The successful launch of OnLive has thrown the console issue onto center stage. What's the future of gaming?
it is just undergoing a period of change.
far from it
If is is not undergoing a period of change I would like to know why you think that? I would say console gaming as a whole has undergone a massive period of change this gen.
"The successful launch of OnLive has thrown the console issue onto center stage" What? What do you define as success, and what "console issue"?
Since when was console gaming dying?! I thought it was PC gaming thats dying?!
No but its still inferior to PC's
The article is a piece on cloud gaming and even it says we're probably not going to see it for a decade or two. You guys should really read the article, not just the title and one sentence blurb. It's not bad. I've made the same points for years. I think the future of gaming is cloud gaming. For the industry, it just makes sense. No piracy. No expensive hardware cycles. No second hand game market to compete with. Steady stream of income from each user. It really does solve all their main problems. And from a consumer standpoint it makes sense as well. You would buy a cheap console that acted more like a cable box then a game machine and then you'd subscribe to the network that had the games you wanted to play and not have to worry about the actual hardware yourself. When better tech comes out, the companies would simply upgrade the supercomputers you connect to - and all for a flat fee per month. It's just like we watch TV now. There are some people that like to own their media - but the majority of us don't object to watching TV shows we don't own - and we pay money to do it. I think in 10-20 years we could see videogames become very much the same type of thing. The only thing really holding it back now is bandwidth.
There is something that I want to know regarding this OnLive gaming. See when you talk about Kinect, Wii Motion Plus, Move. We talk about lag. Kinect has been heavily critisized due to it's lag issues. Now if gaming using a console and an accessory can cause lag issues, won't the whole streaming thing also work the same way? Won't this be a huge issue?
It was found that OnLive actually has surprisingly acceptable levels of lag, around 150ms. You can look at the test results cooked up by Digital Foundry here: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
response time is actually less than 80ms for most people. I play shatter on it no problem and I'm close to 800 miles from the server since the Dallas one isn't open yet.
@above: Wait what? Onlive is coming up with a console? A what? Tell me you didn't say a console!
PC gaming is so far from death itself. I can't understand why so many people think PC gaming is dying. Console gaming is subject to just as much pirating these days, and consoles are limited in scope. True innovation and progression happens on the PC platform. It isn't going anywhere.
yep, I blame these blind fanboys. They'll accept anything for their console, even if it's horrible.
Nope, but I'm sure the moronic most vocal biased media probably feel like it is... since they love the 360, which has no future beyond Bieber, little asian robotic 7 year-olds, people with the mental capability of 7 year-olds, and pedos.
No, but it's going to be going through the same kind of shift PC is currently going through in the next couple years. I can imagine the next gen of consoles will have a cloud gaming features similar to what Onlive offers as some sort of means of renting games.
Yeah that way you don't have to upgrade your hardware, just stream the content from their servers just like onlive.
the console market is what put gaming mainstream for the everyday father, mother, son, student etc. very affordable, high quality games,online gaming, and no need to upgrade the equipment. PC might be the Ferrari but consoles is the everyday BMW 3 series
So if it has been happening forever and hasn't taken over the world yet, when will it?
I would actually be a little surprised if the next-gen consoles will have cloud features, or at least not right off the bat. They may add them later, kind of like how Microsoft and Sony are adding Kinect and Move. Heck, I could see it as possible as the 360 and PS3 being able to tap into it, as both have broadband access, 1080p capabilities, and the ability to be updated.
especially to a billion dollar industry
Logic favours the PC market but few people have it.
how exactly do you get that idea?are you not working for a web site about games?
what is OnLive again?
Try it out. You still have a few days to get a free year
Cloud is the one thats dying already.......no one cares about it
Having an OS or video game being on a server while all you have is a useless piece of plastic to stream it seems really lame to me. Just like onlive. I'm not sure how the google OS will be.
