VG247 writes: Albert Penello, senior director of global marketing for Xbox 360, has said that Microsoft wants to put the console’s hardware failure issues behind it.
Speaking with IndustryGamers, Penello said that the lack of rings on the slimmer 360 model is part of putting the RROD fiasco to rest.
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There are a lot of stupid people in the world who buy second Xbox after the first Xbox gets RROD.
the xbox is on it's last legs. it just got wifi, harddrive, HDMI but still doesn't have blu-ray. pfft!
nice story, bro.
I love the silly stories ps3 fanboys tell themselves.
lol sooo just because you personally dont know anybody that bought new xbox after the frst one died means nobody bought new ones ?
i dont understand your logic
hell im buying a new one
my cousin and 4 friends bought new ones
but i dont think ms did it on purpose its just that they release xbox too soon before they worked out all the kinks .. obviously
If they like wasting their money after that many times, they might as well donate it to a worth cause instead of wasting it.
RROD is actually the worst technical failure in the history of videoconsoles.
I'm one of the original 40 million with a defective model. I WANT to put the RROD behind me, but I'm not going to give them a $300 reward to do so.
Let's put this in perspective. The original Xbox was quite reliable (I still have mine), the launch 360s had issues that Microsoft had to fix (at great cost to itself), they later majorly improved the 360s reliability with later chip sets like the Jasper, and now they have released a totally redesigned 360 S that will mostly likely prove to be a reliable machine. The next generation Xbox will probably also be very reliable.
So are you going to damn them for all time based on that period where there were hardware failures? At the same time you don't apply the same attitude towards Sony. It's pure hypocrisy.
Sony fix the problem with ps2 and ps3 in a short time, yes xbox was build good but you would think they would't get it wrong with 360.
The 360 has fail a lot longer then most systems and the rrod maybe dead on the new 360, but it alreadey is getting red dot of death.
Plus who would want to pay 300 bucks if they couldn't get it right the first try?
The PS2 fail rate was no where near as high as the Xbox 360. Either you didn't know that, or you forgot. Either way you're talking out your ass. That's the problem with you fanboys.
Go on, I'm waiting.
I find it HILARIOUS that 360 fanboys always bring up the PS2 like it had the worst problems ever. How about you stop defending the RROD and Microsoft?
And Microsoft still hasn't addressed the real problem. It isn't hypocrisy to point out that MS is CONTINUING to make the same mistake on purpose. And I thought that we were in a new generation of game consoles? I didn't realize people were playing the PS2 and Xbox. I thought they were playing the PS3 and Xbox 360. Sorry, my bad. *rolls eyes*
Ps2 Issues:
Disc Read Error
360 Issues:
Disc Read Error
Overheating issues
Harddrive Failure
How in God's name could you even remotely compare the issues of earlier systems to an issue of a NOW-gen system, in which had more problems than previous generation systems.
Here is some "perspective" for you then ~
Many forget (for some odd reason) to mention the failure %'s was still within an acceptable industry standards for the PS2. The only reason why it seemed like a lot is because
2-3% of 140 Million is 2.8-4.2 Million ~ PS2
33+% of 40 Million is 13.2 Million+ ~ 360
In the history of electronics there has NEVER been console with a bigger failure rate amount than the Xbox 360. PERIOD.
Edit: Oh and before anyone b!@#$%^ I have a RIGHT to complain as I have just received my 6th RROD a few weeks ago (SCC did it) and I will not be spending another dime on my launch 360 Pro...as the saying goes ~ fool me once (my first 360 purchase) shame on you, fool me twice (any other 360 purchase I WON'T be doing) shame on me.
Wow dude. I agree with you 100%. I hated Sony for my ps2 dying on my three times and having to pay out my pocket before Sony lost their cads action suit. That when I use to explain my hate for Sony because of the dre with the ps2 on this site. Sonyfans would tell me to get over it and let the past go. Yet they are here saying that they will not forgive MS for the issues with RRod with the old 360's.
