The numbers say it all:
Blue Dragon: 6.5, 7.5, 6.5
Lair: 6.0, 5.5, 5.0
Get ready for some tremendously disappointed gamers...Hit the jump for more (low) scores.
Changed to rumor as the EGM September issue is not out yet.
I would like to read why they gave Blue Dragon and Lair such bad scores. I was looking forward to both.
Dan Hsu, one of the EGM reviewers, is KNOWN to be a XBOX fanboy, and he ALWAYS criticizes anything SONY. No wonder LAIR go so low.
Blue Dragon never looked great to me. I saw a lot of gameplay videos, and the environment detail looks like it can be done on the PS2. The difference is how "fluid" the animations are. Lost Oddysey looks way better (and their both done by the same developer).
FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE
no proof whatsoever, a forum post
no scans, pics nothing.
and for some reason this guy is the only person that got the magazine 10 days before its released. We can totally believe him.
but we don't know yet so this should be titled as RUMOR
need I say more???
Even if its not fake, I dont think I trust their opinion (which is all a review is).
One of the posts claim Lair got 6 for graphics so straight away its fishy. I'd give the graphics at least 8.5 based just on video let alone waiting to see the full game at 1080p.
Not creditable at all. I dont mind that stuff like this gets posted like some other people, but shouldn't it have a question mark and be presented as a rumour?
Its is FAKE for God sake, where is proof? just some forum post, i am in awe that this "so called article", actually forum post is made into an article and than posted here. Give me a brake!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I just checked into the egm/1up.com website and couldn't find any Lair review. So where in the devil's name were they getting this so-called EGM review score information? Unless...
random forum posts should not count as "rumors", let alone "news"
I played the demo of blue dragon... and let me tell you, what 1.2 said about the environment looking like it could have been done on the PS2 is 100% correct. And from what I can tell, the overall gameplay is even less enjoyable than Final Fantasy. I did only get to spend an hour playing it, hoping it would get better- but it never did.
LAME. That is the score I would give it based on the demo.
And as far as Lair getting a bad score, I kinda figured it would be mediocre. Sure, it looks great. Sure, you can do some fancy tricks in the air. But it is basically nothing but Dynasty Warriors with dragons to fly on. It doesn't seem to have much of a story. And the few gameplay gimmicks it has are not enough to make up for the lack of overall depth to the game.
And I was anticipating both
they have horrible history of poor reviewing games.
no one care about GGM .
i am getting LAIR on the 14th no doubt.
see the new gameplay footages of LAIR posted at N4G on the 1st place
Can't believe it...always next month I suppose =)
don't be a p*ssy. are u going to let one review effect you or your purchasing decisions so much? wait until the other reviews come out (ign.com, gametrailers.com...if they have one, and only as a last resort gamespot.com).
wait until the other reviews come out and make your own decision. egm sucks anyways, their best days are behind them.
I had high hope for both titles, especially Blue Dragon. I have to admit, the demo was kind of meh, load times were ridiculous just to enter battles.
when i say the 360 is underpowered?
they argue cause you have no idea what your talking bout and the 360 being underpowered sure as hell is outselling ps3, gas more and better games..
can somebody help me here right now
what you need ken? haha
blue dragon hah your kiding me right,never liked jrpgs but lair got lower geez thats sad if true.
It was supposed to be awesome. Anyways, persona 3 is a really good jrpg.
well that would be in japanese terms not U.S
its awesome, i love that game so much and cant wait to buy it on day one, and to the person who said it could be doen on ps2...dont be an egg
the graphics look like a cgi movie and is a blast to play, who needs reviews when you can play the demo and see how good it really is
I thought it was a little too blue and more like an entry level style rpg with turn based combat. From what i've read the story seems to be kool but the demo didn't do much for me. Maybe it would of gripped me more if it was out a few years ago. On to lair. If they/he don't like it then thats his opinion. I haven't played any part of it to judge his judgement but that graphics score seems a bit strange as was mentioned above and below by a few people. Ill wait and see or at least for a few more real reviews from people whom I feel like the same type of stuff I do
I don't care for either. Blue dragon has that traditional japanese gameplay I don't care for. And the little chubby kid, turn based fighting big head and eyes gameplay is a style done to death. And lair looks like it is chock full of extremely repetitive gameplay.
Agreed. I played the Blue Dragon demo for about one minute, and I knew that it wasn't for me. I just don't get Japanese gamers. I've always thought that many games that they like were mediocre at best. Turn-based fighting? LAME.
