Interview with Shane Kim, VP of Microsoft Game Studios, about the possibilities of Metal Gear Solid 4 landing on the Xbox 360, plus Microsoft's plans (if any) for acquiring more game studios.
I mean come on. Will this rumour ever end? MGS4 coming to xbox 360?
It's hard to say. Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance showed up on the Xbox, but Metal Gear Solid 3 never did. After what Kojima said at E3, if we do see MGS4 on the Xbox 360, that'd make him a liar. Either that or something was lost in translation. If anything, it'll be a PS3 timed-exclusive. I'd be VERY surprised to see a simultaneous launch.
he kinda use the question to express that he has alot of confidence in their first party
well i guess we will just have to wait and see, i did like the trailer that was shown at Sonys conference at E3, infact and dont attack me here, but i prob liked it a little bit more then KZ2 trailer, but then i never played KZ1 and have played MGS .... i guess the waiting game begins...
Well he didn't really add any strength to the rumor... this was more of an attempt by gamepro to get ppl to check out their article. All he said is that it makes sense for 3rd parties in general. Lol, too bad Kojima will never do it!
And I LOL'd when he stated their 1st party was better than the competitions'!!!
The fact that MGS2 showed up on the regular Xbox hardly qualifies as a reason for seeing MGS4 on the 360. First there are the words of Kojima concerning what it has taken to build this title. Not just the capacity of a dual layer Bluray disc either although that is a huge factor, but the PS3 hardware itself. Second, and just as important is that fact there was no deal for exclusivity on MGS2, whereas on MGS4 there is one.
This is nothing more than Shane Kim marketing desperation. The 360 dropped 60% in sales this year in this period versus last year. Everyone sees the titles that are starting to mount up for the PS3, they see Bluray, they see hardware that is designed for a longer term, they see software that can use Bluray and a HDD, and they see Bluray itself beginning to pull ahead in the format wars and has for the most part been acknowledged the winner.
All of these factors and a few more are the impetus for gamers, developers, and publishers beginning to look harder at the PS3. Not everyone wants to make Wii tennis. Many want that game that is going to break technological ground and the PS3 with it's ever improving development tools is the place to do just that.
Shane Kim should be ashamed for suggesting something that is a stone's throw from the lie department.
Every major gaming site does it to increase their hits/ratings.
They then can adjust advertisement based on the ratings. Meaning they can raise the price because:
They got 10000 per day, so that 10000 potential "customers" to see an Ad. More hits, more they can charge advertisers.
1up is even worse, they don't go a day without using some kind of stupid flame bait link to attract people to their sites.
Its pretty sad when sites depend on this. The "CONSOLE A VS CONSOLE B" Story is how they hook suckers to see a blog about basically nothing more than an opinion.
This rumor needs to die.. I think all parties involved have basically denied it on every level. I think even if it was ported at a later date nobody would buy it.. All MGS ports that have come out later have flopped.
I also find this comment interesting..
"So it's really up to the first parties to create the content that's going to differentiate the platforms and that's where we think we have the competitive advantage."
What???? If he is talking Halo then fine, but MS your first party is sucking ass! You port all your titles to other platforms and you have shown nothing to rival the first party titles of Sony. You rely on third party exclusive deals (Epic, Bioware, etc) to make your first party games.. I can't remeber the last good Microsoft Game Studios title that didn't look like crap on the 360.
All I can say is SHOW ME! Show me MS your first party advantage. I'd love to see it.
Shane Kim is dillusional...
