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Submitted by Caspel 1466d ago | opinion piece

Kinect Needs More Than Waggle

Will Kinect succeed with unique titles, or drown in shovelware? (Kinect, Xbox 360)

Caspel  +   1466d ago
I'd say the Move needs more than waggle too. I'd hate to keep playing ports of old games. I'm a fan of new and original games.
MariaHelFutura  +   1466d ago
1:1
Shadow Flare  +   1466d ago
thats why move is not a wiimote. No waggle.

I'm imagining playing Metal Gear Rising with the wii, kinect and move. And move is the only one in my eyes where there would be zero waggle. It would be 1:1, perfectly accurate. Perfect swordplay, matching every move you make 1:1. Thats why its the best of the 3. And thats why when it comes to hardcore games, move is the only one of the three that wouldn't detract from a normal joypad experience, but add to the immersion immensely.
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Johnny_Bravo  +   1466d ago
@MarialHelFutura
1:1 you say?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

1:35 you see what happens there?

Oh, wait a few more seconds and you will see him swing.....and nothing happens. 1:1 my ass, Sony has you boys brainwashed.

EDIT: Are PS3 fans hyping up a product that was promised 1:1? Yup, at least on N4G you are.

I never said I was for Kinect, or even defending it. Just don't post BS like 1:1 when its clearly not.
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Imperator  +   1466d ago
So we PS3 fans are the ones hyping up a product that is the complete opposite of what was promised and is obviously an attempt at abandoning the entire fanbase? I don't think we're the ones who are brainwashed.
Seijoru  +   1466d ago
@Bravo, the lag in the golf demo was from the software. No lag has been shown in SOCOM4 and many other move supported games. It has already been tested to have 22ms response time.
NecrumSlavery  +   1466d ago
Watch this months Qore. The Move is insane, and I assure you it's 1:1.
MariaHelFutura  +   1466d ago
@JohnnyBravo
Awww, Someone definitely missed their Yoga class today.

Are you stalking me? This might cheer you up. BTW, I`m a woman and my name is Hel.
http://img205.imageshack.us... EDIT (from my ps3 btw) You want me to say something intelligent? Ok. You are an insanely stupid and you prove that by typing. There you go. LOL. XD XD XD.
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Shadow Flare  +   1466d ago
Wow johnny bravo, this looks 1:1 to me...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

So yeah, it does 1:1

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johnny bravo, if the move controller has shown at ANY point (which it has) that it can demonstrate 1:1 accuracy, then the move controller is capable of 1:1 accuracy. End of.

You can find 1 video with lag and then say ALL move games have lag if you want. But heres the truth: them move controller HAS demonstrated 1:1 accuracy, so its capable of 1:1 accuracy, END OF. Kinetc has never shown 1:1 accuracy, and any rare lag that Move does display can be put down to "its an unfinished product"
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whothedog  +   1466d ago
I think you guys are confusing 1:1 with lag. Even if it lags its about moving with your every movement and not pre-scripted movements. I believe.
Johnny_Bravo   1466d ago | Trolling | show
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1466d ago
You guys owned Johnny, lol.

Ah, just joined to Troll, few hours ago. It hurts for some people to know Move have 1:1, 22ms Lag with support of Body and Voice detection.
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whothedog  +   1466d ago
@johnny

It's pointless to try and show you what 1:1 really means because your posting videos of lag.

It still does 1:1 it just has a slight LAG, 1:1 means it mimics the players movements exactly how they do it, and that video you showed me it did, just a slight lag.

So what ratio are you trying to claim the Move is anyways since you know so much about this product.
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Dragun619  +   1466d ago
@Johnny_Bravo
Both Playstation Move and Wii Motion Plus are capable of 1:1 precision. Why are you so upset?

As long as it delivers the the quick response with minimal lag then thats all you need. I don't think anyone will care if its off by a few milliseconds.

