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Submitted by MikeJonesOK 2697d ago | review

EGM Lair ratings are true

The rumor of low ratings from the gaming magazine EGM of the Playstation 3 game Lair are in fact true, and there is a scan of the review to prove it. (Lair, PS3) -

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ShiftyLookingCow  +   2697d ago
and if I remember right Gamepro gave it 3.75/5, the main problem is the six axis controls according to these reviews, not that they are broken but its hard to play with hands moving the whole game which is long.

[edit]@Lord Anubis, I think I found it in neogaf link from the original rumor, let me try to get the exact link

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

It doesn't look like fake but I guess its still rumor, since there is no magazine photo
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Lord Anubis  +   2697d ago
would you happen to have a link. I have not read the gamepro review. Well, I haven't read any lair review to be honest.

To be fair. They played an old build. I wouldn't consider it a review but rather a preview.
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tehcellownu  +   2697d ago
Regardless i think Lair will still sell good..and its only one review..and gamepro gave it decent score..its not all that bad..Everyone talkin about Lair..its like i go to every message board i see thread on lair that like freaken 15 pages long..lol..and people still want to buy this game..
HowarthsNJ  +   2696d ago
Gameplay Preview
http://www.computerandvideo...

I know old link, but worth reading again.
Seraphim  +   2696d ago
and Play gave Lair a 9/10. I'm not to big on reviews in general and never base a decision about buying a game on them. But EGM has always been awful imho. They have deaf, dumb, blind, anal monkeys reviewing games and they never give credit where it's truly due... So this is certainly no surprise to me...
nasim  +   2696d ago
oh no....THAT GAYGM egain
who cares about that GAYGM scores.

OTHERS read the GAMEPRO review.

NOTE:- GAMEPRO has reviewed an "EARLY BUILD"

the website would be reviewing the LATEST BUILD completed on JULY 25,2007
MikeJonesOK  +   2696d ago
who would thought that one little magazine review would cause sure a stir
Odion  +   2697d ago
ya i can't seem to find gamepros.

It looks like Lair is going to be a game that will appeal to people who like this type of game, but not to the masses, which was the vibe i was getting before this.
supnub5  +   2697d ago
Photoshopped
let's not say anything about it until the issue is out!
i Shank u  +   2697d ago
chek dis out its from mah sttate
this is what i have to say, scratch deez nuts

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Ignorant Fanboy  +   2697d ago
Jesus Christ dude, what is it gonna take?
When the mag comes out, what will your excuse be then?
sticky doja  +   2697d ago
I feel sorry
for anyone that would take the time to make this up using something like Photoshop, just to get a few internet blog rooms chattering.
Delive  +   2696d ago
I got my mag last night, It's real.
But I get the Mag free even though I have not subscribed in years. Their credability is so poor that they have to give away the mag for people to read it. They dumped on BLue Dragon too and Nothing has been said negative about this game to this point. EGM: Excessive Gaming Misinformation.
sonarus  +   2697d ago
well i wanna start using six axis controls. Played warhawk but didnt use six axis. I really think this sort of thing adds to the gameplay. They could have probably made 6 axis support optional but hey am glad they didnt
Zhuk  +   2697d ago
The only good games with dragons will always be the Panzer Dragoon series (remake please!), Lair never had a chance of being a classic and it was way overhyped by the PS3 community because they have a lack of quality AAA titles coming out.
MarioFromTexas  +   2697d ago
To call you an idiot would be an understatement
First off you haven't played the game, I'll wait til the game comes out to judge for myself, as for the six axis control I think that sony is heading in the right direction, it would be nice to control the dragon with the six axis and the rider with the dual sticks...This is the kind of games I like...If this editor gave it 6 because he didn't like the six axis control, this would be the stupidest reveiw ever

First off this from one game magazine and other game sites have given it a 9/10....I'll read their reveiw because I like to know what was wrong with it, just like I want to know when a game gets a 9 and what experiance they had with the game...I like 3rd person action/adventure games and would rate them higher than FPS, and the same could go from someone who like FPS more, so I want to read their valid points and I hope it's not some control preference because that wouldn't be fair to the developer for puting his veiws on a game, rather than copying the same control schemes from previous games.
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Zhuk  +   2697d ago
lol sixaxis is a gimmick it'll never make for a great game, its awesome in principle but in practice its shortcomings are quite apparent.

You might like this game but if it got a 6 this game is a terrible disappointment and wont ever be a classic dragon game like the Panzer Dragoon series.
Azures  +   2697d ago
"because they have a lack of quality AAA titles coming out"

Heavenly Sword, Rachet and Clank Future, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid 4

4 till the end of the year if you don't wanna count third party games, exclusive or not. With it has Assassin's Creed, GTA4, Unreal Tourney, and Haze. So please, quiet your ignorant mouth.