Let's be honest here. Both company have had their share of issues. I just recently got RRoD for the first time with my launch 360. But in no way do I hate MS for it. Will it stop me from buying another next gen console from MS in the future? No. Because like sonyfans would tell me in the past. Let the past go and move on.
Sonyfan let the RRoD issue go. I have let go on my hate for Sony and just enjoy games from both companys. I don't want to see any company leave the gaming business. Because competition brings out the best in both companys. And I would love to see what both Sony/MS bring to the table next gen.
You guys like to spin the numbers to make one company look bad and another look good, but it's a fool's errand. Everyone can tell you have no idea what you're talking about so you just make stuff up.
My perspective isn't wrong. Certain people just don't want to get it, let alone believe it...even if you account for 2005, 2004, 2003 or whatever "time" it happened the PERCENTAGE is the key point and that's what matters. It was within acceptable industry standards then and now. Ultimately it doesn't matter what "year"; it's just another excuse/spin for those who are trying to change the subject over the 360's failure rate that is BY FAR the worst in the history of gaming electronics!
The article and topic is about MS, the 360 & the RROD and yet certain people just won't discuss that properly (for some odd reason) so they bring up Sony (why not Nintendo's NES or the Sega's Dreamcast?) to obfuscate and try to shift the focus about things that are nothing more than false opinion more than what is known & proven. But you are right in that it is a fool's errand because people hear what they want to hear and dismiss what they don't want to believe...
Think about it ~ Why is the focus on what I said, when I wasn't the one to bring Sony into this? I just pointed out who said what and that it was missing certain info (probably to make their opinion seem more valid). Why aren't those of you jumping on me not discussing more of the RROD, E74, it's own DRE & power brick issues specifically? I find that quite odd and very telling....but that is to be expected as usual and par for the course around here.
Lets say the PS2's failure was 100%, thats the PS2. And its not in competition with the 360, the PS3 is. Which doesn't have a failure rate of 1 in 2 as the 360 does. Its apples to oceans...
BUH BUH ps2!!! PS2's failures still have nothing to do with Microsoft's current failures as a company providing solid hardware. They want to pretend to be offering this amazing entertainment device. Yet they don't want to admit that it breaks 90% of the time. They have never released RROD statistics. Just claim its down as you take your next 360 into its coffin.
Microsoft had...
HAD...
working hardware for the Xbox1.
They went backwards in quality to rush a botched sub-prime console out ahead of sony's playstation 3. Its evident in its basic hardware design (power brick) Overheating, and DVD disc technology. Thats the fact. Hardware all has its failure rates, Microsoft went higher with their second console than their first.
Remember...
People buy cheap crap all the time.
it's the tightwad way. they exist the world over.
When you know that the hardware is the most prone to being faulty, and you can say "hmmm, well it's only $200", not only does that make you a sucker, it also makes you a tightwad yes.
Besides, Nintendo has the 2 highest rated games this gen, and Sony has the highest rated exclusives so your example fails.
*EDIT* Wait a minute, why did I even bother saying Sony has the highest rated exclusives? Just because it's true, doesn't mean I should say it, who the hell cares what Metacritic's failed ratings system says. The ratings from that site are so flawed it could be considered a Microsoft funded projected just for that reason alone.
So you've come to say you're very sorry
IIt won't happen again-forgive me?"
Time will not heal these wounds
And I'm bleeding because of you
Was everything we had just a joke?
I've run out of patience, tears and hope
Love does not conquer all
And I'm screaming because of you
Too late for apologies
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants I've begged for protection?
I'm freezing
Cold winter winds that chill my heart with sleet and snow
Not from the north come to this glacial abode
But from your dimension, cryogenic limbo
I'm freezing
I'm frozen
It's too late
And 3 yrs warranty don't exist outside states and few arias.
Rape me once shame on Bill.G,rape me twice.....
