Remember that E3 thing? During that three days of not-so-glorious madness, 1UP cornered Sony Computer Entertainment's Head of Worldwide Studios, Phil Harrison, for some head-to-head discussion about a number of topics related to the PlayStation universe. What'd they talk about? GameVideos has the footage, with highlights below.
Madden on PS3 Only 30 FPS
"[pause] Well, I can only point to our own sports studio [doing a] 1080p, 60 frames-per-second basketball game, but I'm afraid I have no idea. We're providing some tools and technologies from our worldwide studio's core technology groups to 3rd parties now, as well. You may remember something from GDC, we announced this thing called EDGE and that's now widely deployed within the 3rd party community, and that is clearly improving the developer's ability to maximize what the CELL processor does. Hopefully, that will assist folks like EA. It would concern me if the platform was incapable of doing it, but we've proven the platform is capable of doing it, so it's not a PlayStation 3 issue. I'm trying to be polite."
How Home is Progressing
"We did have a small hiccup on getting the Home development kit out, but it actually went out on Tuesday [Harrison is referring to Tuesday, July 10th], so that's already started out there. Some of the functionality that goes into Home is actually based on top of the PlayStation Network functionality and it has to be deployed there first before we can put the visual layer on top of it, so there's a couple of different schedule issues in that, but, we're on schedule for the Fall, as we said yesterday. Game launching, the ability to launch games directly from inside of Home, is in the next library update for developers, which will be in August."
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As far as Madden 08, id care if it were a decent football game but its not. The whole entire game needs to be completely re done...
Have they EVER switched the camera view? EVER? Even in the 90's Madden still had that same 3rd person over the quarterback view... Sorry but in real football surely the quarterback doesnt see the field as if he were in a blimp...
I have Madden 07 which frankly looks the same, ill pretend my rosters updated and save 59.99 for a decent game... I like how they pawned off side line catches as a feature this year... As opposed to last years retarded AI just running out of bounds...
Thats EA for you... Creativity NOT IN THE GAME!
"...Well We(sony) can produce a full 1080p basketball game running at 60 frames....."
Granted it is less players on "field" vs football but usually the basketball games make it up by making the fans in the stands pop out.
Vs.
Madden making the people in the stands look like generic moving cardboard stickouts which all wear the same flannel sweater. :)
madden will still no matter what sell like crazy
HOME and LBP and already explained and overused for so many times since GDC 07.
But yeah tumbs up for PhilH.
I only wish your parents were as lazy as them an not bothered having sex to create you 10 years ago.
I can see that you do not have a PS3 and what someone needs to do is sue your parents for conceiving you! I agree with DrPirate with his comment. That is just stupid banter!!!
You really don't have to tell us all about how much of a chore it was for your parents to have sex with each other.
And I'm guessing you go around justifying your virginity by saying you're just too lazy to have sex?
lol@BS3
That was a weak comeback.
Go rent Def jam or something, or heck go watch Yo Mamma! on MTV. Your shiznit is weak, son.
If anyone is to blame, its Trojan Brand Latex for your presence here today.
Look at you, Bull$h!t the Third, all invigorated with those (unfortunately given) "5" bubbles!! If you weren't so much idiotic as to post something like "everyone knows that the cell is useless" then you wouldn't have to deal of being gang-posted by Sony fans. And another thing: Where in the freakin' interview does it shows that Harrison said something truly bad that would be constituted as "slander"? A slander would be saying something that isn't entirely true and stating it as "fact". A good example of slander would be me calling you "stupid". But then again, as evident in your post, you proved that it is a FACT, so it can't be "slander". Oh, what the hell, you didn't call yourself Bull$h!t the Third for nothing!!
PS Speaking about sex, and since you probably know more about it, how's the progress in producing the next member of the Bull$h!t family, Bull$h!t the Fourth?
you were meant to be OUT at three strikes. If your supprised buy peoples response to your childlike comments then you really are dupid.
on topic
Phill is a good speaker especially when your face to face it seems. Lets hope he can keep it like this as it gives LESS fodder for sony haters.
