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Gran Turismo 5 Has Failed Already Thanks to Delays and Forza 3

J Lynch: "It’s safe to say that Sony is unable to match the level of quality that they want to deliver. That is almost admirable to a point, because it means that they want gamers and PS3 owners to have the best possible game on the market. Based on Prologue, they could have done that a long time ago. At this point, Gran Turismo 5 would have to be ten times as good GT4 was in addition to offering a lot more than Forza 3 did if Sony wants us to believe the game is worth this much hype and this long of a wait."

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Blaze9292720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

What? I can't even...

NEWSWATCHERS2720d ago ShowReplies(23)
jwatt2720d ago

That's exact same thing I thought, I have no response to this!

hennessey862720d ago

but this articals bullshit. I cant wait for gt5 im lucky enough to have both systems and ive been enjoying forza 3 alot but i cant wait to take a 458 round the topgear track. Im a little disapointed with the whole standard premium thing because i like using the incar view and i dont like the new sticky camera they have in the outside car view i prefer forzas loose camera

Cevapi882720d ago

when GT5 sells 10+ million copies worldwide...i doubt people will be using fail to describe the success of this amazing game....and this complete idiot of a writer will be eating his words...

just when you think articles couldnt get any worse, we get this

Noctis Aftermath2720d ago

@hennessey: all cars will have a cockpit view.

Dee_912720d ago

or forza 2.3

anybody that wont get a game because of long production are true gamers...

ExplosionSauce2720d ago

Last time I checked, it was only officially delayed once from the March release date for Japan.

Anyways, how can someone consider a game a failure because of its production time?

They also make it sound as if NASCAR was the reason for the game taking time. Yeah that's definitely all there is to it.
So aside from the fact they they're forgetting the big WRC! It is not the reason of the long production time. There are many more features being added and worked on.

thewrathman2720d ago

i enjoy forza3 and game on the xbox 99.9% of the time.but im not even goin to read this article..the title is bullsh1t alone.

im with the ps3 crew on this 1.

sometimes you can spin a turd to look like gold but then you have crap like this.

its probably the biggest flaimbait article ive seen on here.how did this get past the ps3 defence field.

THERE ISNT EVEN AN XBOX FANBOY DEFENCE FOR THIS ARTICLE

ShinMaster2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

Why would people disagree with what you said? You spoke the truth, they're still working on new feature for GT5. Why have some serious 360 fanboys in here.

TotalPS3Fanboy2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

taking 2 points off the review for being delayed.

...and...

2 more points for too many cars and
1 points for making it too hard to drive due to weather and night cycling.

ji32002720d ago

EVERYONE LISTEN!!!! GT5 WILL HAVE TRACK EDITOR!!! TRACK EDITOR!!! WHICH MEANS THIS GAME IS ENDLESS!!! THEY EVEN MAKE THIS GAME FUTURE PROOF YES!! 3D!!!! NEXT FEW YEARS LOT OF PEOPLE WILL HAVE 3D TV!! 3D GIVES YOU FIELD OF DEPTH!!! HELPS PICK UP BRAKING MARKS FROM THE DISTANCE AND ITS MUCH EASIER THAN 2D!!!!! TRACK EDITOR TRACK EDITOR TRACK EDITOR!!!!

DeadlyFire2719d ago

@explosion. So true.

Heck the Nascar part only seems to have been shown for only like Indy track. I know its more they can be on, but I don't think many tracks from Nascar's yearly circuit they typically run are in the game. Never know though. I would love to see Talladega and Daytona tracks. That has almost nothing at all to do with the game taking so long. Its the developers. They are perfectionists.

Aquanox2719d ago

Even if GT5 impresses to some extent I doubt Forza 4, which will be released next year, won't be able to match or surpass it. I honestly don't see the point in delaying the game this long. Every month that passes by is money invested and money that might not be back if the game fails to impress at the ridiculous levels they have promised.

