M2G Writes: Sony Computer Entertainment boss Kaz Hirai has said 3D, Move and Blu-ray technologies were some of the reasons PS3 was so expensive at launch.
at this point i don't buy this for a second
Sony had patented something like Move years before the Wii came out. However, they completely missed out on implementing effective motion control using the PS2 hardware as the base. They had the tech and patents 10 years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watc... They had the PS2 at $99 five years ago with mature engines pushing almost as many polygons (15-19M/sec in-game) as some launch next-gen games. They had the Eyetoy. (Adds less than $5 to the manufacturing cost) Glowing LED sticks cost about $1 to manufacture. Add a bunch of buttons and you get a usable motion controller (no gyro needed) that cost under $5 each to produce. But they failed to bring it all together into a new low-end platform (not called PS2 or PS3) to compete against the Wii.
Here is one of the relevant patents which was filed more than 10 years ago. It shows the use of the ball on a stick motion controller, what is now called the Move http://www.google.com/paten... Sony wasn't copying Nintendo, actually Nintendo bought all the wiimote tech from other companies.
This is getting hilarious. If they made the PS3 with Move in mind they would've relesaed it years ago not 4 years after the console's launch and with a last minute lineup. Considering the massive success the Wii has had, saying such thing and releasing the device so late in the generation with such poor software support is understimating people's intelligence.
oops, sorry, broken link, here is the correct URL http://www.google.com/paten... This is just one of a number of patents related to Move. I like this one as there is one drawing that looks pretty much like the Move.
Hirai is on the TOP 5 most Wanted List for Bullsht artists
"Hirai: We built PS3 with Move in mind" Right......
Exactly that's why it looked so short last year at E3 right?!? Something unfinished. If that was true it wouldve looked how it did this year last and been out already last holiday season. I don't buy it one bit. Lol
3d you need HDMI 1.4. thats why the ps3 was expensive
PS3 has 1.3 HDMI.
It's simply a firmware update.
PS3 has the 1.3a specification. Although 3D requires that one must have the 1.4 specification to ensure that 3D will work at the 720p and 1080p resolution, the version that the ps3 has plenty of bandwidth. If the PS3 had version 1.2 3D would be possible but it would not be the standard used for everything in the future because the bandwidth of the 1.2 is less than half that of 1.4. Essentially resolution would have to suffer to maintain a good framerate.
1.3 and 1.4 have the same bandwidth but I have yet to see any confirmation that the PS3 can be upgraded to 1.4 via firmware. It's possible that it's true, but I've seen no proof or official statement from Sony.
No it can't be upgraded to HDMI 1.4 for the hardware portions. But for the software portions like those required for 3D it can. Instead of the HDMI 1.4 chip doing the frame-packing for 3D the PS3 does it and ships it off. The TV or whatever doesn't know the difference. SInce 1.3 has the same bandwidth to ship the data over it works. HDMI 1.2 used in the 360 is half the bandwidth and doesn't work with this new standard. So it does have 1.4 capability just not everywhere. That's the confusion.
360 has 1.2
revisionist history much? you saw the wiis sales and wanted a slice. period. end of story.
But we decided to hold off until the Wii Doubled up on us...lol such BS...GTFOH Edit: I'd have more respect for this clown if he just came out and said "we just want a slice of the Wii pie". If you had it in mind then wtf took so damn long... smell like BS...
Uh, maybe they were perfecting it? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
It would have been bad business to release a peripheral that would directly compete with the wii while the wii was selling so strongly in the market. Also splitting their dev teams to working on move off the bat would have reduced amount of people available for normal games. I think they've had it ins store because as that video shows they were running similar tech demo's on the ps2. Putting it out now is good because it's adding something new into the middle of the ps3's life span.
Oh Kaz, you so crazy.
¿Like this? http://www.gamesradar.com/p... http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Can't quite see the nunchuck style controller in that video, they must have invented that a bit later. http://gen16.com/wp-content...