When asked about the fact that EA did a game in 30fps for the PS3, Phil said that there's already games out in 1080P at 60fps. He also said that Sony has develepped tools to help developpers make games. What's bad about this please???
If somebody could be sued for defamation, it could be you... After all, you're saying "Everyone knows the cell is useless for games" but with absolutely no proof whatsoever. This is defamation. Proof, there's many awesome games out already, and more to come. You are truly sad.
Children today....
It's eerie. But the man is doing a good job. Very interesting interview. Thank you for linking it.
I'm kidding. Phil is cool under pressure and is very knowledgable about the product he represents. Class act.
Here's my argument, I assume that both the 360 team and ps3 team at EA have similar skill levels and I also assume that both teams have been given the same amount of time and the same budget to create the game but the 360 version usually comes out a little better in one way or another. This isn't because the devs are lazy or unskilled and it isn't because the PS3 is not capable. Rather, I beleive it is because the ps3 is finicky to program for and the same sized team with similar skills, the same amount of time and the same budget will produce a better product on the 360 vs the PS3 because of it. Another factor is whether or not there is a team working on a pc version. Because of the similarities between the directx environment on the pc and the 360 environment, often programming breakthroughs will be mutually benificial between the pc team and the 360 team.
Given more money and time, the PS3 team will likely produce a product that is equal to or better than the 360 version but herein lays the catch-22 of the cell processor. It may be capable of more but to get there requires more time and money. More time and money means more risk and in the world of multi-million dollar development cycles, risk is a bad thing so studios are willing to put out a lesser product rather than take a higher risk.
This isn't about skill, laziness or the capability of the platform. It's about dollars and cents and as long as it requires more time and effort for a team to get something out of the cell, then we will continue to see lower quality on multiplat titles for PS3.
You want better quality games on the PS3? Then quit calling devs lazy or unskilled and start calling on Sony to improve their developer tools and documentation so the devs don't have to work so hard just to get to the same place.
Always love reading his interviews,every time i read one it makes me so proud to be a Sony fan and owner of a PS3 day-one.
Phil Harrison keep up the excelent work you are the best in the business.
When will Sony just own up about the Cell? Folks, the Cell was put into the PS3 to be the video imaging device for blu-ray, not because it's good for gaming. Just ask any developer that had to spend an extra 6 monthes to a year in development with mediocre results.
http://www.hpcwire.com/hpc/...
http://www.videsignline.com...
http://www.advancedimagingp...
Words with no works. Fun.
does nothing for your argument. Have a good night misguided one. I hope you learn some day.
I added some links for you kid.
"Using an enhanced PowerPC CPU and eight floating point units"
The article you posted said Enhanced PowerPc chip...that means PS3 is more powerful than 360, becoz 360 uses old PowerPC chip from IBM too... while PS3 uses ENHANCED PowerPC...
Have you got banned yet, in gamespot for trolling? I know that you wrote the exact article here yesterday, and that you are one of the most hardcore fanboys on both sites (can't believe you don't have more then 3 ignores). Anyways, I enjoyed your random links, and your other great topics (mgs4 is the cheesiest stupidest game ever, splinter cell owns it, mgs shouldn't even be considered a game) was one that I will always remember (up there with the albert einstein and hitler didn't live in the same century comment by twinblade).
What have you been up to recently anyways? Making a name for yourself I see.
Because of your benfeficial, excellent community service in exposing the
'real person', I, on behalf of every honorable N4G.com user, award you with a "+" bubble.
UPDATE:
@ngg12345,
I admire your humility. FYI, I used to go Gamespot, until Sony haters and rabid MS fanboys started over-saturating the comments section of news articles, even if those PS3 articles have nothing to do with the Xbox 360.
@bluebrad1974,
Are you upset that this site isn't like Gamespot, where your kind can relentlessly bully people just for simply supporting Sony, fanboy or not?
I just am bothered seeing a familiar face, that I really dislike. It is like seeing bill gates, the user at a nintendo forum trolling. It just brings me even more hatred for someone. I have to admit, he is the only person (among the 2 people who ignored me, how dare you?), that I actually hate on this site. I don't understand why he didn't change his name, because I would think most people would acknowledge who he was (he isn't just infamous, but usually on every worst fanboy list) at gamespot.
