One of the biggest gripes Bitmob has with this generation of consoles is pixel counting. No longer is it enough for an image to look crisp and invite you in with it’s lush colors and atmosphere, now gamers have found something new to bitch about.
Someone is mad because Alan Wake didnt sell :)
I seriously don't like this generation too much unlike I did with the last generation. I really miss those PS,PS2 times when there were limited amount of trolls. Nowadays they are popping out of everywhere.
I agree, though not all of them are trolls, a lot of them are legit babies circlejerking over why mommy bought them a PS3 or 360. I want my PS2 and smaller game market back, ever since games became the "in" thing with kids it feels like it's just started on a downward decline.
"With two easy steps I can climb over these seats and kick your right in the f*cking balls!" - Billy Mays while he sits in Purgatory
My PS3 can do Blu-Ray with Killzone3D at 120FPS 1080P 8xLMAAO Stereoscopic Deferred Rendering, it's brain CELL crunch it @blistering speed. Even GT5 looks more real than real-life cars! Seriously.. /5
Ya, Gears 2, Halo 3, Uncharted 2, Killzone 2 are terrible games. The gameplay is terrible as well as the graphics. WHO WILL SAVE US?! /sarcasm
ya also those were bad horrible games lol
Someone is mad because Microsoft IS in the generation (:
xbox 360 only does 560p :)
And graphics card to 100% (unoptimized game a.k.a Metro 2033)
I have a gaming pc, but pc is unoptimized and because of this alot of the PS3 games look better cause they are really optimized.
Go to your room Billy!
what are you saying? the xbox360's 1080p is definitely not true 1080p but a lame tv upscale from 720p (=rendering 720p) that's why it works with all games when the ps3's 1080p's is hardware actual rendering (that's why some games do not support it downscaling to 576p). Digital_Foundry twitted this to me months ago, ask him if you don't believe. https://twitter.com/Digital... a simple example about that is forza 3 and gran turismo 5 prologue, gt5p is older yet graphically superior to forza 3 in terms of pixels, anti-aliansing and even on screen AI cars ! http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... well about multiplat check ninja gaiden 2's pixels, you're late dude, now is 2010! there are a bunch of true 1080p games on ps3 like wipeout hd what about the xbox360 ?
I love how this wasn't a problem until people realized nearly all exclusive 360 games aren't even 720p lol. Also when PS3 was getting the ports these kind of articles weren't around now 360 getting the rough end of the stick it's like oh we finally agree people should stop complaining lol. Pot Kettle Black?
someone is mad because alan wake does not have uncharted 2 like graphics as they all hyped it up to be, ms said x360 could keep up and alan wake was an example, well guess what that example failed
"No longer is it enough for an image to look crisp [...]" If the image looked crisp then there would be no need to pixel count. End of story. But Sub-HD does not look crisp, so we pixel count to find out just how much below HD it is. Anybody who hits Disagree, please slap your own face for wasting money on an HD display.
Aww, dont make fun of these console fanboys. Of course theyre mad, they cant do native 1080p at 60fps with any antialiasing or any of the other stuff u said. They already know that and r frustrated... Billy Mays speaks the truth. @The real killer: Wipeout HD? Lair? Wow what blockbusters/s U should add another crap game like Sudoku to that list LOL. What happened to big tittles like Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 ? GT5 will be 1280X1080, not 1920X1080 Come back when u know more about it
I have a PC and don't really care for 1080p, 60fps and all these numbers etc. I prefere my PS3 due to the great exclusives. Can a PC run Killzone 2/3, Heavy Rain, MAG, GOW3, GT5 etc. No it can't. I would rather be able to play most multi-plats and many exclusives that look great than play PC games I'm not too bothered about at 12000p, 540fps or whatever. As long as my games look good I'm happy.
"Hi Billy Mays here, sounds like Fangblade is also mad because his PS3/360 can't do native 1080P at over 60 FPS with any anti aliasing" Well accoording Wipe Out HD is native 1080p also Lair and later GT5 will have native 1080p, GOW3 was also 1080p until they put it down at 720p becouse of the game engine was not fully utlized. The 360 in other hand, no single game is native 1080p, that's why the 360 use the ANA chip to upscale to 1080p. Come back when you know more about it . ----------------------------- ------------------------------ - --------------- If someone disagree with me, Explain WHY!!!!............not just clik on the disagree you call that a discussion cliking without any explainetion. why. GOW3 was 1080p until they scaled back to 720p before realese becouse the game engine is not fully ultilazed. GT5 will have 1080p resolution accoording PD. Wipe out HD is 1080p, comfirmed. Lair is also 1080p, comfirmed. the 360 use a ANA chip for upscale from 720p to 1080p, so it's not Native 1080p. Comfirmed. Why the diasagree then.