YOUR SO SAD GIVE IT A BREAK EVERY POST FROM YOU IS A DIG AT MS WHY SO MAD YOU WILL GIVE YOURSELF ULCERS JUST BUY YOURSELF A WII + XBOX360 AND YOU WILL BE A TRUE GAMER OWNING ALL THREE OH YES I CANT FORGET PC THATS BRILL TOO. ARE THERE ANY REAL GAMERS OUT THERE ANYMORE
he is x360 fanboy =)))
and now he is just stating facts. =]
he is fanboy, but not blind. =)
These guys are so hard headed, first Pete moore gets straight to the point about MGS4 not coming to 360, now you have this guy hoping for any possible way for it to come to their system, they just keep forcing poor kojima to hand it over, when hes said many times no, and I think its up to him to decide if it goes over, not Microsoft regardless if they think its a business model for 3rd parties to go multiplatform. I mean whats going to happen when it never does come over, what will his excuse be now? Some people are so greedy these days.
He's just giving dumb people hope for them to hold on to their 360.
We actually have hope, lets look at just this year (360 fans don't have to wait for their games). We've got
Those are just a few of the top of my head that are exclusives. Why in the hell would we need hope of MGS4 coming to the 360 to keep us holding on? It's your hope droid, deal with it.
Oh, I guess every Sony fan/Ps3 owner has DX10 capable video card and Vista, or a strong enough computer to handle those games? I think not. We're making a fuss over it? No not really, it's the sites reporting it saying rumors of it coming, then you droids come in and act all superior like you have the greatest console game coming. It's the websites and magazines hyping it up, getting excited, not the 360 populous.
if he is still working exclusively with Sony then why want to make us hold on to our Xbox 360? ... yeh exactly your just talking sh!t mate!
and also as Icewake said, we have some great titles on the Xbox 360, so why not leave out the childish comments
Losing MGS4 just means I save $60
though I'd love to play MGS4...
I don't see it not going to 360 as
a terrible massive cost...
We have a great lineup for the holidays...
and so does sony....
Well if xbots hadn't been making such a fuss about being able to get MGS4 in the first place then you all wouldn't be taking so much ownage on the subject now anyway.
As for the games, yes, each system is getting some pretty good games. But xbots are the only ones that make posts wishing they could play games from one of the other sytems (namely Sony's) ;-)
But then again, that may be due to the fact that Sony fans CAN play a lot of 360's games... on the pc.
"But xbots are the only ones that make posts wishing they could play games from one of the other sytems (namely Sony's) ;-) "
Funny....I can name dozens of people who want Mass Effect and Halo
(and possibly Project Offset if it becomes an exclusive)
that own PS3....Quit being a troll and open your mind, ignorant fool :(
Sorry but in a way(not the fanboish but the factual one) I agree with hazeblaze ,I am a usual at the GS forums and most PS3 games are flooded with petitions to bring it to the 360...hell even first party titles that have 0 chances to coming to the 360 are flooded with people asking if if ts coming to the 360 and as a 360 user I check my 360 forums and want to deny it or not you hardly find any if non people asking for 360 games to come to the PS3.
I even made a blog about it pointing out with examples how for some reason 360 owners what PS3 game and PS3 owners dont want (or show they want) 360 games
at least this is how it is in my side of the GS river
you are welcomed to look if you like
@Icewake "360 fans don't have to wait for their games" so you and me are doing what with Halo 3, Bioshock, Blue Dragon, Masseffect, Eternal Sonata, Lost odyssey, PGR4, GTA4, UT3? I dont recall those games being out? unless you have some sort of time machine you are doing what the rest of the 360 owners are going W A I T I N G
I would doubt that it's going to the 360 after E3 and Kojima/Sony's follow up comments on the situation. Especially Dille saying that there was an agreement on exclusivity. Kim is just wishful thinking.
The way I see it I know japense peple are very loyal and I see how sony has been with kojima for many years and have respected him, and when he sees that he can work with sony with no problems, but when he sees a company like Microsoft bribing him and what not, I think hes just gonna turn the other cheek cause he knows what a good company is, they would never try and force someone to hand of a title like that, or keep bugging them about it.
to be fair, the article only devoted one question to Kim. Kim just replied that, given the 360's consumer base, it would make sense (wouldn't it?) Not really a rumor, or even speculation. From the headline you would think that the entire article is about MGS 4.
