Tym Kaywork from Platform Nation writes: "In the gaming culture, there are two camps of gamers that make up the bulk of the purchasing power: Hardcore gamers, and Casual gamers."
What about the Hardcore Casuals You know, the ones who play one sports game every night but know of no other game.
their shelves containing nothing but madden, cod, halo and gta. they only purchase or show an interest in the most super hyped titles, playing something that doesn't have online multiplayer is like kryptonite to them. as far as they're concerned the gamestop shelves may as well be bare, all they want to know about is cod. i've worked at gamestop, people like that are the bulk of the customers. it's only the casuals and true gamers who ever expressed an interest in something besides the super hyped stuff. the rest only come out for the same 3 games each year. no surprise games are going casual, like the article says, casuals spend money. the people here who consider themselves hardcore, find every excuse not to support games. "it's only 15 hours, it's too short. no online, no buy. no relay value. i'll just rent it. i'll just torrent it." and so forth. a casual will think nothing of dropping money on every peggle, bejeweled, hidden item game that comes out. they don't worry about replay value or online play. they want it so they buy it. to me it seems like they're a bit more "hardcore" than the hardcores...
The only people that have a gaming Identity crisis are the ones with low self esteem. Gaming is fine, and will grow even more as it grows with every kind of gamers. Just embrace it, it is not bad. Duck Hunt, Tetris, Donky Kong, Pac Man, and many other games that started it all where all Casual games by todays standards. People need to get over this stupid crap.
good question, i dont know the answer but what i do know is hardcore 360 gamers well game on the pcs now that ms are focused on causal these ms fanboys will probz game on GFWL to give there un dying support
Casual gamers do not fully beat their games, while the hardcore search for 100%.
A gamers is a gamer. Enough with all this separatist bullshit. I've talked shit and will continue to do so, but after playing Alan Wake, I see the errors of my ways. Good games, casual or hardcore, are still good games. And they are why we play.
These days casual seems to mean either stupid enough to buy any shovelware or crap developers hand you or easy and watered down enough for anyone to play. Nintendo and Sega of the past used to have games that still provided a decent enough challenge so not to be simply labelled casual. But the modern hold my hand, don't scare everyone away,'family friendly',point arrows in all directions so you won't get lost games seem to suggest everyone is stupid. That a normal person can't figure out that you have to aim for the monter's eye or walk down a hallway or use a tool. Mario's biggest challenge is finding the stupid purple coins or stars that you missed the first time around. Mario 3 was challenging without having you to search every little space to find every last coin or star. So the way I see it there was no casual or hardcore really. Nintendo drew that line themselves when they started to make these types of games. Sony still holds the torch by providing games that appeal equally to gamers e.g.Sly Cooper.
I play the Sony big 3 (God of War, Uncharted, and MGS). My FPS of choice is Killzone 2. I still await a 2k football game because madden is so unrealistic an animation-driven. The only racer I play is Gran Turismo (I'll be in line Nov. 2nd). I'm no Batman fan, but Arkham Asylum is awesome and I'm waiting for 2. No offense to Xbox 360 ( I'd absolutely love to have Mass Effect and Gears, but I consider myself hardcore Sony.
Competitive "hardcore" gamers(Besides Fighting Gamers) only play on PC because if you were truly hardcore you'd care about things like speed and accuracy with the best online possible. In korea they hold starcraft tournaments, the people who compete in those tournaments, they know the game inside and out. These are "hardcore" gamers. 99.99% of N4G are not "Hardcore" gamers. Before this huge "casual" thing started, gamers didn't claim to be "hardcore." Gamers were gamers. Just because these casuals roll up and become mainstream gamers didn't become "Hardcore gamers." I hate the term "hardcore," and the people who claim to be "hardcore." People who proclaim that they're "hardcore," are not "hardcore." Console gamers, and PC gamers, are gamers. Casuals are those people who only play games like wii-sports, GTA, MW2, Madden, Halo, flash games, Farm-ville etc and don't really fit in the "gamer" culture. You know who those "hardcore" people are? The guy with 26,000+ hours on CS. He's a "hardcore" gamers, and he's very skilled and knowledgeable about that game. But I'd much rather spend those 26,000+ hours on hundreds of games and not just one or two, because I'm not a hardcore gamer. I'm a gamer.
Bubbles to ya as well! My take; Casual gamers are ALSO (in accordance with your definition) those who play MAINSTREAM games (like Halo, etc). They want to play the 'latest' & 'greatest' thing. This is why games like CoD 4/MW2 will sell soo many copies and games like Operation Flashpoint:DR will get severly overlooked. Heck most people will prefer CoD4/MW2 over any Ghost Recon game now! Casual Games = ANYTHING that's easy to PICK UP & PLAY. Hardcore games = ANYTHING that takes time & experience to develope skills to play.
