The confusing and convoluted franchise history won't be a factor in the latest in Hideo Kojima's celebrated franchise.
Wait what but... I just... I'm confused... So they cut out the good story?
Everything I hear about this game I ask my self, is this a good thing or a bad thing. Regardless I`ll play it, but I`m curious to see exactly what the finished product is gonna be like and what Hideo will say about it post-release. Also, Raiden is part of my left eye closed crew.
Wasn't this supposed to explain what happened to Raiden between 2 and 4?
Thats what i thought, well the timeframe this game takes place is between those.
The more I hear about this game, the more I'm becomming less interested.
Ok everyone arhgue about the stuff that doesn't matter if you want. Hideo may well be stepping up involvement in Rising but by this stage he cannot POSSIBLY ever get as into it as he was with his last magnum opus in MGS4. Does that mean Rising will be crap? No. There's NO reason Rising can't be a great game(though, personally, the gameplay I've seen is less than fabulous so far)and it doesn't really matter who makes it in that respect as we'll al accept that it isn't JUST Koj who can make good games. However, here's my real issue with regard to this articles point. No need to know anything about the series? When the whole beauty of said series is the genius way the story is weaved through the various games? When a lot of the stuff will need explaining to all but those content with action and zero story to give it resonance? WTF? Are they TRYING to make it less appealing to the people who've supported the franchise all these excellent years of gaming? OR does hideo not trust anyone else to mess around with his story that much and shouls that make us worry about the "younf bloods" making Rising a little more than we might have? See, to me it's all questions and an unimpressive E3 showing and when the last game was easily the best this generation( as a game and an experience I've not played ANYTHING even approaching the sheer, breathtaking genius of Guns..)where on earth is the wisdom in moving so far away from it? Also, people act like they think MGS gfans WANT Rising to be sh1t! Why? Nobod wants that. NOBODY. Sadly, there are worrying signs there that put up red flags to long time MGS heads like myself and the way Koj has been moaning about resources and such makes me wonder even more-I'm just concerned(and it started with the E32010 footage) that Rising is going to be a bit fur coat and no knickers, all fluff and less substance than we're used to and way less than we, as fans, demand. It may still be a great H/S game but the chances of it being a great MGS sadly dcrease with every report. Also, ths year has seen some AMAZINGLY good H/S games so even there it's got severe problems if it wishes to stand out. I still hope for greatness but this latest revelation is the one which concerns me most of all as the story and lore of the series is, to me and many others, virtually inseparable from the gameplay and will leave a vast hole that this young team(as those leading the project) might find a bit hard to fill. I don't really care too much whether we're experts at reading the nuances of Japanese culture myself(though the points were interesting)as I'm plenty worried about this game without even looking into that stuff! Feels less like MGS every time it gets mentioned and if so it's got to beat out Bayonetta and GOW3 and without the story(one of the series strongest suits) that's a VERY tough ask in my book. MGS is a series of high excellence, just about unequalled for a lot of us, so every little chink of weakness is felt double because we WANT more of the good stuff so badly and it seems like we're just being moved away from nearly everything that makes MGS great. Again, I say there's no reason why it shouldn't be great but it just doesn't seem to be heading that way right now irrespective of who does what with it. Whatever, we all know the talent they really have there at KP so never say never on this one but I still doubt very much it will feel much like a true MGS by the time it releases-I can only pray my fears are not warranted.
So the game is going to be s hack 'n slash with no story? I cant play a MGS game without the MGS story, wtf Kojima?
it could still have a story it just won't be canon
how is that even possible? Regardless, this game looks amazing and the gameplay looks unique and innovative. Its still a day 1.
What the hell, i thought this game was going to go in depth about raiden and his change. Its gonna be weird if it just shows him changing with nothing about the events mentioned in MGS2 or his links with Campbell and the VR missions.
metal gear solid without story is like gabe newell without cake...
The cake is for science.
Well I may buy it then, haha. I've never played any of the MGS games and I've been a PS owner through the whole PS life cycle.
Where the hell have you been? lol you should go and buy em all and play em.
I don't know, I just never got around to getting any of them. I'm not too sure I'd be a fan of the whole stealth elements. I may buy MGS off of the PS Store at some point, just to give it a shot. Or maybe...just maybe there will be an MGS Collection for PS3? Actually I think there was an MGS pack which was released in America for PS2 with all the games included. I remember reading about it at some point. I was going to get it, but it never came to the UK.
I think I am one of the few of many that is actually looking forward to Rising despite playing the main games in the franchise and likes the story.
EPIC FAIL -_- GTFO NOBODY RESPOND I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANYBODY EXCUSES I"M EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED.
so why not do this game without the Metal Gear Solid title,
because the metal gear name sells..alot..if it was called Raiden Rising no one would care about it..
Rising is coming out for PS3 and 360, so it would be a very dumb idea to make 360 gamers not have a clue whats going on because the other MGS games were only on PS1/2 (MGS2 was on xbox but you don't learn the story from one game). This way everyone will understand whats going on.
It might be a dumb idea to confuse 360 owners, but it'll dissapoint a lot of MGS and PS3 fans who would have liked this game to link back to previous games. Also they could have just put the MGS database on XBL for people to read.
that people with 360s are stupid enough to not look into the story before hand
And its not our fault (people with 360's) that we didn't play a game our console can't play. Making people know the story beforehand is more detrimental to newcomers than abandoning the story. btw do you think 360 gamers care about the MGS backstory? Cause the answers no, if we did we would know it by now.
