EA Sports boss Peter Moore says EA’s new Online Pass exists because the company doesn’t want people to trade in its games.
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Purchasing second hand games is the only way i am financially capable of owning more games in this rotten economy, than if i was to buy them full price from the store. No amount of addons or preorder bonus's, or original game content taken out for money-reaping dlc's, will change that fact. I understand that Devs and Publishers are businesses requiring income for their employers and their families, but attempting to completely monopolise the way consumers are allowed to purchase their desired products is pure Nazism.
here's a promise i'll keep my games if you make sure they are of quality and high replay value
Many of my PS3 3rd party games are 2nd hand and I have no intention of selling them due to the reason you stated. -End statement
Well EA... maybe you shouldn't release sports games annually, there is no reason for me to keep madden or nhl when i know there will be a newer one next year.
Well when you have EA servers which you collapse after each two year game iteration of course people are gonna trade it in.
@quagmire, i agree with you on the buying games 2nd hand bit but the monopolizing part i dont agree with. they not forcing you to buy the DLC. i honestly am for devs and publishers making $$$ on 2nd hand game sales. however, i just dont think the way activision and ubisoft are going about it the right way. i think maybe the devz and publishers should take a certain percentage however it should be a percentage from the discounted/used price. thats about it. @mar-tyr-dom i agree with you too. making sports games every year with little to no graphical update is pointless. the only thing that gets updated are team sheets <more or less>. so heres my thought. why not create update packs, like dlc at a discounted price. it should contain new teams, updated team sheets, new kits, and a few tweaks to the gameplay. and then maybe release a full game every 3 years or so. just a thought.
"We don’t want people to trade our games." Here is a clue Pete. The best safeguard against trading games or the damage publishers claim in lost revenue from used titles is to make a decent game with some longevity to it. If you shovel out crap for a few bucks do not be surprised when the consumer finds a way to stick it to you in a just, deserved manner. I rarely trade a game...unless it is real trash. If you like a game but think you are through with it sooner or later you will regret trading it. Same thing for systems. Unless you have those titles on another system with all of the features sooner or later you will wish you still had it.
@KingPin I agree 100% with what you said to mar-tyr-dom. Ive been waiting for years for a FIFA release that could update teams rosters, shirts and players, even better if done automatically. But instead, I keep seen a FIFA every year, and playing the demo every year.
@dangert12 Agree with you.
@jemarval id love for that to happen but something tells me that EA wont do that anytime soon. i mean, if you think about it, every year sports games sell. they wouldnt wanna cut profits like that. But i think if they made the update packs, they would make a lot of small profits instead of little large profits. <if you know what i mean>
Buy fewer games?
I'm a console gamer partly because I hate DRM. I will not buy any of EA's online pass-enabled games. I will play MY copy of MY game on any console (That it's for) that I want. When I buy a game, it's MINE, ea. I WILL decide what I want to do with MY copy of the game. Trade it, sell it, play it on more than one console w/o having to purchase more online passes, etc.
CD-Key not existing is the only pro of console gaming. This coming from a console bashing pc lover. It would be a shame to see that pro get tossed out the window, not for piracy reasons but out of greed.
Agree with Quagmire. Last game I bought at full price was Bad Company 2. Just very difficult to afford all the games now adays.
They will loose alot of sales not just from customers, but from blockbuster and Gamefly. Sure, if someone rents they might not buy. But at the same time renting can lead to a purchase. Also, these companies buy alot of copies of the game first, and then sell them. So basically, they are doing damage to the only companies who actually buy a new copy from the publishers before selling it as used. I got a ps3 and 360, but I dont like the publishers trying to dictate which version I buy or cutting features THAT ARE ON THE DISK, simply because I got it used. This is like a car manufacturer disabling your radio because your car is used.
sorry Peter Moore, but if i cant sell my Madden 11 for a decent amount on ebay (online pass will cause used value to plummet) I wont be in-line to buy Madden 12 new - thats the only way i can reason with myself to give 40-60 bucks for whats essentially the same game. P.S. Madden ultimate team is the biggest scam I have ever seen. The only innovative thing thats happened to Madden in years, requires you to buy DLC to be competitive, effectively making the DLC an "I Win button". Oh and there are still money plays in madden, thanks.