We all know that the possiblity of MGS 4 coming to the 360 is slim, so there's no need to try and prove anything.
I seriously doubt that MSG4 will come to the 360 anytime this year, BUT I am beginning to think that MGO will be a multiplatform game.
well its happened before (MGS2) so i guess we will just have to keep checking n4g.com =D
As I said, it could happen, but I believe that it won't happen anytime soon - there just has been too many comments from whitshisface (Kojima) that he wants it to remain a PS3 title.
But just think, being able to go head to head with your buds with MGO - perhaps even a chance to pwn on multiplatforms?
Now that would be cool, the first PS3/360 online game.
The title for this article is misleading.
if they want to be taken seriously. Sony has already stated that they have made a deal with Konami. A deal that includes MSG4 staying exclusive to the ps3. At this point its digging up a horse that died 5 years ago just to beat him.
I wish they'd just drop the Core system or release games that require a HDD. I mean, a casual gamer might not want to play GTA because it's a long, involving game where you can't beat it in 10 hours.
"So what would you say if Rockstar Games demanded you have a hard drive if you want to play GTAIV on the Xbox 360?
SK: We get to make the call on who gets published on our platform...[inaudible] we'd push back on any publisher saying things like that."
That's quite a bold statement after paying for that exclusive...but I guess also demanding there being a hard drive would be spitting on the 360's core consoles, but who plays their 360 without a HDD??
yeh, the only way i would have brought a core system, is if i could do what can be done on the PS3, so i could have saved the £80 and buy a 100GB to fit in it
You NEED an HD to play games. Its not really an option, unless you just plan on staying up all night. However, you have to regonize that the Core may be MS's only chance at breaking at the mainstream market and, possibly, stealing Wii's thunder (please, please, please). At the very least, they should include a memory stick, so those that buy the system don't have to go out of their way to purchase an HD.
Now its true that the PS 2 (back in the day) didn't include memory, but as of NOW its almost protocal to release an HD w/ any sku. PS 3 does it, and i believe the Wii includes 512 MB. So, the 360 should follow suit and provide SOME memory storage for all SKUs
after reading this, i just puked all over the floor.
On top of Kojima announcing the game publicly that its exclusive to ps3, the fact that it requires a 50gb bluray disc and that it was built from the ground up for the ps3, Kojima showed Snake using a freakin ps3 controller to manuevure the robot in the gameplay video. Kojima has literally done everything to this game that makes it exclusive to ps3 apart from tattooing Snake's forehead with 'PS3 ONLY'. If anything MS is just bigging mgs4 up even more by wanting it so much. Just.let.it.die
i think the interviewer asked some pretty good questions
its over its been confirmed countless times the game stays on playstation and will die on playstation jeez...if kojima makes a new game he might bring it to the 360,he does like it you know.
So let gamepro ask there little questions it will not change anything.
1,SOny says its exclusive
2.MS says its exclusive
3.Kojima says its exclusive
What more do you want?
Get a tatoo of MGS4 on his arm, please.
Hmmm Well i think what Kim is referring to is what Konami said before E3 but then it was cleared up. Sony said before E3 there was some talk but that now there is an exclusive agreement. Peter Moore said it and Kojima said it an numerous Sony execs said it. I fully believe it will never grace the 360. Now with that said it would not suprise me to see the Metal Gear Solid Online game go multiplatform. But i think its safe to say MGS4 is a PS3 exclusive.
MGS4 is exclusive to PS3. The interview is from E3. MGS4 exclusive not timed exclusive but permanently exclusive to PS3.
However, X360 fans could also get Metal Gear Solid Online (MGO) that's something Kojima said it could happen but not MGS4. :)
You could say its MGS4's online but its a different titled based on MGS4 except its only online.
but is Metal Gear online a different game or the online feature of MGS4?
For Lord Anubis- thanks mate...yh i think kojima will be happy to bring it to 360 but what if sony bought rights to it just like how MS did for GTA IV (downloadable content),that will be something else.