The main point of something like OnLive is that it gives people on a budget the ability to play highly intensive games with only mediocre hardware. This could be particularly useful for Mac owners and those with laptops without a discrete graphics solution that would otherwise compromise its ability to do any serious gaming. Right now it may be a bit of a niche solution, but it certainly has its merits. Even though I too personally would rather have a powerful gaming rig (and I do), I can certainly see why cloud-based gaming could take off for the right crowd.
lmao not at all
No, the concept of OnLive is promising; however, with today's world companies are quickly trying to change their plans from monthly payment to pay for a package. This among the fact that most people dont have fast connections, will be holding OnLive back. Isn't there a consortium agreement going on with almost every internet provider are determining who has control over the web? government or ISP providers
Have you been sleeping the past twenty years?
is that after paying membership and what not, you end up owning nothing. as soon as you stop paying,all that money in subscription will let you with zero games. I still have my Super Nes games, N64 etc, i like it that way
Of course it is it only had some of the biggest profits in the last few years. I think creativity is the only thing dying in the gaming industry as a whole especially on console. There's on so many years sequels will make money. Look at tony hawk, Guitar Hero, Medal of honor and other game series that have stagnated its only the beginning pretty soon half the market will be overflooded with sequels. But hopefully I'm wrong.
"Is console gaming dying?" OnLive is still missing something that is vital. Exclusive content. Thats why ppl buy different consoles. You will never play Zelda, God of War, or Halo on OnLive.
I'm sure that they'll get exclusives eventually, since developers will have no limits on what they can do.. they can make games that require almost super computer specs then get their mega-servers to run while you play it on your crappy little plastic box. Me? I'll be sticking with PC and console gaming unless they get an insanely good game(s) with lots of content and replay value. Otherwise I couldn't care less about OnLive.
The gaming industry would take a very big hit if gaming were to die off. Contrary to many PC gamers beliefs and I want to assure them that this isn't a dis but PC gaming cannot survive solely by itself. Console gaming, by many PC gamers point of view is slowing down the industry (don't lie I've seen so many PC lovers say this) that is not true in anyway way, shape or form. Consoles are needed for the gaming industry to survive, they're like the kidney(s) of the industry. Consoles got more games into more family households than anything else. But this isn't about the PC or PC gamers. A lot of money would have to be invested into some type of super tech that will be able t withstand change for sufficient amount of time. And like I said before, consoles have gotten more game into more households and have made many haters of games piss themselves in awe, no matter what console it was on.
You make some very good points here. As both a console and PC gamer, I agree that they both have a sort of symbiosis. While PC gamers can get results beyond what is offered by consoles (you get what you pay for, although this can get real expensive, real fast), the consoles offer a fairly standardized experience for the same investment (ignoring slight variations, like the different Xbox 360 models that were offered, such as Arcade and Elite). This brings in more gamers and allows AAA-level titles to be made as they can cross-platform it between both consoles and the PC market. Consoles games tend to be more mainstream, but that can also bring benefits to the PC crowds. And vice versa, the more "hardcore" games that tend to start on the PC tend to get a console port (at least to the 360 and/or PS3).
Exactly, a few points I didn't touch on you nailed it.
More like it's transforming into a PC! XDXDXDXDXD
one day we could possibly have in a sense "Virtual consoles" paying a subscription for a Sony , Microsoft or whatever that is like Onlive but with exclusives and features or something. Right now the tech is cool but the lag is killing any chance of success plus the marketing is almost non-existent
Please come to my no-count site.
No, neither PC nor console are dying, just because one has a slight sales drop does not equal dying. also cloud computing will probably pass like a fad and (I hope) it does, nothing like BUYING your games then having to PAY to play them on top of the payment for the internet.
not even close
Onlive as I have heard is very laggy. The only countries ready for this are Japan, South Korea, and Europe. You need a very high speed internet to get great results. Plus not only are they charging 5 bucks a month in service fees. They are also charging 50 bucks a game. The have no exclusives, i don't see onlive going very far, i'm sorry. With pc gaming taking hits because of pirating. I see console as the future for quite some time yet. Untill every country like south korea has a 100 mb internet connection. Wow it sucks in summer time when N4G goes from 50% flamebait to 100% because of lack of real news.
I hate when they say were already at 1080p whats next? NO NO NO NO NO we have the capability to play in 1080p but were are definatley not playing 1080p games are barely at 720p. I hate hearing kids on xbox saying I'm playing Mw2 on 1080p NO YOU ARE NOT!!!! Rant over
And even if all the games were already 1080p, why is it so difficult for people to imagine how to improve upon the visuals? Do current games look like Avatar (the movie) or Beowulf (the movie)? No, they don't. Not even close. So there's plenty of room to improve.
