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Five lies Microsoft told us about Project Natal aka Kinect

It seems like only yesterday Project Natal was announced to an audience of enthusiastic fans. The technology looked amazing, and was to change gaming for ever. Object scanning, minority report style dashboard control and AI that is so advanced that it can have entire conversations with you and even tell what kind of mood you're in. One year later, and a large portion of these cutting edge features have mysteriously vanished. Let's take a look at how Project Natal changed from its announcement in 2009 to its showcasing as Kinect at this years E3...

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Hyrius2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Lie 6 : hardcore games.

T9X692656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Yea because Kinect has no games what so ever. Your avatar describes you perfectly, standing there dumbfounded with a look on your face like you have no idea wtf your talking about.

Before you decided to edit your post it read "Interesting games", they may not interest you (they sure as hell don't interest me) but you don't speak for the rest of the world.

Oh so now your going to edit your post again huh? Where did they say Kinect will have hardcore games at launch? They didn't. They said hardcore games will come.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/t...

Instead of trolling, do something useful with your time like doing some research before you post.

EDIT: @Colonel-Killzone - Na just pointing out hes being an idiot. Personal Attack maybe? lol

Colonel-Killzone2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

@T9X69

Nvm pointless I won't waste time debating with you. I forgot you take these articles to seriously. Although I will agree with you on that he is trolling.

The_Zeitgeist2656d ago

@ T9X69

So I just read your link, after reading it I would say I feel even more confidant saying Kinect is only for casual. This statement says it all.

"I don't want to see Halo band-aided into Kinect, because Halo is a controller game, and I think that would be not what we're trying to achieve. I want to see what a new type of experience would be."

Basically he is saying that there will either be no hard core games, or they are going to have to invent different kinds of hard core games.

Inside_out2656d ago Show
Microsoft Xbox 3602656d ago

Hyrius is stating a fact.

T9X69 is speculating with false hope.

Hmmm...., who to believe?

Biggest2656d ago

I like how you posted a more recent interview to dispute previous promises. Try this one on for size.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

It's easy to backtrack on your promises when people see you were lying. No one said anything about launch. You did. That was a feeble attempt to change the fact that there are no visible hardcore games for the Kinect.

morganfell2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

"they said hardcore would come..."

Really? They also said that the 360 Marketplace every gamer would have their own store and they could sell game mods and even tangible items like T shirts.

That was before the 360 launch. Where is that now?

Instead of making crap up and relying on MS who has already put up the biggest smokescreens in the history of E3, you should be in the "I'll believe it when they show me" crowd.

After everything from stage performances where they attempted to mime a prerecorded video to the fact they have already pushed core gamers off the ledge into traffic common sense should have you a little more skeptical concerning their promises. But apparently some people will defend them against anything.

jack_burt0n2656d ago

"Instead of making crap up and relying on MS who has already put up the biggest smokescreens in the history of E3, you should be in the "I'll believe it when they show me" crowd."

shaking the pillars of heaven with ownage, I like it.........

IHateYouFanboys2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

its funny that people - namely PS3 fanboys - still try and play the 'it looks like Kinect is starting to only be aimed at the Casual audience now' card. guess what? Kinect has ALWAYS been 100% aimed at the casual market lol.

MS have never pretended that youre going to be playing the next Halo or Gears of War using Kinect entirely. theyve never said that all games are going to be using Kinect and no controller. Kinect is coming out to get the 'wii crowd', the casual gamers. you know, the ones who spend 1000 times more money every year on games and game consoles than 'hardcore gamers' do?

Move is the same. yes, Move will get SOME 'hardcore' games - although they will be 100% easier and more precise with a regular controller - but the only reason Move is even getting released is so Sony can try and capture the casual audience. for every Socom with move support there will be 50 casual party-style waggle-the-move-wand games.

onto the article....

Lie 1 : Minority Report Dashboard Control

well there is a motion controlled dashboard, this guys just whinging because it doesnt LOOK like what he wants it to. you dont press a button to go to the kinect dashboard, you simply move an arm around and then Kinect recognises youre trying to use motion control, then you gesture to go to the new dashboard and it goes there. did they lie? not at all.