The rumor seems pretty dead to me......I don't even think this is really a rumor at all, sure he's right about it making economical sense to bring it to the 360, thats the same for any game, but sometimes companies make a descision to go "exclusive" based off past relationships and of course some compensation up front and I for one think its good for each brand to have some exclusive's otherwise why buy both? I don't even think this is a rumor he even admits that MGS4 is the only big title that's NOT on the 360.(his opinion) -He says "maybe" it will come to the 360....just sounds like wishful thinking from another exec to me.
"The big significant third-party title of any consequence that isn't on the Xbox 360 is Metal Gear Solid 4, and Konami even said "Who knows, maybe that'll happen."
-Let it go Kim, when or if Konami says something about it going to the 360, then we can talk about it, if not its PS3 exclusive so lets not speculate on this subject anymore.
After you consider the *exact wording* from all of the official sources, I don't think anyone can definitively rule out *a* Metal Gear game coming to the 360. This last bit of news at Sony's E3 show, that Kojima was bowing out after this game, does leave open the possibility that the "real" MGS4 is exclusive to the PS3, and another team may work on a similar game.
For all we know, based on historical cross-platform releases, we may afterall end up seeing a subtitled 360 game, an "MGS: Re-Mixty" title.
At this point, who knows? A couple of people do, and they're certainly not telling.
Let's just continue to look forward to MGS4, let the 360 players hope for that which may or may not come, and all, ALL of us prey for ZOE4.
EDIT: To the disageediot: Pick a factual statement from above and try to disagee again. (Hint: You can't.)
(see title above)
when sony was talking multi platform, they said that it was easier to port from ps3 to xbox then vice versa, so well, that says it all on development
but will it ever happen, i just don't really see that
I'm starting to think that maybe it would be better if the @#$% game goes multi so we can FINALLY let this fu*ing rumor rest in peace..
Hey if a 1000 confirmations about MGS4 exclusivity are not enough, then multiplatform it is..
Seriously how long do this rumor have to live on?? MGS4 was announced exclusive so many times..but microsoft is still tryin to give hope to 360 owners..lol..
There was a rumor that Grand Theft Auto IV is not going to be compatible with the Core system because the game may require a hard drive. Is incompatibility with the Core model something Microsoft can't allow, or are you flexible on issues like this?
SK: No, we want to support all of the Xbox 360s, otherwise it becomes very confusing. We really want to avoid that as much as possible.
So what would you say if Rockstar Games demanded you have a hard drive if you want to play GTAIV on the Xbox 360?
SK: We get to make the call on who gets published on our platform...[inaudible] we'd push back on any publisher saying things like that.
sounds interesting ...
1,SOny says its exclusive
2.MS says its exclusive
3.Kojima says its exclusive
As a PlayStation owner I would love to think so, but they always refer to "Metal Gear Solid 4", not "Any Other Game Rhyming With *Metal Gear Solid*".
Seriously, their soft use of the word "exclusive" was a let down at E3. To me, I wanted to hear them say "Metal Gear Solid Will Never Appear On a Console Other Than the PlayStation 3."
They did not say that.
Anything less than that sort of phrasing and you have to read between the lines and just cross your fingers. Otherwise you'll be crying about people "lying" to you when they in fact did not.
was this the guy that JUST found out that RE5 is going Multiplatform....???
So Rockstar arent allowed to make GTA bigger than a DVD or that requires a HD.
Now I'm not saying the PS3 version is crippled because of the XB version, because who knows, Rockstar might not have been that ambitious anyway.
But if they were.........Its a worrying trend to say the least.
Disc space...the xbox 360 only has 8.5 gigs of disc space....All 3 games above use at least 25 gig of space compressed!!! It is rumored that Killzone 2 and Metal Gear Solid 4 will use the 50 gig bluray discs. And they are still compressing!
