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Submitted by hardcorez 1499d ago | article

I’m A Christian, Guerrilla Games Care About Me

GamesThirst writes, "Get a grip folks, the best selling titles of all time have no swearing in them….. You don’t need that. I applaud Infinity Ward for what they accomplished in Modern Warfare 2, a game that had only one F-Bomb – the last scene in Afghanistan.
So do it devs, you won’t lose. In fact you’ll gain more than you think." (Industry)

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LordMarius  +   1499d ago
I read the article and I have no idea what it has to do with Christianity
BakedGoods  +   1499d ago
Profanity...
...as if swearing was a sin in Christianity? Lame.
movements  +   1499d ago
Real, born-again Christians don't swear.... They shouldn't.

Not all who say they're Christians are; remember that.

People will see I'm this, but their lifestyle doesn't match up....
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drdistracto707  +   1499d ago
I sorry but this just made me laugh, literally... and loudly
UnwanteDreamz  +   1499d ago
So the creator of the universe cares what word I use for penis? That sounds insane on so many levels.
specialguest  +   1499d ago
I see profanity as simply harsh words, and I see no difference between profanity versus "cleaner" words used to replace profanity, since the ill intent to damn someone is still there.

Screw you! = F*ck you!
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duplissi  +   1499d ago
nowhere in the bible does it say to not say: shit fuck ass, etc.
cuss words evolve and change within a society and what one person finds offensive another might not. saying something like this sucks or this bites used to be considered swearing... i found this out when said that in front of a 95 year old lady.

this is what the bible says: eph 4:29 "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen"

so basically swearing is tearing down others insults and degrading language and not the individual words...its about what your saying not how.

@movements
i am a real born again christian and i try not to "swear" but i do on occasion. i try to be conscious of what i say and to whom, because you dont know when you may offend someone. to say someone isnt a christian simply because they say certain words is just a little arrogant and judgmental.

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

edit: thats a good point specialguest.
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BattleAxe  +   1499d ago
F*** You GamesThirst, I want swearing in my games! I feel that as a non religous person that I'm under attack.
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PoSTedUP  +   1499d ago
@ specialguest- yeah but damning someone is a lot differetn from just saying "Oh S***". as long as i dont use it directly at them, or curse them, ima say f*** s*** etc. all day lol.

@ battleaxe- "im a atheist and geurilla game dont give a 's***' about me" LOL jk

its hard to believe there is only one "true" religion since the system of religion is so corrupt. who ever the creator is, if any, cant blame me for not "picking" one of the hundreds of thousands of religions. i believe in a higher power, but i am also a good person without Jahovas witinesses or buddah or ahla or any other god. i think me and "mysterious power" are on good terms to be honest.

on topic- i like my war games REALISTIC, so a war game with a bunch of "oh i dont sware" panzees isnt going to cut it. i want badass americans holding big f****** guns in my war games! enough said.

the hypocrisy here is that were talking about being a cristian by not swearing in a VIOLENT BLOODY WAR shooting game. LOL
ok im done by the way infamous is SICK, just bought yesterday.
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tplarkin7  +   1499d ago
Swearing isn't high on the list of sins, but...
If you're trying to be a saint, then you shouldn't swear. Swearing is losing control. Swearing also doesn't mean anything. It has the same meaning as a grunt.
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   1499d ago
You are not supposed to offend, that's the spirit of the law. In the end, these are just words. If no one was ever offended, maybe it isn't a sin? Then again it no one was ever offended, no one would use it?

I'm not offended so I don't care. The f bomb root meaning is to hit. So saying you'd hit it literally translates to...I'd f/ck it.

Doesn't sound so bad when you think of it that way, does it?
SaiyanFury  +   1499d ago
Wrong place to post...
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Sanzee  +   1499d ago
Jesus Loves Guerrilla Games
PCnPS3Gamer  +   1499d ago
sighhh
whatever, damn Christians trying to change everything....imo christians are the biggest oxymorons, hypocrite's, i have ever encountered...let people live they're own lives and if you dont like something dont play it watch it or do it dont ruin it for the people that dont fucking care whether rico says cunt pussy ass shit rug muncher and so on as long as i get to break helghast necks steven segal style on a jet pack i dont give 2 shits you fucking whiny high horse christians that think your so enlightened cares. christians are just another breed of fanboy but instead of a gaming platform its a religion.....if you find yourself a christian and hating everything maybe instead of trying to change everything, why dont you just ignore it and go on with your boring christian lives, and if you cant do that maybe your religious beliefs are in question. simple as that.