From the looks of it this game is still solid, the controls are just hard to get a handle on.
Captain Tuttle  +   2696d ago
C'mon Shiro...
You have to admit that Lair has been hyped like crazy. Zhuk's original point is completely valid. Sometimes it can be hard for a game to live up to all the press.
monkey602  +   2696d ago
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oh come on your pic even says fan boy- im not saying lair is good or bad, who cares if it got low scores its what people like that matters, but you just dump on lair for being a bad dragon game but not once mention that blue dragon looks even worse
ThaGeNeCySt  +   2697d ago
lol people thought the low review scores was fake?
Zhuk  +   2697d ago
people rather would believe their own personal bias than the facts before them. That's why they chose to believe it was a lie because they wanted the game to be really good but in reality it looks like its gonna disappoint.
Jdash24  +   2697d ago
@ohayes
stop be bias and narking a game you havent even gotten your hands on, it just sounds like your being a fanboy trying to take down a possibly great game on ps3 and you just dont want that to happen
i can do it too, mass effect and lost oddesy look like crappy games that are completely going to tank they just look horrible to me, and because i think like this, everyone must think like this, see i can do it too, wait til the actual game comes out then see if its any good, at least wait to see if theirs a demo
Huddymonster  +   2697d ago
dont be dumb
The reason I thought they were fake was because it got low scores in graphics which is suprising because everyone that has played the game said for the least the graphics were amazing
Huddymonster  +   2697d ago
dont be dumb
The reason I thought they were fake was because it got low scores in graphics which is suprising because everyone that has played the game said for the least the graphics were amazing
dragunrising  +   2696d ago
@huddy the chode monster
The magazine scan clearly says that the graphics are good. Look for yourself.
VirusE  +   2696d ago
Dragon117 you are telling him to stop being bias about a game he has never played yet you are saying the game will rock and you have never played it! He has a negative bias and you have a positive bias. From where I am sitting you are just as guilty as he is but you are also a being a fanboy hypocrite. What does mass effect have to do with it? What does the 360 have to do with this game getting panned in reviews? I want the game to be a perfect 10 like it was hyped up to be but its not. I will buy it day 1 but even if it rocks I will be let down simply based on the crazy amount of hype the game has gotten. I built myself up to think the game was perfect and it isn't.
Odion  +   2697d ago
the issue is out to subscribers
Cell phone scans are no replacement for the real thing. This week, Electronic Gaming Monthly subscribers started receiving the latest issue, which, as you already know...

07/27/2007

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...
ngg12345  +   2697d ago
The scores are really messed up
Edge magazine (the harshest magazine in videogame reviews) gave it a 9, which they gave a 6 to r6v, a 7 to rfom, and a 8 to gears of war. It loosk like this game has an appeal to some gamers, and to others have no appeal at all.l
Circa24  +   2697d ago
Sounds about right
ShiftyLookingCow  +   2697d ago
hmm interesting, can you give a link? Looks like Lair is love or hate game.
popup  +   2697d ago
Did Edge really give this a 9?

I am more worried about Mass Effects reviews myself.
cdzie1  +   2697d ago
Some games with low scores are still fun..
This is a blow to Sony, who was counting on this as a hit. But I've liked some games with low scores before, hopefully they will release a demo so we can judge for ourselves.
WIIIS1  +   2697d ago
I have to agree there's strangely an appeal in games of low or mediocre quality. Many people played Motorstorm for crying out loud. HS looks to be another game that won't excel but many people will play it anyway. I must say Sony is catering to a niche market.
Daishi  +   2697d ago
agreed
Killzone and the later Socoms got mediocre reviews but people still love those. To be Honest I prefer the niche games over casual games myself.
Azures  +   2697d ago
Heavenly Sword won't excel huh? Make sure to check your PMs next month when it comes out, I'll be sending you an "I told you so" message when it gets 9+ out of 10 all over the board.
WIIIS1  +   2697d ago
Sorry, that'll be Ratchet and Clank and Little Big Planet getting scores in the region of 9+, not HS and not Lair.
Kleptic  +   2697d ago
agree with all you guys...I love Motorstorm...one of the best arcade offroad racing games I have ever played...and its reviews would never reflect that...same with F1 '06...although I am a biased F1 fan...so I won't even bring that up...

and I bought R6 Vegas (luckily rented the Darkness) because of extremely good reviews and lots of recommendations from 360 owners who had played it...and was extremely unimpressed...visually its pretty good...and the gameplay is fun...but, although very different, its online organization and other misc. stuff is horrid compared to Resistance...which magically scored less than Vegas...same with the Darkness...certain parts are very good (the voice acting)...and certain parts are horrible (the animation)...and some parts just fall in the mediocre areas (the lighting and overall gameplay)...

take any review with a grain of salt...video game reviewers can be way more for or against a certain game even more so than movie critics...the blank/10 scales of all these mags and sites do not correlate with other sites, or other games...at all...
andapaul88  +   2697d ago
dont mean to be an aszhole but
where are all the fanboys wasnt this game supposed to kill the 360 with its awesome graphics and controls oh yea billgates say something smart now
Zhuk  +   2697d ago
those trolls are predatory they only come out when they can attack others they dont stick around to defend themselves
MarioFromTexas  +   2697d ago
why are you and ohayes in a PS3 forum trolling
This is not a 360 game and you haven't even played the game yet and most gaming sites are giving a 9/10....So unless you are a total dumbazz and can't figure out that some games appeal to some people and some don't...take for instance xbox1 sold 25 million units and halo2 only sold 7 million copies that means that 3 times more people didn't care about it, so the score didn't matter at all did it...I hate stupid xbots and I hope I never play with you on live
UJUSTLOSTONE  +   2697d ago
I don't understand (i got your back Mario)
Why if we have such a small list of titles and Xbox lineup is so great