Logic fail.
sure is funny you ps3 retard fanboys on here are quick to "forget" sony's hardware problems before as well. i just got to ask.....most all electronic companies have released bum shit in their time, so what do you ps3 fanboys "prefer" for your electronics???
sony faulty consoles, ps2 and ps1, laptop batteries that EXPLODE. scratch them off.
so whats left for you droids then? since all you worship is SONY. the only thing sony has made so far thats worked any amount of time for me personally is the damn ps3....
tell you what i will NEVER BUY a sony cd player for my truck again, that was 500 bones wasted, fucking thing lasted maybe 6 months, mean while my kenwood thats over 2 yrs old still rocking!!!!!!!
next hdtv i buy wil be a samsung, why? because everytime i go and look at them the samsung smokes the higher priced bravia.
my point is this- sony really isn't any better of an electronic company than anyone else. actually their quality has went down, especially on their tv's. i don't know anyone that even mentions sony as "high end" anymore. i sure as hell don't.
I think you Xbots are forgetting that the PS2's fail rate was never as high as the Xbox 360. It's amazing how out of touch you people are. And last I checked, the 360 wasn't competing with the PS2. You guys can spin it all you want, but the Xbox 360 has the HIGHEST fail rate of ANY console EVER!
The failure rate was extremely bad, but sometimes it was the gamers fault. They left the Xbox on for too long or played it for too long. Or they left it in a enclosed place with dust or ontop of carpet. But, that still doesn't cover the overall failures.
But, while that is all true, Microsoft fixed the RROD and the fact that RROD are no longer seen in the newer models, pretty much says thay Microsoft isn't about to just let another mistake happen.
Sony has made some mistakes of their own, not as bad as the RROD, but still pretty bad.
We're not out of touch, if anything we just know better.
For Microsoft right now it's a, "If you fell of your horse, then get right back on it." situation.
Only Jackass Guys Like U Who Hav Problems With Ps1 and ps2.Ive My ps2 since it first released it doesnt hav no problems and I still play nowadays.Even though they hav problems they hav figure it out and solve it when they first got this issue.U guys just making it up to make playstation look bad.Ur just an M$ Fan its clearly written all over ur Bullsh***t comments.M$ shud hav done long this since the 360 got RROD but they didnt they watched us while we gamers continually spent bucks to fix the RROD they didnt solve anything until now.
Anyway, I've had 3 red ring but I was smart with buying warranties and haven't had to pay a single dime on a new 360 because the old one broke. I won't hesitate to buy their next system either because I'll buy it with a warranty just like I did the PS3. It's actually just smart consumerism....buy warranties on consoles and computers (unless you built it yourself of course)
But, yea the big bad microsoft doesn't care about fans even though they pushed the 1 year warranty that everyone else has to 3 to help take care of this issue people were having. That just shows a complete lack of respect for their consumer when a flaw in the hardware comes up....they should have reduced it to half a year or something
Edit: So they should have left it at one year? They tried to help the people having problems out by increasing to 3 years...I fail how to see that's a bad thing. They didn't do me a favor because I bought my warranties from Best Buy and just got it replaced. Just saying I never gave them any additional money of mine because I just got mine replaced if it had an issue. People are just sad in trying to tear down a console because they don't have it or like it.....do you get royalties from Sony or something? Come on people
with the 3 yr red ring warranty. a 3 yr warranty on electronic device was unheard of before this, and they only did it to avoid a nationwide recall. dont act like they did you a favor
1.rrod isn't bad because ms gave us a 3 year warrant sony didn't do that.(they did this to avoid being sued not because they care. if they cared it wouldn't of been a problem)
2.the 360 only scratches disc if your consoles moves it is your fault if it happens.(even though no other consoles do this when you move them)
3.i pay for live for that feeling of community(no you pay because you have no other choice since all 360 single player games suck and you can only play online if you pay)
4.odst is an expansion so of course it doesn't have as much content as a full price game(said when odst was said to be $25) odst is worth the price. it is a full price game it is not an expansion(said when odst was sold for $60) funny how it had the same content as when it was an expansion but cost $40 more and they convinced themselves it was a full game even though months before they called it an expansion.
and the excuses go on an on they are truely the most pathetic people in gaming ever.
edit: it is a sad day when people think just because they own all console they can't be a fanboy. also i ain't wrong everything i wrote was what 360 fanboys on this site have said. you keep telling yourself ms is looking out for you and i'll keep laughing at you.
