Let’s all get excited about these PS2 re-releases! No, let’s not, because I’d personally rather have PS2 backwards compatibility.
we need shadowman, warcraft ps1(rare) soul reaver 1, 2. legacy of kain blood omen.
I laugh at people who want backwards campatibility in order to play PS2 games in standard/ If you asked me, I'd rather have an HD remake at 60FPS, so there's your question answered. Boom-chicka-bow-wow!! ;)
Since i still have my ps2, and haven't played the games they have remakes now before on my ps2, I'm cool.
backwards compatibility is nice and useful remakes give you: fullHD 60 fps trophy support (GOW collection have 2 platinum trophies) 3D (Sly) maybe some bonus...
I rather Have Both, BC for some Games + HD Remakes for Masterpieces Like ICO + SoTC and other Awesome Games like MGS2+3 RE4 and so on... But Sony Gave BC in the First models, you could have 10 Years of Gaming since day one If you bought a PS3 Fat, the problem was the Price, now the Price is correct so I give a Damn about BC knowing How Strong is The PS3 Library and I just want the HD Remastered Collections for The Games I want...
I wish people would stop bitching about ps2 compatibility if you want to play ps2 games the ps2 is still out in the market GO BUY ONE >:(
Consoles ripping us off again - go figure!
It seems like no one understands the major differences of having PS2 games being Upscaled by PS2 Emulation on PS3 compared to having PS2 games tailored properly to be 720p and remastered to fit PS3. I mean come on, the author thinks with PS2 bc it will be in HD. Wrong It won't, it will just be a 480p or lower PS2 game on a high definition tv, worst if you output it to a 720p or higher cause you'll see all these pixels. Look, here's a shot of God of war running on PS3's PS2 emulation. http://farm3.static.flickr.... Now here's a shot of it after being properly remastered and upscaled on PS3 http://farm3.static.flickr.... Which do you prefer? For those still not convinced by Sony decision to remaster PS2 titles. Here's God of war 2 running on PS3's PS2 Emulation http://farm3.static.flickr.... Now here's a shot of God of War 2 after being properly remastered and upscaled on PS3 http://farm3.static.flickr.... Here's a shot of Sly Cooper 1 running on PS3's PS2 Emulation. http://farm5.static.flickr.... Now here's a shot Sly Cooper 1 after being properly remastered and upscaled on PS3 http://farm5.static.flickr....
= morons. Yea, I'd rather have 480i 30fps than 720p 60fps, and none of the extras like trophies. That makes a ton of sense.
i would like both bc and hd remakes but if i had to choose i would take the hd version because it has trophy support and get multiple games all for less then the price of one game. @Conloles at least we don't spend hundreds of dollars every other month on upgrading or console just to be able to play games.
Conloles trolling again - go figure! I have a software BC PS3, so I'm fine, but a selling point was the BC for me, since I never had a PS2. I'm all for the remakes, I love that idea.
Not when the actual argument is playing PS2 titles on one platform that offers them upgraded and with trophy support, or not at all. Nevermind that we're talking about a very large game library that Sony doesn't wholly own.
very well said dragun, couldnt have said it better my self bubble for u
its not like they $60 only ps2 games i still play is like gta san andreas and vice city ..
If you wanted it, you should have paid for it. Stop bitching because Sony couldn't make it so you could eat your cake and have it as well.
You just go out and buy a 60 GB PS3. How hard is that? Whiner: "Wah wah wah. I want backward compatibility." Sony: "You can have backward compatibility with a 60 GB PS3." Whiner: "Wah wah wah. I want backward compatibility. Why won't Sony give me backward compatibility." Sony: "We did give you backward compatibility. Get a 60 GB PS3 and you get backward compatibility." Whiner: "Wah wah wah. I want backward compatibility, even though Sony already gave me backward compatibility, I will continue to whine like a little bitch." Why would whiners choose 1 old $49 PS2 game with bad graphics over 2 PS3 enhanced PS2 games with enhanced graphics and trophies for only $39? That's just a very stupid thing for whiners to do.