Thes Jerks gotta come onto a Ps3 News thread about a Ps3 Game and talk pure Sh*T

Get OUT

Plain and simple

Go play your box !!!
WIIIS1  +   2697d ago
Condolences are expressed in different ways, some more tactfully than others. Even in your sorrow, you should at least try to take it in the right spirit.
Captain Tuttle  +   2696d ago
You want to see some PS3 fanboys...
Crapping up a thread? Go over to the Bioshock/OXM review. 360 fanboys don't have an exclusive on being tools.
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monkey602  +   2696d ago
WTF???
there is a word for people like you and Zhuk and its HYPOCRITE yeah you complain about supposed fanboys when look what you have both resorted to here, pathetic wastes of comments *tut tut
xaphanze  +   2697d ago
DAMN!I can't believe they actually gave it a 6.I mean, just the graphics in Lair will keep it from getting low scores.I've been waiting like ages for it,but aint gonna spend a dime if it sucks.Anyway,i wouldnt care about what EGM has to say,ill just wait for IGN's and some other reliable sites' reviews.
Hooby  +   2697d ago
hmm
The sony fanboys have been completley riding on the fact that their system can accomplish better graphics. You play a game to play a game, not look good. Reviews that rate gameplay over graphics are in the right, graphics don't mean a thing when gameplay stinks. Stop ripping on Halo 3s graphics (not you specifically but sony fanboys in general) when clearly, graphics have done nothing great for the ps3 yet
Captain Tuttle  +   2696d ago
Perfect post Hooby...
When will people realize that graphics can only carry a game so far? It has to be fun. Deuce Bigalow is still a terrible movie when you see it on your 60" Sony LCD in Blu-Ray.
Kleptic  +   2697d ago
I kind of agree...I would assume a 6 or lower is a pretty broken game...there is no doubt the game looks good, but it must have really frustrated the reviewer...

I probably am going to buy this game no matter what...it looks great, and if the controls are anything like Warhawk's, after a little bit of time...they become second nature...so if it is getting bad reviews because of the forced motion controls alone...that is something I can quickly get over most likely...
genix13  +   2697d ago
I can picture people playing this for extended periods of time will have bodybuilder arms from waving the controller around :p lol
Jdash24  +   2697d ago
its a good thing i dont care what egm thinks at all, but its most likely the sixaxis controls that they had a beef with, doesnt mean the games not going to be good, but they should have made those controls optional like they did in motorstorm, but im still going to get this game
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Circa24  +   2697d ago
Agreed, should have been optional. Default: On; at the most.

That'd be cool if they made an update available through the PSN to optionally enable the sticks. I'd imagine if the community asked for it enough, and if sales were disappointing, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible.

Just look what happened with Bioshock.
Charlie2688  +   2697d ago
So I guess this makes the Blue Dragon review true too?

Anyway LAIR has gotten good reviews from other places so there is no need to get desperate
PS360PCROCKS  +   2697d ago
Yeah but the weird thing is that was the only bad Blue Dragon review I have seen. Maybe their is a trend and EGM is just retarded, hopefully!
Captain Tuttle  +   2696d ago
Yep...
Seems as if Blue Dragon's a stinker too. Oh well.
PS360PCROCKS  +   2697d ago
:'( I was really anticipating this! I will wait to see what IGN says. But still, darnit darnit darnit!!!
hotshot1237  +   2697d ago
isnt this the same people that gave BLUE DRAGON a low score
yea. xbox fanboys, i thought blue dragon was such a hot game
ParaDise_LosT  +   2697d ago
yes, but
BD didn't get as much hype as Lair....
So It didn't have that high a fall as Lair got
+blue Dragon got the better review.

Your Fanboy attack has failed I suggest you aim for our weak spot to cause massive damage...
i Shank u  +   2697d ago
i think any xbox fanboy that names blue dragon just does it because its a AAA title. maybe im wrong but i know im not looking foward to it. anyways, this is what people that were pumping LAIR up deserve though, I see crap all over N4G saying "screw gaylo 3 Lair is going to own it!", people forgetting you cant judge it til you played it! i was looking foward to getting lair when i get a PS3, if reviews are like this will probably rent it first then. it still could be a really good game, EGM is a tough crowd tho and id trust them over the other review from that little known website.

LOL @ above. EGM ATTACKS Lair for MASSIVE DAMAGE

EDIT- I meant that this is what people who were pumping Lair up get, for whoever disbelieves that the game might not be all that great
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cuco33  +   2697d ago
i don't know about you...
but i can't stand turn based rpg's (or rpg's in general) at all! i could care less if blue dragon had bad ratings but all i've heard from many forums is 'wait until lair comes out', 'lair is going to be the greatness, it'll show you xbots what a real game is like'... and it seems like you'll have to wait until lair 2 to enjoy a dragon based game... i for one never saw anything appealing or fun with this game. all i thought was reptitive button mashing with wii style controls.. sure it may look the part, but does it play it and is it an enjoyable experience? at least i know my free wiisports title and its "gimmicky dildo controller" will suit more enjoyment and get more game time than your high def dragon title that WAS supposed to be the greatness.. this is bad news for the sony camp... even though i had my doubts i was hoping i would be wrong with this title... guess not
Kleptic  +   2697d ago
@above...

