The rumor of low ratings from the gaming magazine EGM of the Playstation 3 game Lair are in fact true, and there is a scan of the review to prove it.
and if I remember right Gamepro gave it 3.75/5, the main problem is the six axis controls according to these reviews, not that they are broken but its hard to play with hands moving the whole game which is long. @Lord Anubis, I think I found it in neogaf link from the original rumor, let me try to get the exact link http://www.neogaf.com/forum... It doesn't look like fake but I guess its still rumor, since there is no magazine photo
would you happen to have a link. I have not read the gamepro review. Well, I haven't read any lair review to be honest. To be fair. They played an old build. I wouldn't consider it a review but rather a preview.
Regardless i think Lair will still sell good..and its only one review..and gamepro gave it decent score..its not all that bad..Everyone talkin about Lair..its like i go to every message board i see thread on lair that like freaken 15 pages long..lol..and people still want to buy this game..
http://www.computerandvideo... I know old link, but worth reading again.
and Play gave Lair a 9/10. I'm not to big on reviews in general and never base a decision about buying a game on them. But EGM has always been awful imho. They have deaf, dumb, blind, anal monkeys reviewing games and they never give credit where it's truly due... So this is certainly no surprise to me...
who cares about that GAYGM scores. OTHERS read the GAMEPRO review. NOTE:- GAMEPRO has reviewed an "EARLY BUILD" the website would be reviewing the LATEST BUILD completed on JULY 25,2007
who would thought that one little magazine review would cause sure a stir
ya i can't seem to find gamepros. It looks like Lair is going to be a game that will appeal to people who like this type of game, but not to the masses, which was the vibe i was getting before this.
let's not say anything about it until the issue is out!
this is what i have to say, scratch deez nuts
When the mag comes out, what will your excuse be then?
for anyone that would take the time to make this up using something like Photoshop, just to get a few internet blog rooms chattering.
But I get the Mag free even though I have not subscribed in years. Their credability is so poor that they have to give away the mag for people to read it. They dumped on BLue Dragon too and Nothing has been said negative about this game to this point. EGM: Excessive Gaming Misinformation.
well i wanna start using six axis controls. Played warhawk but didnt use six axis. I really think this sort of thing adds to the gameplay. They could have probably made 6 axis support optional but hey am glad they didnt
The only good games with dragons will always be the Panzer Dragoon series (remake please!), Lair never had a chance of being a classic and it was way overhyped by the PS3 community because they have a lack of quality AAA titles coming out.
First off you haven't played the game, I'll wait til the game comes out to judge for myself, as for the six axis control I think that sony is heading in the right direction, it would be nice to control the dragon with the six axis and the rider with the dual sticks...This is the kind of games I like...If this editor gave it 6 because he didn't like the six axis control, this would be the stupidest reveiw ever First off this from one game magazine and other game sites have given it a 9/10....I'll read their reveiw because I like to know what was wrong with it, just like I want to know when a game gets a 9 and what experiance they had with the game...I like 3rd person action/adventure games and would rate them higher than FPS, and the same could go from someone who like FPS more, so I want to read their valid points and I hope it's not some control preference because that wouldn't be fair to the developer for puting his veiws on a game, rather than copying the same control schemes from previous games.
lol sixaxis is a gimmick it'll never make for a great game, its awesome in principle but in practice its shortcomings are quite apparent. You might like this game but if it got a 6 this game is a terrible disappointment and wont ever be a classic dragon game like the Panzer Dragoon series.
"because they have a lack of quality AAA titles coming out" Heavenly Sword, Rachet and Clank Future, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid 4 4 till the end of the year if you don't wanna count third party games, exclusive or not. With it has Assassin's Creed, GTA4, Unreal Tourney, and Haze. So please, quiet your ignorant mouth. From the looks of it this game is still solid, the controls are just hard to get a handle on.