Take a look at the publications, no one has chosen GT5 as the best Racing Game of E3, they've chosen Need for Speed even graphically. This is sending us a message... a message that the game may just not entirely deliver.

nintenflo2719d ago

I may be wrong but i think ji3200 likes the track editor!! lol

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Nike2720d ago

It's your brain cells dying. That's what the feeling is. Absolute stupidity observed in it's purest, undistilled form does that.

Fun fact! Even if your game hasn't released yet, it can fail!

My god, I just realized that total failures in life like Gofanboy are not even reliable authorities on the SUBJECT of failure. That's...gotta hurt.

Theonik2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

I second that notion.
+Bubbles too. you deserve more than 3 :P

sikbeta2720d ago

Bungie/GreenRingoflife is running gofanboy.com, with the Amount of Flamebait-Delusional Crap coming from that site... It can't be other, no-1 in his right mind would come with crap like these...

KajiWolfe2720d ago

My brain cells died when I saw yet another 360 fanboy post this...

...Then they came back to life when I read your post, good sir. I *prefer* Forza 3 to GT5 (Simply because I like the cars that are already present in it, etc.), but by no means is it better.

Fanboys fail to realize they're system exclusives, lawl. They can't be better or worse than each other because of it. GT5 isn't on the xbox, and Forza isn't on the PS3. God I love being a PC junky.

The Maxx2720d ago Show
GamerSciz2720d ago

The game was given a single release date for Japan only but was then delayed. It really has only been delayed one time. It's been in development for a long time but as far as being delayed (given a release date then pushed back) that's only happened once.

36T2720d ago

Trivia question. At what E3 was GT5 shown for the first time? LOL!

mastiffchild2720d ago

Was it the year after AW? That's how I remember it and surely, anyway, making a game of the scope of GT5 is a bit more of a reach than a good, but not what we were promised and reduced in size and platforms psych horror game which was linear as they come. Also, PD got GTPSP, GTHD and GTPrologue out in the time Remedy were making Alan Waw a worse game than when it was announced.

See? Games can take time even when, as with AW, there seems to be NO REASON AT ALL. PD have a LOT more going on and brought out three releases during the time you talk about like it's some kind of failure. Another thing-PD didn't just bang out whatever they could and will stand or fall by the sales of GT5(not the critical reception as GT has always been a fans game and the knives were sharpened a year or two back with all those "does GT5 have to be perfect?" articles that sprung up)and I doubt Remedy will want a comparison on that score either.

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Crazyglues2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

(Goes into the other room to get the popcorn... this should be good)...NOT!!!

In this corner PS3 fanboys, and in this corner Xbox 360 fanboys..

(cut each other up to the death for our entertainment) -gofanboy.com

Let the Games Begin...

What the person who wrote this does not understand is that GT5 has been delayed because of the developer's pure determination to design perfection for his fans and not disappoint them

They have tried to add everything the fans would want to the game, from damage to weather to day and night cycles to amazing tracks, to a track editor a photo mode taking shots at 18 megapixel... come on' -what game does that, this is far past the scope of any racing game.. with over 1000 cars..

(this game is a system seller just like it has always been since back on playstation 1 & 2) It will once again be a system seller on PS3...

Alan wake was not delayed because of trying to make perfection- that game just like splinter cell in the beginning was just not fun to play and they had to go back and re-work and re-design the everthing... (that's not even close to what's happening with GT5)

GT5 has been being perfected, so that it is the game fans have always wanted and will play for years to come.

-Hell even PC guys were writing a petition to get GT5 on PC... LoL (and PC Gamers know about Graphics so clearly they can see when a game is looking amazing)

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raztad2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

What a pathetic "piece". GT5 will be more than a sure commercial and critical success. You've got to be very desperate for hits, to make yourself look like a fool with this kind of claim.

Foliage2720d ago

I called it:

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Foliage 1d 19h ago

Oh please, this is the paid off 360 media starting their spin early.

They are trying to make a case that Gran Turismo 5 is by far the greatest racer of all time, but it might not meet expectations.

I'll predict it now, despite being far and away the best game, half the media (THOSE guys) will give it a lower score than Forza, because it didn't match expectations...