I never noticed the game being hyped on anything but visuals and sound...and regardless of this review, it still achieved both of those...we have seen and heard plenty of the gameplay footage to know that it is an extremely good looking game...and a technical feat at that...

but, I and a lot of others, were always on the fence about its gameplay...we knew it used motion control...and that it had some really bizarre mid air dragon fighting mini-games...but the little bit of this review also points towards confusing level design...which is what I did read from a another site...that there are times where you don't have enough information to know what to do next...in a game with environments as big as Lair, that is probably extremely annoying...

hopefully the game is better than this review would imply...I don't agree with a lot of reviews unless there are extremely obvious problems with the game...I liked Motorstorm way way more than a mid 7 review would make you think...and liked R6 Vegas way less than a solid 9...I can already tell that there are parts of Lair that I will love...but this review makes me think that there could be some bigger problems than I thought...
s8anicslayer  +   2697d ago
agreed
wait till the game comes out and judge for yourselves instead of basing a mediocre review on a mag who could be pissed off sony pulled some advertising from them. damn you fanboys!
rbanke  +   2697d ago
Still want to try it
This is a game I've been wanting for quite a while so I will definitly be trying it out myself. But as far as the ratings go, Anyone who is honest about the world of entertainment be it a movie or a game should know that regardless of visual quality or ammount of money put into a game or movie, that does not guarantee something entertaining.

On the other hand, there are allways movies and games reviewers say suck, but people love. Again, I hope its fun for me because I've been looking forrward to it, but as with any game the chance for it to not be great is just as likley.
tomfoolery  +   2697d ago
Hey 360 fans,(including myself).
No need for us to be in here flamin.I know Sony guys do it us,but does
it make it right if we do it too?It is a ps3 post,keep in mind.
A kind word goes a long way.
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UJUSTLOSTONE  +   2697d ago
Wow, Bubbles for YOU sir !
I'm sorry, but I don't go Xbox threads and troll AT all

And it sucks to know that their are people, like the Xbox fanboys on this site, that go to other sites and try to make sure they ruin things for others.

But you sir, at least have some sense and can carry yourself accordingly. It's a rare thing.

Props
man

Props
tomfoolery  +   2697d ago
UJUSTLOSTONE,
DITTO!
Bubble right back to you bud.
ngg12345  +   2697d ago
Glad someone here is mature
Glad some people are very mature on this board. I for one hate this 'console war' more then most people on this board. It really annoys me to ignore as many people as I have to ignore. Gave you positive feedback for this comment.
Violater  +   2697d ago
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Day one buy,
Nuff Said.
Hatchetforce  +   2697d ago
EGM is out on a huge limb here. They did not have the final build of the game for the review and the devs had stated there were changes. If the fans love it and it sells well with good player comments (from real owners not Xboxers hoping for a torpedo shot) then EGM is going to have serious egg on their faces.

I for one am an EGM subscriber AND I have Lair paid off. No way I am changing my mind for a critic. When was the last time you avoided a movie because of something Roger Ebert said?

Here is what IGN UK stated:

As we've reported previously, the SIXAXIS copes easily with dogfights in open areas, but negotiating the confined chasms without being spotted is a much tougher test of the controller's precision. Thankfully it feels responsive without being twitchy and with a little practice - we're talking less than a few minutes - gliding past the spotlights becomes second nature. The task is made considerably easier by your dragon's ability to hover, enabling you to wait for the spotlight to pass before swooping under. It can dash too, so if you accidentally stray into the light - at which point the Mokai hammer your winged beast with fireballs - you can quickly escape back into the safety of the darkness.
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xaphanze  +   2697d ago
IGN played an almost final build of the game and loved it.They loved the controls and how the six axis played.I'm pretty much expecting a good Review from IGN based on their previews.I dont know where the hell they got those scores from.
ALIEN  +   2697d ago
WELL!
I will wait till the game comes out. i will not believe some megazine that i don't even know. I will wait for IGN, gamespot, gameinformer, n the demo before say something stupid or ignorant.
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tehcellownu  +   2697d ago
Same here i rather read reviews from magazine that i know about and egm reviews isnt to good...Gameinformer and ign now that what i trust and want to hear the reviews from right now..
nix  +   2697d ago
pssst...
skip the gamespot. you know why. q:
ThisIsWaiting  +   2697d ago
man that just kinda ... sucks
I have PS3 (and yes a 360 since it launched)

Im waiting for the GAMES! Ive played more GoW2 on my PS3 then any other game MADE for the PS3.

christ ... I was hoping this one would deliver, but 6's ... and 5's? This is a rental for sure now.

*Maybe* Heavenly Sword will deliver. The demo was good.
Charlie2688  +   2697d ago
Don't tell me you are one of those persons that is easily influenced by reviews...by 1 single review as a matter of fact...even worse by the same mag that gave Blue Dragon a crappy score too...to the point you say you wont buy this game anymore without even waiting for more reviews, demo or even more...MAKING YOU OWN MIND

I guess for the people that promote not judging games by its reviews and actually playing it you are the opposite

I still cant believe someone will make up his minds that a game wont deliver without any sort of interaction with it

the gaming community is truly going downhill >.>
ShiftyLookingCow  +   2697d ago
I really wanted to fly dragons, but with so many games coming I am going to skip this for now, since I totally suck at sixaxis(I tried it in Motorstorm, which by the way was a blast to play)
FordGTGuy  +   2697d ago
WTF?
I might be Xbox biased but just because the game is a 5-7 out of 10 in no way means the game is terrible.

