess MS is laughing in your face and now sony and nintendo are on their way to getting their piece. Now activison is next in line. Can you imagine paying not only for xbox live, but to pay so much to play MW2, and how bout BC2, and halo, etc. If activision starts charging for MW2, it will be the fastest return I'll ever do, and I hope the fanbase does the same. If we all say no, it wont happen for future games. This issue is all about future gaming and we have to draw the line here and now, otherwise, every game that releases, not only are you paying for the game, you have to pay per month/year for just online of that game.
I don't think anyone would be willing to pay ontop of live to play a game, well not including mmos. I don't care what game it is i'm sorry it wont happen.
Chubear is an idiot
orly 100 dollars a month for internet is the most ill pay i need to be able to download and playonline without affecting anything
Whether they be monthly or yearly. I pay a ton more a month for PG&E, Comcast, Netflix, Gamefly, and my Chase credit card. When I look at all those bills (especially Chase haha), the estimated monthly cost of Live is nothing. Good for all of you people that have a PS3 and are content with that. However, I do have a 360 and most (actually, all) of my friends are on that service, so I pay. It's not like I enjoy paying 50 bucks, but I don't think it's that big of a deal, considering that you can get it for 40 bucks, which amounts to about $3.33 a month. I don't know where to get that deal, but even at 50 a year it's what a dollar more per month? And honestly for me, the Xbox interface is a lot more convenient than the PS3 interface. It's just a lot easier to add friends and send messages and invite people and whatnot. If I had a choice I wouldn't pay it, but c'mon, we have more PS3 fanboys complaining about the Live fees than actual Live users haha. That's just my 2 cents though.
in my area live is 60
im fine with people wasting their money on xbox live, personally I wouldn't complain as it wouldn't effect me, but its going to, thankfully psn premium is free online for now, but Robert Kotick is thinking of charging online for 1 game, if they start, just like Sony and Nintendo who are following suit to xbox live with PSN premium, and whatever nintendo's is gonna be called, so imagine, every fps/multiplayer game you have/we have started charging for online play, your 50 dollars a month just went higher. Is that something you can still justify paying for. Oh please, the interface again, its the same as psn, its the opposite when navigating. And a shot at adding friends, well i just lol on that one as i think over the thought.
We pay for almost everything we use and consume. And if I am wasting my money on this, than I've wasted a ton more on other unnecessary things, such as subway sandwiches and mexican food when I have a ton of food at home. And nope, I find the 360 interface to be a lot more faster and convenient than the PS3's. "And a shot at adding friends, well i just lol on that one as i think over the thought. " Ok?
A sucker is born everyday after all.
I'm not paying anything except for my internet costs. That's final. Period.
What he said.
No, the only reason I pay for XBL Gold is becuase I have to unless I don't want to play the multiplayer part (aka 50% of most 360 games) of games I already payed for. It's a rip-off but MS really gives you no choice. Either pay or you can't play the full game.
xbox live gold gets so many members, cause you have too. psn prem does not include online play, but I suspect one day it will, if not then I'm wrong, great, this issue i would not mind being wrong on, but I know for fact the next PS will charge for online.
that is why ps3 is the best...
I pay 40 a year, and nope I would not pay more.
NO I don't pay for Live, I sure as hell wouldn't pay for this.
Will I pay for online play? I'll let Tracy Morgan answer for me...
Pay more for what exactly? what service is offered that I should pay extra for? Is it those non-existing dedicated servers? What exactly do you plan on offering, Bobby, that I should shell out for? Sony allows me to play for free, on their network in which you have little to no say. Matchmaking servers using peer to peer is not in anyway whatsoever chargeable for. You offer me nothing additional and want me to pay you more for it? Go f%&k yourselves. I will never pay anyone to play my games on my internet through my peer to peer connections that you basically did nothing except design lobbies for. Microsoft live is a ripoff too. Seriously? pay you to use my internet? Pay you for the BUILT IN feature of playing others , over MY INTERNET? PAY YOU EVERY MONTH? Go f*&k yourself Microsoft. You will never fool me again. I will never buy a 6th xbox either! I don't care if you put a 300 year warranty on it.I'm sick and tired of you dicking me and millions of others. As for you Activision, go ahead...shoot yourselves in the face, because that's what you'll be doing. I already buy all your Call of Duty (s) used. You don't pay the dev...I don't pay you, publisher. Fix your image and start playing nice and just maybe you wont HAVE to charge to play your games online, because everyone will start saying NICE things about you instead.
Already pay Cablevision for Internet Access. I will not pay twice for that.
I understand economic times are very rough right now, but pleasing and accomodating the consumer should still be at the forefront of any business.