Netflex movie streaming doesn't spell death of DVD, Blu-Ray, and Digital Downloaded formats of movies. OnLive is a game rental service in disguise as a purchase model. You may be paying a full retail price for a title, but there is a monthly subscription fee you're required to maintain to access these games. OnLive isn't something I am afraid of, even if the internet is good enough for the majority of American families. If anything, media streaming is threat to Blockbuster and other physical media rental businesses. But what IF Sony, MS, and Nintendo follow suit and kill the console trend, I won't be subscribing to any of these. When it comes to gaming, I want freedom, instead of begging at the mercy of corporations that has the power to end the game for whatever reason they have, vs. YOUR ability to enjoy your investment 10 years or even 50 years from now. Should you stop paying for these services, the company has the ultimate right to destroy your game saves and play passes permanently as they have no obligation to preserve your investment for you. This form of gaming is a service, not a product you buy at a retail store.
lol at calling on live launch a success,more like a disaster.that's a pos that will fail right away.
Right now? Nope. In the near future? I don't know. But who does? This article is fortune telling. Fortune telling is really a type of guessing. Guessing tends to be informed and shaped by prejudicial assumptions that people already have, and restrained by the quality and quantity of available information. That means that guessing often tends to result in inaccurate predictions. Clearly a bad economy where finding a job (or other reliable income source)is difficult will be bad for gaming and will cause contraction of the market and a round of consolidation as weaker companies run out of funding and are absorbed by stronger ones.
nope its very much alive
OnLive isn't the formula that's going to tank console gaming, but make no mistake, cloud computing is the future of gaming. OnLive's pricing structure and actual lack of ownership will prevent it from rising to the top, but the underlying platform is where it's at. Other services will come along that are similar, and it just takes the right company at the right price to change the face of gaming for good. Just look at Steam. That platform is MASSIVE, and it now has cloud computing integrated. Not in the way OnLive delivers video, but it does manage to distribute save games, game settings, control schemes and such over the cloud. The more we begin relying on distributed systems for computing the better, and the sooner the old console paradigm dies off, the better the industry will be.
More like, is pc gaming dying? Console gaming has completely taken over, online and off! Just the truth and not much you can do about it. Anyone that says otherwise is in denial and cant accept the sad fact.
2008 video game revenue Microsoft consoles: $5.0 billion 2009 video game revenue Microsoft consoles: $4.8 billion 2008 video game revenue Sony consoles: $6.4 billion 2009 video game revenue Sony consoles: $5.1 billion 2008 PC gaming revenue: $11.0 billion 2009 PC gaming revenue: $13.1 billion http://www.joystiq.com/2010... http://performancetrap.org/...
so we have "Is PC gaming dying" articles every day, and now we have "Is console gaming dying" if you read both articles you brain will explode because that quantifies to: GAMING IS DYING which its not, it didn't grow this year so far BUT, its not dying NOTHING IS DYING! STOP ASKING US IF WE THINK GAMING PLATFORMS ARE DYING! its tiring -_-
one word: lol (ok 3 words :))
Everybody thinks this is "PC vs. Console" (of course, this IS N4G....) Don't you get it? When all the rendering and processing is done in the cloud, it's not EITHER anymore; it's not console OR PC gaming.. It's just... Gaming. It'll be like television. You turn it on, order it, and there it is. We don't ask if TV is UHF or VHF anymore, either. GAMING is growing, of course... but the point of the article is that dedicated high-powered processing hardware that you buy and keep on your shelf is what's going the way of the dodo. Of course, only 10% probably actually, you know, READ the thing...
"Is console gaming dying?" lol
What a dumb article Console gaming is stronger than ever whoever wrote this is full of sh1t
Videogaming in general is dying. The hula hoop and swingball are coming back in a big way.
Onlive. that thing that you can't even keep your own games.
What's he smoking ? OnLive tanked pretty badly,and we'll get to know about it's sales date in the coming months.And people should stop approving these "[insert platform name] is dying" articles.
Stupid question. Answer is No.
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