Lie 2 : Object Scanning

Kinect uses a camera, and that camera can take pictures. SOFTWARE is what would then take those pictures and put them in games. Kinect is 100% capable of doing this, just that no developers have shown anything using it yet. the ubisoft fitness game now scans your body and puts your body overlay on the in-game character, so thats the exact same thing as object scanning. you are an object remember. did they lie? nope.

Lie 3: Voice Recognization

Multi-user voice recognition is very much still there. dunno what this guys talking about. lie? nope.

Lie 4 : More than 2 players

again, microsoft have confirmed that it can have 2 ACTIVE players and multiple other players. ie. 2 full body control players, then numerous other people who are only having minor motion control.

and even then, none of the original videos that they showed had more than 2 people ACTIVELY playing a game. sure, there are 4 people sitting on that lounge - Kinect knows that, it can see them - but theres only one person controlling that racing game. lie? no.

Lie 5 : Milo and Kate

how can it be a lie when people played with it at LAST YEARS e3? lie? no way.

Confused2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Actually, i've seen several videos showing more than 2 active players. Even the video on the site shows 4 players playing a Buzz style quiz game.

morganfell2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

1 - There is a limit to how much leeway one has to provide before saying, "That's no longer Minority Report." Kinect is so limited and you have to move so slowly it is no longer in the same ballpark as Minority Report.

2 - Kinect can only scan in objects already in it's database. Instant Fail. All it is doing is recognizing incredibly bad objects already programmed to function. It isn't creating objects it recognizes but rather launching a program because it recognizes a visual cue.

3 - Multivoice recognition for a handful of words isn't groundbreaking. SOCOM 1 had more commands and much more intricate implementations...on the PS2.

4 - When we see 4 players doing something besides hitting balls or jumping like a bunny then you have a ledge by which your fingernails may hang. Until then, prepare to drop...

5 - No one played Milo at E3 last year. It was a prerecorded video. MS later was forced to admit it wasn't true voice recognition but rather Milo was responding to tone of voice. We still never saw proof of even that. You could have talked sweetly about how his parents were brother and sister and his responses would have been just as genial.

Fact, Microsoft is relying on marketing to sell Kinect. Sony is relying on the proven tech of Move to sell games.

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inveni02656d ago

Maybe that's why they changed the name and design? Project Natal had all those cool things. Kinect does not.

Jaces2656d ago

"If you ain't first, you last!"

-Ricky Bobby LMAO! So I guess that goes for the 360 as well...no?

Get over yourself guy, you cry more than the fanboys.

Anyway, I never had high expectations for Kinect so this is no surprise...especially coming from MS. I can't wait to see how the public reacts to it when it's released. I'll probably head to Best Buy to test it for myself, if not then just see what kind of feedback it's getting online.

Mini Mario2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Just out of curiousity

In the star wars video where he was fighting darth vadar going forward with his motions forward. What would happen if the fight turned to the side, how would u see the screen while continuing to fight side on ?? lol

Or what happens if you have to do a flip or something. Rule out any olympic based games because i dont think i could imitate a gymnast lol

punkpop1012656d ago

136 disagress because he said someone (who clearly was) a troll?PS3 FANBOTS ARE STUPID AS HELL.

PLAYstar2656d ago

@T9X69
You sound really desperate by posting THAT link. You sure that is enough to prove your point?? All I can say is Congratulation because you just been LIED yet again!!

Archdemon2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Kinect is nothing more than a PS EYE but upgraded.

And the PS MOVE is nothing more than a Wii mote but upgraded.

That's plain fact.

BUT if you take other things in to consideration. Like. How much of a difference the PS EYE did for the PS2 and the casual market. And how much of a difference did the Wii mote do for the Wii? Then I think you have the winner right there.

I think kinect is a great gadget, but I don't think it will be a game changer like microsoft want's you to believe.

sikbeta2655d ago

The Real Lies come from the ads, the ones with the family showing some "gameplay" and the 2 E3 Shows where everything was pre-recorded, IF people say "hardcore games" Pffft, they were fooling themselves cos it was more than obvious that MS is aiming to the casuals with kinect...

fuckoffodion2655d ago

MorganFell just put on an EPIC pawnage on your @$$. LOL!!!

PITTBULL832655d ago (Edited 2655d ago )

They didn't lie about NATAL/KINECT they showed a video about the posibilities and everyone assumed it was what they were doing with it. BE A GAMER NOT A HATER

EDIT.... Wow what is that stink.........Oh yeah it's fanboy bullshit.