And there's a good reason to be hyped up for Move. It has a solid line up. Why would you care anyways about people that want to buy Move? As far as I'm concerned, Move is a very solid motion controller receiving positive responses from devs and press alike. If people want to buy it then I see no reason for them not to.
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CHARLIEBROWNE  +   1466d ago
@Johnny_Bravo
I noticed the lag in your provided clip hopefully that will be remedied but again pause 2:05.
Brutallyhonest  +   1466d ago
Shadow Flare
Those videos you linked are insane and the first time I saw them.
Thanks for posting them.
HolyOrangeCows  +   1465d ago
You're a REALLY poor troll, Bravo.
TotalPS3Fanboy  +   1465d ago
@Johnny Bravo
Not sorry dude, but you owned yourself by showing that vidoe. The game have already been demostrated to have 1 to 1 motion. Just because you found a few seconds of video where the game glitches does not prove that it can't do 1 to 1 motion because in the rest of the Tiger Wood demostration, Move was already demostrated to be able to do 1 to 1 motion.

And not only that, many games (especially Sports Championship) have already proved that Move can do 1 to 1 motions.

You may think it's bullsh*t, and you're entitled to your own incorrect opinion, but the world have already played Move at E3, and the world knows that Move does has 1 to 1 motion. That is just the truth.

You can deny the truth all you want, but in the end, doing that will only hurt you more. In fact, it is the truth that will set you free.
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Playerz8  +   1466d ago
How about: Nobody gives a crap.
Dragun619  +   1466d ago
@Capsel
Why Did you mention Move in a Kinect only article?

And what exactly are you talking about ports?
So far the only port is Dead Space:Extraction and thats comes for free if we buy Dead Space 2, so I'm not complaining plus it has DS3 support.

Move also does have a bunch of new and original games.
Sorcery, Echochrome 2, Ape Escape Fury! Fury!, Heroes on The Move, Ruse, etc

On topic, Kinect does have some unique games such as Children of Eden and Dance Central, but its whole line up are aimed at the causal audience. Needs more hardcore games.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1466d ago
Dragun619
Mention Move when is not necessary.

Don't worry, this kind of persons will understand eventually with pure factual evidence, like always.
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Johnny_Bravo  +   1466d ago
@ALFAxD_CENTAURO
You are very ignorant sir. I was not the one who mentioned Move, your precious little fanboy MariaHelFutura and Shadow Flare did. Don't start pointing the finger, when you have no idea what you're talking about.

EDIT: Ahh I see you made a nice quick edit. Its okay, I understand its easy to point the finger at someone criticizing something, instead of the real cause of the action. Which was the trolls.
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Caspel  +   1465d ago
I am stating that all motion-based hardware need to be as far as removed as they can be from the Wii.
jneul  +   1465d ago
weird since when was socom4, kz3 and hustle kings classified as waggle, you actually have to use the controller as you would have to use things in real life, if you try to waggle move punishes you have you not read any of the recent reviews for the games like hustle kings, they even had to turn the sensitivity down due to it being too precise....
strickers  +   1465d ago
Echochrome 2?
The sports games are 1:1,not waggle.
You don't seem to understand the difference between waggle and 1:1.
lavachoke  +   1466d ago
looks like kinect is focussing on the casual market just like wii did. the price is kinda steep too. im not impressed so far.
MariaHelFutura  +   1466d ago
Of course it does, it can do invisible triggers. /s
Imperator  +   1466d ago
pew, pew pew.
TheTeam06  +   1466d ago
It looks kinda slow for waggle. If you were to move your arms too fast in something like Ricochet, the avatar would go crazy. You basically have to do slow movements for most Kinect games, unless it's something that doesn't really do 1:1 like the track game in Kinect Sports where you just run in place.
cnagel47  +   1466d ago
havent been impressed from what ive seen from kinect yet. gonna need great interaction with a marquee title to really get it going. i know its set to be in Fable 3 so maybe that will be it
totoguy  +   1466d ago
Shovelware seems a lot more likely... Not saying there won't be some good, quality applications of it, but this gives an excuse for so much more crap.
Caspel  +   1466d ago
Is anyone interested in Dance Central?
Spenok  +   1466d ago
Nope.
CDeFire  +   1466d ago
I'm not too impressed with the kinect and most of the games (so far...) are not appealing at all.
Onsyman  +   1466d ago
so far the most interesting game I heard about for the Kinect is that one from the creator of Rez, seems pretty cool but not a 200$(Kinect+game) game
TheTeam06  +   1466d ago
I think you can play it with just the DualShock and 360 controllers, but yeah, they will be compatible with Move and Kinect.
celticbikerbabe  +   1466d ago
I haven't read or seen anything yet that makes me want to buy the Kinect. If they come up with something innovative that is more oriented toward adults that are avid gamers, I might buy one. I can see some neat potential for RPGS, but I bet that they will screw it up.
palaeomerus  +   1466d ago
Waggle is shaking the wii-mote as an action instead of hitting a button. It's a sort of default gesture that only nominally give something motion controls often when it doesn't seem necessary. You walk up to a door, and then "waggle" the controller to kick the door down. Waggle is NOT a generic term for all motion controls.

