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We want gameplay, not graphics

Every year, there is that game that gamers use as a graphic benchmark. There was Crysis, Uncharted…The list goes on.

I think its time for developers to realize that graphics isn’t everything. Look at Counter Strike, before the graphics update, it wasn’t the prettiest of games, but people played it for the mod support and especially for the gameplay.

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Donny2658d ago

and you get both with uncharted 2.

halojunkie2658d ago

dont forget gran turismo 5.. (. ) (. ) cant wait for it! goty!

T9X692658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

GT5 is not going to win GOTY, nor will any racing game for that matter.

EDIT: Sure it does offer a lot but racing games are just not the genre for GOTY. There's to many great games coming out and that are already out that will overshadow GT5 for GOTY. I believe GOTY will end up either being, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption, or Little Big Planet 2. As much as I love ME2, and RDR, I think LBP2 will take the crown this year, the game just offers so much that no other game can match and its pretty amazing.

hahaha thanks, I love Modnation Racers its a very addicting game. Especially with the creation system :)

RosoTron362658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

You never know man. GT5 offers so much content and features. The quality is definitely there, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a contender.

On a side note: I've seen some of your work in modnation, good stuff man!

Edit: Welcome, good details on cars in Modnation. And I agree LBP2 may win GOTY. If you have a game with such creativity, hell it can probably recreate games you just mentioned in some shape or form. Then yes, it definitely deserves all the glory.

rockleex2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

Why is the Western media so much more focused on the HD consoles rather than the Wii, DS, and PSP?

Truth is, we want BOTH.

And we GET both on the PS3. Some are satisfied with the 360's graphics, but me I personally prefer the PS3's level of graphics.

Crysis was rightfully mentioned in the article, but to say the Uncharted series lack in gameplay is just a straight up lie.

FURY__UNLEASHED2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

Love how Donny got 10 disagrees for stating Uncharted had great gameplay and graphics. Obvious those 10 people are blind 360 fanboys who never even played Uncharted 2.

I guess they came here because they're already bored of Crackdown 2, which is lacking in both categories.

EDIT: Just got this PM from T9X69:

"I disagreed with him because Uncharted 2 gameplay is very generic and gets stale very quickly. No I'm not a "Xbox 360 Fanboy", check my PSN if you don't believe me, the game just wasn't that fun. "

Uncharted 2's gameplay is generic and stale? GTFO!

rockleex2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

The pacing.
The dialogue that moves the story WHILE you play.
The transition between gameplay and cutscenes.
Shooting at enemies while the building you're in collapses and having to time your jump into the next building.
Doing platforming sections while a helicopter comes out of nowhere and starts shooting at you.
And many more unique set pieces.

The reason why Uncharted 2 was praised all around was because it never let any section of gameplay get stale. There's ALWAYS something that comes up and switches the direction of the gameplay into something totally different.

evrfighter2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

"Every year, there is that game that gamers use as a graphic benchmark. There was Crysis, Uncharted…The list goes on. "

Actually

It's always just been Crysis.

When a new game gets released and wants to generate cheap hype. console fanboys still pick Crysis to compare it to...

Crysis was a decent game but that's it. The faster these console fanboys get over this graphics kick their on (I honestly don't even understand it as console games are low-res jaggy messes) then we can finally start next-gen.

ColdFire2658d ago

Hahahaha at disagree's that the benchmark is still crysis :P

sikbeta2658d ago

@SonySoldiers = GreenR = 150 other accounts

What's that Obsession with Tobey Maguire? Hmmm... don't tell me!

O-T
What's this? they don't want "only graphics" and there is a Picture of UC2?

Uncharted 2 is a Beast, it have Everything, from Graphics and Gameplay, all the Games are this Way, stop complaining for no reason...

gaffyh2658d ago

@1.1.5 - Please don't cry, you're making a scene.

On topic - I agree with the article, but Uncharted 2 has amazing graphics and amazing gameplay. I'd say something like inFAMOUS had amazing gameplay but was a little lackluster in the graphics department, but still it's my favourite game this gen. Can't wait for inFAMOUS 2, looks like it will be the complete package just like Uncharted 2 was.