Pachter talking that bull shit about Activision charging consumers to play CoD online is ridiculous. You already bought the game, now you have to pay to unlock features already on the disc? Some people are such sheep, if they go along with these sort of practices.
I stopped gaming on live because money is tight,why pay for live when I own a PS3 and I can game online for free.I would love to pay for Playstation Plus but i need more games,you guys think Playstion Plus is worth the price tag if I subscribe today?I was already going to gamestop for the sale so....
If you usually buy alot of things from the PSN store, then yes, it is worth the money. If not, then you shouldn't buy it.
@sidar- Yea, that is pretty fishy. Live is virtually a neccesity if you own a 360. Why would you stop paying for that in order to pay for an optional service that doesn't provide any extra features for online play?
"Ive gotten close to 35 bucks of stuff free already in 1 month and this is stuff i wanted to buy lol!"
Thats the thg. Not everyone is like you. Personally, the only thing PSN Plus offers that I'm remotely interested in is Wipeout HD. And regarding your comment that PSN Plus offers more value than Live, that is SUBJECTIVE. Live STILL has plenty of core online gaming features that PSN doesn't have yet and for many people, this ALONE makes Live a better service that PSN Plus.
PSN Plus is pretty much one big sale that you have to spend a lot of money to take advantage of. I can't speak for anyone else, but all I want from PSN is to play online. I don't care about themes, minis, PSOne Classics, or PSN games.
Ok, Not sure if im getting this...but You stopped paying for live...because money is tight...but you dont mind paying for Plus. I dont know but your story just sound fishy... @below I get that, but when money is tight its tight =P. O and nothing beats "Love" hahah. ( your typo at the end)
It depends, PS+ gives you far greater value than live does. You get tonnes of free stuff with PS+, very little with live and you still get to play online. Im not saying hes not trolling but for people like myself thats a no brainer as the value of PS+ is awesome. Ive gotten close to 35 bucks of stuff free already in 1 month and this is stuff i wanted to buy lol! I just wish the had cross game chat, only think i miss on PSN compared to love.
You get a lot more than just online play with Plus. Not saying I am right but I think that is what he was asking. Indeed, if you do buy stuff from the Store, then Plus is worth it. I bought the 3 month subscription and with the mini's and WipeoutHD it already paid for itself.
Since online gaming on the Playstation is free i dont think that PS+ is worth it, sure you get 1 free game every month and extra discounts in the store but that is only valid as long as you are a subscriber to service.
I pay $25 each year to be playing online game on XBL but i only do that cause there is no other option if you wanna play your xbl games online.
why should i pay for p2p?when its freee
I only pay my ISP for online play. I don't pay "doorman" fees to use my internet in my games.
I just want to be able to play online, and I can for free. Leave extra online charges to PC gamers who enjoy subscriptions to MMOs. I pay to get the game, I shouldn't have to continue paying to play the same thing I already blew money on.
Nope, unless of course they added some value to it. Say PSN was 100 bucks a year, included PS+ and Hulu plus (with no commercials!) then i would totally get it. No question as thats dirt cheap for all that content. But just to play? No way.
Of course Activision and Bobby "The Devil" Kotick would be the evil masterminds behind such an awful idea.
People pay for online play? that's crazy talk. MMO's are a rip off too. The initial purchase price should be halves as it requires a subscription. But suckers will pay for anything with a price tag, as long as they are told they are getting value.
the costs of setting up a MMO and keeping the content alive and fixing all the bugs out? Those are way more than our average CoD game. That's why they have fee's.
I didn't say they shouldn't have fees, I said they should charge less for the initial purchase price... You think full RRP purchase price + full RRP expansions + full price subscription fee + account reactivation fee is justified???? I sure as hell don't. There is a reason why 75% of Activision's profits come from WoW...THEY CHARGE TOO MUCH
You ever play WoW? I doubt it cause you would have probably remembered that even though it was released 6 years ago we still get content, events, matchmaking, facebook integration, new areas to use, new maps, more game modes, and thats before any of the expansion packs. The only other game out their that supports it's community as much as WoW is TF2.
I'm happy with the $17.99 I paid for PS+, at least I get free stuff out of it. Besides I would pay anymore then 50 bucks for something like that, I don't buy 1 year of XBL because I don't see a value out of it Vs PS+.
is stupid.. I mean I am already paying for my internet connection,so why the hell should I charge myself even more just to play my games online for extra money ???? I don't think XBOX LIVE & PLAYSTATION+ fall under this though,since you get so much for your money,it's like subscribing to a magazine or a GYM,to get in on all of it,you have to pay a subscription fee. But paying just to play my games online ??? then why did I pay for my internet connection in the first place ?????
Well, to bad for those who do not want to pay dont use X-Link kai. Or something like Gaming Internet Tunnel(GIT)
Nope. I dont believe in paying for stuff that should be free. There should never be a charge for playing a game online.