I don't know why you would think anyone should use a different name. But anyway, how is the SPG treating you? Good hopefully, but I would take anything that anyone on that site says with a grain of salt. In true Sony form, I have yet to see anything truthful come out of them. You should contact me, we could get together for coffee.
http://n4g.com/ps3/NewsCom-...
I think that any loyalists that will defend a company are pathetic. I own a xbox 360, ps3, wii, and a great computer. Anyways, I don't really post on system wars, just have an account to see the raving fanboys (greg_splicer, powerchargged, and tree_branch).
what a looser. Last time i checked my blu ray player didnt have a cell inside. Did pioneer ripp me off or something.
People we are under attack from the lord of the flies.
They just prove that the cell can do more than just play game. That's cool with me if it can be used in hospitals to save lives. Don't want to scare you, but PowerPCs (like the 360) are also used in hundreds of applications other than gaming... Wake up!
From your very own links:
Cell 10 times the performance of the latest PC processors in general applications, and up to fifty times the performance in imaging applications. (Great, it's good at imaging too)
The Cell Architecture ..., with its core functionality focused on the extreme graphics demands made by game consoles. (So it can do more, but it's focused on game consoles...)
Mercury is leading adoption of this powerful multicore processor in non-gaming markets that include, medical imaging, video processing, semiconductor, seismic computation, and ray tracing. (So yes, like a PC, you can do more than gaming with the cell)
Sony's PlayStation 3 and a workstation from IBM are expected to be the first Cell-based machines. (And trust me, they won't be the last!!! In fact, this prove that any good programmers can use any processor and get awesome stuff out of it. Hope these 3D heart imaging are not in 60fps also, otherwise, some programmers would look bad too!)
Well, after seeing GT5 in action, I think thats a more worrying hardware fact for your 360 than it is for the PS3.
That really sucks
there will be standard stuff to hook up your pad but when it comes to specialty furniture it will cost... another thing sponser contests will allow you to win furniture so don't be too pissed off about about not getting everything for free even though the sick ass service is
I would love to hear the EA boss make a statement about phil harrison's interview !
Do not underestimate the power of EA !
I KNOW I WOULD BE PISSED IF I WAS THE HEAD OF EA !
Do they have the stones to go against Sony ?
EA said they can't get a game to be 1080p at 60fps on the PS3 and Sony said well, we can.
What's your trouble with that?
The head of EA should be pissed only at his own people for not doing what they're being paid to do.
hmmm who could that be?? PEEETTTERRRR MOOOOORREEEE!!
hahaha, bubbles
Awesome! Pnwed relocation expenses included style!
thanks for making me laugh,anyways bubble for you.
Here is the truth,
Microsft announces at E3 that All EA sport games will run twice as fast on XBOX 360 this year..........
Next week Peter Moore head honcho at Microsoft announces he's leaving the company to work for EA sports...........
Microsoft paid off EA to make this happen. This is called -America- Its all political bull#$%#$%.
This is why I absolutely HATE the xbox 360 and why I want it to fail because of tactics like this. Makes me not proud to be an american because its american politics on why EA games are not 60 frames per second.
Since when does a company announce at E3 that all EA sport games will run twice as fast on a console?????????
How do they know that EA SPORTS wont somehow find a way to get NBA Live 2007 at 60 frames? How do they know this???????? So are you telling me that EA is not even trying lol
Didn't hear that man, do you have a link to this statement, if you do post it bro because this would be damning evidence indeed.
Wouldn't put it past MS though, they are also the biggest recipients of government subsidies in the US, just like GM and Ford were back in the day and look where they are today. Just a bit of history for you.
I would not be so polite to EA, Fu(k em!!!
Here is an EA programmer thinking outside the box....
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American Football is like a turn based strategy game. Its not really a sport. I'm sure 20 fps would be sufficient.
30 fps is not going to hamper the game one bit.
95% of ppl that are interested in american-football games don't have a clue what 30/60fps means.
as long as they can get the game, it don't matter.