You can not compress a possible 60 to 100 gig game compressed to fit on a 50 gig bluray disc onto a 8.5 inch dvd9 disc...it can not be done...now i am not saying that MGS4 or Killzone will have 100 gig of uncompressed data...its just a metaphor..
They had to compress the hell out of Resistance Fall of man to fit on a 25 gig bluray disc....Fact..
MGS4 will never, ever come out on the Xbox 360....You will never get any kind of Metal gear solid game on the Xbox 360...except for a old arcade port for they xbox live arcade.
Some of you can cry and hate...but this is how it is. Just like we will never get a Halo game on a gears of war game on the PS3. We are not going to cry and post rumors about it. Its all viral marketing...
The Xbox 360 will never, ever, ever, ever, ever get MGS4. It is playstation 3 exclusive.
After MGS4 is released there could be more PS3s sold that Xbox 360s...it is possible. We will just have to see.
I am not trying to hate on the Xbox 360...I hope Halo 3 is going to be good. I am going to get it and Mass Effect.
After playing Heavenly Sword Demo...i have seen the PS3 light...and it is good....and after seeing the MGS4 demo...i have been hooked on the PS3.
they never compressed any of those games you were talking about, resistance took 16gigs uncompressed show me other words
Lame let it die.. play your halo.
coming to the xbox 360 and if it does, it will be in like 3 years or maybe on the Xbox 720, as a CHEAP PORT.
The tiles is misleading, and I don't care for MGS4 on the 360, the 360 has enough good games.
You wanna play MGS4 get a PS3.
OK move along now..nothing to see here.
I am 150% convinced that the only reason they "care" so much for this game is the fact that it is a Playstation title.
THAT IS THE ONLY REASON, they don't care about Snake's history, the game's history, I bet half can't even tell you what were the best parts of the first and now legendary Metal Gear Solid on PSX. I played that game from beginning to end and haven't done that with another game since.
That's how good it is.
Fact is you idiotic fanboys don't deserve to lick Snake's boots.
Lets just play GTA 4. It might just turn out to be a superb game and didn't require extra space. If thats the case, than Rockstar's decision to only use a standard DVD has nothing to do w/ how ambitious they are. What I'm saying is let's not to try to assume Rockstar's intentions for GTA4. Just play the game before saying "this [developers forgoing quality over DVD space] is a worrying trend". If it sucks then complain.
Hold on a sec is this the same Shane "I live under a rock" Kim? the guy that didn't believe RE5 was coming to the 360? and even denied it?
sorry pal ill listen to some one that actual knows their stuff for info about my 360 games
up on 360 is bcuz. its not like with the other games such as dmc and gta bcuz they were being developed for both consoles and just never mentioned. mgs4 is built FROM THE GROUND UP ON PS3. that means it if i did show up on 360, it would take at least a year. and mgs has more so a hardcore fan base which means most people wont wait a year to 2 on getting and those few people that would, wouldnt make up for the money konami would be putting into the game. i know this will never happen but its like halo 3 coming to ps3. nobody is gonna wait a year 2 play it and the people that would wouldnt make up 4 the money MS put into it.
now i can see metal gear online coming 2 the 360 since it isnt a hardcore game with a complex story but anyone can jump in. and they did make it sepearate from the mgs4 game so we will see. but besides that, that is the reason why i dont think mgs will come 2 360 bcuz of its hardcore fans not waiting. if u dont think my reasoning makes sense then tell me why
OVER AND OVER AGAIN. i mean 360 fans went as far 2 put up fake videos on youtube saying mgs4-xbox 360 confusing alot of people. just let the freakin rumor die.
and by the way mgs2 sold horrible on xbox
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO world war 3
why is it that ps3 owners dont cry over not getting a xbox exclusive and start fake rumors
Brains:) and alot of patience, unlike my past self and many xbots, they have no brain. They have to be offensive to get a simple point out and they dream constantly about getting games like Uncharted and MGS4 - it will never happen. Most xbox fans are teens or even kids, but most of them are middle aged and still act like kids. They think the world revolves around their console and that everyone will bow down to the sound of master chief's voice. Haha, Wrong. The only thing i'm bowing down to is my girl friend's you know what. Xbox fans are the worst kind of fanboy and they need to wake up.