1-3(terrible)
3-5(alright)
5-8(good)
8-9(very good)
9-10(great)

I would still put this in as a good game and depending on opinion of the player it could be very good.

@ThisIsWaiting

Game ratings from site to site vary as much as shoe size varies from shoe brand to shoe brand. I just don't like the if a game is not a 7 then its not worth being a game.
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ThisIsWaiting  +   2697d ago
Ive never played a 'good' game ...
that got a rating of 5-anything from that mag lol

some 7's sure ... but 5 & 6 ... nope.

I'll rent it from GameFly, if I like it I'll buy it.
BIadestarX  +   2697d ago
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I am glad I didnt have my hopes too high about this game... there is always a big risk when it comes to games like this.
Bathyj  +   2697d ago
Bladestar, dont give up on Lair too easily. Wait til you've found out for yourself. If you're so influenced by reviews I'll make Lair a title to look forward to again by giving this REVIEW a score of 2 out of 10.

There, everyone should know now its rubbish and to be avoided. I dont know what EGM's story is cos I stopped reading them about 5 years ago but I dont believe Factor 5 are capable of making a game worth only 6. The game looks different, gorgeous and best of all fun.

Just my opinion, and I'm still getting this day 1.
Wile  +   2697d ago
I'll wait...
I'll wait for more reviews before I resign Lair to my disappointment pile. Metacritic.com is a good site for that.
hotshot1237  +   2697d ago
MORal paradox. haha. u talk like ur from yugioh. thats why i cant even get mad at ur comment
cuz u really got me laughin right now. but anyway. nobody hyped up lair that much. if u notice, that was one of the only games that ps3 fans were always skeptical about. so get ur facts straight yugioh boy.lol everybody go read his comment. doesnt that sound like somethin off of pokemon or dbz.lol
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Robotz Rule  +   2697d ago
@bladestar
Why do you care?

You don't even own a PS3.

I'm still getting Lair no matter what.

@FordGTGuy

+Bubble+ for you.
BIadestarX  +   2697d ago
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But I am planning to get one... as soon as the 1st AAA game worth speding $500 game comes out... anything wrong with that? I don't think so... I am waiting for Warhawk, Metal Gear, (No longer Lair), Final Fantasy.... You see... I am not a Sony fanboy... I need that one game that makes me... want to buy the console... the other day I went to Gamestop to buy a PS3... and the guy there(Friend of mine) ask me... so... what are you going to play once you get it... I was like... errr... He said.. he owned one... and it's just not worth buying for the games available at this moment... So, after hearing all the RROD.. I simply decided to spend that money on an elite... now I have 2 xbox 360... RROD got nothing on me.

Nothing wrong on waiting... This happened 2-3 days before the price drop... I am so glad I didnt buy it... I would hate myself knowing that I spent $100 more for something I will not be using...

PS3 is a great machine... but the Games available do not apeal to me as to make me drop $500... Obviously it does to you... well.. that's great... To me.. I will wait... until warhawk at least...

I understand if I didnt own an xbox 360 (or 2)... but I have lots of games to play... So, I care... cause I really want the PS3 to have a game to make want to go and buy it... but I'm not the kind of person like buying things I am not going to be using...
hotshot1237  +   2697d ago
i dont need 2 hear u to know u been watchin alittle too much yugioh. go look at ur comment and tell me
that u dont. who says "Your Fanboy attack has failed I suggest you aim for our weak spot to cause massive damage... "

lol anybody that words stuff like that has 2 be a SERIOUS yugioh fan 2 talk like that. who the hell says to cause MASSIVE DAMAGE. lol

whoooaaa. some serious words there yugioh boy.lol
That was clearly a parody of E3 06's Sony presentation of Genji...
For a Sony Fanboy you really don't know crap about your own system don't you......
yea and ummm hmmm. i wonder what me knowing about my system has 2 do with u sounding like someone off a pokemon. so whos the dumbass.........oh wait...... YOU

this is one of the funnies comments i saw next to pokemon boy. except this one i actually like
Grab your sheild because here I come with the fire from a Dragon!!!!

1st off XBOX 360 SUCK PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I Own one (It is my third in 2 years)

Secondly PS3 Owners are not desperate for a Triple AAA Game, we already have plenty here are just a couple to smack you in the FACE

Motorstorm
Resistance
Ninja Gaiden Sigma

I hate the XBOX 360 because it looks cheap inside my cabinet

I hate the XBOX 360 because it breaks down every other season

I hate the XBOX 360 because it only has a DVD-9 format (Old Gen)

I hate the XBOX 360 because it only has 2 QUALITY 1st party Games
(Gears Of War, Halo 3) And they both are shooters

I hate the XBOX 360 because games like crackdown are crap

I hate the XBOX 360 because the online content is limited to only the 360 that you own (Which Sucks Donkey Balls)

I hate the XBOX 360 because my Blade keeps getting stuck on my screen

I hate the XBOX 360 because the cheap wireless adaptor that i bought for $100.00 wont connect until I call tech support

