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Kinect: Lag? What lag?

MTV's Dance Central represents everything that makes me wince about Microsoft's Kinect launch line-up. It's garish, child-friendly, audience-friendly, acid-Technicolor, merrymaking nonsense. It's also tediously traditional in premise; an undemanding warm-up for a piece of technology crying out for a knackering, industry-shaking workout.

But - and this is all-important - it's frighteningly accurate and shockingly responsive. And here's the big bombshell: The same can be said for all of the Kinect debut titles.

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HarryM2742d ago

.. Now I don't know what to think. I've just read a Preview on Joy Ride and the writer was constantly talking about how the controls weren't being read properly, and now an article on how there isn't ANY lag...

Quite frankly, I don't know what on Earth is going on...

DelbertGrady2742d ago

I guess we'll have to wait until November until we know if it's up to par or not.

rockleex2742d ago

The kind of lag that you'd have to hide by hiring a circus.

The kind of lag where you need to show pre-recorded videos.

Conloles2742d ago

Yawn can this and Move fail already

strickers2742d ago

Might be at Eurogamer show in October.I'd like to have a go on it.I'm not at all impressed so far and in tech terms I don't see it being physically possible to match Move with the tech it's using.

NewZealander2741d ago

consoles, you failed already, we get it you dont like consoles, go play your pc and shut it.

BISHOP-BRASIL2741d ago

Too bad it looks like your on screen character in Just Dance don't follow your moves, it's you that mimic it.

Just like in Guitar Hero you play with the track and the score-metter-thing, you don't play the music, it's there to make you know the rhythm, you follow the music, the music don't follow your input. To create the illusion of playing the actual music the game will sound an odd note briefely after you hit a wrong buttom.

The character animation in Just Dance is pre scripted, just like the song in GH or RB. Probably it will even have a fail (odd note like) movement that will also be a pre scripted animation.

From the E3 demo and impression it appears that the game will only roll a track with movement indication and (try to) track if you are doing it right to increase or decrease your score accordly. You can't easily identify lag in an input that only affect an always changing score.

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FangBlade2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

All i've seen so far is a bunch of QTE games.
Kinect is not tracking the body, it's sort of "guessing" your moves and the game displays the QTE on the screen. I don't know how to explain it but that is not body tracking.

BrutallyBlunt2742d ago

Really? So Your Shape Fitness doesn't track your body? News to me.

It's not even debatable, there are lots of those who frequent forums who are naturally pessimistic by nature. Many seem to flock to negativity. I'm not sure why. Is it fear of change? Is it fear of competition? Jealousy? Have people forgotten how to have fun?

What I have seen so far from all the videos is one thing in common and that is those who actually played Kinect enjoyed it. So it's easy for all the rest of us to be critical sitting on our computer chairs trying to analyze the situation.

I myself think it's great Microsoft is going in a completely different direction here. They already have their core audience who likes shooters and more serious games so why not branch out that audience? It's not like they will force Kinect in games like Gears of War. Some games will work with Kinect and some won't. I think those that will will be the ones made entirely for Kinect and none of us have any idea what that is since it takes time to create such games.

The Maxx2742d ago

@LevelHead

You my friend is the reason I come to N4G. Thank GOD someone with some down to earth "level headed" views.

Thank you so much.

Independent_Charles2742d ago

yeah people like levelhead are an rareity on n4g

insomnium2742d ago

"Really? So Your Shape Fitness doesn't track your body? News to me.

It's not even debatable, there are lots of those who frequent forums who are naturally pessimistic by nature. Many seem to flock to negativity. I'm not sure why. Is it fear of change? Is it fear of competition? Jealousy? Have people forgotten how to have fun?"

People sure were flocking here 2 years ago throwing shit at the PS3. Remember that? Did you care back then?

"What I have seen so far from all the videos is one thing in common and that is those who actually played Kinect enjoyed it. So it's easy for all the rest of us to be critical sitting on our computer chairs trying to analyze the situation."

How many people have you seen playing in their homes all by themselves instead of in front of a camera in public where there's people around?

"I myself think it's great Microsoft is going in a completely different direction here."

Why? You have stock or do you play games? X360 has been a hc-console like forever so Kinect is a one big FU to the entire install base as long as gaming is concerned. If you own stock then I can understand you wanting MS to spread their audience leaving their install base high and dry.

"They already have their core audience who likes shooters and more serious games so why not branch out that audience? "It's not like they will force Kinect in games like Gears of War. Some games will work with Kinect and some won't."

No they won't force Kinect on people. They simply forget their fanbase and run off to the green fields of casual gamers with your money. You already bought the system so no need to give you more games right?

"I think those that will will be the ones made entirely for Kinect and none of us have any idea what that is since it takes time to create such games. "

Well MS themselves said that Kinect will have a minimum of 150 ms of lag iirc.