fun fact the 100 years war was feuled by christianity and religion i wonder if they swore while getting stabbed in the stomache with a long sword, orlike six arrows in the nuts....

another fun fact whether war is between two races, or two religions it is harsh.....which means expect swearing, steven segal style neck massages, kicks to the uteris, disembowelment with spears other barbed weapons etc.....war is brutal, get used to it cause it's not changing anytime soon...

oh yeah christian fanboy, i think blogging might be a sin, you know cause computers werent mentioned in the bible so they must not be used right just like dinosaurs.
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PCnPS3Gamer  +   1499d ago
12 disagrees yet...
no one has told me why they disagree. so predictable of Christians. when you throw logic and science at them they tell you your wrong and then immediately stick theyre finger in their ears and go la la la la la la....

also ask a christian why there are different races in this world you will literal start looking through mental hospital brochures to recommend to them haha....

also @ below in war it is usually never justified and there is always some hidden ulterior motives.war isnt necessary its just way of life, human life that is...

@below awesome zeitgiest is my religion..i love the logic in what they say. also i love how they pwn Christianity. lol

when i think of christians or any religious people for that matter this is what comes to mind lol

wow after reading parasomething somethings comments and saying to myself damn couldnt of said it to myself better then all these disagrees, i came to this conclusion lol to many people on this site either love fairy tales and knowing the answers to everything even if it is extremely illogical, or they still live with their parents and havent grew a pair....im sorry but i will never believe in religion until i see some good ole logic. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE N4G BUT DONT TRY TO TELL IM THE STUPID ONE FOR BELIEVING THAT ILLOGICAL NONSENSE....

ALSO MAN UP AND DONT BE SO PASSIVE AGRESSIVE....para i 100% agree with what you say i lived with christians and some of the answers they game me were fucked and i knew it so i watched zeitgiest and i was like boom there goes the christanity beliefs....

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GeneralCole  +   1499d ago
Good to know somebody is actully intelligent on this site

Going back to read On the Origen of species
Sheikh Yerbouti  +   1499d ago
The cause of war is greed and a scarcity of resources. The secret thing is the human mind is not rational - there is no ideal perfect conclusion. The human mind reasons, and whatever it wants becomes ideal and perfect as a result of ad hoc reasoning. Religion is a convenient reason to get what you want and rally people to your cause, but in a world full of atheists there will be just as many wars if not more.

This simple truth along with postmodern thought has shown that humanist and scientific rationalists like yourself are no worse than the religions they prioritize themselves over. Derrida's deconstructionism shown that when the fringe upsets the center they usually take on the same social politic it despised the center for in the first place. By your own rhetoric, you show yourself as much a zealot as Ned Flanders.

Such people I've found become atheists as a reason to enhance their own self-esteem, at the expense of the faith of others. Because like I said, we're not rational. Popper's logical positivism isn't safe from Heisenberg's principle. There's natural limits to your knowledge and so-called rationality.

I'm a Christian, and we're to respectfully share our beliefs. We are also supposed to respect the beliefs and customs of others. In the end of the day, God himself will have to make his own case. Just don't be too surprised when he shows up.
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fitzgerald69  +   1499d ago
Dude, I can tell you that God created you in His image out of love, that is a most natural fact. Loving God is not a religion, it's a relationship. He loves you no matter what you think of Him, and I sincerly hope that before it's all over you come to know Him and fully understand what it is he did for all of us in sacrificing His son, Jesus Christ. So, as a believing gamer, I can choose what to buy and play, and I simply don't play the explicit games, no harm no foul. No need to bash us brother. It's just depressing that entertainment mediums think they have to include vulgar language to be entertaining, which is not true. I took my son to see Transformer 2: Revenge of the Fallen and had to apologize to my son for the language, for a movie geared toward kids, not cool. Appreciate your time man.
SaiyanFury  +   1499d ago
Good points, Fitz. Bubble up, brother.
atticusflinch  +   1499d ago
For what its worth
Faith, in my humble opinion, is the purposeful abdication of doubt.

I am not religious. Probability is the foundation of science and I find myself erring on the side of this principle while maintaining a respect for the preferences of others (I don't always have to be right or possess all the answers).