Yeah, it's called evolution (by the way, you can see "nunchuk" on accesories like mouse for consoles, since 5 years or more, it's just a second/basic controler, it's stupid to talk about "inovation" for that) by the way, we can discuss the bad sentence, but dumb xbox fans trying to use irony, when greentard say 1000 more lies a year, it's just funny :)
What are you going on about? Bad sentence,xbox fans and greentard? Eh?
So sony basically failed by first creation & last to market!! Every platform (not MS) has it now!! Thanx Sony!! http://www.youtube.com/watc...
It fuck'n took them long enough to implement it. If Sony is so keen on predicting future trends then why didn't they release it BUNDLED WITH THE PS3?! Or was the Wii's popularity and Nintendo taking a chunk out of the demographic pie part of their plan as well?
Cause then the release ps3 would have been 700+ dollars...
its clear that sony has been working on these things for ages now. it doesnt mean that sony could predict nintendos success this gen. not even nintendo could have predicted such success. that video on you tube everyone is linking on their comments (dr richard marks) should be enough proof to shut the haters mouth. but this is n4g so i expect alot of phantom disagrees.
Nintendo also took a risk because a) they simply couldn't compete with neither Sony's nor MS R&D budget, hence a high end console was out of the picture and b) they had nothing to loose after the GC tanked so bad (from a business perspective). It was an easy choice for them. Come up with something new and take the risk or go under. Worked for Nintendo. I am sure the risk at that point was to high for both, Sony and MS (who still tried to focus on beating the PS2 at the time).
"We built the PS3 with Wii in mind".
This particular demo was first shown at a conference in 2000, but here it's being shown at a 2004 conference where Dr. Richard Marks (eyetoy inventor) was sharing his backstory around his extensive eyetoy research. Basically it's showing that Playstation Move was the next logical evolution for Playstation, despite some people thinking that Sony simply copied Nintendo Wii. Proof that Sony Move wasn't a copy of Nintendo's technology or ideas.Nintendo just make motion games a commercial sucess and introduced " gaming"(basic gaming functions, not traditional core machanics) to the casual demographics. http://www.psu.com/forums/s...
the disagrees make me laugh. Some people huh...maybe they think Dr Richard Marks is actually Emmett Lathrop Brown... http://upload.wikimedia.org...
only xbox fanboyz are disagreeing with facts, they prefer the reality they have invented :)
"We built stupid MS fanboys with retarded sheep in mind."
they had move in mind but at first they didn't have rumble in mind? Lack of logic there kazzy boy
Microsoft had 25% of Immersion's winning in mind, but they didn't have for Sony and Immersion to kiss-and-make-up in mind (that's why MS turned around and sued Immersion in retaliation), crazy logic there Steve-O...
Wii is like a lollipop, i'm too old for lollipops...but in 4 years I wont be too old for lollipops, I'll want one for myself
You're never to old for lollipops. Lollipops were always for all ages, older folks just remembered why they were so tasty.
We built the Move with PS3 in mind, It sounds better.
people would know that Sony been working on this since early 2000 then maybe some of you would switch "ON" your brains for a little bit...just 2 minuts ? And just to shorten the space for those who are going to mention the "power glove"! Guess what ? Atari had it's own motion controller that hasn't seen the light back in what..the late 70's or early 80's ? so are you saying Nintendo had to wait for Atari to get on the motion controller train for them to copy ? OMG THE BLASPHEMY ! Also,it wasn't "Nintendo" that made the power glove,it was another Company! Now enough with the trolling and immature comments,go open you consoles of choice and play your damn games,sounding like little kids fighting over "who's done motion first" is really dumb,and even if Sony copied Nintendo on it's "Motion controller success" then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's "3D Success(not sure it will be a success though,we will have to wait)" and I know 3D was available on PC since I don't know how long,but you get the point :) ! Saying that Nintendo invented Motion controlling is really REALLY stupid! Saying they achieved success from it is the way to go,because we can't deny the Wii sales over the past years since it lunched. *and I know am getting disagrees* sigh..