I hate the XBOX 360 because it cost $400.00 and i can't even surf the web

I hate the XBOX 360 because HALO 3 is just HALO 2 in High Definition

I hate the XBOX 360 because it's louder than my GS400 Engine

I hate the XBOX 360 because games like Lair, Heavenly Sword & Drakes Fortune couldnt be done on the system

I hate the XBOX 360 because I have to pay $60.00 a year to play online, on top of paying $60.00 for the game

I hate the XBOX 360 because the 3 core processor sucks

I hate the XBOX 360 because the graphic card sucks

I hate the XBOX 360 because it cant sell in Japan which means less Japanese support

I hate the XBOX 360 because theres a new spokesperson every year

I hate the XBOX 360 because theres a HUGE power brick sticking outside my pretty entertainment stand

I hate the XBOX 360 because they steal exclusives from GREAT platforms only to make a generic crap game that will play on all consoles

I hate the XBOX 360 because VIVA PINATA get better reviews than Lair (Video Game Industry Has Turned into Politics)

I hate the XBOX 360 because it caused the Movie Format War to exsist (HD-DVD)

I hate the XBOX 360 because it was a system that was never made to push technology just a system made to push your pockets!!!!!!!!

************Blowing off the smoke of my dragon's mouth****************

Now take that you STUPID DUMB RETARDED XBOTS!!!!!!!!!

"Grab's the Blu-Ray Shield"

LET THE FAME WARS BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bubbles 4 u my friend.lol
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ParaDise_LosT  +   2697d ago
Excuse me...but
Are you mentaly ill?We're you made through Inbreeding?

"Your Fanboy attack has failed I suggest you aim for our weak spot to cause massive damage... "

That was clearly a parody of E3 06's Sony presentation of Genji...
For a Sony Fanboy you really don't know crap about your own system don't you......

Thanks for making your self look like a dumbass...well anyway.. I'm not wasting anymore bubbles for you so I'll leave you with that
WIIIS1  +   2697d ago
Who the hell says massive damage indeed. I hope you know who you're laughing at.
sjappie  +   2696d ago
Giant enemy crab!
Don't worry Moralparadox, I know exactly what you mean lol. Sony fanboys have banned this part of ps3 history out of their memories.
nobizlikesnowbiz  +   2696d ago
what a giagantic douchebag...
i hope you slip and break your face, but i doubt it will since its so far up your ass
bung tickler  +   2696d ago
@hotshot1237
viva pinata IS a good game, i wont say better cuz i havent played lair, but i do know you are a douch.
The Karate Kid  +   2697d ago
Consider This A Fanboy Attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grab your sheild because here I come with the fire from a Dragon!!!!

1st off XBOX 360 SUCK PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I Own one (It is my third in 2 years)

Secondly PS3 Owners are not desperate for a Triple AAA Game, we already have plenty here are just a couple to smack you in the FACE

Motorstorm
Resistance
Ninja Gaiden Sigma

I hate the XBOX 360 because it looks cheap inside my cabinet

I hate the XBOX 360 because it breaks down every other season

I hate the XBOX 360 because it only has a DVD-9 format (Old Gen)

I hate the XBOX 360 because it only has 2 QUALITY 1st party Games
(Gears Of War, Halo 3) And they both are shooters

I hate the XBOX 360 because games like crackdown are crap

I hate the XBOX 360 because the online content is limited to only the 360 that you own (Which Sucks Donkey Balls)

I hate the XBOX 360 because my Blade keeps getting stuck on my screen

I hate the XBOX 360 because the cheap wireless adaptor that i bought for $100.00 wont connect until I call tech support

I hate the XBOX 360 because it cost $400.00 and i can't even surf the web

I hate the XBOX 360 because HALO 3 is just HALO 2 in High Definition

I hate the XBOX 360 because it's louder than my GS400 Engine

I hate the XBOX 360 because games like Lair, Heavenly Sword & Drakes Fortune couldnt be done on the system

I hate the XBOX 360 because I have to pay $60.00 a year to play online, on top of paying $60.00 for the game

I hate the XBOX 360 because the 3 core processor sucks

I hate the XBOX 360 because the graphic card sucks

I hate the XBOX 360 because it cant sell in Japan which means less Japanese support

I hate the XBOX 360 because theres a new spokesperson every year

I hate the XBOX 360 because theres a HUGE power brick sticking outside my pretty entertainment stand

I hate the XBOX 360 because they steal exclusives from GREAT platforms only to make a generic crap game that will play on all consoles

I hate the XBOX 360 because VIVA PINATA get better reviews than Lair (Video Game Industry Has Turned into Politics)

I hate the XBOX 360 because it caused the Movie Format War to exsist (HD-DVD)

I hate the XBOX 360 because it was a system that was never made to push technology just a system made to push your pockets!!!!!!!!

************Blowing off the smoke of my dragon's mouth****************

Now take that you STUPID DUMB RETARDED XBOTS!!!!!!!!!