Quote for truth, the game devs complain about used sales, but they put locked DLC On the disc.... So im paying $60 for, a 5 hour game, with locked multiplayer features, then i gotta pay another $10 for the new (not new) maps? Buck off EA!
update Madden and stop buying exclusive contracts that allow them to be lazy.
They need to stop making a new Madden every year. Why not charge for yearly updates (DLC style) and come out with a new one every 3 years. Nevermind, I know the reason- $$$
no, come out with a madden every other year, back on topic you dont want me to trade game how about make higher quality games and make game prices cheaper, i swear when game prices go to $100, im not gaming anymore
That's nice but what about what we, the gamer, want? You know, those people paying $60.00 for your games. The ones that can boycott your games
but Mr. Moore should worry about something else, like how to remove those halo tattoos he had
1/3 of my games are second hand because its definitely expensive if you have to buy brand new games. Who can blame the gamers for buying second hand if they can buy it for cheap? I only buy brand new games when its so damn good that i have to play as soon as I can.
I agree, but I will only buy second hand games AFTER a year of them being out because they are like 1/3 the price but if I want to play it within a month I either buy it new to give developers the money they deserve or don't buy it at all.
My second hand games are also a year old before i bought them. Great games on the PS3 deserve to be bought new cause i wouldn't miss out on playing them.
I don't own a single second hand game, mostly because I'd rather not give the retailers that much money for a game they have no part in making and the difference between new and second hand isn't enough to warrant it. I'd rather spend the extra £5, or hell, less if I buy online as I normally do. Really, if you shop around, there's no need to buy second hand to save money.
This is a comment about Gamestop's policies more than it is about used games. Meanwhile NO retailer has any part in making ANY game. So don't buy from retailers? Just use publisher's online stores maybe? WTF? Used retailers BUY, STOCK, pay inventory taxes on, and market their used games. They very much invested in their own business. The publisher was already paid when the used copy was initially purchased as a new copy (wholesale) by a retailer who will try to sell THAT to a consumer at a profit(usually $12) which the store KEEPS. That wholesale price is all the publisher is entitled to from retail channels. The publisher does not stock, sell, pay taxes on, or buy used games so they are not entitled to any sort of revenue from them. They have nothing at risk in the used market. you have to spend money to make money. They have already been compensated for making the game on a per unit basis when they sold them into the retail sector as new games. If game publishers want revenue from used game sales then they have two course of legitimate action available to them: 1.) They can buy equity in retailers who sell used games 2.) They can buy up and sell used games themselves and assume the risks of a used game retailer
True "Pirate Thom" I wasn't going to get Split Second or Blur at full price but I found them for £25 each NEW. They haven't been out long and I saved £30 from original price. Also NEW, POP (new one) £27, AvP £22, and many more, all brand new. If you look around supermarkets (UK), you can find some bargains on new games. Sometimes they are cheaper new from supermarkets than second hand in game shops.
hello gang, it certainly has been a while, you may or may not remember me but I was that one guy that shat all over M$. staying on topic: if you don't want people to trade in your games you make good games, then that way people don't trade them in, easy
damn I haven;t seen u in a while
well it's my property and I'm entitled to do whatever I want with it.
A yearly release of Madden football (at 60 bucks a pop) is one of gaming's worst traditions.
Maybe so but it's well supported by consumer demand and almost all licensed pro sports titles (and some college sports) have had a yearly iteration for a very long time.
well as for sports games what value stands out on the old tittles that is worth keeping if every year theirs a new one ? that said i hardly buy used games and don't buy new ones ether unless it's some thing that's a real must, look at dead space it's $10 that's a bargain also infamous is $29.99 one year later, if you can wait you can score several titles for $100.
last time i checked i had a receipt for purchasing it so its mine so f%&k you more, mr moore
when you purchase stuff like software/movies hardware, once you open and play you pretty much agree to use it within the terms set by the company whose product you bought. yea you own in the sense of having the physical copy in your possession but in reality you own the rights to use it the way its meant to be used. its too bad so many consumers dont really know what they are actually buying into when they purchase something or when they agree to said companies policies. gonna be funny one of these days one of those agreements are have hidden we own your sole if you accept the terms. since no one ever reads them lol
User agreements rarely stand up as legally binding documents when challenged and are almost always trumped by local laws. They are little more than disclaimers of a consumer-hostile company policy which are rather badly disguised as a consensual contract. They are not taken very seriously and generally offer the company who uses them very little protection against consumer rights laws.