JustTheFactsMr2655d ago

If you consider a smaller field of view and being 30fps instead of 120fps an upgraded Eye well then I guess so.

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MNicholas2656d ago

PS2 Eyetoy:

Captures motion at 320x240 at 60fps

Kinect:

Captures motion at 320x240 at 30fps

whateva2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

but watch me do what Kinect kinot @ 125 FPS with Just a Playstation Eye hooked to my laptop.

Edit: @yewles1 no the Eyetoy is 60FPS the Playstation Eye is 120FPS and can even go up to 180FPS 320x480 when you mess with the settings on a Computer.

yewles12656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Edit: whateva beat me to it.

Edit 2: Thanks for the correction, bro.

Folezicle2656d ago

Lie 1: http://au.xbox360.ign.com/d... and http://au.xbox360.ign.com/d...
Lie 2: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Lie 3: Microsoft hasn't even confirmed there is no voice recognition. Also considering Milo is still in the works I doubt they have scrapped it
Lie 4: The only one that I see a valid point. However whats to say a small games that only requires simple actions can fit more players
Lie 5: http://www.giantbomb.com/ne...

And @Whateva the eyetoy, Playstation Eye are very different to Kinect, since Kinect uses 3D motion capturing, which I haven't seen on the Move.. http://www.youtube.com/watc... So far the PS Eye shows no 3d elements, however that could change in the future only time will tell

Despite all this my opinion, Is I'm not really excited for either till I cam experience both of them for real. As for previews on sites I haven't found a negative one for either so they could be promising.

And please guys with the flame wars, both 360 and Sony fan-boys, you are all sounding like a broken record.

whateva2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

That is not the same scanning! that's just like the Eye of Judgement card scanning that you can do with the Playstation Eye it's not object scanning!

and the Playstation Eye can do 3D tracking

http://i39.tinypic.com/2jae...

and in the video I made you can see that it's tracking my hand movements in 3D

IHateYouFanboys2656d ago

@MNicholas: "Kinect: Captures motion at 320x240 at 30fps"

so which of the 2 cameras specs are you using for this little gem? cause you know, Kinect has 2.

one of them, yes, is 320x240 @ 30fps. that one is the DEPTH camera.

the other camera does 640x480 @ 30fps. thats the image camera.

so youre wrong. just thought id point that out.

RageAgainstTheMShine2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Face it, the Xbotick geniuses has been played!

Micro & Soft wankers wanted us to believe what they have shown last e3 2009 as an impossed mental imprint to distract attention from the real tech demos Sony was doing. Yes they have succeeded in that. They made a play on people's minds.

what a desperate bunch of micro & soft schlongs.

gamer78042656d ago

Apparently... more agrees with someone = more likely the opinion is incorrect. Take this one for example. Kinect does NOT capture at 320x240 at 30fps. It captures at 640x480 @ 30fps.

TheLeprachaun2655d ago

1. That's exactly what I was talking about. This new dashboard, the one in the video you link is nothing like what was shown at E3 2009.

2. 'Scanning' specific objects from a partner business that have already been incorporated in game is not the same putting real life objects from your room into the game yourself, i.e. the skateboard in the trailer, and the obects in the E3 2009 Milo demo. The burger king kinectimals 'scanning' is nothing more than elaborate DLC.

3. There is voice control still yes, but they mentioned it won't be able to differentiate between different people.

4. You don't argue with me so :).

5. I mentioned in my article Peter said it was still in the works. I also mentioned other Microsoft employees said it wasn't in the works. I'm not denying it isn't real, but if they can't get object scanning or the dashboard control they showed at E3 2009 how are they supposed to creat Milo and Kate the way it was shown at that years show. I believe it will be much more dumbed down than what we saw last year.

Looks like you didn't get your facts right.

MNicholas2655d ago

Only plain old VIDEO capture is 640x480 x 30fps which, itself, is still extremely crappy.

Again, we're comparing MOTION capture not VIDEO capture.

MOTION capture comparison

PS2 Eyetoy:

Captures MOTION at 320x240 at 60fps

Kinect:

Captures MOTION at 320x240 at 30fps

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knight6262656d ago

Like i said before M$ slogan "it only lies to you"

Bathyj2656d ago

It only does nothing you're interested in. Jump out.