You have to admit that Lair has been hyped like crazy. Zhuk's original point is completely valid. Sometimes it can be hard for a game to live up to all the press.
oh come on your pic even says fan boy- im not saying lair is good or bad, who cares if it got low scores its what people like that matters, but you just dump on lair for being a bad dragon game but not once mention that blue dragon looks even worse
lol people thought the low review scores was fake?
people rather would believe their own personal bias than the facts before them. That's why they chose to believe it was a lie because they wanted the game to be really good but in reality it looks like its gonna disappoint.
stop be bias and narking a game you havent even gotten your hands on, it just sounds like your being a fanboy trying to take down a possibly great game on ps3 and you just dont want that to happen i can do it too, mass effect and lost oddesy look like crappy games that are completely going to tank they just look horrible to me, and because i think like this, everyone must think like this, see i can do it too, wait til the actual game comes out then see if its any good, at least wait to see if theirs a demo
The reason I thought they were fake was because it got low scores in graphics which is suprising because everyone that has played the game said for the least the graphics were amazing
The magazine scan clearly says that the graphics are good. Look for yourself.
Dragon117 you are telling him to stop being bias about a game he has never played yet you are saying the game will rock and you have never played it! He has a negative bias and you have a positive bias. From where I am sitting you are just as guilty as he is but you are also a being a fanboy hypocrite. What does mass effect have to do with it? What does the 360 have to do with this game getting panned in reviews? I want the game to be a perfect 10 like it was hyped up to be but its not. I will buy it day 1 but even if it rocks I will be let down simply based on the crazy amount of hype the game has gotten. I built myself up to think the game was perfect and it isn't.
Cell phone scans are no replacement for the real thing. This week, Electronic Gaming Monthly subscribers started receiving the latest issue, which, as you already know... 07/27/2007 http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...
Edge magazine (the harshest magazine in videogame reviews) gave it a 9, which they gave a 6 to r6v, a 7 to rfom, and a 8 to gears of war. It loosk like this game has an appeal to some gamers, and to others have no appeal at all.l
Sounds about right
hmm interesting, can you give a link? Looks like Lair is love or hate game.
Did Edge really give this a 9? I am more worried about Mass Effects reviews myself.
This is a blow to Sony, who was counting on this as a hit. But I've liked some games with low scores before, hopefully they will release a demo so we can judge for ourselves.
I have to agree there's strangely an appeal in games of low or mediocre quality. Many people played Motorstorm for crying out loud. HS looks to be another game that won't excel but many people will play it anyway. I must say Sony is catering to a niche market.
Killzone and the later Socoms got mediocre reviews but people still love those. To be Honest I prefer the niche games over casual games myself.
Heavenly Sword won't excel huh? Make sure to check your PMs next month when it comes out, I'll be sending you an "I told you so" message when it gets 9+ out of 10 all over the board.
Sorry, that'll be Ratchet and Clank and Little Big Planet getting scores in the region of 9+, not HS and not Lair.
agree with all you guys...I love Motorstorm...one of the best arcade offroad racing games I have ever played...and its reviews would never reflect that...same with F1 '06...although I am a biased F1 fan...so I won't even bring that up... and I bought R6 Vegas (luckily rented the Darkness) because of extremely good reviews and lots of recommendations from 360 owners who had played it...and was extremely unimpressed...visually its pretty good...and the gameplay is fun...but, although very different, its online organization and other misc. stuff is horrid compared to Resistance...which magically scored less than Vegas...same with the Darkness...certain parts are very good (the voice acting)...and certain parts are horrible (the animation)...and some parts just fall in the mediocre areas (the lighting and overall gameplay)... take any review with a grain of salt...video game reviewers can be way more for or against a certain game even more so than movie critics...the blank/10 scales of all these mags and sites do not correlate with other sites, or other games...at all...
where are all the fanboys wasnt this game supposed to kill the 360 with its awesome graphics and controls oh yea billgates say something smart now
those trolls are predatory they only come out when they can attack others they dont stick around to defend themselves
This is not a 360 game and you haven't even played the game yet and most gaming sites are giving a 9/10....So unless you are a total dumbazz and can't figure out that some games appeal to some people and some don't...take for instance xbox1 sold 25 million units and halo2 only sold 7 million copies that means that 3 times more people didn't care about it, so the score didn't matter at all did it...I hate stupid xbots and I hope I never play with you on live
Why if we have such a small list of titles and Xbox lineup is so great Thes Jerks gotta come onto a Ps3 News thread about a Ps3 Game and talk pure Sh*T Get OUT Plain and simple Go play your box !!!