Moore: We don’t want people to trade our games Translation: Moore: We want more of your money on brand new copies. It's been duly noted Moore. No more buying of EA games by me.
do we give a damn?Nope..
Personally. I will never buy another EA game ever again. These people care more about their own pockets than gamers. Its okay to love money of course. But there is no need to be down right greedy.
Well mr moore if ur gonna do that you better release a sports title every 2 years and make $15 dlc the only yearly habbit.
Just one more reason I want EA to go out of business ...
If they stopped charging the same amount of money for yearly titles as they do for games that take 3+ years to make, then maybe they would sell more copies of games new and not have to worry about trade ins affecting their bottom line. I mean why should madden, nhl, elite, cost the same as a game like Halo, KZ, Gears of War, LBP and other games that require more than one year of development. It's obvious that sports title's in this gen suffer because of the tight dev schedule. So either lower your prices, or just come out with games bi-annually. Now with brand new ip's just offer free dlc like you did with Mass Effect 2, but I would suggest a much better quality of dlc rather than quantity because people tend to remember quality over quantity. just my opinion.
Good luck with that. I will never buy an online pass. Ever. If that means no EA games for me then so be it. EA MMA is the only title I'm currently interested in but if they charge for online than you can forget about it.
imagine if ford tried to stop people buying second hand cars.
You guys are funny, every game cycle you continue to want more and more features, better graphics, better sound, more voice acting, longer and huger games etc etc.... All while you refuse to pay a penny more than $59.99 (which i agree)...but to go as far as telling these developers that you will buy games used and not even give them a cent for all their work? I dont really think you have a say in any of this.
i'm willing to spend 60 bucks on games that are worth the price
They ALREADY got paid for the work that went into any used unit. 'Cause it got sold once. Or it wouldn't be used!
thats what i thought, they are just being greedy, it wont stop me buying used games, i get them a lot of ebay.
Do you feel the same way about EVERY PRODUCT THAT HAS EVER BEEN MADE? Do you think I shouldnt be able to sell my old tv, car, bike or EVEN MY HOUSE????? Because with all of those sales the original manufacturer doesnt get any money. I dont ever buy new releases used, and only seldom buy a used version of an old game . I simply dont like all the greed Ive seen from these companies. There is nothing they can do but to make a game that people want to keep. Most of the problem is because of them. Every year we get a new version(madden, NHL, NBA). Or another example is, EA release BF:BC2 at the beginning of the year, and then releases MOH later, which is looking pretty similar. Of course some people are going to trade in your old game and get the new one. I bet they dont even consider the fact that some of the people who trade in their games use that money to buy their new game. I have both a ps3 and 360(pc too), and almost never buy activision or EA games. But by releasing exclusive content on one platform and not the other, These publishers have almost guaranteed that I will only buy used versions of their games if I do. I will not let these companies dictate which version I buy. And I dont like any company who screws over half of its customers simply because MS or sony pay them to stop others from getting the content. I also find it funny that its companies who are multiplat developers, who sell the most games already are the most greedy and most willing to screw over their fans(exclusive content pisses people off, and so does charging people extra to unlock something thats on the disk simply because its used). Edit- Do you see movie companies charging renters or 2nd hand movie buyers extra money for the extra features???? no!!!! the only companies who do this seem to be the 3 biggest publishers in the videogame industry.
First you wanted to charge for demos (and probably will), Now putting codes for online play?? EA, what the F**ck´s the matter with you?? You lost respect for the gamers and Im loosing respect for you.
What these publishers forget is that being able to sell a game is a huge part of the value. Many people wouldn't even buy games if they weren't able to trade them. They would rent them, which is even worse for the publisher.
yeh thats a good point, especially games that only have an 8 hour story. renting it for a week gives you plenty of time to play through it.
No shit Peter, I would never have guessed.
Lol, couldnt agree more.
Games of this generation are becoming less valuable than previous generations...
and yet they are more expensive then previous generations. eventually, publishers/developers will screw the gamers so much that gaming will cease to exist, thanks to greed.
Does this also include the game FaceBreakers?