I'm not a Sony fan, but Lair looked great. Should score high in the graphics department, but as we all know great graphics doesn't always equal great game.
who cares what they say.. if you want them buy them. Can't believe how people are dependant on reviewers for any system. I'm still buying Lair and I'll find out for myself.
When does the magazine come out?
...Well they've given bad scored to good games before like: Onimusha Dawn of Dreams got like 6/10, Leisure Suit Larry: MCL got 2.5... Grandia 2 got 4.0 (resident evil survivor beat it!), Atelier Iris 4.8/10... and so on. I just think they've gotten pretty bored of the turn based RPGs and... well I dunno bout Lair, but they have a lot of mixed reviews, so i'll wait for other reviews first.
that game way sooo long and soo good. I love the series and hope that they make another one for the PS3. I don't read reviews. Everyone is different so I'll rent before I buy.
gave Blue Dragon 37/40. As for lair I don't know. But Factor 5 is a good developer.
Is EGM insane???
Both Blue Dragon and Lair have gotten INCREDIBLE reviews from EVERYONE but EGM. What makes them hate these games?
That's like one magazine that gave RE4 a 5/10. We can all just laugh in their faces...
I believe Blue Dragon is a great game. I just think Lair will be the better game because according to anyone, including Adam Sessler, that's played it...it's the first GREAT dragon-based game.
I can't wait to play it!
EGM sucks. seriously, only an idiot would pay for a video game magazine when you can get 10x the content for free online.
Maybe so but you can hardly compare a dragon fighting game with a
turn based rpg. Their 2 different games.
but then this isn't the first time this mag reviewed pretty good games and gave them scores. Lair my hype for this game is as high as ever, and i'll probably be playing the hell out of blue dragon as well. key thing 1up may be connected to egm but i've seen we're they both score the same game differently.
kinda disappointing, both games are anticipated as well
"I just think Lair will be the better game because according to anyone, including Adam Sessler, that's played it...it's the first GREAT dragon-based game."
While Lair looks awesome, it'll never reach the heights of the Panzer Dragoon series
Lair is an Highly anticipated game and ive been looking forward to it. i wounder why it got so low score.
but dont worry ,when sony realease a demo we will know right .
as for blue dragon im sure it will be good 2.
Often I will see one main stream mag or site give what amounts to lower or higher scores than any other site. I will say EGM tends to be pretty spot on ...but this being the first scores for US/Europe release for Blue Dragon and Lair both...I would wait to look for a trend before I get too worked up.
Take this with cautious optimism that they scored these low compared to the other sites/mags.
how does bull sh+t news like some random FORUM post becomes news here, and where is the evidence? And of all things did these magazines reach subscribers on a SUNDAY of all days.... All i know the EGM rumour started from one guy one Neogaf who had no evidence, and gamepro has no review of Lair also..
THIS IS NOT NEWS, THIS IS CALLED FORUM RUMOURS....
Famitsu gave Blue Dragon a 37/40, Play Magazine gave Lair a 9/10, EGM gives both games low scores...I don't know, I'll still wait for the big gaming sites to review these games. Famitsu is a big deal so I think EGM will be wrong on Blue Dragon, but I don't think I'll give Play Magazine that much credit...I'll wait it out. Most of these reviews that come out a month or a couple of weeks before the game is released just seems like the reviewers just watched the intro and played the game for 5 minutes and said "boooooooring" or "greatest game ever!!" and rated it...
I wouldn't be so quick to add Play Magazine to a list of credible sources... I know everyone has their own opinion but they gave sonic a 9/10..
"but I don't think I'll give Play Magazine that much credit...I'll wait it out"
lol I hope you're kidding about them giving sonic a 9/10, but yeah i'm just gonna wait for more Lair reviews...even if it gets an 8 average i'll probably end up getting it
LAIR is garbage, also HEAVENLY SWORD is going to be the next piece of crap that is being hyped.
Umm..no. Heavenly Sword is ****ing sweet.
Heavenly sword is gonna be hot, I keep playing the demo and I am getting nice with the counter attacks. I all ready have this game pre-ordered, it's gonna be sick. I think Lair is going to get better reviews but we will have to see.
I'm still buying both Lair and Blue Dragon,I never listen to reviews,I like to try games out myself and then judge them.
Ok I'm not buying both Lair and Blue Dragon?
I do listen to reviews?
I don't try the game out before I judge it?
I got the August 2007 issue a few days ago and it says on the "Next Month" section that they will review Lair next month (Sept. '07 issue)
i think everyone should calm down and take this post as a lie to disturbed the ps-fanboys head. I find it funny though how people who hype playstation exclusive games lose all FAITH whenever there's a rumour of negative review or preview is said of the game- stupid idiots.