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NastyLeftHook2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

look up any youtube video

stuna12742d ago

Because the focus is shifted toward playing the game it'self! Your moreso distracted in playing the game, with the constant movement, that the brain is already preoccupied with your actions. Has anyone ever heard the saying "You have a one track mind"? This is a perfect example of it. It's actually genius, if you think about it! Take away your ability to multitask through the physical exertion. That's why the person not playing notices the lag, while the person playing doesn't notice the lag, and also probably the reason why the launch titles for kinect are for the most part physically demanding.

Inside_out2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

This holiday M$ will sell all the Kinect devices and 360's it can manufacture. Sony knows this and has begun slapping it's engineers to come up with thier own 3D ( but, but the eye toy...lol ) mapping camera so they can be cool like M$...They better hurry Sony, Kinect drops in November.

As for the lag...Now pay attention at :34 when kinect maps the kids motion PERFECTLY...killer app indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

fooltheman2742d ago

lol
Are you referring to what it captures but doesn't give any points for?
The breakdance?

exnihilonihilfit2742d ago

How retarded do you have to be? That's not mapping him at all, it's just showing a video of him. Notice how the people who are playing clearly already know all of the dance moves, so it appears as though they are 1 to 1 when they aren't. The game shows no error tracking. When I see someone make a realtime error while playing this game and see that show up on screen, then I'll believe that its working.

Kinnect videos are clearly fake because they never show what happens when you fail. If there's no possibility of failure, it's not a game.

Heisenberg2741d ago

That was absolute nonsense... But I love the crazy over use of exclamation points!!

Bigpappy2741d ago

Your are right. Not a hint of lag.

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cliffbo2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

its C&VG they are pro MS so you cannot believe this article nearly all the reviewers are saying there is alot of lag so i believe the majority not a minority.

ps even if there is no lag imo it still is not going to be that great you will not have the accuracy that sony's Move will have and who wants to jump around and wave your arms all the time to play a game when i get home from work i for one do not want to jump around ect i want to sit down and play and most people are the same.

waltyftm2742d ago

Been a fan of CVG for decades and they sure aint biased.

butterfinger2742d ago

First of all, there are no "reviewers", because the final product has yet to be issued. If you want to base your entire opinion on a product on PREviews of the unfinished model, then go right ahead. You are free to spend your money however you like, but for you to come in here and just flat out lie about other websites is absolutely pathetic. Sometimes I seriously wonder if Sony is paying some of you guys to spread your BS.

cliffbo2742d ago

ive read C&VG since it started and it is biased it is a sister mag to the official uk xbox magazine which is also associated with another biased tabloid the EDGE.

besides Blaze929 calling me a fanboy is like calling the kettle black as anyone who looks at your post history will realise i suggest you take your own advice and grow up yourself.

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Blaze9292742d ago

Lag and not being about to read gestures properly are two different things....

Chubear2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

Damn, this is how MS is successfull at their BS marketing ploys.

MS gives incentives to media outlets to promote (deceive) the general public that are not very informed bout certain products but YOU who use gaming forums a lot and have seen numerous interviews and vids of the product should know better but becuase of sheep mentality you get confused when some media outlet tells you something different from what your own eyes see.

Media outlets that MS has essentially put in their pocket will lie to you. The others that MS didn't "deal" with will likely tell you as it is.

Natal is a scam being used to see if MS can have the success of the wii of 60mill sold w/ the uniformed public so their shareholders can allow funding for an xbox3 in the future. If natal fails to do wii numbers then no xbox3.... there will be no xbox3, why? cause natal ain't doing wii like numbeers.

They'll find a millions of suckers for sure ofcourse but no way natal helps push an extra 40mill xbox360s.

Wake up people, it's a scam.

wages of sin2742d ago

@chubear,
Can you provide links to actual proof that what you say is true, that Microsoft is behind this?

If you can, can you also prove that MS is the only company out of the big three that does this?

By your logic, I'm not supposed to believe MS or any gaming news sites because if it's positive about MS, it must be a "paid incentive" but some random video from an anonymous "gamer", that's ok to trust.

If Kinect is a scam as you say it is, then does that make Move a scam as well? Especially since it apes the Wii WAY more so than Kinect ever will.

The only thing that gamers need awakening to are hateful (for no damn reason) fanboys who sit up in the echo chamber of n4g talking trash instead of gaming. Pathetic.

Lord_Doggington2742d ago

"But the kit works. Like, really works. It's much more than a shonky Eye-Toy - and fears of lag have been wildly overplayed. Believers in Kinect's long-term potential for providing unconventional, breakthrough experiences finally have something to smile about."

And this:

"Because of bloody Kinect, that's why. Cuddly, snuggly, caressible Kinect. Fun for all the family - unless your family contains a self-aware, asymmetrical male with a natural aversion to campy limbering."

That's goddamn right...

Christopher2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

Here's the problem: Every article that says there's no lag never shows a video to prove it and every video that shows the gameplay shows the lag.