N4g_null2658d ago

To the ps3 fans is there such a thing as an uncharted's speed run? Is it possible to play uncharted better than other players? Does any one play uncharted to keep getting better. If you beat uncharted do you really feel like your a better gamer by the end.

Or do you feel like you just survived just to see the story? In games that are based on game play there is no such thing as a spoiler.

What Sony has is games that want to be movies rather game that can be played for years to come as if you play a great game of poker or chess.

This is why you guys can't under stand Mario 5 players and skill based fps players. If you grew up during the ps years then you have no idea what gaming use to be any the wonder and skill involved.

I think kojimas problem actualy stems from games being made into movies rather than games. Hardcore gamers a devs warned them of this and what they don't understand the hardcore gamers of the past are the same ones how tackle z brush and scripting and every up date with a smile.

I think the industry is lacking these gamers and developers simply because they are hiring poeple that could not stand battle toads or quake 3 and really want to make 2012 the game.

Devs are not done coming up with new game play but it's harder to fight for new things when the gamers want scripted events instead of challeng. Uncharted has some great diehard moments but all in all that chopper should really kick your azz lol that close. Try play any old school game from treasure or even the new sin and pun and you will see why uncharted does not have true game play just hints at it.

I guess it's more about coolness than challeng which puts it in fad territory.

gaffyh2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

@above - Yes, it's called Platinum trophy. And if you think it's THAT easy, it's not. Lazarevic is a bastard on hard mode.

If you want a game with a real challenge, play Demon's Souls, there'e NOTHING like that on any other system this gen.

inveni02658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

I agree that no racing game will ever overshadow the Heavy Rains, God of Wars, Red Dead Redemptions of this year. Shoot, even a game like LBP2 stands little chance against the stronger story-based games.

EDIT: Oh, and Mass Effect 2 was this year, too.

Heisenberg2658d ago

Speak for yourself, visuals are a huge part of gaming, and it actually does very much effect gameplay. It's not one or the other, BOTH are required in this day and age.

webeblazing2657d ago

huh? what this gameplay you want some new gameplay element if so me to cause everything has been the same since 10 yrs. or you saying you want good fun gameplay cause me to lol. i can play a fun game and i cant play a games that just have graphics. now the games i buy is a different story i buy addictive games and a game with an complete package = gfx, gameplay, story, fun. people dont get free games like these websites that review these game so for the normal gamer you gotta work for this dollar if not rent

nickjkl2657d ago

idk would i rather have

tetris or a graphically superior game

AmazingBrian2657d ago

Even though it has been a long time in the making, they didn't even put cockpit view on all of the games cars. It's not going to win GoTY.

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SupeerSteebbi2658d ago

I wan't my game to look beautiful and have amazing gameplay like Uncharted 2.

HolyOrangeCows2658d ago

I hate the media and jealous fanboys who talk like you can't have both.

Imperator2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

Well, you can both on PS3, but on 360 it's mostly just gameplay. and personally, I think both things matter. It's 60/40 (gameplay/graphics)

N4g_null2658d ago

It's not hate maybe it's experience. Uncharted is cool but do you play it every day after you beat it? Is uncharted an addictive game.

When people come over do people yell give me the controller let me show you how this is done? Nope every one will watch and if you die no one will care and every one will say wow that's cool.

Yet from Mario to arcade shooters to brawlers people would folk to play them. Gaming has lots this.

It's been replace with fanboy fights. Oh you guys are just hating. Yet I have to ask you guys howuch you replay some of these games and what about how you play will make some one else want to play?

No one cares about exclusives guys they care about game play. Is it engaging. Or the gamers just pressing button to turn a pages in a short story you really wouldn't have read?

Uncharted has the excitement yet it has no addictive game play hooks.

Myze2658d ago

@scissor_runner

Maybe read some comments from UC2 articles (or try actually playing the game yourself if you haven't). I've lost count of how many times I've seen people saying, along the lines of "Yeah, I wanted to start playing it again right after I beat it" or "I got the platinum trophy but still play it all the time."

Just because maybe YOU don't think the game has the made-up quality of old arcade shooters/brawlers (which, btw, they quit making because no one cares about them anymore, as they were popular because console games were nowhere close to as big as they are now), does not mean that everyone (or even a lot of people) agrees.