The existence of a God/Goddess being is not probable. However, it may be just as improbable to think that human beings can know, with any degree of certitude, what lurks beyond the edge of our limited perceptions (quantum theory in itself fills me with near metaphysical wonderment). I suppose this makes of me an agnostic due to an inexhaustible skepticism, even in human nature. A life based in probability is not as easy as I once believed it could be.

My world view is not comfortable with “absolutes,” even those that revolve around abstract ideas of “perfect accuracy.” The Atheists I have encountered often and ironically exhibit an abiding sense of pure faith based merely in donut probabilism, which strikes me as lacking in honest logic. This is not unlike their religious counterparts, as both purposely abdicate doubt in exchange for an absolute and unyielding belief, separated only by a sliding scale of likelihood.

In another twist, many Atheists are sometimes given to proselytizing their views, not unlike the religious with similar proclivities. In my experience this is not an altogether uncommon and amusing irony. Extremism, whether it’s secular or spiritual, finds favor in some more than others.

In conclusion, both Atheism and religion are faith based examples of belief systems overriding both internalized and externalized doubts.

How does this relate to gaming? Shut up, turn on and play.

Turn down the volume if the game box has a big M on it. With shooters how much are you missing. I love a good FPS, but they remind me of Playboy magazine. I've never bought the latter for the articles nor the former for the dialogue. If this gimps you too much, find another hobby.

edit - I loved both Zeitgeists films as well.
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ThanatosDMC  +   1499d ago
Which is worse: virtual swearing or killing virtual people in war you have no idea why you're fighting for?
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The Great Melon  +   1499d ago
I read the article and was thinking that too. Not only are you killing people, but if you also read some of the back story of the Killzone universe you begin to feel a little disgusted by the ISA.
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ThanatosDMC  +   1498d ago
Just Rico alone in KZ2 made me feel like the bad guy. He wasnt that bad in KZ1 but then again he barely talked.
DamonTheMoney  +   1499d ago
Thou shalt not swear > Thou shalt not kill

I'm a Christian, and I've got my priorities straight.
Anon7349  +   1499d ago
I know isn't it hypocritical of this "Christian."

He cares soooo much about swearing in videogames but he doesn't even understand that the whole point of the game is to kill other living creatures.

Seriously, this is why I'm not religious(That and the fact that there is no solid evidence to believe in any sort of supernatural being).
JsonHenry  +   1499d ago
Last time I checked "thou shall not use foul language" was not on the list of 10...

And when Jesus was asked which of the 10 commandments was most important he didn't even mention any of the ten commandments. He just said love your God and your neighbor. (Luke 10:37)

This article just got pwned.
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fitzgerald69  +   1499d ago
Commandments
The overall theme of teh Bible is love, it's mentioned over 700 times in fact. If you truly love God, all of the rest will fall in place. I guess I'm just really taken back by the hate on these boards for God, and by proxy those who are in Christ. There are those of us who don't buy the games with the foul language and explicit content, and I can assure you I enjoy gaming as much as anyone. But for those who either don't understand or are just generally ticked off for no reason to lash out makes no sense and let me just say this, if everyone were to follow the 10 commandments, man, what a better world we'd live in. But I can assure you, one day, every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.
iceman06  +   1499d ago
@fitzgerald69...
I think that you, and other Christians, are suffering the same fate as the Muslims. You are basically held as equals to the crazy, extremist views that permeate our media. Extremists are the people use religion in attempt to justify actions, thoughts, and behavior patterns that are far from the intent of most religions...which is basically a universal love, caring, and understanding of all things big and small on this earth.
In the end, nobody really knows what is to come. Some have faith in their convictions, while others are still searching for something to justify what goes on in the massive universe. Whatever it is, be it God, Allah, Buddah, Shiva, or a shoe (lol)as long as it honors what should be basic human principles (truth, love, charity, etc.) and does no harm to others then to each his own.
menoyou  +   1499d ago
this was clearly written by some atheist retard and the title was for hits. these people have no shame.
NYPunkster  +   1499d ago
To all the Christians in the house
My gift to you.
http://video.google.com/vid...
duplissi  +   1498d ago
what is that?.... some bull like that zeitgeist documentary?

edit: @jsonhenry

do you know what purpose the commandments actually serve?