"then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's 3D Success" if only you knew how ridiculous this sounds if you seriously believe sony is first or the first to TRY and use 3d gaming then you really don't know what your saying at all
did you even read what I just wrote ? I never said Sony did 3D first you toothpicks for brains,read my post again,I said it was done first on PC for who knows how long ! next time check what your commenting on before coming up sounding stupid,thank you. @ edhe I agree,and I did say Nintendo perfected motion controlling and that was the main reason why the wii was a success even though it didn't jump into HD "well,that and it's price tag & mario lol" as for 3DS ? we just have to wait and see. @ takohma I don't know where are you going with your comment xD lol!
your calling me toothpicks for brains when it is you yourself who said that statement... lol love how your brain works there "then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's 3D Success" how did your brain think it was ok to say that when a few words later you say "I know 3D was available on PC since I don't know how long" riiight and im the toothpick for brains next time check what your commenting on before coming up sounding stupid,thank you. see what i did there
He (Studio-Yami) didn't say Sony went into 3D gaming first.. he said something else did it first (PC?). He is just saying out of Nintendo and Sony - Nintendo is trying to jump on the Bandwagan of Sony, regarding 3D Gaming in it's current state. Just as how Sony is jumping on the bandwagan of Nintendo regarding motion controls.. Being first does not mean you will always succeed (ala Virtual Boy) - you'll end up 'paving the way' for others.
Nintendo *defined* motion control with Wii Sports. Nintendo have also *defined* 3d gaming with the 3DS *because* both of those are mass-market *products*. It's how the mentality works. Doesn't matter if you invented it, had it before or inserted it, what matters is that you made the business model work with it. So, for the simpletons, they think that whomever said it last created it. Hence it's a hoover/xerox/coke/playstation and not a vacuum/fax/cola/gameconsole. I think this comments section should start with a credit check...
the only thing Nintendo did is made motion gaming mainstream, ps2 eyetoy did similar games to wii sports, also remember Atari did the first motion controller, so yeah Nintendo has just taken an idea and made it better just like what Sony has done with the move
well done for repeating my comment.
The only thing Nintendo did for motion controls is to doom us all to casual games on our hardcore gaming consoles. Bastids.
mystic is implying ps2 didnt have both hardcore and casual games at the same time
Damn 2000 huh? I was a freshmen lol. Was N4G around at that time? I kinda wish I kinda wish I knew about this site back then. I wasn't big on the Internet I had girls and games and basketball to juggle. Now it's just one girl and games and work. Lol eh oh wells
Because it takes them 10 years to bring it to market and copy Wii Sports. Don't be such a chump.
I love the PS3, but this is a lie.
It's hardly their first.
I love my PS3 too and I agree with you. Now as far as 3D goes, I will give them that. Theres no way the PS3 would be 3D compatible had they not planned on it way in advance
What he meant was that they made the PS3 with peripherals like this in mind... Not with exactly Move in mind. He used a bad choice of words...
Wow, I see that there are alot of uninformed people who don't do their research before they open their mouth in here. Well just so you guys know, Sony been workin on the Motion controls (PSmove) since the ps2 days, even before the Wii came out with their shit. @rish12 ya, I think the Navigator was an after thought.
And the only reason it's on ps3 is the Wii's success.
Kaz will never stop to amaze me... Such a nerve...
Hirai should think twice what he says. This statement makes him seem stupid...
He didn't even make that statement perse, and that's the FUNNIEST part about this mess. The title has caused another war, and I, atleast, am having a blast at other peoples' rage. XD
You know what is funny is the fact that Atari came out with the first motion controller, so Nintendo is just as guilty of copying as Sony is, this is how all things improve, take an idea and make it better!! When there is clear evidence that Sony has had the move in development since 2000, then you really cannot say they copied, sorry, although the navigator was an after thought and the moment they did that Nintendo fans jumped on the it's a copy complaint bandwagon. As for the gimmick comment made by Sony that was originally made, did you not think they was talking about how they thought that their idea on the move may be a gimmick, as even eyetoy only managed to sell 10 million, clearly they wanted to appeal to more people, but thought it may be too gimmick at the time, when they saw wii was a sucess they basically decided to release it as they knew people would want it. Finally I can't wait for the move, the first motion controller that works properly!!