Really, i couldnt care less when theres a few lines of pixels missing on the consoles if they are sacrificed for a good reason. HOWEVER, alan wake in particular doesnt have a few lines missing does it? Its closer to SD than HD, It has nearly HALF its resolution gone up in smoke and on a 1080p screen its bloody obvious that is the case, the whole thing is muddy and indistinct. Upscaling only does so much, it cant replace a whole bunch of lost detail. Maybe i wouldnt even mind so much if alan wake also didnt suffer slowdown and screentear its ass off every few minutes with lighting a flare etc. I didnt buy a HD console and a HDTV to be faced with a near SD game that shows. Did you? There HAS to be a line somewhere, otherwise developers may as well give up making HD games...Thank goodness i have a gaming PC
It's not half the resolution of 1080p, it's about a quarter. 1080p has ~2 megapixels, Alan Wake has ~0.5 megapixels.
Indeed its just a quarter of 1080P but i was always referring to 720P as that is the 'standard' expected from current consoles and the minimum for what is currently claimed as HD. Nearly half, 40 percent less than standard 1280 x 720. Obviously when you have 1280 x 720 on a 1920 x 1080 screen you are already upscaling the image and doubling its size, but alan wake massively increases that to four times. No wonder fine detail evaporates
developers, the gaming media and fans, should stop hyping up every new game beyond reasonable expectations. All we hear is how "X" game is going to trump "Y" game in every way shape and form and nearly always failing to live up to the impossible expectations. Sorry but this generation is filled with nothing but fanatical hypocrites. Gaming is suppose to be fun but now it is nothing but an us vs them mentality. 9 out of 10 articles are nothing but nonsense with sensationalist headlines to entice hits. What ever happened to good honest journalism? Of course besides the obvious reason. That being anyone with webspace is now considered part of the gaming media. Incoming next title: "Why pixels counts DO matter" or "X will destroy Y and here's why" or "Who will win the war </insert next means nothing topic here> and why". Now go fetch and duke it out fanatics. I said GO FETCH! Oh but did you actually read the article? Seriously it's a decent read with some valid points. Then create a headline that supports the content!
is this shit we should always want better looking games or we woulld still be lookin at NES games (exageration) now granted i know where he is coming from because too many games get knocked for not having a certian resolution but i would like to play games that look better every year
nobody pixel counts besides the fanboys. the average consumer doesn't care. look at the consoles in 1st and 3rd place and tell me with a straight face that graphics actually matter.
You are right, fanboys, like GameTrailers. They started the lame comparison videos, that started this pixel counting BS
For Alan Wake's case. it's more about being eaten up by Red Dead Redemption getting superb reviews across the board, that people decided to buy RDR instead of Wake.
article, gamers today seem focus more on "Nate's butt got more polygons that master chiefs armpit" or some stupid effects that no body cares about, they all seem forgetting the soul of videogames and that is ART STYLE and GAME DESIGN, art style give atmosphere to games, the trademark feeling of the game, I've seen countless arguments about rage vs crysis vs kz3, all I can se is this looks better technically than that, they forgot about the difference ( and I mean a major difference) between the world of these games and the its impact on the overall game experience don't get me wrong, gfx are important, they push the boundaries of the team to new heights no doubt but we SHOULD NOT focus on PIXEL TO PIXEL difference unless you compare multiplatform games
until 'but we SHOULD NOT focus on PIXEL TO PIXEL difference unless you compare multiplatform games' That pretty much wipes out the good you said. Glaring differences should be highlighted yes but when it becomes a 'squint at screen' contest and both versions need to be labelled for us to know which is which then its pointless. Performance is far more telling. Nothing wrong with wanting better graphics though. Nobody wants to see lazy games when we all know there can be step ups in quality. Not all dev teams have the resources but technical/graphical excellence should not be frowned upon. Saying Nates pits has more polys than masters helmet (lol) may be stretching it but if you apply the point of poly's and counting of them to Gran Turismo vs Forza you can see why the numbers affect the overall look which IS noticeable. I dont NEED the numbers to see the difference but it does help me understand WHY one looks ***** than the other
exact pixel to pixel multiplat comparison, sry, I know I was TOTALLY misleading here, I mean that if you have both systems, you got to look into which one looks, runs (framerate is a deal-breaker) better etc.... just like that lol I should be more specific next time, people will not know what's inside my mind lol my bad my bad
one day ill be able to read thoughts.....not there yet though;)
It's because people are used to seeing flawless PC versions with 8x anti-aliasing. When they first see a console game, it looks dissapointing. I don't have a problem with console jaggies at all, but some people do.