Then make them digital mr.Moore.
if they're that serious about used game sales then they need to stop doing business with gamestop. period. refuse to ship them any of your games and certainly stop giving them exclusive preorder bonuses. put your money where your mouth is, that goes for all anti-used game publishers. stop talking out of both sides of your mouths.
then quit making trash like madden the same ass trash every year ,whers chirs berman ,tom jackson,any of the people from espn.where is the line of scrimm,cheerleader.fix your passing game its so fake .all a person has to do is crossing routs on madden cuz your a.i. is trash .to put in simple trems you guys at E.A. are trash .
if I can buy a used car and not hurt the automobile companies that bad then i can buy a used game and not hurt the gaming industry
Its not our fault that we have a choice in how much we choose to spend on a game. If they want a piece of the used game revenue, then maybe they should come to an agreement with the retailers. I get tired of developers crying about how they work hard for their product but turn around and treat their consumer base like a virtual atm machine. You expect me to intially invest 60 dollars for a game, then turn around and announce dlc weeks after(sometimes even before)release. Im sorry but the, "We made this content after the game was completed" doesn't work with me. To add insult to injury,some dlc was content that we would unlock in earlier console generations for free. Character skins and extra difficulty modes for 3 or 4 dollars? As a consumer I decide what to buy based on what I feel is reasonable to me (price, availability,etc), not out of some need to support my favorite developer. I am a fan of Kojima and developers like Capcom but its their job to make me want to buy the game for 60 dollars, not the other way around. Even though I might buy a game used, I still spent my money. Quit trying to label me a thief and make me feel guilty about exorcising my right to choose how I purchase a product.
I do think however this is a double war these companies are fighting. On one hand you have the retailers that sell a game for 60 bucks, then the trade in values is usually no more than 30 bucks. When you buy it used its like 48 - 54 bucks, which means the store will make about 47% profit while the dev doesn't see that money. Yes it gouges the consumer. By doing what they are doing they are lowering the value of that game to the retailer. which means they can't sell it at such a high value. Another issue however, hurts the consumer that trade in that said game because the retailer will just scale the trade in value down so they can still receive that percentage on their profit when they sell the game used. This is why I don't buy games from gamespot anymore because they treat their customers like imbeciles when it comes to buying and trading games. Amazon gives discounts and better trade in values plus they give you store credit when you purchase games new. I bought heavy rain for 44 bucks brand new. I had store credit from another game that I had purchased. I beat it 3 times, took about 3 weeks, then i traded it in for 41. So at that point i had 41+ 10 or 20 dollars whatever their promo was at the time to buy another game. Amazon does this with almost all of their new games. so spend 60 you will get an extra 10 or 20 dollars toward your next game. Stop letting gamestop gouge your eyes out and you will be able to afford more new games.
But I recently bought some used games at amazon and it was excellent. The games come in sealed almost like new, and the price can be 5-15 dollars less. I bought Uncharted 2 for 43$ when it was 50, I got MGs4 for 15 and by that time, GOW 3 was selling for 40 when their new price was about 50 too. I bought 3 games for less than 100$. I plan to do this in the future, its better than waiting games to become best sellers and reach the 30$ price. The exception? I bought KZ2 and LBP when they were just released, and probably will do the same for Gran turismo 5. And... @ SpikeSpiegel... I Agree with you pal
Well I just bought NFS underground and I can tell you. I will never buy a EA game new ever again in my life, and I'll be selling NFSU ASAP!
I agree with the extra skins and other stuff as DLC thing. Spider-Man for the Playstation had like, what, 20 different skins or so? Today, they would've put maybe 5 in the game, then release the other 15 in 3, 5 skin DLC packs at about 5 bucks a pop. Fuck that noise. I pay 60 bucks for a game and theres no reason I can't trade it in when I'm done. Unless a game has something to keep me coming back, like multiplayer or something, I don't need it. Example, I bought Bioshock and played through the story twice. Then I traded in the game and got 25 bucks for it. I then took that 25 bucks and bought New Super Mario Bros for the DS. So, out of that original 60 bucks, in the end I got two games. Yeah Gamestop needs to fix their system, but they aren't the only game in town when it comes to the used game market, although they are the biggest. Best Buy is getting into it now too, and they are a huge chain, maybe they can change the stigma with the used game market and make these companies like EA think twice before screwing over their audience.
Its a FACT that used games, spurs new games sales If i trade in Halo 3 and Gears 2, and i buy madden 11 NEW, then they are getting my money.