Hey I wanted to like Kinect, it just has no games and worse yet, doesnt show how it can be implimented into core games.

I seem to remember something else in the last few years that was touted as good hardware, yet shunned for having no games.

Why should this get a pass?

Big Frank2656d ago

You two are sad and pathetic.

Stop talking about something you know F all about. Let it be released first and get some time under its belt before you pass judgment or lap up what some tool has to say.

Spenok2656d ago

Taking a book from Sony's "It only does" marketing? lol

ALFAxD_CENTAURO2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

Can't wait for Kinectimals:

http://img.photobucket.com/...

Damn, better not.

But since my friends are not white people, they can't play with Kinect.

spooky2052656d ago

kinect doesnt care about black people." -kayne west

vhero2656d ago

They have had to make cuts to make it more affordable thats the simple answer to why things have been dropped and it's still probably gonna come in at $150. Imagine if it had all those features? It would be way too expensive and MS would have had trouble shifting it so they obviously needed to drop features to make it more affordable but the basic tech is still rather expensive giving it that $150. This is probably why Sony and Nintendo stayed away from the technology but to be fair we will never know.

NeutralGamer2656d ago

Number 2 is not a lie -.-

The scan feature was shown together with Burger King just 1 week ago...

NeutralGamer2655d ago

How can I get disagrees for telling the truth?

http://n4g.com/news/558219/...

DigitalRaptor2655d ago

That is not real-time object scanning.

You get a toy from Burger King, which already exists in the database for the Kinect game. And it recognises the toy, not scans it in.

CrAnKiTuP_012655d ago

You scan the tag from the toy, not the toy itself.

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NewZealander2656d ago

at the end of the day im only interested in it for party games and games that my nieces can play when they stay over, other then that im just going to wait until release to find out what features it offers.

i laugh when people complain about it not being "hard core" its not meant to be, and i dont think either kinect or move will really appeal to those who consider themselves hard core, hardcore gamers arnt going to play games by waving there hands and motion controls.

andrewsqual2656d ago

Eh no Move uses tech that shares elements of Kinect and the Wii remote so nobody in the "Sony Camp" is threatened or scared of disKinect. Not only are Xbots sore over no games like Socom for Kinect but actually no games like Socom period. Here is a lie nobody noticed. That driving game had them "SITTING DOWN" in the video and for all we have actually seen of it, it has to be played standing up. Oh but keep telling yourself they are going to add 10 different ways of being able to play it before its out. Not only that but the car goes into full throttle and you have no control over the speed of the car apart from a speed boost. The original E3 Video from 2009 also featured lag but there is still a problematic amount there. In the game shop I work at, I show people the E3 2009 video and then all the 2010 ones and people are just disgusted but they are all getting slims though. For a lot of customers it is the 3rd Xbox that is going to be sitting in their house. I wonder how many xbots actually have more then one 360 sitting around their houses. 40million sold , yeah right Microsoft but 40 million customers? Definitely not.

absolutecarnage2656d ago

Microsoft actually lied to you zero times, in the beginning of the video it says "Product vision: actual features and functionality may vary" and Milo and Kate is still in development by a 50 men team and will be shown in GamesCon next month

ranmafandude2656d ago

this article's on fire lol.

Sarcasm2656d ago

It's not Microsoft's lies that are the problem, it's the horde of idiots that believe anything they say.

Sugreev20012655d ago

@Hyrius I totally agree with you.

cjflora2655d ago

This article = proof read fail.

chakan2655d ago

Wow...angry much?

Hyrius is right. We haven't seen hardcore games.

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mrv3212656d ago

Hasn't Sony got a patent on object scanning?

simplyRealistic182656d ago

Microsoft most likey already infringe on some of sony patent when they came in the gaming business, i just think that sony infringe on thier patents also, so there is no point of sue if they are going to sue you back after

Omega42656d ago

So much hate about a product people don't care about.

IdleLeeSiuLung2656d ago

Except, it is still selling like hotcakes for months before release... The hate is only here on n4g.com!