Condolences are expressed in different ways, some more tactfully than others. Even in your sorrow, you should at least try to take it in the right spirit.
Crapping up a thread? Go over to the Bioshock/OXM review. 360 fanboys don't have an exclusive on being tools.
there is a word for people like you and Zhuk and its HYPOCRITE yeah you complain about supposed fanboys when look what you have both resorted to here, pathetic wastes of comments *tut tut
DAMN!I can't believe they actually gave it a 6.I mean, just the graphics in Lair will keep it from getting low scores.I've been waiting like ages for it,but aint gonna spend a dime if it sucks.Anyway,i wouldnt care about what EGM has to say,ill just wait for IGN's and some other reliable sites' reviews.
The sony fanboys have been completley riding on the fact that their system can accomplish better graphics. You play a game to play a game, not look good. Reviews that rate gameplay over graphics are in the right, graphics don't mean a thing when gameplay stinks. Stop ripping on Halo 3s graphics (not you specifically but sony fanboys in general) when clearly, graphics have done nothing great for the ps3 yet
When will people realize that graphics can only carry a game so far? It has to be fun. Deuce Bigalow is still a terrible movie when you see it on your 60" Sony LCD in Blu-Ray.
I kind of agree...I would assume a 6 or lower is a pretty broken game...there is no doubt the game looks good, but it must have really frustrated the reviewer... I probably am going to buy this game no matter what...it looks great, and if the controls are anything like Warhawk's, after a little bit of time...they become second nature...so if it is getting bad reviews because of the forced motion controls alone...that is something I can quickly get over most likely...
I can picture people playing this for extended periods of time will have bodybuilder arms from waving the controller around :p lol
its a good thing i dont care what egm thinks at all, but its most likely the sixaxis controls that they had a beef with, doesnt mean the games not going to be good, but they should have made those controls optional like they did in motorstorm, but im still going to get this game
Agreed, should have been optional. Default: On; at the most. That'd be cool if they made an update available through the PSN to optionally enable the sticks. I'd imagine if the community asked for it enough, and if sales were disappointing, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. Just look what happened with Bioshock.
So I guess this makes the Blue Dragon review true too? Anyway LAIR has gotten good reviews from other places so there is no need to get desperate
Yeah but the weird thing is that was the only bad Blue Dragon review I have seen. Maybe their is a trend and EGM is just retarded, hopefully!
Seems as if Blue Dragon's a stinker too. Oh well.
:'( I was really anticipating this! I will wait to see what IGN says. But still, darnit darnit darnit!!!
yea. xbox fanboys, i thought blue dragon was such a hot game
BD didn't get as much hype as Lair.... So It didn't have that high a fall as Lair got +blue Dragon got the better review. Your Fanboy attack has failed I suggest you aim for our weak spot to cause massive damage...