There's no such thing as "casual" or "hardcore" games. They are just games. You can call them easy or hard/difficult games but casual/hardcore doesn't really make a whole lot of sense in that context.
Hey shikwan, check this out, I will use Starcraft 2 as an example... Starcraft 2 is a Hardcore game because it take time and experience to develop skills to play. Starcraft 2 is a Casual game because it is easy to PICK UP & PLAY. People who label gamers as hardcore and casual are wrong and have no idea what they are talking about, sorry.
Saying there are no casual or hardcore gamers is like saying there is no such thing as race in this world. We want it to be true but you can't deny the fact that some people just are different and can accurately be labeled as such. The bigger issue these days when it comes to gaming is not between casual vs hardcore but between fanboys and true gamers, the latter being those whole play games just because they're fun and don't pledge allegiances to certain platforms.
there's three kind of people that play games : The Hardcore = People that only play competitive game. like:COD+HALO+SPORTS GAMES+anything that they can compete in The REAL Gamers= That Play all sorts of games and enjoy them for the experience. like:MGS, Yakuza, Alan Wake, all sort of games.... The non-gamers = that only buy stuff that appeal to them as fun and think that games are just made for fun period. like: party games. so face it if you enjoy games and believe that they represent more then just (GAMEPLAY) or (FUN) then you're a REAL Gamer. other than that you're a leach to the gaming community. PS: please don't give me (Games are made for the gameplay and the fun) cuz gaming evolved to a form that can give you every emotion there is so yeah GAMING GREW OUT OF "JUST" GAMEPLAY AND FUN TO A TOTAL EXPERIENCE SO EVERYBODY SHOULD SHOW GAMING SOME RESPECT.
I feel it's a sales thing too, if the developer keeps difficulty limited then it will attract a wider audience, more sales and ultimately more money for the publishers.
I am a traditional hardcore myself (platformers, RPGS, fighters, sports, all genres, all consoles no bias.) But then there are other variations like: Fratcore= mostly stuff that involves blood, boobs, cursing Casuals (casual core= strickly casual party/mini/ music games PT gamers= gamers that play just part time Fad gamers= gamers that just fad games PC gamers= strictly PC and PC syled games
that was a joke right? Labels are for kids, and you realize as you grow older, that they do not matter. Just reading your labels hurt my brain.
I think it all comes down to what the definition of a "hardcore" or "casual" game is. The definition that seems to be more prevalent today is more in line with the ESRB rating. Most people will say that if I play Gears or God of War that makes me hardcore. But in actuality, those are just "mature" titles. On the other hand, if a person plays Mario Galaxy 2, it makes them casual? To me, hardcore and casual gamers are defined by the amount of time spent playing games.
Didn't you read what I said before. There is no casual or hardcore. Was the original Sonic hardcore or casual? What about Megaman? Sly Cooper? Super Mario Bros.3? You played these games along side the shooters, sports and fighters without even blinking an eye. These games were made for everyone and everyone played then. Nintendo is the one who created the casual label and filled it with simple minded, shallow,'family friendly' games. They gained the trust of the people too naive to realise what they had become by sacrificing the people who enjoyed their games before. That is what casual means in most developers minds.Stupid enough to buy any garbage that looks and plays like we made it during the weekend.
Casual Gamers: buy what ever is in the 15 commercial rotation, most time it's a game that requires NO SKILL to be good at, has no learning curve, and even may be so broken that a veteran player will get pwned by N0obs but is fun enough to play with a bunch of friends for an hour a day. Hardcore Gamer: Wants total quality and a sense of realism in their games. Top notch graphics, sound, control, game play, atmosphere, and etc. They want games that require Madd skillz to play and finish and rewards you for putting in hours of play to hone your skilz. Hardcore gamers don't buy crap but will faithfully support your series no matter how many sequals, prequals you make as long as the GAMING EXPERIENCE is great. Hardcore gamers will skip work, go without sleep and bury themselves in front of a game until mastered. PC Elitist: We are just like hardcore gamers except we have hardware that allows us to get the best possible gaming experience possible. We want everything a hardcore gamer wants except we require and understand bleeding edge technology as well. If the developers made the game running at 1080p 60 fps 8xAA 16xAF Tessellation HBAO lighting max settings well that's how we are gonna play it. PC gamers don't compromise and expect tomorrow's games today with superior developer quality and the game optimized to run on our hardware. We require complete control over the game and the freedom to tailor fit the game to our specific needs or hardware. PC elitist will play a great game for years. Counter Strike is played by millions of people still every day. Casual, Hardcore, PC Elitist in the end it's all about a fun well made game that make you happy when playing.
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