I love my 360 as I love my PS3 and won't hesitate to buy the new one....I swear people need to read and not judge people. It's a sad day when I have to proclaim I have both consoles or I get called a fanboy or something stupid like that
Carry on thinking what you wanna think though...at least it makes life fun for ya no matter how wrong you are
you act like the 3yr extension was done out of kindness!, your just as delusional as the other Muppet's on here M$ wouldn't have done shit for you or anyone else they knew about the RROD from the beginning of launched and the only reason they extended anything was due to the fact it was either extend the warranty to replace the mess or a court ordered RECALL which would have cost the 2-3xs more than the 2+ billion it has already cost them. Of course M$ wants this behind them but will never leave there reputation people don't forget these things Ford, Toyota, Sony, Enron, BP... and this list could go on but you get the point all these companies had a big fvck ups(some worse than others) and for some to this day people still remember what they did.
Man, you need to get to the white house....get some things fixed with that intelligence. Did they screw up? Absolutely. Did they do what they could to limit the anger at them for the screw up? They raised the warranty to 3 years. Is it perfect? No, but do I care? No, because I ALWAYS BUY A SEPARATE WARRANTY FOR ANY CONSOLE....SONY, MS OR WHOEVER. Which is why I will buy the next xbox with a warranty and be happy.
I really do miss all the bubbles we all worked so hard to get on the old site.....oh well
Whatever, I'm gonna go play BC2 on my PC and forget about the consoles altogether for a bit..... :)
Please, even not owners of a PS3 are complaining about the worst technical failure in the history of videoconsoles, RROD.
Because they're not. And that's provable by just looking at the forums of this website. The site consists of 80% PS3 users, and in fact, the two you listed are very rare to come by on here.
N4G:
PC Fanboys - Arrogant
360 Fanboys - Ignorant
PS3 Fanboys - Arrogant and ignorant.
Wii Fanboys - Non-existant
It's pretty easy to tell when you see a PS3 fanboy.
still running beautifully, but coincidentally ive been through quite a few 360's since then. i think i was just unlucky. 360 is the only console ive ever had that didnt want me to own it
The new Slim 360s is proof of that. I figured the people on the fence about getting the a 360 would jump at the chance to get the redesigned version.
When you think of how over hyped the whole RROD thing was, it was a issue with the first two years versions of the Xbox 360, but I had a launch Xbox 360 and it was fine, I just traded it in when I bought a new 360s about a week ago.
Also take into account that Kellogs company is actually recalling 28 million boxes of cereal right now. Does that mean people wont buy that product when the replacement cereal hits the shelves? Of course not. Same with Toyota and there massive recalls. You fix the issues and move on. Looks like the general public has forgiven and wants to play some darn games.
Also the rrod isn't over hyped, everybody I know has had the rrod, and even my roommate who brought one home and turned it on and ten minutes later it rrod.
It is a massive failure and should of been recalled, don't act like the rrod wasn't an issue and wasn't wide spread.
Why is it that I, as a hardcore gamer with a huge network of friends with Xbox 360s, hasn't seen the same thing? I have friends who have had their 360s die on them, but most have not. Especially the ones who have bought 360s in the past 2 years.
All solid evidence points to the fact that the RROD was mainly a problem on the first batch of 360 (around 15 to 30%), which was later reduced to very low levels with the Falcon and especially the Jasper models.
Yes, of course the RROD issue has been exaggerated. How could it not be in this age of rampant fanboyism?