"Because WE have Brains and alot of patience, unlike MY PAST SELF and many xbots, they have no brain."
So you recently grew a brain? Cool, how's that work then. Could you grow a few more for the other rabid PS3 fanboys on this site?
We can bicker and banter on and on about this and that, but if they REALY wanna see money, they need to get out of the box and get in on the Xbox. Sales from multiplatform games bring in the numbers, simple as that! And if they do, let's not see this as some sort of PS3 apocolypse: more like a gaming utopia, where people can just say that they played it, regardless of what system it's on. Sony fans want Gears and Mass Effect just as much as 360 fans want a taste of Sony's loyal developers.
And to correct the problem, it's not that it would take years of conversion development blah-blah-blah...NO! It's that Kojima (and others) CAN do it: they're just undecided right now. But if Capcom EA Ubisoft Activitson and many others can bring its PS exclusives across the board to a wider audience, then I don't see a reason why anyone else can't! It just takes decisiveness determination and...deals!
It isn't an undecided issue. The deal is done. People like Shane Kim refuse to let it go...as do people such as yourself. I had a 360 - 3rd RROD in for repairs. If I wanted to play Gears and all I had was a PS3 and a PC I would get the version that has 20% more game...that isn't coming to the 360.
I'll just wait on Mass Effect as well. Just like Jade Empire we'll see that in short order (with enhancements).
Your argument depends upon a lynch pin that isn't true. Sony fans don't want HALO3 the same way 360 fans want MGS4. The worst part is the why. The few Sony fans that want HALO3 want to play it. Whereas a large part of the 360 fans that want MGS4 just want it because Sony has it. Pitiful actually but that is the overall mentality.
You just saved me the trouble. Now I go to bed, it's 3am here.
"The few Sony fans that want HALO3 want to play it. Whereas a large part of the 360 fans that want MGS4 just want it because Sony has it. Pitiful actually but that is the overall mentality."
I don't believe that's the case. MGS4 is going to be a good game is it not? So why wouldn't 360 owners want to play it. Granted it's not everybodies cup of tea, but not everbody will buy it for PS3 either.
It's obvious that Kojima doesn't want MGS4 released on 360, but it's really not his decision. The final decision rests with those who are bank rolling the games development. Didn't Kojima say he's retiring from the MGS series after this game? Maybe there's a connection with the rumoured 360 port. Perhaps Kojima and his team are leaving Konami altogether and handing over development of the franchise to another team entirely. It could be Konami's intention to begin porting MGS4 to the 360 once he's gone.
Remember, Konami has a legal responsibility to do what's right for their share holders. If the suits holding the purse strings have genuine concerns about the profitability of this game, they are legally obliged to take action.
I know all these rumours and speculation are getting old, i'm fed up of hearing about it myself. But until Konami, note "Konami", not Kojima, officially announce an exclusivity deal with Sony, anything is possible. If Sony wants to put an end to any possibility of a 360 port they need to cough up the dough.
p.s. Your comment about Mass Effect possibly coming to PC just gave me an idea. What if Kojima is telling the truth and MGS4 isn't coming to 360, but maybe coming to PC instead? Have Konami ruled that out?
Konami doesn't control the IP as with other titles. Kojima retains a great deal of ownership. It is one of the reasons Sony had to negotiate with him in addition to Konami to make the film and he wound up as executive producer. I highly doubt he gave Konami carte blanche to put the game on any platfomr they wanted and parse it up as necessary to make it fit.
That said it is a moot point and I won't give credence to ridiculous speculation. The deal is done and it's a PS3 title period. Next!
Any evidence to back that up? I doubt Kojima owns the MGS franchise, unless he's standing to the development cost himself.