i think any xbox fanboy that names blue dragon just does it because its a AAA title. maybe im wrong but i know im not looking foward to it. anyways, this is what people that were pumping LAIR up deserve though, I see crap all over N4G saying "screw gaylo 3 Lair is going to own it!", people forgetting you cant judge it til you played it! i was looking foward to getting lair when i get a PS3, if reviews are like this will probably rent it first then. it still could be a really good game, EGM is a tough crowd tho and id trust them over the other review from that little known website. LOL @ above. EGM ATTACKS Lair for MASSIVE DAMAGE EDIT- I meant that this is what people who were pumping Lair up get, for whoever disbelieves that the game might not be all that great
but i can't stand turn based rpg's (or rpg's in general) at all! i could care less if blue dragon had bad ratings but all i've heard from many forums is 'wait until lair comes out', 'lair is going to be the greatness, it'll show you xbots what a real game is like'... and it seems like you'll have to wait until lair 2 to enjoy a dragon based game... i for one never saw anything appealing or fun with this game. all i thought was reptitive button mashing with wii style controls.. sure it may look the part, but does it play it and is it an enjoyable experience? at least i know my free wiisports title and its "gimmicky dildo controller" will suit more enjoyment and get more game time than your high def dragon title that WAS supposed to be the greatness.. this is bad news for the sony camp... even though i had my doubts i was hoping i would be wrong with this title... guess not
@above... I never noticed the game being hyped on anything but visuals and sound...and regardless of this review, it still achieved both of those...we have seen and heard plenty of the gameplay footage to know that it is an extremely good looking game...and a technical feat at that... but, I and a lot of others, were always on the fence about its gameplay...we knew it used motion control...and that it had some really bizarre mid air dragon fighting mini-games...but the little bit of this review also points towards confusing level design...which is what I did read from a another site...that there are times where you don't have enough information to know what to do next...in a game with environments as big as Lair, that is probably extremely annoying... hopefully the game is better than this review would imply...I don't agree with a lot of reviews unless there are extremely obvious problems with the game...I liked Motorstorm way way more than a mid 7 review would make you think...and liked R6 Vegas way less than a solid 9...I can already tell that there are parts of Lair that I will love...but this review makes me think that there could be some bigger problems than I thought...
wait till the game comes out and judge for yourselves instead of basing a mediocre review on a mag who could be pissed off sony pulled some advertising from them. damn you fanboys!
This is a game I've been wanting for quite a while so I will definitly be trying it out myself. But as far as the ratings go, Anyone who is honest about the world of entertainment be it a movie or a game should know that regardless of visual quality or ammount of money put into a game or movie, that does not guarantee something entertaining. On the other hand, there are allways movies and games reviewers say suck, but people love. Again, I hope its fun for me because I've been looking forrward to it, but as with any game the chance for it to not be great is just as likley.
No need for us to be in here flamin.I know Sony guys do it us,but does it make it right if we do it too?It is a ps3 post,keep in mind. A kind word goes a long way.
I'm sorry, but I don't go Xbox threads and troll AT all And it sucks to know that their are people, like the Xbox fanboys on this site, that go to other sites and try to make sure they ruin things for others. But you sir, at least have some sense and can carry yourself accordingly. It's a rare thing. Props man Props
DITTO! Bubble right back to you bud.
Glad some people are very mature on this board. I for one hate this 'console war' more then most people on this board. It really annoys me to ignore as many people as I have to ignore. Gave you positive feedback for this comment.
Day one buy, Nuff Said.
EGM is out on a huge limb here. They did not have the final build of the game for the review and the devs had stated there were changes. If the fans love it and it sells well with good player comments (from real owners not Xboxers hoping for a torpedo shot) then EGM is going to have serious egg on their faces. I for one am an EGM subscriber AND I have Lair paid off. No way I am changing my mind for a critic. When was the last time you avoided a movie because of something Roger Ebert said? Here is what IGN UK stated: As we've reported previously, the SIXAXIS copes easily with dogfights in open areas, but negotiating the confined chasms without being spotted is a much tougher test of the controller's precision. Thankfully it feels responsive without being twitchy and with a little practice - we're talking less than a few minutes - gliding past the spotlights becomes second nature. The task is made considerably easier by your dragon's ability to hover, enabling you to wait for the spotlight to pass before swooping under. It can dash too, so if you accidentally stray into the light - at which point the Mokai hammer your winged beast with fireballs - you can quickly escape back into the safety of the darkness.
IGN played an almost final build of the game and loved it.They loved the controls and how the six axis played.I'm pretty much expecting a good Review from IGN based on their previews.I dont know where the hell they got those scores from.