*facepalm*

So predictable.

This is like that time Ratchet lost points for having too many weapons.... wtf?

etownone2720d ago

"Oh please, this is the paid off 360 media starting their spin early. "

Gotta love those conspiracy theories! LMAO!

And yet 4 years later, and the PS3 is in .... LAST place. But then again, M$ probably paid off NPD and every other media outlet to let people believe PS3 is in last place ... Yeah, that's it!!!

The truth is out there!!

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Unicron2720d ago

Oh etownone... review scores =/= sales.

And when you have review outlets posting things like "If Infamous 2 is better than Crackdown 2 I'll eat my hat," well, you can ignore bias with your conspiracy jokes all you want. The rest of us will live in reality.

SaberEdge2720d ago

Unicron,
Sure, you can point to a few examples of bias in favor of the 360, but there are also some sites and reviewers that have a pro-PS3 bias. It goes both ways.

But in my opinion most of the established game sites out there do a pretty damn good job being impartial and judging games on their own merits.

Pointing out some isolated example of pro-360 bias does not mean that there aren't also examples of reviewers that are clearly biased in favor of the PS3. Nor does it mean that there is a widespread conspiracy against the PS3.

Sorry, but you don't sound like you are in touch with reality.

mastiffchild2720d ago

I've said things like this before but people are so blind they don't want to see it-western sites nearly ALL favour the 360 slightly as they tend to be US/UK ran English language sites and those countries are where the 360 is doing best. It's like the local paper being kinder to the local sports team etc. I'm not telling you anything is thought out but there will be a leaning towards the first western console ever to make a dent in the industry and as a lot of the readership f these damn sites are 360 owners why would the sites make out they'd bought the weaker console-bias works and that's why we have it.

Then you have confessed Sony hating writers like JS and Co, sites/mags like Edge who mark PS3 games so far, on average , below their Meta that it's now FACT they have an anti Sony bias(seriously, look it up and do the sums it's VERY shocking and as a UK journalist I'm VERY embarrassed by Edge)-EGUK, TT the list goes on and on and some of these sites go beyond the "local team theory" I rightly stated as a factor above. Fool yourself into thinking there's no "them and us" in the games writing world but you're so wrong it makes you look dim.

Thing is the opposite will be true in the East but we don't read a lot of that and the 360 is irrelevant out there so it wouldn't be as rabid anyway, now would it?

n4gno2720d ago

Are you kidding xbox blind fanboyz ?

everyone can see the uggly propaganda from microsoft and biased sites since 2006, "when you don't have it, bash it" ..ps3 (who sell better than xbox since the beginning, despite of that kind of terrorist marketing)...it's obvious, like fox news is not a democrate TV (microsoft use the same powerfull brainwashing machine than neo cons/bush, they know now that if you lie often, 50% of the world, the dumbest one for the most part, will believe your lies "massive destruction weapon in iral/ps3, bluray, move, 3D, etc is doomed") don't forget that the most part of the powerfull medias are americans, like ms .
paid sites + biased sites and fanboyz = the best hardware/software library has suffered and did'nt sell like it could have sell (fortunatly, real gamers made ps3 already a success)

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talltony2720d ago

Thanks to Forza ?? Hahah keep dreaming.

The Maxx2720d ago

and delays....maybe you missed that part.

klado2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

Delays for what?

...Features...