Phil Harrison needs to play an even bigger part in sce cos ppl seem to actually like him unlike a lot of di(kheads in the industry *cough kuturagi and moore
"Hey, we can do it, so should you" attitude... I'd rather them say "We understand the PS3 is a tad difficult to work with, so we'll be more hands on with the likes of EA, 2K, and whoever else are willing to sit down and really try to understand our architecture and make great use of what's in our machine." That whole attitude seems snobby
You can kinda understand his comments, how many times is Sony supposed to throw themselves on the sword here? They're addressing the development issue with EDGE, and will be working with developers to make things better (i.e. Unreal Engine optimized for PS3 announcement).
The truth is, they did get it working and EA didn't. You can't blame him for that.
I'm not taking a shot at EA with that statement, because if I was Phil and EA came to me and said that Madden was going to run at 60fps on your competitors box, I would have airlifted developers/engineers from Japan straight to EA to get PS3 on that level.
On the MS conspiracy front, they just paid 50 million for exclusive downloads for GTA4. What makes anyone think they wouldn't pay for exclusive frame rates? Not saying it happened, or even if they did they are "evil", but if they could and it would help them sell boxes why wouldn't they?
its a hard machine to program for. Look at the best PS3 game RFOM, that game has the worst colors of any game that is to be great.
MOTORSTORM is another game where the writers over hyped as the best racer they've ever played-oh its the best looking racer ever?!, well no, the consumers saw right through the BS and didn't purchase the game that should have sold to everyone, but didn't!
The PS3 is falling fast with their empty promises.
Phil Harrision is a power ranger well i know he has at least one fan.
On the Madden and 30 FPS case, first I think EA should try to work on the gameplay rather than FPS. Second, I'm not a fan of sports game and never play one and I'm certainly not a big fan of EA so both of them combined in Madden... Really, EA sports games haven't changed much over the ages save for a few resolution and small game twicks. Just read GameSpot reviews and for every EA game, there is a bad "Recycled" medal awarded by reviewer.
And finally, Where the heck are the Afrika, Getaway and 8 Days Phil? \
i cant wait for LBP but am stil not sure when home is launching...help
"I think I'd be concerned if it were a Plystation 3 issue. We've proven the PS3 is capable of doing it. I'm trying to be polite"
LOL EA SUCKS.
Comparing a ps3 vs a 360 (multiplatform i mean) Not much difference now is there.
There was when fear was released, but now i'd say they are about the same level, just starting to understand the beast which is the cell.
This one is for you BS3, in about 6months time, you'll see things on the ps3, that are not possible on the 360.
Do yourself a Favour, Go Buy one. Stop denying yourself. With the Ps3, no rings are included.
ITS the RAM in the PS3 the developers cant use the PS3 RAM as FREELY as they can with the XBOX360 RAM and this is where your Framerate problems come from.PC gamers know that if you have a Good GPU and a Good CPU and the games still have framerate problems all you need to do is add more RAM, 9 times out of 10 your framerate problems will be gone.My son downloaded the Heavenly Sword Demo, its a beautiful game but it too had small Framerate issues and it only runs 30FPS.What i am trying to say is look at LAIR,Heavenly Sword and Uncharted all these games run 30fps and they been in Developement for 2 years, now ask yourself why arent these games running 60fps.THIS is not a flame its just something to think about.
The way 360 and PS3 work is different. 360 doesn't have more RAM... it's just that PS3s memory is not as flexible. Since developers don't wanna take the extra time to make it work as well (and it won't happen until PS3 gets a decent install base), frame rates will drop on PS3, or games won't look as good (or better) on PS3. Unless the game is made by a first or second party, or it was started on PS3, or it was an exclusive.
The reason you can't compare them to PCs is that all PCs are different. You don't tailor a game towards a single PC, you make it flexible. That's why some PCs would require more RAM. On consoles, every PS3 is equal, every 360 is equal. It's no excuse, the OS has gotten smaller every time, and you are gonna have even more features with PlayStation HOME, that's why the OS takes so much space.
Anyway, I hope that clears it up. I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, I'm just adding my 2 cents to the conversation.