Graphics over gameplay!
Or graphics with my gameplay
I think they are going hand in hand, but gameplay first right :)
Story's important too. Story > gameplay > graphics
for me it's gameplay > graphics > story
gameplay > story > graphics
I'm not going to read an amazing book made of razor blades. The game has to function correctly. gameplay > story > graphics
Gameplay + story + graphics
that is not when you say when commenting on a ps3 game:(:(
480p games looked amazing at the time because we still had square TV's that displayed 480p natively. In this generation, if order to maintain picture quality on a 1080p displaying TV, then the game would need to be rendered at 1080p. Otherwise, the picture quality would be REDUCED, despite the increase in pixel count. It's all about effective resolution, moron. Can't believe I finally registered to n4g just for this shit.
These devices claim to be HD consoles. Therefore there is a reason to be upset that they are not displaying native HD resolutions. Yes the console or tv may upscale but upscaling and native content are different. LCD tvs claim a dynamic contrast ratio of 30,000:1 when the native is more like 10,000:1. There is a difference.
ill remember that when a multiplatform games gets lorded for having a line of pixels more than its counterpart. http://n4g.com/news/557100/... my feelings about it
Gameplay > Story > Graphics > music
you know... the way they should be? gaming is losing weight do to people grabbing for straws with comparing games and consoles... insted of people just playing and loving the games the way they should... with biasedness aside!
Ever since 2007 certain fans have been saying how ps3 has no games and how the 360 is more graphically superior, anyway along comes MGS4, Uncharted 2, GOW III and Heavy Rain and now we all know that in reality ps3 is the one pushing the graphics and physics limits higher and higher each time, just look at the craziness of GT5 and Infamous 2 to see ps3 just keeps on getting better. Certain fans don't like the fact that they trolled the ps3 for years and when the table turns on tham suddenly it's gameplay>>graphics, that is pretty much what us ps fans have beeen saying all along thanks for finally realising that gameplay is important now maybe you will play some ps3 games because most of them have really good gameplay and graphics and a good story to boot.
it's ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS that a Sony fan will tell a 360 fan that they NEED TO BUY A PS3... but you'll NEVER see a PS3 fan willing to embrace the 360... cause LIVE is $50, or the HD is proprietary to MS only, or it don't have Blu-ray, and the graphics suck @$$... Im tired of people saying PS3 is thee console to own, 360 exists too and also provides some truely bad ass games that PS3 owners will never get to play (and leave your garbage PC comments out of it)... if PS3 fanboys and 360 fanboys both would shut the f**k up and play both consoles... they would actually ENJOY the games... the way they need to be enjoyed But you'll never see it of the vast majority of "gamers" on this site at least... sad most of you miss out on what awesome games devs offer... just cause of a pathetic console alliance!!!
Probably the best article I have read on N4G in awhile, but then again it wasn't totally retarded. I complete agree with the author though.
touting the well if you want to get the better version you should get the 360 version. Also always nitpicking PS3 games and trying to give reasons why X game wasn't a reason to own a PS3. Now that the trend is people are buying PS3s for many reasons and 360 owners are buying 360s to replace their old 360s or some have left to buy a PS3, the media is upset. All the arguments used against the PS3 before are now causing them to admit that the 360 is in decline. If the media and gamers weren't biased back when the PS3 was starting out and always bad mouthing the system, they wouldn't be dealing with these issues. Now that the PS3 has tons of momentum and is consistently adding new features while the other systems is charging you for less, everything the media says only makes them look foolish. Now people are saying you should own all systems instead of you don't need a PS3 yet. They are trying to get PS3 owners to buy a 360, but sorry it's like taking a step backwards now, so it doesn't make sense. If you own a 360 there are a ton of reasons to own a PS3, but the same can't be said for the opposite.
Games need a balance of visuals,sounds,play ability & replay ability to create a total immersive gaming experience that can stand the test of time in the gaming industry.
well my friend after 5+ years of development? i expect more polish... this was a NEW IP somthing that M$ needs... and we got t his? im tired of SUB HD
All I know is that I hate blurry games.
graphics are vary important to me BUT so is Game play Uncharted 2 is a perfect example to looking good and playing awesome,doesn't mean i don't play games that have bad graphics,as long as there fun i will play the game end of story. i have spent a shit load of money on big HD tvs of course i want my games to look good.
The PC fanboys who want to show off how powerful their computers are, by counting how many pixels they can display in a game. Games should be judged on gameplay not graphics
such a retarded thing to even give attention to.
well i sure do like this generation
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