- Polyphony Digital is working on reducing load times and is still tweaking graphics ahead of the November release date.
- The game has nearly filled all of the space available on Blu-Ray disc.
- You’ll have the option to synchronize the game’s time of day with the track’s current local time.
- The crowds will be dynamic, so there will be more tents, cars, and motorhomes at longer races.
- Yamauchi admits his team may have “actually gone too far in modeling some of this detail” and suggested it might be “more suited to the next generation of PlayStation.”
- Both high and low-beam headlights will be included, so you can flash slower cars as you’re about to pass them (how awesome will this be during the 24 hour races!?!). All lights will illuminate dirt, smoke, or other debris in the air.
- NASCAR insisted that all of their series’ cars be playable on all circuits in the game.
It was previously mentioned that only 9 NASCAR cars will be included, but this was incorrect. There are simply 9 cars in the E3 2010 demo, but “many more” are coming.
- With the exception of profanity, all of the Nurburgring’s graffiti has been re-created, just as it is in real life. According to Kotaku, they will attempt to keep the graffiti up-to-date before the game is shipped.
- Players will be able to maintain an online profile to share and watch friend’s progress and statistics.
- All cars (including standard models) will accumulate dirt and will have functional horns.
All cars will have functioning reverse lights.
More information will be revealed at Gamescom in Germany on August 18-22.
- More Formula 1 teams will bring their cars to the game, in addition to Ferrari.
- “While racing the 24 hours of Nurburgring, you can smell people’s barbecues — we couldn’t recreate that.” — Kazunori Yamauchi

More

- As confirmed in a note on the Japanese site, the 800 “standard cars” in the game will not have interior view or high-beam headlights but Cockpits view.
- NASCAR pit crew’s actions have been specifically re-created.
- All cars will be able to “roll over” if involved in an accident.
- Damage may “not necessarily be applied to all races in the game”.
- You will be able to define your own password-protected online races with your friends, and ---- you’ll be able to control all of the event’s regulations.
- “You can host ‘Track Days’, where everyone can drive freely on the track. You can try to shave down your laptimes, you can teach someone how to drive, or just enjoy drifting.”

Want more? CUS THERE IS DAMN MORE...

- Various professional race modes from around the world such as NASCAR, World Rally Championship, Super GT and more.
- More than 1000 licensed cars
- Real-time visual damage
- 16 player online multiplayer races
- Two-player split/screen mode.

...Part 2 next...

klado2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

...

- Career mode returns with a full world map, licensed car dealerships, tuning and body shops, and car washes. Start your car collection, customize them to your liking, and live the life of a pro racer.
- Compete in franchise mainstays like point-based Championship Race series and hone your skills with License Tests.
- Gran Turismo TV Video gives players access to an online clearinghouse of great motorsport video programming (both HD and SD – all broadcast quality) through PSN. Users can now export this content to the GT PSP Museum (GT PSP required).
- Photo Mode and Photo Album allows users to capture their greatest GT moments, and share with friends. Players can stage and capture stylish shots from a number of angles and locations.
- Photo Album can be shared online, and the Online Replay Album lets players capture replay video from their favorite races and upload them to YouTube for the world to see.
- Players can create custom soundtracks from music stored on their PS3s to play in-game.
- Players who own Gran Turismo PSP and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue can transfer cars unlocked in that game directly to their garage in Gran Turismo 5 for use in Arcade Mode through special cross-talk interoperability.

And the big ONES.

- Gran Turismo 5 Weather, Track Editor Confirmed

http://www.gtplanet.net/gra...

WANT EVEN MORE, cus there is even EVEN more... http://www.gtplanet.net/maj...

...Take that, I may be has a xbox only, but play station games has me rooting them, damn, I really want a ps3.

See two damn reply to list all the features in gran turismo 5...damn this is the GAME WITH MORE FEATURES OUT THERE.

Forza WILL NEVER HAS THAT, say 'gain?

IHateYouFanboys2720d ago

@klado:
"The crowds will be dynamic, so there will be more tents, cars, and motorhomes at longer races"

but still 2D.

"You’ll have the option to synchronize the game’s time of day with the track’s current local time. "

just like in Metropolis Street Racer, back on the dreamcast. they stopped doing it for PGR though, because people complained that it meant they would never get to play certain tracks at night, or others at day time. i had that game, and it was annoying that it had dynamic day/night yet i could never play some tracks at day time because the time that i got to play the game - after work - it was night time in that country.

"With the exception of profanity, all of the Nurburgring’s graffiti has been re-created, just as it is in real life. "
like forza.

"All cars (including standard models) will accumulate dirt and will have functional horns. "
like forza.

"All cars will have functioning reverse lights. "
like forza.