That's what I said,read the full paragraph : "if Sony copied Nintendo on it's "Motion controller success" then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's "3D Success(not sure it will be a success though,we will have to wait)" and I know 3D was available on PC since I don't know how long,but you get the point :) !" That's what I said toothpicks for brains,don't take a part of my comment and twist it as you see fit for yourself,that's only what a douche would do. Seems like people are getting stupid nowadays.. I feel sorry,not just for you,but for the people agreeing with you too on your stupid come-backs,the irony..
except i didn't twist it around genius you yourself in fact are making yourself look like more of a toothpick for brains lol and if you can't even realize that right now then yeah someone does have toothpick for brains and it ain't me do yourself a favor and re read what you posted over and over until you actually get it "if Sony copied Nintendo on it's "Motion controller success" then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's "3D Success(not sure it will be a success though,we will have to wait)" and I know 3D was available on PC since I don't know how long,but you get the point :) !" i find it HILARIOUS that you reposed this it further proves what i said LOL can you really not see that you still said what you said in that post IT CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING having this "then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's 3D Success" and this "I know 3D was available on PC since I don't know how long" in the same sentence makes no sense whatsoever thank you for proving to yourself that you have toothpick for brains
I thought he was just saying companies are trying to tap into the success of other companies. None of them technically invented the technology they are seemingly having success in (we have to wait to see about 3D though). Is he (studio-yumi) not referring to trends (trends in these things have existed before it's just now certain companies have had success with them)? Correct me if I am wrong.
from what im reading rDrkja your post relies on the ASSUMPTION your assumption to be exact that he (studio-yumi) said what your assuming he said or intended to say in the end from what im reading here saying "then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's 3D Success" and "I know 3D was available on PC since I don't know how long" in the same sentence makes little to no sense whatsoever it would have made more sense to say then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Pc's and its 3D success although 3d on PC's may not be huge right now they are in fact having some slight success with the product
@qface64 you said my post "relies on the ASSUMPTION your assumption to be exact that he (studio-yumi) said what your assuming he said or intended to say" Hehe, that's kinda confusing. My thinking is based on the two sentences you picked up on. Namely; "then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Sony on it's 3D Success" and "I know 3D was available on PC since I don't know how long" You said that it "makes little to no sense whatsoever" when those two are in the same sentence. I would disagree. Simply because it is possible 'COPY AN UNORIGINAL IDEA' The unoriginal idea is 3D technology in gaming (FIRST SEEN ON PCs). I am - assuming (not a baseless assumption) - that Studio-Yami is saying that Nintendo is just 'jumping on the bandwagan' or as Studio-Yami said the "3D Success" of Sony. 3D Gaming has not always been successful - only until Sony took the step at the right time (i.e. now). The vice versa is even more true. Where Sony 'copied' (a loaded term) or jumped on the bandwagan of Motion Controls. When you say; "it would have made more sense to say then Nintendo is also guilty of the same thing trying to copy Pc's and its 3D success" It's not PCs success though. PCs just brought it to the world? But they failed to make a success of it.. unlike Sony (though we shall see). "although 3d on PC's may not be huge right now they are in fact having some slight success with the product" Really? PCs? Well I don't know. Must not be mainstream like what Sony is going for.
but again like i said baseless assumption or not it is still your assumption and nothing more it is in fact pc's success simply because they actually do have the technology out and they have had the tech out for quite a long time now in fact and its not taking its not failing its not a huge mainstream success but its doing well enough to keep it a float and in the end that is more success than ps3 3d that is not really there yet
Lol and he sounds very believable................. .... .. .. . . . . .
stop sayin' bullshits.