@Dragun619 You should post an article with that! Teach these pathetic wannabes journalist, as they only seek attention by giving false info. Either they are stupid, or they just don't give a sh!t doing some research before writing craps. GOW HD look even better than some of this generation games.
sorry guys but i have both ... ii have a PS2 but i also have a first gen PS3 ..it's not that hard all you had to do was to buy the console first model
Still I love the GoW collection and the upcoming sly Cooper but I believe we should have both backwards compatibility and HD remakes. Sure I love the old games getting remade into HD quality but what about the games that arent getting HD remakes. When growing up I was a huge dragonball z fan I'm positive Sony won't make a remake for those games due to not owning the IPs sucks cause my 60 gig died wish my slim can play PS2
ditto.. HD > SD.. trophy enabled is just another bonus! and having more than 2 games on one disc is AWESOME! So yeah.. even though I have a 60gb, I rather playing HD re-makes than stick in my old ps2 games.
If you wanted BC you should have bought one of the PS3's available in the first few YEARS of its release. That being said, these HD remakes are superior.
Thats' a shitload of money to be spent though? And back then, the games on PS3 or 360 didn't interest me. I only just got a PS3 2 months ago, coming from 360. My PS2 broke a while ago and I'm not paying for another if Sony could just give me BC.
It kills me that people bitch about the price of the PS3, so they remove some stuff to cut costs and make it cheaper, and now they're bitching about that too. It isn't like anyone forced these people to ditch their PS2 or make them buy HD remakes.
How people don't see the problem, even IF they bring it to the table by themselves: "That was a Load of Money for the Console" -> you're complaining about the HIGH PRICE of The Console "Now it doesn't have BC, I want a Backward Compatible PS3" -> you're asking for a Console that would be more Expensive cos BC needs more Electronic Components like the Graphics Synthesizer GPU adding more to the manufacturing costs which ends up with a Higher Price...
Yeah the 60 giggers were brilliant but European early adopters kinda got shafted :( They removed some of the ps2 hardware to cut costs but that impacted the quality of the bc. Some titles had weird glitches, some didn't work at all and most of them had extremely choppy cutscenes. They said they would "improve compatibility with ps2 software via updates" but that didn't happen. I would have played quite a few upscaled ps2 games in the early months when all I really had was RFOM. Still the 60gb was a very good purchase for me but I'm just a bit pissed that the bc is not as good as the other skus released in NA and Japan.
I still have my launch PS3 with full BC.....YEAAAA
I actually like the HD re-releases. Then again, both PS2 re-releases AND backwards compatibility would be ideal.
Legacy Of Kain: Soul Reaver is so fricken awesome. I still own it to this day :) A template for modern action adventure games to this day.
Still waiting for that to be put on the European store.
I've got a BC capable 60gig and never use the option these days beyond the occasional SotC session(which, for once, as I rarely like the idea of encouraging devs to stop making anything new, makes me crave an HD version!)and doubt many people would use it much more as the point of buying a PS3 is to play HD PS3 games first and foremost and there;s already too many of them to keep pace without having a massive backlog as it is. A sew games make sense to HD-up and that's fair enough as long as it doesn't become the norm. I reckon, though, that the inevitable arrival of Sony's next handheld(PSP2 or whatever) will be what heralds the launch of PSP/PS3 playable PSN library of PS2 titles in their original SD form. As a selling point for a new PSP PS2 games make LOADS of sense(imagine the whole PS2 catalogue available and playable portably FFS, it would be amazing and a cetain draw for any new portable from Sony-it's their ace card, imho, that they will play when that second analog arrives. So, I see loads of reasons(as many as there are amazing games for PS2) for them not to bother remaking BC PS3s and little reason to bring it back just for PS3 owners who wouldn't use it nearly as much as some internet moaners would like to have us believe. If there were enough analogs and shoulder buttons on the PSP it would alreeady mean an available amount of PS2 classics on the PSN and I truly think Sony will have them for the next one and, like PS1 games on PSN, when they come you will be able to play them on your PS3 anyway. This argument makes as little sense to me as the constant demand and debating over XGC missing on PSN(i.e it's just one feature that people generally don't use as much as made out on forums AND it ruins proper team based mp games as well-killed TF2 for me on Live as it happens)as people just won't use it like they make out and if they were that bothered is it so dear to have a PS2 these days?
bought a PS3 to complain about no BC, then you're a damn retard.....get a ps2/play the ps2 you own and SDFU already.
There's no money to be made in BC! Just spend the extra cash to get the superior version of these games! No need in playing with last gen graphics right?
It is all just a question between those who kept their older games, and newer owners who want better graphics and trophy support.