It's to late to put it to rest, you made a shi**y product that isnt going to go away everyone is going to always be skeptical of your products. You don't give a damn about your customers or consumers you want money like you don't have enough already. Learn to make hardware and care about consumers. We work very hard for our money and don't need crap products.
P.S - Get rid of Kudo Sunodo or whatever that fools name is, he wears those stupid sun glasses in every video it's unprofessional and it's not cool in anyway not to mention he looks like a freakin fly or some sort of insect.
I've had crappy Sony products (like a $300 DVD player that died on me after only two months of mild use), I've had crappy Apple products (like and iPod that died early), and I've had my PS2 die out on me and Sony refused to fix it. Having a product die on me does not mean that I will never buy a product from that company again. Most of the products I have bought from Microsoft have worked well for years (my original Xbox, my Zune HD, and of course all the Microsoft software I have used. Even my 360 has worked fine for over 4 years.
You sound just like another one of those fanboys of other companies that hates Microsoft out of irrational fanboy loyalty.
come on man, i thought sony loved their fans so damn much they give them charity. i mean come on dude, i mean sony is a business, but they're special, you see they're the only corporation that doesn't care about money.
they do it all for FREE for their lil droid fanbase. since i own a ps3, man i sure feel loved now, the hell with FAMILY i got sony!!!!! (ps3 fanboy thought)
END SARCASM
@el zorro
I'm talking about CONSOLES! Yes, M$ doesn't give a damn about you I'm glad you're blind to it cause it's ***Ignorant Tools*** like you who buy their crap. Good job fangirl. Thank god you're out of bubbles cause I would hate to hear your stupid remark.
Sony btw doesn't have a failure rate like M$ does of CONSOLES once again I'm stating that cause that is what I was talking about. Good god you're a douche.
I won't deny the early 360's were turkeys, but I've had more problems with PC's!!
RROD is 50-60% MS fault and the rest is the users!!! Besides stupid placement in entertainment centers or on a carpeted floor, there is one screw up too many console gamers make. They play for several hours then immediately shut down. then they come back an hour later and do it again.
Can I get one PC gamer to step up and say they play for several hours then immediately shut down and do that 2-4 times a day??
Hot-cold,Hot-cold, expansion-contraction, failure. Yes the early 360's weren't able to handle this abuse but the newer models can, to a point. All electronics will fail when used and abused by idiots! And you can lessen the chance of stress failures if you use your brain!!
Oh yea...this is N4G!
...if its proven they knew of the issue prior to the original 360 being released then they will have to extend the warranty well beyond 3 years for existing owners.
And this happens alot.
Not to everyone, but enough of a percentage it matters.
If my PS3 was to die, i'd be pretty pissed about it.
And i'm not sure i'd bother again. I cannot be arsed tbh no matter how much i like games.
If it never happened to you awesome hope it doesn't happen To anyone but to be ingnorant of the fact some people are on there third x-box proves your a fanboy if someone is angry that the console failed they have every right to rage and be pissed and talk shit hardware fails it happens but it should be rarely if your on third 360 and defend It like crazy your fanboy that's a real fanboy.
It's easy to say in hindsight that RROD should have never happened. Any idiot can see that. But what's obvious, though nobody wants to admit it, is that Microsoft has invested in the hardware and the problems that plagued the launch units haven't really been nearly as prevalent in the last 3 years or so.
When Microsoft moved to the smaller chips that generate less heat the problems started to subside. But to this day people keep on with the 33% to 50% of ALL units are defective, which we know isn't true. I could see 33% to 50% of the units manufactured and sold through 2006 being faulty. But that's 33% to 50% of approximately 8 million, not 40 million.
But the article is right about one thing. It's just become a meme, almost to the point of legend. And it's funny every time some idiot on an internet forum makes a fool out of himself by saying it. So go ahead and make us laugh, it's totally worth it. Just remember that nobody officially knows what the number is.