Gr812658d ago

Good gameplay lasts forever, good graphics last until something prettier comes along lol.

A game like Super Metroid, to this day is played with speed runs and the like. Donkey Kong etc. You actually see people playing NSMB Wii or Mario 5 (Malstrom lol)this way. Who plays GTAIV any more? Who plays Uncharted 1 since U2 came out?

I do think one of the problems with this industry is that it is not being true to its identity. Gaming is different than movies in that gaming is interactive.

Ask the average gamer, they don't know about shaders and the rest, and if they do, they largely don't care. I've never had a gamer ask me about a game and say, "how's it look? does it have bloom?" lol.

But I've had people ask "how is that game? is it fun?"

People growing up on the PS era, largely missed out on the arcade era. Its a shame too. People knock the Wii for soccermoms playing it, but before they were soccermoms, they were caders lol. Everyone went to arcades back then.

Many of the games today wouldn't have gotten a second look at the arcades because, there is too much dialogue and not enough action. At least not skill based action. Scripted events. That's why I'm not feeling this gen of interactive movies.

Not my shtick.

Heisenberg2658d ago

You speak as if you're speaking for everyone, and what you're saying is true... Which it is not. Nice try TELLING people how they feel about U2, but you're wrong.

DigitalRaptor2657d ago (Edited 2657d ago )

and the better the graphics look, the sweeter that gameplay will seem.

Gameplay and graphics go hand in hand. Gameplay is more important, but not so much that it can exist alone.

mrcash2657d ago

uncharted 2 gameplay was decent but not amazing, it was all the pieces together that made it an amazing game over all. "Amazing game"

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PSfan092658d ago

that picture of uncharted better not indicate anything toward the topic

MariaHelFutura2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

Both matter and merge to become an amazing expierence. One important part that alot of games miss IMO is presentation. The presentation can make a huge difference. Games that have great presentation and sets them apart from other titles of the same genre are....Gran Turismo, Team Ico games, Uncharted2, Mario64, Sly Cooper, GOW3 and LBP to name a few, LBP for example IMO is the best tutorial ever made in terms of presentation, the music fits it perfectly and Steven Fry`s voice sets the tone and helps create the "feeling", its perfect. High production value and almost perfect presentation is present in all these games and make them that much better IMO.

Joule2658d ago

sums up just about most ps3 exclusives.

Sarcasm2658d ago

and Killzone 2...
and Killzone 3...
and LBP2...
and The Last Guardian...
and etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.et c.etc.etc.

ChronoJoe2658d ago

LBP isn't exactly pushing any graphical boundaries. lol

Maybe if the topic was 'we want good gameplay, not physics'

Shang-Long2658d ago

it doesnt push it. but with everything that can happen. it looks great.

kylo122658d ago

Socom was the game that had awesome gameplay and ok graphics. I played 2 & 3/CA to death.

FACTUAL evidence2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

Saying we dont need graphics this gen is like saying the Chicago Bulls didn't need Jordan in 97.

Headshot812658d ago

"It’s time for developers to make a game not based around graphics, but on gameplay. Actually start making a game character look like he is running, not floating. Create a balanced strategy game. Do anything that makes the gaming experience better. Remove lag. There are many things that can make a game better, and we all know, graphics isn’t that".

KZ2 MP does this already, and the icing on the cake is that its the best looking FPS on consoles to date.

BattleAxe2658d ago

If graphics isn't a concerne, then I would probably buy a Halo game, Crackdown 2 or Alan Wake.

IgnorantRabbit2658d ago

Well then your just a person missing out on good games. Alan Wake is a fairly good game that got hype on the internet but not with anyone else. Crackdown 2 is just plan fun and Halo is a very well balanced game unlike top sh*t shooters like call of duty.

Folezicle2658d ago

You need to play Alan Wake first mate.. That game has beautiful scenery, it probably is an exception

RageAgainstTheMShine2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

Amen! Uncharted 2 nailed both gameplay and graphics perfectly and smoothly.

Darkfiber2658d ago

Sure, to the extent that Uncharted 2 HAS gameplay in it, but it ends about there. There's nothing special about it that sets it apart from any other third person shooter or platformer. Any idiot can see that it has very generic gameplay, exactly the same as in 500 other titles out there, and if you disagree, then you must be a very special kind of idiot.