The problem is not with the fees...it's the idiots that pay for it and set the precedent that piss me off. I don't buy ANY DLC... which is more than can be said for most.
@dchalfont: Now you see thats well said. Too many of us gamers are "enablers". We enable them to keep price gouging us by buying everything they throw at us. If xbox live gold members suddenly decided to not ever buy it again. And no one else buys xbox live gold again. Do you think that xbox live gold would just cease to exist? No it would be free, just like it should be in the first place. Or atleast open up the ability to play your game online with a silver account.
I am already reluctant to pay for it. I only buy a few months of Live every now and then or when I have a game I want to play online with and despite the attractive freebies of PS +, I cannot even bring myself to go there either. Thankfully, playing online is still free with PSN, so I really have no need to hand over money for a bunch of crap I don't really need. I would rather spend it on a game.
I'd pay if it's worth it eg monthly content updates but no chance would I pay if it's activision out of principle.
I could be wrong but doesn't PSN have a larger userbase than XBL? I also heard roughly half of XBL's userbase is Silver members, you know, members that cannot play online. Paid online play is not something I am willing to invest my money in. PS3 also sold less in totals, but that gap is shrinking, and shrinking fast.
LMFAO at the disagrees. Xbots.
MS and SOny are raping you for online fees. Yes you can play online for free with PSN, but Sony is charging for the extra content that should be free in some cases. Anyways if Steam can do most of this for free, why cant MS and Sony. Especially MS who are the biggest offenders of this. Regardless $50 per year is peanuts.
i'll be joining steam very soon...whats the community like?
Its amazing. Steam should be the benchmark for online gaming/content etc. You wont be disappointed
all of you will pay for anything COD online $15 you guys will run
Oh no, not $3.85 a month for XBL!
there bulletproofish. I will allow you to breath. Its very apparent you dont mind paying for a free service so whats an extra 3.85 a month?
So, before you Jim Jones Kool Aid tight money fanboys start ranting, this is just my 2 cents on this. Everything has a price. And if it's free, the service or product is small quanity & very limtied. And from what I experienced in my lifetime, free is not always the best. Now, If I can have access to hundreds of games and can have online multiplayer, why not?! Do you realize how much money you save buy renting insted of buying a POS game?! Give me a service like Gamefly to play games online and I'm sold.
And don't be mad at me because I can afford it. If I don't like something, I don't buy it. I will not slander the next person who purchase products or services. It's their money, not mine.
fortunately for me I have a PS3. If they or anyone start making me pay for online I have tons of single player based games to play MGS4,Ratchet and Clank, Heavy Rain, GOW3 etc. so no big deal but however the 5 hour campaign, mainly online multiplayer based games on the 360 and PC e.g. LFD2, Halo, SCC, GEOW 2 are going to have a problem .And hoops, what is Sony charging us for that should be free? please enlighten us instead of making ignorant statements without embellishing on them.
sadly all the young naive gamers are supporting this company behaviour... when you pay for playing online (it's ok for MMORPGs, cause the developers are updating the game/servers constantly, but the prices should be lower tho...) or buying DLCs, you are showing those companies you are willing to pay for something, that was free not so long ago and yet still the devs and distributors/publishers etc. weren't poor... so next time you pay extra try to think about it, cause you are maybe ruining the gaming also for other gamers...
i don't pay nothing to play online as i have a ps3
If it weren't for that fucking Kotick this would be a non-issue, it wouldn't even be a possibility. But like I said, if he breaks the glass ceiling and gets CoD Online to have a subscription fee, we are all screwed, and in return, they are screwed, because any sane person won't pay for multiplayer.
No, what I currently pay is enough.
Game + Internet, that's personally the only thing I think someone should be paying for (being a PC gamer that I am) Game + Internet + Xbox Live + Game Online Fee = Hell No, people will start looking to play games that do not charge you to play the game online.
If somehow all games become pay to play online,I'll be finding a new hobby,because that will kill gaming.
in all honesty i think paying for XBL is bad enough yet i still do it im an RPG gamer myself i dont need online yet if they charged you to play online on games i would of the top of my head only be playing dawn of war dark crusade I am not paying for every game online no maybe if you buy the game pre owned i can understand but other than that no
I pay for my console I pay for my games I pay for my electric I pay for my internet same reason i will never buy a gold account on the 360
This is so annoying for some people such as me cause we CANT pay even if we wanted, btw "some people" are people such as: teenagers and kids under 18 who cant get they're parent to pay, people who get barely any service because they live in country's too far away or they live in rather poor country's where the posability to get a PS3/360/WII would be low and people who simply cant afford it. Basically if they go trough with this horrible plan it really proves how greedy they can be and they will lose more money then get cause