"All cars will be able to “roll over” if involved in an accident. "
like forza.

"Damage may “not necessarily be applied to all races in the game”. "
ouch. every race in forza has damage options, ranging from none, to cosmetic only, cosmetic plus minor mechanical, and 'full'.

"You will be able to define your own password-protected online races with your friends, and ---- you’ll be able to control all of the event’s regulations. "
like forza.

"Career mode returns with a full world map, licensed car dealerships, tuning and body shops, and car washes. "
doesnt stand a chance up against Forza 3s dynamic career, tuning options and livery editor.

"Photo Mode and Photo Album allows users to capture their greatest GT moments, and share with friends. Players can stage and capture stylish shots from a number of angles and locations. "
like forza.

"Players can create custom soundtracks from music stored on their PS3s to play in-game. "
like forza.

look, you can like GT5 all you want - but dont pretend its doing so many crazy things that no other game has done.

lucky for me, i get to buy GT5 when it comes out, can keep playing Forza 3 until then, and then play them both after GT5s release.

StbI9902719d ago (Edited 2719d ago )

@above...Did he listed these features stating GT5 features are revolutionizing the concept? no, just stated in what they were working in these 5 years, the delays, everything, so don't jump with comparing games which by far GT5 outperform forza, which by listed feature, any blind fanboy can not realize the amount of effort and details such a games like this can take hence time, and it well deserves it.

IHateYouFanboys2719d ago

"Did he listed these features stating GT5 features are revolutionizing the concept? no, just stated in what they were working in these 5 years"

no, but he stated that Forza will never have those features. i merely pointed out where he was wrong - which was nearly every feature.

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Hanif-8762720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

Should i of even wasted my time commenting? because Gran Turismo 5 is a technical beast sporting unmatched photorealistic graphics and a unrivaled driving physics. Also, no other game on this planet packs features upon features like what Gran Turismo 5 offers, its basically 3 driving games in 1. Furthermore, it has over a 1000 vehicles all in which matches their real life counter parts in 100% detail.

evilmonkey5012720d ago

This will be the best looking game to date. I'm sure of it. With all sorts of cool features like headtracking (ps3eye) and 3D Im ready to buy it day one.

n4gno2720d ago

[email protected] disagreeing with facts.

they know that not a single game for xbox has ps3 best exclusives graphics, but they want to believe "bububu wait for alan wakkkke"

Imperator2720d ago

Forza is like an NES racer compared to GT5. GT5, the Real driving simulator.

Danja2720d ago

this article just fails shakes head and walks away ....

Cant wait till November 2nd....cant wait to play this Failure !!

InFAMOUS12720d ago

I swear people forget this is GRAN TURISMO! I mean this is the ONE game that will move PS3s into the living rooms of MANY! Gran Turismo is to racing sims as what the iphone is to the smartphone market! This game will without a doubt be hailed as the greatest racing sim of all time! PD and Sony both know it, thats why Sony keeps sinking money into the project, allowing it to be delayed. The site name says it all, and is pure flamebait, but GT5 will be Sony's biggest success this gen next to the Uncharted franchise. PERIOD

ProjectVulcan2720d ago

''At this point, Gran Turismo 5 would have to be ten times as good GT4 was in addition to offering a lot more than Forza 3 did''

It doesnt have to be ten times better than GT4, and IT WILL offer a lot more than Forza 3 as far as i can see

evilmonkey5012720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

Of course it will...its on a dual layer bluray! That's quite literally ten times larger than what FORZA can deliver. I don't care what the haters say, this game is gonna be the best racing game EVER. I was lucky enough to see this game demo'd by Sony and all I could say was "I cant believe my eyes!" This is the closest looking game to reality I have ever seen.

Donny2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

gt5 pwns forza any fkn day of the week.

ABizzel12720d ago

Forza will never be able to do anything to hurt Gran Turismo, because it's nowhere near the level of GT, and it's an Xbox 360 exclusive, while GT is a PlayStation exclusive.