"Grab's the Blu-Ray Shield"

LET THE FAME WARS BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jdash24  +   2697d ago
how did a simple magazine falsly and unfairly reviewing a game because they cant work a controller become another battle of the fanboys, i have to agree with you at some parts thou, like the constant overcharging, faulty machines, giant powerbrick, and stealing great ps3 exclusives, but gotta disagree about crackdown, online co op of that game is really fun, me and my friend always play rocket dodge, but i hate how they charge you for extra content for a game you paid full price for
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Funky Town_TX  +   2697d ago
Then you hate yourself
most of what you listed are things that you knew about coming in. It looks as if you made an educated decision on your purchase. Now if you purchased a 360 without knowing things then cool, but you did not. The fact that I'm replying to you makes me hate myself also. Why did people even purchase a gimped PS2 once bothered me. I now know it was because of the games.
ASSASSYN 36o  +   2697d ago
Hater!
Wile  +   2696d ago
WOW
look at all the agrees on this fanboy banter, revealing to say the least.
Edwin1989  +   2691d ago
hmm
though I'm pro-sony too, most of your "I Hate Xbox 360" lines are very childish

on the other hand, there are some statements that are true ;)
Panthers  +   2697d ago
This is from someone who played it at comiccon.

Hey guys,

I just skimmed the ginormous thread about some magazine giving Lair some pretty low scores.

Before I go any further, I'd like to give you some advice: for God's sake take it easy. Do guys realize you are being riled up over a game? The more fanatic of you remind me of some the fanboyism that plagued the Comic-con this year.

Please don't forget why we are playing games in the first place: to provide a temporary escape from our otherwise hectic/senseless/painful lives. If you want to fight over this as if you were fighting over religion, then you've got the wrong hobby.

Now:

I finally got the chance to give Lair a good 20 minutes of play time at the Comic-con. Quite frankly, "disappointed" is the very last term I'd use to describe my feelings towards Lair. In fact, it's more along the lines of "I can't wait for August 14th to come around".

First, what seems to matter to you the most; the controls. Let me be honest: most first-time Lair players will NOT get a grip with the controls from the get-go. This is why Factor 5 have assembled a series of practice tutorials that you can use to hone you're dragon-flying skills. These tutorials include basic/advanced flight maneuvers, and basic/advanced combat techniques. It is IMPERATIVE that you pass all of these tutorials before you play the game and end up *****ing about the controls.

Once I was done with all the tutorials, I was given a choice of levels to choose from over a map. Factor 5 seemed to use disjointed Arabic letters for the map locations, apparently to give it a sense of mysticism. For an Arabic speaker like myself, I found it to be both silly and a bit of an honor. Moving on...

The level I chose was the now infamous bridge level.

Visuals: Once the level booted up, the production levels behind the game just hit me in the face like a train. Intricately designed bridges, massive armies, huge sense of scope, majestic looking water, and of course: your own dragon, which itself is a spectacle in in-game animation. When you you witness all of these things on your screen at once, prepare for a change of underwear. On the demo I played, there were STILL issues with the framerate, especially when you get close to the bridge for landing amongst the army. I asked the Sony rep if the final game will have any framerate problems. He said: "Probably not, because Factor 5 finished the game a few days ago." Things to note: high-polygon beasties, beautiful water effects, and the best in-game dragon animations ever. To say that this game is eye-candy is an understatement.
Mid-air controls: smooth and easy as pie (bare in mind that I spent some time with the tutorials to get the hang of things). Between level objectives, there is nothing more satisfying than swooping around the bridge and shooting down a few dragons and engaging in mid-air combat. The sock-puppetry of the mid-air fights are gone, and now your dragon transitions smoothly from one well placed claw-swipe to a streaming breath of fire. Needless to say, these scenes are some of the coolest in the game.

Ground controls: Not as easy, but not a complete disaster either. You have the choice of swiping te enemy with your claws, shooting fire, or stomping the ground. The biggest problem here was the camera, where it almost always gives you a fine view of your dragon's arse. This definitely doesn't help if you have soldiers throwing harpoons at you from behind, or if you have a giant rhino charging in to ram you. I wasn't aware if this problem will be remedied by the game's release, or if there were any camera controls to try and improve the situation.

A couple more minutes later and I was done, desperately hungry for more.

Now, with all due respect to some reviewers out there, what I played was (IMHO) NOT average gaming material. The visuals don't allow it, its production values don't allow it, the gameplay doesn't allow it. All this said, one man's trash can always be another man's treasure, so my advice to you is to wait for the demo, download it, play it, be floored, then frantically run for your nearest game store to secure yourself a copy of what is sure to be one of the most memorable gaming experiences on the PS3 this year.
Bathyj  +   2697d ago
Beautiful testimony and a pleasure to read.

You've pretty much confirmed for me what I've long suspected, that this game might be the first true next gen experience yet. I'm reminded of the play review that said (maybe not word for word) If you dont feel anything flying over the ocean at night while listening to the orchestral score, then you're dead inside.

On a side note, I think its a bit sad that everyones so cynical to believe the worst on this game, when everything we've seen on it looks brilliant, all on the say so of a douche named Chrispin.

