In an effort to boost stability, Microsoft has been putting in an additional heat sink on the graphics chip of refurbished Xbox 360's as of late. Now, that added heat sink is in all new Xbox 360 Elite models being shipped.
I'd check my Elite, but I don't want to void the warranty. Haven't had any problems with it, so I'm going to assume it has the new heat sinks
you don't need to void your warantee to check.
I checked mine after it got repaired, it has the heatsink.
Thanks for the info! Good to know you can check without opening the box.
quieter than the 360 ?
My Elite is definitely quieter than the broken Premiums it replaced. I'm attributing this to the quieter DVD drive though.
I would think this would be on all systems, not just the ELITE?! If they only put it on the elite than that is retarded. unless they have fixed the problem on the Pro and Core versions already. But I doubt it.
Oh well, I don't care mine is in Texas getting "Retro-Fitted" with the new hardware.
That factory in Texas must have to kick 360 inside the factory to shut the door at night. At least it is "Slowly" getting better. Can we pick up the pace on the "Falcon" MS??!!
I guess this would be a good enough reason to upgrade for existing 360 owners? Not to mention the HDMI support and 120GB....
Do you think those 360's being sent back for repairs will get this added?
The one's sent for repairs were the first to get the added heatsink. It was only a matter of time before all new units received them. The process will be complete when all new units (Elite to Core, I find it hard to believe that only the new Elites have the added heatsinks) have the added heatsinks as well as the 65nm chips.
Once you send it for repair thats why its taking like a month they are upgrading it with an added heatsink.
However the ELITE's that are coming out in Europe will most likely have the new 65nm CPU and GPU which means no extra heatsink is required.
I was just wondering about this and hope it's true, cause I'm planning on selling my premium to buy an elite. But only if it has all the new hardware on board, but how do you know that when you buy one?
....they're aweful. How could they have released such a faulty piece of hardware to begin with?
I guess that's how they do things at Microslop, release a faulty product and then patch the f*ck out of it.
Every company makes mestakes m8. what about sony and 50 million disc read errors lol joke. still was good thought. sold ps2 to get some maony for the ps3.
50 million disk errors? have a link to prove that?
personally, i don't even think its 1/10th of that number.
still, should of been fixed in the first place, but not til i hear how the new heat sink works, and the 360 fail rate is at a normal 3 percent then ill think about buying one, but not til then
One glad to hear it looks like a fix is in place.
Two, I can garauntee all 360's that are in MS's plants and not shipped probably are getting re-tooled. My guess is MS is not saying they are because they dont want current un-fixed 360 owners suddenly all sending in their 360's to get "fixed" if there is no RROD. MS will ensure all new units have the fix and handle repairs as needed...thus avoiding the appearance of a major recall.
My friend says that his will be fixed in time for madden.
I know someone that that has the ability to check with certain folk in Microsoft so hopefully he has good news for me.
Another way of knowing for sure is waiting for Dean Takahashi the legendary insider to advise as well I guess.
Last I heard the new 65nm CPU and GPU's were already being manufactured and my guess is it will be in the ELITE for Europe however still only a guess.
I got a deposit on one and plan on selling my Premium as well but only like yourself know for 100% sure.
keep us informed if you hear something.
I could be completely wrong here, so forgive me if I am. Will having a new heat sink change the noise level of fans? Like increase or decrease it?
No, the noise has nothing to do with the heatsinks since the fans are not regulated on how much heat vs how fast the fans go like in the PS3.
The noise is mostly caused by the fast 12x DVD drive in the 360.
If Microsoft bring out the new chips that means less heat which means they could probably use less cooling or lower spin fans in the console meaning on idle it should be rather silent.
Thats part of their cut cost strategy I reckon.
However the main culprit on the noise is the DVD drive they need to do something about that.
Wasn't there a story on here earlier this year that said they replaced the noisy Hitachi drive with a new quieter running Ben-Q drive?
The first Elite I bought didn`t have the new heat sink. I have since used Target`s 90 day exchange policy (even though nothing was wrong!) to get a newer model with an 6/16/07 born date and it has the new heat sink! I`m still gonna however take this one back as well. Why you might ask, I`ll tell you all why. ALL XBOX 360`S THAT HAS A JULY 2007 BORN DATE HAS THE NEW FALCON 65nm CHIPS IN THEM ALONG WITH THE NEW HEAT SINKS AND CPU/GPU EPOXY FIX! So if any of you have a third party warranty on your 360 with a retailer, take it back around mid to the end of august 07! You will then have the new chips and be running cooler! ;)
We all know the 65nm chips are coming, but do you have proof that all July 2007 manufacture dates will have the new chips?
although its plausible, [considering Msoft has not shipped new consoles since the end of Q1 this year] the only way to know for certain ...*gasp* u voided your warranty. Please do tell.
But I'm going to need something more. Don't just leave us hangin', we're all in this together 'eh? N' for me it's very crucial when I purchase another 360, as I don't want to have to ever ship it off to M$, though I've got to have another before the release of Halo 3.