The only part of this that makes sense is the fact that GT has been in development, but unlike other games (Alan Wake), GT has been in development for so long by adding feature after feature after feature.

GT5 is never going to fail. Expect 2 million if not more by years end in sales.

Independent_Charles2720d ago

i cant see this not selling tbh. too nig a name 'GT' is.

morkendo2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

surely your flamebaiting RIGHT??
thats like saying MARIO failed N.E.S
your editor should have your articles more intelligent instead of belittling themselfs to flamebaiting GT5

morkendo2720d ago

GOFANBOY FAILED @ flamebaiting GT5..... lmfao

Sevir042720d ago

Blaze i soo agree with you!!!!

KozmoOchez2720d ago

someone is desperate for hits lol

thedisagreefairy2720d ago

has this piece of shit site still not getting filtered out. the articles are trash. quit begging for hits and write something decent. any fanboy on either side of this dumb console war could write better flamebait than this lame ass site.

MariaHelFutura2720d ago

I`d rather play Prologue than Forza. I`d rather play Prologue than NFS:Shift. I`d rather play GT5 than Prologue.

Chubear2720d ago

ahhh, the new troll and flambait culture this gen is just so awesome. Sad and pitifull but still awesome.

Love it when gaming "journalists" chime in to stoke the flames so they can keep business flowing on their website while they pretend they\re above the whole flamebait culture but they are the initial instigators all the time.

jebabcock2720d ago

speculation based on more speculation based on more speculation... Once upon a time in order to state something as a matter of fact, you had to have some sort of hard factual evidence to support it... But now a game can definitively be declared a failure months before it is ever released... sometimes it just amazes me... The only factual information that anyone could really go by in regards to this game, is how well prologue sold, and how well the previous iterations sold... if more people were willing to spend 40 bucks on a demo of gt5 than the full forza game, then the only real thing i take from that is people really love their gt and i have no reason to think the game won't be a success... The difference between alan wake and gt, is that gt is tried and true, its a 5th iteration, you can bank on it being good... alan wake did not have that luxury... I suppose starcraft II and diablo III will do terribly too cause they took too long to be released.... this article is just flamebait and a big fail...

J-Smith2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

WHO?

& is it just me or is this site looking like 2006/7 again?
i.e there are more & more ps3 hate articles on this site?

UltimateIdiot9112719d ago

It smells like fear and confusion.

tinybigman2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

how many times have you ever seen a car do a handstand or a truck flipped over on it's back right itself out of nowhere IN REAL LIFE?

after seeing the videos on youtube of the so-called realistic sim racer that's called Forza 3 i think turn-10 should take a better look at themselves and it.

and again the game only had ONE DELAY and that's in Japan; it over had a worldwide release date until this year's E3 dumbass.

western gaming media is by far the worst i've seen, GT5 will wipe the floor with Forza 3 and everyone knows it.

this website needs to GTFO of here with this BS.

sinclaircrown2720d ago

This will not fail. I'm 99.99999% sure of that.

Of course, its all a matter of personal opinion, but I don't see this failing the target audience.

otherZinc2720d ago

GT5 may sell more, however, Forza 3 will be the more complete game, with all features.

We can compare features later & Forza will Kill GT5 but sell less than GT5.

Also, GT5 will start with a pack-in or sales in the States will not be what SONY Super Fans expect.

downwardspiral2720d ago

forza 3 will be more complete?They don't even have night racing lol

Makidian2720d ago

You are as delusional as the guy that wrote this article. Someone posted a feature list a few comments up so print it out or One Note it all and then compare it to Forza. For a racing sim Forza is good but Gran Turismo is the king and will stay the king because it is truly complete.

TROLL EATER2720d ago

gt5 tokyo 2011 wil be comin soon

beardpapa2720d ago (Edited 2720d ago )

lol what delays? There was only one release date for Japan, otherwise there were never any release dates for US/EU.

By that same reasoning from the article, we can understand why haze, too human, and alan wake failed 'thanks to delays'.

Realistically, GT5 never had an actual release date so technically there aren't any delays.