That's a tough choice. I want my games in HD with trophies, but with BC for the entire PS2 library will leave you with more choices and cheaper games. Very tough. I like both I guess. :/
Yes you would have more choices but really how much would you save buying PS2 games instead of the HD collections? GOW I + II was selling for $40 initially wasn't it? And now it's under $30, $15 per game is a really great deal, the few dollars more you are paying are well worth it for the improved quality.
Yep, HD is where it's at. PS2 BC on PS3 looks like shit and I've grown tired of having to move my PS3 around to play on an SDTV. The test of including backwards compatibility is done this gen, and has proven pointless. We're not going to see hardware driven BC next-gen, withstanding it cost the same amount as it cost Sony at the start of this gen, an extra $80 for BC.
No, I'd rather have 8 of my old PS2 games remade in HD. The Jak series and the Ratchet games. Then I'd be happy, PS2 for the rest.
I agree with the writer. Just add BC back. I already own the games.
HD remakes are much better for those of us who might have missed a few games here and there. BC was available, it was worth the extra 100$ back then if you really wanted it. I have an 80GB BC PS3 because I wanted to put my old (still working great PS2) away and it was worth the extra $ to get a PS3 while BC was still available.
Well, if you have the games then why not just pop them in your PS2?
Backwards compatibility is nice if the HD remake is not avalible I like both ideas but I just want a HD remake with trophies for Xenosaga
no vampire love?
soul reaver was a bad ass game
hmm god of war 2... on ps2 640×480 @30fps no AA vs 1280×720 @60fps w/ 4xAA on ps3 hd version. i'ell take the ps3hd version thank you
it looks the same. =/
You sir, are a fool.
Then you need your eyes checked.
Didn't we already argue about this? Why do we need another article? http://n4g.com/news/557418/... This is the whole rant: "Let’s all get excited about these PS2 re-releases! No, let’s not, because I’d personally rather have PS2 backwards compatibility. Sony is certainly canny, though some would describe it as sneaky. In fact, some would describe the company’s attitude towards PS3 owners as despicable and particularly money-grabbing. Here’s an idea: How about we rip out PS2 backwards compatibility from all PS3 consoles after the launch model. Done. Then, a few years down the line we’ll start re-releasing the best PS2 games on Blu-ray discs so they magically work on the new console. Done. And we’ll make shed-loads of money in the process. Hooray. Game Hacks has a more full and frank version of how Sony came to start ripping all loyal Playstation fans off. I can see people are clamoring for certain titles and series to be released on the Classics HD label. But the situation where they are needed shouldn’t ever have existed. If Sony had stuck to its values and kept PS2 BC an integral part of the PS3, then we’d all be enjoying these classic games in (upscaled) high-definition anyway. And not paying twice for the privilege of doing so." Seriously? Why are you approving this?
You can't seriously think that upscaled PS2 games look anywhere near as good as the God of War Collection... can you??? Give me a classic game with a facelift and Trophy support any day of the week.
Don't you see the quotation marks? I'm asking why the hell was this approved! I think it's a stupid article.
When no new games worth their salt are now released on PS2 and the price of a second hand but perfectly funtional PS2 is about £20 I don't see the argument either. It will reappear one day when they make the next PSP as a PSN stuffed with portably playable versions of PS2 games would really be great and more importantly something that woulsd get used enough to warrant existing. Are people really saying they have that much spae time that they can keep up with PS3 releases and still have time for old games? We've had TEN years to play PS2 games, PS2s are dirt cheap anyway and wasn't the reason you bought your PS3 to play NEW HD games? IF you happen to have more hours in the day than mere mortals I su=ggest you use your magic time to earn that £20 for an old PS2 if this really bothers you this much. Or buy a 60gig Phat off Ebay if space is the issue. The last NEW game I bought that was a PS2 release was Persona4 on which, even for PS2, the gfx didn't matter anyway but since then(two years or more ago)there's little more reason to be bothered about BC. Upscaled doesn't equal the same experience as proper HD remakes with trophy support and improved sound either. It's a big noise about a tiny problem to me-and I was someone who thought this mattered enough to make sure I got a BC PS3 in the first place-the extra ports and card readers were worth the outlay but I really wouldn't say I'd miss the BC if it wasn't there and could just as easily play the games on one of my PS2s anyway. If there were great new PS2 only games and PS2s were still expensive to get hold of I MIGHT see more reason to bleat but as it is? This strikes me as some backwards thinking anti PS3 FUD that we already heard ages before when there might possibly have been a tiny bit more need for it(still not enough to merit writing about it mind)-there's certainly little need for the debate now, though. I still say having them(PS2 games) available for a handheld is the amazing next possibility that will see PS2 games back on your PS3 by default, however.