I've got my 360 at MS right now. They supposed turned it around same day and shipped me another unit yesterday. They actually received it yesterday so they would have to have sent me a refurb or fixed mine really, really fast. That said, the pictures are a bit deceiving. Am I simply looking for the little gold dot visible just above and centered between those two black capacitors? (cylinders)
i'm curious [not directed soley to you anyone who can answer] would Msoft really give u back someone elses refurbed console? Wouldn'that mess with the console registration thats online i.e different gamertag affixed to different console?
There's been numerous reports of people getting different consoles back than what they sent in. I'm not sure if this has changed since shortly after release though.
only the elite then so the rest are still faulty,people who have checked there repaired xbox have you checked the neon lights to see if they have been disconnected on the board or isolated so its impossible to get 3 red lights,this is worth checking for sure as the warranty of 3 years only covers you for this??????????????
also the unleaded solder that was used that causes these problems still has a big chance of overheating issues even with the second heatsink its a quick fix i feel
all recently built consoles have the new heatsink, not just the Elite. And all consoles sent for repair now come back with one.
As for disconnecting the red lights, that's absolutely ridiculous.
I am on my second premium and MS did do something. The thing runs very quite and does not get hot at all. It gets warm but not hot as it did before. I feel much better with this one I have now.
It seems that since the new wave of repairs are coming back, there are less repaired consoles being sent back. This leads me to believe that they must be doing something. There is no proof of this, but it seems to be the sentiment in many forums as of late. My 360 since being repaired has been perfectly fine.
I have just got my Xbox back from repair (for the 3rd time), this time, the fan noise is MUCH louder than before (it was bad before, now it's unbearable).
I wonder if the other change, is to increase the fan speed?
I am not happy at all. Time to sell it on ebay, and get a PS3 I thinl.
why did I void my warranty by opening my case!? :'( Thank you Microsoft for shafting the launch buyers!! Back to Wal-Mart for me to swap more insides...
the new heatsink is on all the models. They all have the same GPU.
To upgrade only the Elite model would be assanine.
New 360s have these updates, this is why M$ is now offering the 3 year warranty, this is also how they know exactly how much the red light issues will cost them, they know the total number of 360s sold, and the total cost to repair them all if need be, this is the origin of the 1billion dollar figure, if the issue was still not fixed then they could not say what the cost is, they would not know, the cost of future repairs would come out to be even more than a billion bux.
listen up chumps, the fact of the matter is that microsoft have to except consoles that have no warranty sticker for 2 reasons , #1 since they extended the warranty from 1 year (or 3months for americans haha) to 3 years they have to except any console no matter what the condition, and #2 (this one is more technical) since the sticker never said your warranty is void if you remove it they have to take it back, i mod consoles and have sent many consoles back for repair and never had an issue about them not having a sticker
What I am curious about,
Did you send in a (before) modded and banned one in for repair and did you got the same back or a not banned model?
The strange thing is, that if they send you another model, what happens to the banned one, does someone else has the problem of getting a banned 360?
Just got mine back from Tx repair shop. No heatsink. I did get new and stronger (louder?) fans.
How can you tell? You can take the gray side panel off very easy and take a look inside. Heatsink would be on that side. And no, that will not break the seal on the console.
For those that don't know what ROHS is, it is reduction of hazardous substances and was mandated in electronics manufacturing in Europe in 2006. The problem for lead free soldering is an issue of crystal growth on the solder itself causing all sorts of failures. Though everyone wants to say microsoft sucks as a manufacturer they aren't really a manufacturer like sony. They worked with a subcontract manufacturer to design the unit and all the manufacturing was left up to the subcon. I'm curious how much of the financial damage MS is taking on the defective 360s is being passed onto the subcontract manufacturer(s) that produced them?
Does anybody know if all the ELITES have the 2nd heatsink I just bought mine 2 weeks ago
That would explain the lower failure rate I've been hearing about for the Elite.
that so many people are excited to throw away their Xbox 360 consoles in order to repurchase new units. While I understand while they're doing so, the fact that it took Microsoft almost two years to admit their failure and begin to fix the damage is unacceptable.
I understand what you mean and would feel the same if MS had left the user base with "repurchase" as the only option. But with the warranty and the fact that you will get it back with the new addition heatsyncs (assuming this fixes it), I am less worried about my launch 360 and more disappointed with the reality that it took this long to get the fix. Tho I'm probably more forgiving than others since I haven't had a problem YET. *crosses fingers*
a lot of security for existing 360 owners, though it'd be nice if Microsoft replaced each system with new motherboards that included the extra heat-sink (which I think they're doing). It discourages a lot of potential customers, but it's more important to take care of the 10 million customers that are already at risk. Hopefully Microsoft is giving RROD owners new systems that have the redesigned motherboard/chipset. I think a life-time warranty would've been better, which is what Sony did with the PS2's defective laser motor issue, but the cost would've been even more unacceptable to MS corp.
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