Perjoss2742d ago

only 1 thing is certain right now, there are always many trolls in xbox related news articles.

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Omega42742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

"Remember those leaked videos showing the horrible latency of Kinect Adventure's Rally Ball; Jonathan Ross swiping what seemed like seconds before his on-screen avatar did the same?

Forget them - each and every limb flick or gesture I pull is represented on the TV in front of me with no perceptible delay. Heck, the experience of kicking the rubber spheres in the title even feels cutting edge - if only fleetingly. River Rush is the same - my gangly hopping and leaning instantly affecting the in-game action."

See this is why i say wait until it has been released, it will likely get even better closer to release. Kinect is certainly looking that it will deliver, all it needs now is a price under £100 and it will be a massive win.

Edit: Funny how the majority of the replies I get have nothing to do with what I actually wrote, you guys are so fearful of Kinect all you can do is just use personal attacks and disagrees, must really hurt you guys that im right.

peeps2742d ago

"Kinect is certainly looking that it will deliver, all it needs now is a price under £100 and it will be a massive win. "

imo all it needs is good games...

if this pretty much confirms that kinect can handle gamers accurately they make some decent games for the thing. even if it's 100% accurate why does that matter if there are no games that i want?

Gun_Senshi2742d ago

is omega paid by MS of he is really an idiot?

Phat0072742d ago

I would say he has had time with the products he reviews. You on ther other hand, type with one hand while the other touches yourself. You are a perfect example for someone no one listens too.

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acky12742d ago

sorry for the personal attack, but do you actually believe that kinect is the best thing since sliced bread? because you seem to want to defend it in all of your comments. you keep saying 'wait until release' but i'll bet you won't change your tune even if it turns out that the games released will be crap...which we already know they will be, by their titles alone. too many dance and sport shovelware.

Baka-akaB2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

my guess , and you are very aware of it , is:

You've been trolling and acting like a fanboy so often , that for many people it doesnt matter if what you say is relevant or not ,or what is the topic at hand .

Bottom line is , some people decided to disagree whatever you said and/or bubbles you down likewise ...

I'd say it's silly , and prefer to reply direct in addition like you maybe often see me do .
Now of course feel free to believe or not , i'm one of those guys

Folezicle2742d ago

Your a hypocrite mate, unless someone else has an avatar just like yours.. If not, your the guy talking trash about Microsoft in general

Baka-akaB2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

just check my posting history and then decide if i am indeed . My opinions are pretty often clear , and i dont posturate as a victim , not aware of why people dislike him ... nor an avatar of the one shiny truth

Wh15ky2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

"this is why i say wait until it has been released"

As far as I can tell the people you keep telling to wait and see are very negative towards Kinect whilst you, yourself, are so overwhelmingly positive about it.
With the mixed previews so far I suggest you follow your own advice and "wait until it has been released".

Edit:
"Funny how the majority of the replies I get have nothing to do with what I actually wrote, you guys are so fearful of Kinect all you can do is just use personal attacks and disagrees, must really hurt you guys that im right"

One positive preview/ hands on makes you right??? What about the dozens of negative previews?

Ingram2742d ago

You are not right Omega, you never were to begin with, where everybody is seeing the emperor naked for a couple of years now, you're not only seeing its clothes, you are seeing a tetris tie a flying pizza and a troupe of dancing poodles.

you're so in denial about the box rise and fall, so powerless to hurt any ps3 user, that you're at the same time funny and sad.

cope with it, babylon has fallen.Nobody is "fearful" of kinect, to think otherwise is borderline clownish.

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fuckoffodion2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

"But - and this is all-important - it's frighteningly accurate and shockingly responsive. And here's the big bombshell: The same can be said for all of the Kinect debut titles."

This article says different.
http://xbox-360.nowgamer.co...

@Harry
Sorry, I should give you proper credit. Your response had me looking for the article. Gave you a bubble :)

Aww, I lost bubble for saying "I choose the latter. :)"
Oh mods. So inconsistent.

HarryM2742d ago

That was the article I was referring to in my previous comment. :)

Ju2742d ago

If this is his honest opinion, than there must be differences how people experience Kinect. Can be in the environment or the person itself. Maybe some "shapes" are easier to track than others. Maybe it depends how clearly the camera can track the body. It's kind of weird that people report so differently.

corneliuscrust2742d ago

they played different builds. Since MS is being so tight lipped about what revisions exactly everyone is playing, it's very difficult to tell. Sneaky business by MS (as usual)

gypsygib2742d ago

I just read an article that joyride doesn't work properly and does lag???

edhe2742d ago

so.. now have you learned about the old adage "Don't believe everything you read" ?

gypsygib2742d ago

They can't both be wrong, the question is who's right?

LastDance2741d ago

who cares and get back to playing real games.

sayonara892742d ago

"You still need to think ahead and react in advance somewhat to make sure that you hit all those balls, with lag in the 200ms range (including the latency from the display, of course)"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...