OOOH..THIS SAIDS THIS...bad control......OF FLOP TEH no tripple AAA...OHH NO ITS A at best- grow up kids. Anyway
and people use your head for once, if liar was reviewed by gamepro and EGM we wouldn't be hearing of the supposes bad review on a sunday as most reviews (apart from HALO) is published by fridays. If liar was reviewed we would of heard of the score from at most saturday. Who get mail on Sundays?
I am not that surprised. Wow it has good graphics, big deal, its a dragon game, where you ride dragons around, only fun for so long. Blue Dragon I am a bit surprised, because these retarded kind of games normally get good scores with reviews. I personally hate JRPG's because I hate turn based action. But this game was supposed to be one of the best of this kind.
I think this is 100% fake. These reviews are nowhere online, and I haven't even gotten this month's copy of EGM yet. This is 100% fake.
The fact that a game which sold TONS of 360s in Japan and a game that got a 9/10 from Play Magazine, got such a low score seems sort of suspicious.
I'll wait and see when my actual copy of EGM comes in the mail.
EGM 219: SEPTEMBER 2007 ISSUE
On sale August 7th!
subscribers get their mail issue up to a week before retail- as i speak we are in the 28th of July ARE YOU PEOPLE TELLING ME THIS GUYS GOT THE NEXT ISSUE 10Days BEFORE everybody else? and off all days on a SUNDAY, when mail isn't delivered....call me smart
and this news ive'been tracking from gamespot forums...its slowly crawling throwgh the internet.... the funny thing is its not even true and the magazine won't be out until the next 10 days- came from some random guy at neogaf who has no scan or evidence.......is he the only one in the USA that got his mag on a Sunday?- the editor of this site isn't doing their job properly....
Maybe they don't like jrpg's and maybe they don't like a game that you have to use the sixaxis all the time. Well the sixaxis is there for a reason and i'm gonna use it. F___ the reviews, i'm still gonna go get Lair and as for Blue Dragon, I played the demo I ain't really into that game. I'm more into the Final Fantasy series. That's just my opinion, but the hell with the reviews if you personally want to go get a game, go right ahead and go get it. Don't let no reviews hold you back from something that looks real interesting to you.
...maybe EGM just don't not like dragons... what did they give panzer dragoon orta???
anyways, I was always skeptical on Lair, that game looks alot like Drakengaurd on the PS2 expect with really good lighting and ocean graphics. The graphics looked good but the gameplay seemed... meh.
As for Bluedragon, after i played the demo and seen the clips i was never really anticipating the game. Sakaguchi keeps his games very very very traditional and usually never sets a new bar (or hasn't for a long time). I believe thats the reason why SquareEnix just didn't give him that much authority over game developement like they used to. I certainly hope Sakaguchi shows some new things other than revealing to the world the Xbox360's versions of Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, b/c the way Lost Odyssey is shaping up, it'll end up being a FF8 or FF10 clone.
Ill rent both lair and blue dragon anyways, ill also get Lost Odyssey, just dont know if it's a buy or rent yet.
BTW: i subscribe to EGM... and i'd like to know where the FAWK is Warhark on the review list!!?!?, this BETTER be fake.
that's all this is.
The Lair and Blue Dragon review issue of EGM come out on August 7th. How could this person from a forum get it on a Sunday?
Magazines don't get shipped until a week before retail, which is July 31st.
I call a BS on this...and not new but a forum false lie burning out of control.
Gamers need to start using their brain abit more to know what is a rumor and what is true, all I've proved against this news show its a forum lie- coming for one neogaf guy.
1p/egm suck shiet.
i could not care less about what these retards write.
I'm callin' BS on this too.
There's just NO WAY!
All the games scored pretty low, hey can we grade all the games on a curve......add +2.0 to all the scores. [shrugs shoulders, looks around] Wow! BD got a 8.5 9.5 8.5 it must be a great game. -lol
This is from a forum so he could have easily pulled these scores out of his @ss, we'll see.
Now I admit I prefer western style RPGs to JRPG but when I played the Blue Dragon demo I was not impressed with anything but the graphics. I suspect there is a lot of depth and some people may enjoy but I didn't like the style of play. It seemed like a decent game for its genre but I am not sure I will ever be excited about JPRG. So I would rate it about a 6-7 out of 10 (mostly for the graphics and the presentation and the music). As many people have commented - the whole genre of turn-based RPGs seems like it needs some refreshing - Nevernights 2 was so bad (rate it a 4 out of 10) I walked away (although the bugs made the game almost unplayable, there were still lots of design flaws even once you got past that). Seems like something better is possible - perhaps other JRPGs will provide some innovation. I wonder how that Sonata game is going to play out - if it is more of the same then no thanks. Fable 2s new rhythmic combat systems seems a lot cooler.