LOL No I'm not blind, I just didn't read every sentence and didn't see that what you did was to basically post the whole rant. I really only saw the part about Sony sticking to their values. My bad. *punches self in the balls*
I was the original SSX games remade. The only new copy available is around £20 though. Bit much.
They should have time limit on how long someone is allowed to b***h and moan about something. Sony is not bringing back backward compatibility. DEAL WITH IT!!!! Everyone is so busy going on about the few things the PS3 can't do, that they don't realise how much they do give you.
If they made either the ICO collection or the two kingdom hearts games, I'm interested. I bought the GOW:C and loved it but I really want to play Kingdom Hearts but the PS3 is my first Sony console so it would be nice
not everyone got a chance to play the sexual ps2 games back in the days... an Hd release with trophies is cool.. I dont care about your ps2 collection.
How about these stories stop popping up.
God of war 1 or 2, so 60fps trophies and 1080p was a good way to see what its like i think
they will be no games that will do 1080p game no way how look it up look at there spec of there ps3 system the moves yes not game it will never happen next system it might happen....the system is getting old tech like the xbox think about when the xbox turn 6 the ps3 will turn 5 what does that tell u...
Seriously, cry more. Go buy a PS2 for $15 at the swap meet and stop complaining. I loved playing through God of War 1 and 2 remastered, on one disk, with trophies, and I will enjoy it with every other remaster they release. Be thankful that Sony actually HAS a ton of games from last gen to remaster, unlike Xbox and Gamecube.
THEY did have BC. wow. Sony can't do anything right without the critic.
HD remakes for me.
wow, more garbage from people who demonstrated that price was obviously more important than BC BC was important to me so i paid the price i had to in order to get it
I have BC, but even I want these HD remakes. 60fps? AA? No screentearing? Trophy support? 2 - 3 games for $40? I'm in.
How about this... If you don't want to play an HD version of a classic game with Trophies and potentially updated features like Move support and 3D... then don't. Play your old game on your PS2 or backwards compatible PS3. Personally I thought the God of War Collection was amazing and I look forward to more. Though Sly Cooper does nothing for me, Ico and Shadow of the Colossus on one disc in HD would be A-F***KING-MAZING. I never used the backwards compatibility of my old PS3, and I don't miss it with my newer one. Tell me the Shadow Moses flashback in MGS4 wasn't a jarring experience. It was for me. I remembered that game as looking much better. Same with PS2 games. It makes me laugh when someone says that a current gen game looks like a PS2 game. No... it really doesn't. That person just has an overly fond memory of last gen. I prefer to picture those games the way they are in my memory, and only replay the ones that get a facelift and extra features. Since this is my opinion, I expect everyone to agree. That was a joke. I was pretending to be a game blogger. Peace and good gaming to all.
I would like to play a crapload of 3rd party games that will probably never be bumped to HD instead.
And for just 99$ (less if you can operate eBay or similar) you can do just that for the cost of a few 3rd party PS2 games! So if you have a "crapload" of 3rd party PS2 games you really want to play surely the cost of the console itself is well worthwhile.
I'm not gonna buy another PS2 when I already have one. I can't play it on my monitor since it has no composite/component ports and it's not even with me at the moment. Also, why does everyone assume that every single user online is from the US? Over here in Bahrain, the PS2 is $160. I just want to play games on one console without the need of hassle with AV cables and such. Not everyone owns an LCD HDTV you know. And you know what I also hate? People who tell me to get something I already have because their trying to justify a purchase of a product that should do something like the others but doesn't. Do you really want to rebuy PS2 games that Sony will handpick from their 1st party library and feel like you're using some sort of Apple product, or have the freedom of doing whatever you like? Go ahead and disagree with me. You know I have a good point.
her we go.... how hard is for sony to come out with a update so u can play ur old game. on the new ps3 the ps3 40 gigs models u can play ps1 games so why not come up with a update for ps2 games with trophies if Microsoft can come out with a update for there old games how hard is that sony u will get the upper hand over Microsoft because they do not have achievements on the old xbox games... sony is trying to rip-off customer so they can make money for there for the money they lost.... look it now there trying to charge people for there internet that how u now ps3 is having trouble with there money...