Baseballfan15-they HAVE to have the gamne placed properly in the MGS universe or they miss half the draw of the games, of the series. It need not confuse ANYONE either. Before MGS4 the released a DLC(free) which explains EVERY story nuance and link and could easily do the very same thing, even put it on the disc, for those with no prior MGS knowledge. Because of this possibility being ignored after already being used and used well on PS3/PSN it makes me worry that Koj isn't trusting HIS story to the young team in charge of Rising and if he doesn't trust them maybe we'd be wise to wait and watch before reckoning Rising will be the next best thing ever. I'm not saying it can't be-just saying I don't like some of the signs and noises coming out about it right now. Also didn't really feel much from the E3 footage either. didn't shout MGS at me if I'm honest even if I'm still hoping it's fine in the end!
Also why do they have SOLID in the name? If it was just metal Gear Rising that would make more sense but i expected this they are truly trying to bring the series somewhere else. I will buy it cause i am interested and anything with Metal Gear Solid in the name i need to get my hands on it. thats kind of dissapointing, it will be like were are playing a completly new story
.................. . Dumbed Down FTL . ..................
That's why it's nothing but a mediocre spinoff. The game will be garbage and they basically replaced stealth elements with hack & slash. You don't even get to play as Snake. You play as some tranny wearing high heels & eyeliner who goes around pulling anal beads out of his enemies.
Those are some big anal beads 0_o
Have sword will travel,I suppose.... Have money will likely pass,I suppose.
this just kinda makes it sound like they're catering to the casual gamer who cares nothing for the story and just wants to play the action. hopefully this wont be the case as MGS is masterful at storytelling and to cut this aspect out of Rising would certainly seem much less apealing to me. Question: so is Kojima in on this project or not?????
MGS has always been about story even METAL GEAR SOLID Seiries follows from METAL GEAR games. Thats why i loved MGS all the story relate with each other
This isnt part of the overall story, and isnt as important since it is a spin off. You may disagree but KOJIMA himself said that Peace Walker is the true sequel. Read 1.1.7
So it's a stand alone story? Where's the fun in that? Unless he's saying you don't need to know what's happened to enjoy the game... in which case cool, but still, this weirds me out. Rising is clearly tied into the MGS2/4 arc from what we've seen, I hope they don't just ignore it.
Put that way, uni, I worry even more about WHY there may be no canon to Rising. It's true that Raiden is going to NEED some explaining to the uninitiated and MGS fans will just flly expect to find out the bits we never got to see. Seems like they're gimping everyone if it's truly not carrying on and filling in proper MGS lore, no? As I, and others, have said before, though, why not import the database like they did last time out on PSN? The story IS half of MGS and losing that seems beyond risky to me as a fan.
Rising is supposed to explain Raiden's story and what he went through prior to MGS4. yes it's a spinoff but thats not an excuse to halfass it. they should put full effort into telling Raiden's story. so we can only hope that it turns out great and proves all doubters (including me) wrong.
That shouldn't be surprising since Kojima isn't exactly working hands on with this (actually he's not working on it at all)
Take your watermelon and stick it in your filthy ass
Metal Gear's "story" and plot twists are whack anyway. The first Metal Gear's story for Playstation was an exception, but 2 was absurd garbage. Besides, how can you take a boss on roller skates seriously? People who praise Metal Gear for the "story" should be immediately ignored. I haven't played 3 or 4 though so those may be different. Not saying there shouldn't be comedic moments in the Metal Gear series, but some plot twists and enemies are just too silly and cheapen the overall immersiveness of things. It's like playing an action game with a story borrowed from a 2nd rate Japanese RPG. Cheesy is the word I'm looking for.
the further away Rising stays from the overly convoluted and full of itself story of MGS, the better. personally i dont think ill be buying Rising, MGS4 left a horrible taste in my mouth.
You bash MGS4 in nearly every one of your posts... You are starting to smell like a troll, I doubt you even own MGS4 let alone a PS3.
I bash it in any topic that its relevant to because IMO MGS4 is a piece of garbage. i do own a PS3, i do own MGS4, and i do not like it one bit. MGS = great. MGS2 = not quite as great. MGS3 = great. MGS4 = rubbish.
That is just your opinion then. And you can keep it lol... MGS4 GREAT!!! not as much as MGS3 but still great.
different game with metal gear name slapped on it ....cost microsoft $50 mil just to have it together with the ps3
I can tell its going to be your average action junkie game.
wait, what...? errr...how is this suppose to work then? Raiden is just a random slicing, dicing metal ninja? spin off confirmed.
@andthensum No kidding... That's a lot of poorly written, convoluted, self-loving story! It's really no wonder why MGS4 couldn't fit on one DVD...
It's like talking to a really dumb person who thinks a story to something is "stupid" because they are too much of a moron to grasp true meaning other than superficial face value with an added inability to dig past overall appearance. Rising requiring no previous story is like a slap in the face to people who are actually intelligent... ...Maybe Idiocracy had it right all along...
but since its kojima, it will be fun =D but pointless...but fun =D don't want to confuse the new "fans" to the franchise, their brains would explode if they were exposed to the story xP they aren't used to good stories
oh it's official after kojima stepped down on the rising project i was getting sketchy already. yet i didn't give up all hopes until now. rising is going to be a epic fail!
All of you are overreacting. Rising doesn't REQUIRE knowledge of the previous MGS games, but that doesn't mean that it won't connect. You won't need to know about the whole MGS story to enjoy or understand Rising, but I'm sure that for series fans they will explain what happened to Raiden between MGS2 & MGS4. Think of it like The Legend of Zelda. You don't need to understand the all of the locales in Wind Waker and how it relates to Ocarina of Time to enjoy the game, but for fans you can trace the mythos. You don't need to know about how you defeated Ganon in Ocarina of Time to understand Twilight Princess, but it will make more sense. So all of you can stop whining about how it "won't connect" or "won't have any story."
How is this possible when it takes place inbetween 2 and 4? Meh, oh well. Ill still play it.
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