Regarding Lair - it was never a system seller. It is hard to do that much with flying around on a dragon. I am sure it is cool for a little while but it is a niche game anyway. I suspect some people will love it but for most it should wait until it reaches about $30 status.
To me, it seems like both were overhyped and can be discounted.
Blue Dragon is a guarenteed AAA game. Just look and read the reviews thus far...Its averaging an 8.9
With 4 of the 6 reviews thus far giving Blue Dragon a 9.0....the other two are high 8's. I'm definately picking BLue Dragon up...WOW.
And Blue Dragons 7.5 isn't so bad for this magazine compared to Lairs 5.5. WOW....I was really looking foward to Lair too. I thought it would be the first AAA game since the launch of the Ps3. But I will watch for other reviews that will be soon to come. Interesting indeed.
And your opinion of a AAA title must be a game averaging at 9/10 and has not sold up to expectations??? That doesn't sound like a AAA title to me. The title "AAA" shouldn't be thrown around left and right. AAA titles are major system sellers (Halo,FF,GeOW,GT,Mario,etc), blue dragon and Lair are not even in the same catagory.
It's a fake dude.
i told u dam sony fans in the first place that u were just kissing sony ass to much. it seems any game sony publish u dam sony fans over hype the hell out of it, i guaruntee u that the reason this game got a bad score is because of gameplay. the graphics are nice i have to admit,but this seems to be the case in many of sony games they are just grahics. now i know i should make fun of 360 fans for bluedragon but im looking at it like this, u sony fans for months have been saying that lair is going to be the first game to divine the ps3 and show why its better than the 360, WHOOPS. and blue dragon is a 360 gamethat got so so hype not a lot but it got a better score now to me that shAt is justy plane out funny. now sony fans be real look at some of the other games yall sumbatches are hyping up for example warhawk,
whiteknight, and o yhea little big planet what the fack is that.
i mean seruosly u sony fans need to stop hyping ps3 games just because look good like killzone, i mean yes this game look amazing but there are other games that look just as good or close but propably going to play a lot better. one more thing sony fans please stop saying that the 360 is the king of shootem up games because if u go to gamespot and look at the genras for both ps3 and 360 u will see that only genra
360 is lacking is platformers every other genra it as just as many or more games then ps3. buy the way i do own a ps3 and 360 soon i get my camera back i will take a pic of eholding both and pst it on this site in that lil corner, but i just prefer 360 beccause not until atleast jan 1 2009 that probABLY be when ps3 have more game i PREFER TO PLAY THEN ON 360 BUT now there only 2 Mgs4 and heavenly sword, 2 games own a $600 console. ninja gaidn ididn,t see any reson to play agame i played 4 years ago thats why i think yall nwwd to get ur dack out of sony ass and buy both u goingto miss out on all thesew great games ttring to be loyal to company who only wants ur money. and thatas for both ps3 and 360 fans.
"and o yhea little big planet what the fack is that" Do you know that your hating on a game that you don't nothing about, but if you look back all of you 360 fans was a hyping a game called "VIVA PINATA" and you have the nerve to say what the f___ is Little Big Planet. Come on homie shut your face. Let me guess you like VIVA PINATA because it ain't kiddie. BULLSHIT!!!! One more thing you dumb nut, learn how to spell like a grown @ss man you idiot.
sony fanboys can't like games because its only for sony but your saying blue dragon will be an awsome game have u played it nope so don't be such a troll and yes i used troll this guys is pissing me off and u all know i don't like to use words like that but this guy is a complete retard
that is all
The spelling errors! I am so sorry the public school system failed you.
AHHHHH walls of TEXT!
On a more serious note. You are entitled to your own opinions, even if they don't make any sense.
it is going to be a great game don't be so quick to judge it like the guys were don't worry lair and blue dragon will be awsome games
...towards dragons. They apparently have a problem with mythical fire-breathing beasts and give low scores to games that feature them.
I'm very surprised about Lair, I thought it was supposed to be a big blockbuster. That must be a disappointment. Speaking of disappointments involving games that feature mythical creatures, how about that Vampire Rain. The trailer looked so cool, but most of the mags and websites hated it. It just goes to show that well produced trailers can make mediocre games look great.
It's a fake article man. It's going to be ok.
The next issue of EGM is in 10 days people! Unless somebody got the magazine 10 days early this is BS.
As you can see, there's no pic, ju