Bubbles for ya.
Captain Tuttle  +   2696d ago
I don't know man...
A bad camera is a game killer. Few things are more frustrating.
codeazrael  +   2696d ago
I'm an Xboxer all the way, but.....
I'm always considering adding a ps3 to my collection, but will wait till holiday season or later. Unfortunately, Sony is in a position to where they feel as if they have to prove that PS3 graphics can surpass the Xbox's, and when they do that, not only do they put pressure on developers to make a great looking game, but gameplay, storyline and everything else that matters is truly secondary. I never expected this game to be a killer app, because Panzer Dragoon NEVER was, and it by far has a better track record. But what is going to hurt Sony is consistently putting pressure on these devs to hurry up and finish with games at the expense of other important aspects such as gameplay, storyline, and in some cases still, graphics. And if Killzone 2 doesnt deliver in terms of other departments other than graphics, considering the amount of money Sony is pouring into that game and if it only get a mediocre score, then what is the point? Anybody remember Advent Rising? The framerate was so horrible that you wanted to throw it out the window, yet you didnt because the storyline was so well written, the music was phenomonal, and the game was just engaging. So, what we should all expect with these next gen systems are games that have an even spread of good graphics, storyline, gameplay instead of just one, which stellar graphics would initially attract early adopters to a game, but when the word is out on other key aspects that dont deliver, then that game is bound for the bargain bin. What Sony needs is a good quality assurance guy like the guy Microsoft has, Shane Kim. It's not a coincidence that games for the 360 are mostly good games with all key aspects doing good. But like I said before, Sony is out to prove that the ps3 can outshine the 360 in terms of graphics, and they think that will sell more systems, which it may, but can any of us honestly say that with either system at the end of their life cycle, that one's graphics are going to far exceed the capabilities of the other system? I don't think so. Plus, since when has superior graphics won a console war for anybody? PS2 clowned the Xbox even though the Xbox was a beast compared to the ps2, but now for some reason we've forgot about the lessons learned from the console war that just ended? And the crazy thing is that it is Sony gamers that are now claiming that a superior system is enough to win a console war. And btw, the ps2 is best selling video game console of all time, yet its capabilities were far less than its competitor. Hell, the NEO GEO was basically a f*ckin arcade system for you home, yet it tanked to much more inferior equipment. So back to Lair, yes it looks good, but if it was rushed, then what is the point? Personally, I hope this is just one score gone awray, but normally when IGN, game informer, and especially the INDEPENDANT playstation magazine comes out, we will have a better idea about the game, especially with those independant playstation magazine guys, those guys are extremely cool, and pretty honest. If Lair does turn out to be a dud, at least you guys in your first year out in all fairness have had alot more games out than we had in our first year, even if most are multiplatform.
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ZombiesNJ  +   2696d ago
My rant
What I like about lair is that it's a different type of game. Yes i know dragon games have been done before, but I think using the sixaxis is a good idea for this game. I do however think they should have made it an option considering that's what brought down the EGM review. I really do think people should give this game a chance to see if the gameplay backs up the incredible graphics. Also, I really think that most people should read reviews from as many sites/magazines as possible before making a purchase so that you can get a general consensus of what the game will really be like. If all reviews are bad, obviously it's bad. In this case I really think Lair might be a great game if people really did give it a chance. It seems that the other reviews were pretty good, so this EGM review might just be the one bad one. I am going to wait and see and I suggest everyone do the same before making any judgements on this game. Another good thing to do is to rent the game and see if you can really get a feel for the sixaxis controls. I look for truely innovative games and I know that this isn't the most innovative, but it certainly is different then most game out there right now. Also, I think little big planet, echocrome, flow, viva pinata, and lost planet are truely creative games that gamers should check out. I can't understand why people don't have the patience to learn or diversify their gaming tastes. It's like drinking the same beer everytime you go out or eating the same thing for dinner every night. I wish more gamers would be open to different types of games.

On another note...I wish fanboys of both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 would just relax and appreciate the great games on both systems. If you can afford both systems, great, if not, pick one that you will enjoy using the most and worse comes to worse, trade it in for the other one! I really don't care which one you like better, all I know is that YOU play on whatever system makes YOU happy. Both systems have their exclusive titles and both share some of the same titles as well. Just stop arguing about which is better then the other, it's just not necessary.
ZombiesNJ  +   2696d ago
My Rant...
What I like about lair is that it's a different type of game. Yes i know dragon games have been done before, but I think using the sixaxis is a good idea for this game. I do however think they should have made it an option considering that's what brought down the EGM review. I really do think people should give this game a chance to see if the gameplay backs up the incredible graphics. Also, I really think that most people should read reviews from as many sites/magazines as possible before making a purchase so that you can get a general consensus of what the game will really be like. If all reviews are bad, obviously it's bad. In this case I really think Lair might be a great game if people really did give it a chance. It seems that the other reviews were pretty good, so this EGM review might just be the one bad one. I am going to wait and see and I suggest everyone do the same before making any judgements on this game. Another good thing to do is to rent the game and see if you can really get a feel for the sixaxis controls. I look for truely innovative games and I know that this isn't the most innovative, but it certainly is different then most game out there right now. Also, I think little big planet, echocrome, flow, viva pinata, and lost planet are truely creative games that gamers should check out. I can't understand why people don't have the patience to learn or diversify their gaming tastes. It's like drinking the same beer everytime you go out or eating the same thing for dinner every night. I wish more gamers would be open to different types of games.

On another note...I wish fanboys of both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 would just relax and appreciate the great games on both systems. If you can afford both systems, great, if not, pick one that you will enjoy using the most and worse comes to worse, trade it in for the other one! I really don't care which one you like better, all I know is that YOU play on whatever system makes YOU happy. Both systems have their exclusive titles and both share some of the same titles as well. Just stop arguing about which is better then the other, it's just not necessary.
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