Kinnect doesn't really have any waggle that we've seen.
Parapraxis  +   1465d ago
It also doesn't seem to have much motion control either.
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Godmars290  +   1466d ago
When did it have waggle?
Its big sell is suppose to be full body tracking, but the definition of that has come into question.

Does it track people sitting down?
Does it track fingers?
Does it track wrist?

Where does waggle fit into any of that?
CHARLIEBROWNE  +   1466d ago
As a neutral in the console war
After a few beers this site makes my head hurt. :(
Parapraxis  +   1465d ago
I don't think it has anything to do with the site, more to do with the fact you can't handle a few beers.
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TwistedMetal  +   1465d ago
MOVE HAS GAMES
and works with more hardcore games. kinect doesnt have anything. The best they got is some dance game. the rest is shovelware worse then the wii. No one even knows if they dance game will work right because when it was showed the guy stop dancing and he was still getting perfects on the screen and not doing anything.
palaeomerus  +   1465d ago
I have no interest in using Move with hardcore games, especially games that already have normal controls. Move is pretty useless for me. Rest assured that Move will have plenty of third party shovel ware. Because, if it doesn't sony will drop it a a failure.
DirtyDozen  +   1465d ago
They'll probably mostly be family games, but I'm hoping for at least a few good hardcore games. Dance Central at least will be awesome.
tiamat5  +   1465d ago
I would say Microsoft needs a lot more. They still haven't proven that the Kinect works properly, they haven't proven that it can do hardcore games, they still haven't given good reasons why they lied and told half truths, they still haven't shown that they have any epic games coming soon. Their Macy's event was a bust, they practically had to beg people to play and barely anyone came. And to make things worse the Move is coming out almost two months before it and has two big potential system sellers LBP2 and GT5 coming soon afterwards. Whether you disagree or not face it people .The Kinect isn't even out and everything is already slipping through Microsoft's fingers
doubled215  +   1465d ago
Kinect is far superior to the Wii and Move.
tiamat5  +   1465d ago
That's what I like about Microsoft and it's followers. Bold statements without proof. Just like Microsoft.So doubled215 Kinect is superior huh? Where's the evidence? Where are the videos proving it works flawlessly? Where are the hardcore games? Where are the features they promised? Where are the hordes of people that were supposed to play the Kinect at Macy's? Where is the accuracy? It's not even as accurate as a Wii-mote. So until you people can answer these questions, the Kinect is a piece of crap.
JJFNIGHTS80  +   1465d ago
How bout lower your prices to 49.99$ instead of charging 59.99$ for your Kinect games. If people are going to buy Kinect games and spend 149.00 Still paying full price of the game? WHY M$
chad22hkd  +   1465d ago
lol
for kinect you are the waggle. You shake for the rumble lol
KaijuNexus  +   1465d ago
I've been less and less excited for Kinect as we draw closer to its release. The technology is still very impressive, but MS needs to sell me on its implications in gaming...
palaeomerus  +   1465d ago
MS doesn't much care about how you feel about kinect. They want the CASUAL crowd.
Folezicle  +   1465d ago
@palaeomerus
It makes no sense to them, I just learn to ignore these selfish people..
alee  +   1465d ago
We'll have to wait and see how the actual games turn out. I'm curious about the Star Wars game. GZ
ilRadd  +   1465d ago
Looking forward to it - not everything about it thrills me, but it seems a bit more impressive than PS3's move/wii clone.

Will have to wait & see on the pricing.

GZ - #ClashoftheTitans
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jneul  +   1465d ago
kinect - it only does not working as advertised, just like something else ms made, i am beginning to wonder why you all trust ms still after what happened with the original xbox 360, seriously...
dizzleK  +   1465d ago
man, the sony-employed e-thugs are out in force. they're driving away your users n4g, that can't be good for business.
woaita   1465d ago | Spam
tmj  +   1465d ago
I swear I hope the Kinect doesnt lag like we've seen in the demos.

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