Redempteur2656d ago

selling ?

month before release ?

are you saying people are buying a non released product ? (like hot cakes ?)

some people here are delusional

Scotland-The-Brave2656d ago

So because its getting "pre-ordered" like hotcakes we cant critisize it? Xbots playing sales again. Sales do not mean quality

Raz2656d ago

..Pre-ordering makes no sense to me. "I'm gonna order a Kinect before it even comes out! I have no idea whether it's any good or not, and I won't be able to use it for months, but I'm going to shell out $$$ for it anyway!"

I suspect there'll be a lot of pissed-off gamers when their order finally comes in.

HolyOrangeCows2656d ago

This article pointed out several things that didn't deliver on, there aren't any core games in its lineup, Microsoft is spending a lot of resources to attract casuals (As if casuals are going to spend $400+ for 360+Kinect), they faked most of their Kinect showings at E3 (Kinectimals hand positions were COMPLETELY different from the girls, On-rails Star Wars moved before the guy did, obviously prerecorded)....the reasons for 360 gamers to be annoyed are quite numerous.

Now stop trying to convince yourself that the "hate" (Rational issues with faulty product) is coming from PS3 gamers only.

Bigpappy2656d ago

Move is not doing well on with pre-orders.

mastiffchild2656d ago

Personally, I always wanted both Move and Kinect to be amazing and, even more than that, thought they would both be best being able to appeal longer term to both casual and serious gamer alike.

While I feel the article is a bit too much(and I'm sick of Move/Kinect/PSN articles that don't even seem to be written by anyone who fully researched or understood the matter at hand)I still see, myself, a drastic reigning in of the , then, Natal possibilities to what we have today-a seemingly limited Kinect. You always worry when PM(bless him) is involved with hyping anything and we've seen nothing as ambitious as Milo since 2009 to be honest and the integration into proper games just isn't materialising. My main worry on this score is I feel certain that MS would definitely have shown anything they had in the pipeline as far as core gaming on Kinect goes. They KNOW we were waiting and looking for it but ended up with some dull, to us, casual titles and watered down controls on this years shown drivers.

I worried that Move and Natal had no obvious way of us getting around in game worlds in order to support more genres and while Move ended up with the Nav controller there's still no word on how MS hope to get round the issue and that leaves me thinking nearly every more core title will need to be on rails-hardly a brave new dawn so far.

Another thing:I despise people telling porkies but in this case MS haven't really done that and, really, are guilty of thinking they could do more with the tech than they've so far been able to-that's all. I'm actually worried that even if they sell a load at launch they won't keep the people who bought it buying games as the range just isn't there to my eyes and I just think most games and game types are more suited to Move/Wii style mixed motion and button controls. We'll see but just what games will people be buying for Kinect post launch as I don't see anything very different in the near future from MS for this and Kinect might prove a duff investment for people if the games never show. If they have them coming NOW is surely the time to show us what they have,no? If not, why not?

If they don't show us something good soon I'm also thinking we'll, sadly, get more and more of this kind of article which is just a little harsh in tone in order to glean a few extra hits, imho. Look at the daft number of articles that never understood(maybe on purpose) what PSN+ is or that it's entirely optional anyway and wrongly comparing it to Gold Subs-we had a run of that idiocy and now we'll get more move/Kinect ones all the way up to when either actually fails or succeeds. Boils my balls.

Biggest2656d ago (Edited 2656d ago )

I don't care about pre-orders because I am not pre-ordering that junk. I hope everyone in the world, minus me, pre-orders the Kinect. They are going to love the shit out of some Skittles the Dog in a Tiger suit.

bjornbear2656d ago

means im going out to buy one.

fool

Raz2655d ago (Edited 2655d ago )

Yeah, Move probably isn't doing well on pre-orders - it wouldn't surprise me, because the only people who pre-order are the ones who prefer to pay first, and play later.

Seems to me PS3 owners are showing some discernment by not automatically running out and pre-ordering the Move.

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Blaze9292656d ago

I love how everyone is judging a product they don't even know how the final build will operate...lies? how about you wait until the final product ships. And Microsoft never said they 'will' do all of this, in the trailer it clearly says TARGET SIMULATION

Bigpappy2656d ago

They only get 1 year to develope things that have never been done before. This is coming from the PS3 camp of all places.

Do I have to go back and list all the stuff that was promised for PS3?
I prefer not to. JUst relax and go easy on the name calling, alright.