Inside_out2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

People want both and that is why MW2 is the biggest thing since slice bread. The best games this gen have a combination of great graphics and great game play. Halo, Gears and COD are at the top of the list and deservedly so. They outsell the pretenders with there pre-rendered graphics and terrible game play by millions and millions. That's the way it should be. the casual gaming market is really picking up steam and effecting the good games.

For example...UC 2 has cleaned up the awards from gaming media BUT the gaming community is not fooled by this nonsense. MW2 launched a month after UC 2 and has been largely ignored by the gaming media even though the game out sold UC 2 by a margin of 7 to 1. Millions and MILLIONS of gamers have spoken with there wallets and it was great to see. UC 2 is a casual game, chosen by gaming media as the poster boy for video games. It's sugar and spice and everthing nice childrens game. MW2 had the airport scene that freaked everybody out and has basically been black balled because of it. Don't tell the millions that play it everyday on line. They see right thru the scam.

The Nintendo Wii has the worst graphics and yet it's games sell very well. The Wii crowd could care less about graphics. I have a Wii as well as a PS3. The Wii is well made and works very well BUT the game play is the same from one game to the next and after 20-30 mins, you've seen all there is to see in whatever game you are playing with a few exceptions.

Here's the ultimate game play and graphics...all in real time.

NYPunkster2658d ago

And you and I both know that if the Xbox could reproduce the same level of graphics that the PS3 can this wouldn't be an issue.

Immortal3212658d ago

I want both gameplay and graphics.

not only that I also want a great story and slick animation.

when it comes to gaming, I don't want peace of the pie, I want the whole thing.

step your game up fool.

cjflora2657d ago

I got as far as "graphics isn’t everything" and then stopped reading. I won't read it if you can't write it.

JAMurida2657d ago

@Donny

I laughed when I read the topic to this article and it showed a picture of Uncharted 2.

Moving along....

HaVoK3082657d ago (Edited 2657d ago )

UC2? Yeah...I played it. Loved it. Many months ago. I have played many other games recently that are just appealing to me visually. Of course I have the added benefit of playing any game I wish at any time. I am bound by no false loyalties to billion dollar companies. Of course I have commonsense and a rational mentality. Oh...and I play games for fun not justification.

IcarusOne2657d ago

Uncharted was fun, but its graphics and sound were the best parts, not its gameplay. I never felt that Drake controlled particularly well and I've never gone back to replay it. inFamous is my hands-down favorite PS3 game so far.

C0MPUT3R2657d ago

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Brilliant Devs give you both, as long as the hardware allows.
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Anorexorcist2657d ago (Edited 2657d ago )

graphics aren't sh*t (and 3D gaming is nothing but a gimmick. Riiiiiight! Just like Blu-Raaaaaaaaay!!!). Well so what? PS3 exclusives bring graphics along with the gameplay!!!

So hate on the PS3 as long as you f'n want, it has all categories in check!!!

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DontShoot-Me-Bro2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

We GET gameplay and graphics.

Only possible on PS3!

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IcarusOne2657d ago

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

Moonboots2658d ago

For $50/$60 a game I really want both.

But gameplay > graphics at the end of the day for most gamers I know.

shoddy2658d ago (Edited 2658d ago )

ff13 is a good example of good graphic, but bad gameplay make this game a lil disapointed. you need both.

those who say graphic isn't should stick with snes or xbox 1.
or get the Wii.

Imalwaysright2658d ago

The only reason i bought a PS3 is because the games i wanted to play werent being made for the PS2. Graphics are not as important as gameplay, and never will be.

I dont play games to stare at them, i play games to have fun. If you dont believe me turn on your PC start crysis on max settings and just stand there looking at it for 1 hour without playing it and then come tell me how fun that was.

moparful992657d ago

Dude really? Yea you may have bought a ps3 because those games werent available for ps2 but you honestly can't tell me that you would go back after playing high definition games. I know I can't...

ranmafandude2658d ago

for a $60 game it has to be really good for me to buy it. i think the only game i was most disappointed with this gen that i payed full price for was final fantasy 13. all graphics that's about it.