"No one will be declared righteous in [God's] sight by observing the law; rather, [the purpose of the commandments is to reveal sin!]" (Rom. 3:20)

the commandments serve to show you your own sin and in turn why you need god, because no one can follow them... NO ONE CAN.
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AAACE5  +   1499d ago
Please stop with all of the religious articles!
If you are that religious, you shouldn't be playing games... you should be buried in the bible! Otherwise, there are games about religion, they just aren't much fun.

Most things that are fun to do don't involve religion! It's a sin, so you should probably stay away from games. Just playing games breaks several sins, so people shouldn't complain about it!
HighDefinition  +   1499d ago
I think GG cares about all the gamers out there.
enkeixpress  +   1499d ago
Alrighty then.

... Who cares? :D
PyReX-  +   1499d ago
All of this religion crap shouldnt be involved with games.
It's a GAME.
PSjesus  +   1499d ago
Yeh they DO
your beloved Jesus.
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Colonel-Killzone  +   1499d ago
Ignorant article. This article is stupid on so many levels. You do not have to be christian to dislike cursing period. Second tons of christians curse so IDK wtf is going on here lmao. And third there are plenty of religions that do not like cursing or don't condone it should I say. Kinda stupid that they aim at christians alone. Also killzone has a lot of blood and guns in it so Cursing is not really important. The problem was Rico cursing in situations where it was not needed.
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PoSTedUP  +   1499d ago
that wasent a problem imo (rico randomly cursing). people curse everyday for no reason at all, like me in a normal conversation LOL. so i just think it is realistic to have different personality's in vid games, ones that use random foul language etc.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1499d ago
Lol at Rico
Well, Rico have some serious issues, looks like he have a neurological disorder with Coprolalia.

GG said they will reduce significantly the bad words in Killzone 3
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Supman  +   1499d ago
No cursing owns!
TH-TH-THIS OWNS!
Take a que from gurrila rockstar.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1499d ago
This Christian don't have to worry about Killzone 3.
Silly gameAr  +   1499d ago
wut? Didn't GG already say they were toning down the swearing for KZ3? What's the point of this again?
LtSkittles  +   1499d ago
I don't think they did it just for Christian demographic that's buying their game. You can have a great movie without over-the-top swearing/violence, but you can also have a great movie with the right amount of violence, and swearing. It's the same with games.
coolasj  +   1499d ago
I SWEAR This Article Was
posted once over a year ago. I really do. Its a repeat and i have no idea how this got approved.
LtSkittles  +   1499d ago
That was about a different company.
Supman  +   1499d ago
__-
I mean we really don't need swearing.
i mean do you actually want it?
Parapraxis  +   1499d ago
F**k yes I do, as people in times of war...swear. It's called being in touch with reality.
Sunny_D  +   1499d ago
Then why are censoring it? Do you really want to curse? If you don't think it's offensive, then say it without the censoring.
bjornbear  +   1498d ago
considering the word "fuck" has more applications in the english language than almost any other word
yes....I do, since it adds more flexibility to the language.

the idea that swearing is a "uneducated" use of the language is wrong nowdays.

anybody swears, so as long as its done imaginatively and in a good heart, i don't mind.

people are just too sensitive nowdays
KILLERAPP  +   1499d ago
All religions as the same or enlist try to achieve the same thing, wherever your from and whatever you believe, you have the right to believe in something even if you believe that God does not exist you have the right, where all just looking for something…
Somnipotent  +   1499d ago
religion and video games don't mix... in fact, religion and human nature don't mix either.
atticusflinch  +   1499d ago
While open to debate
I am intrigued by your statement, especially the latter half. What do you mean? I realize some would say religion is actually a component of human nature, but I am simply curious how you contextualize the direction you are coming from.

I am not religious at all, so this isn't a the first stage in a strategy of derogation.
AliTheBrit19  +   1499d ago
Ugh

Christian

What a dirty word.
rulakir  +   1499d ago
I agree, people don't need profanity to enjoy videogames.
I'm also a christian, and I have been playing games since the early 80's. back in those days we played good games and those games did not have any profanity in it. Mostly everyone here does not understand because to them is just part of their everyday lives to use profanity, some or most of these gamers nowadays will use 9 out of the 10 words they speak everytime in a sentence. I mean, what the heck is that? Is there such a need for that nonsense? Do people or gamers on this case really need to use such foul language? And for those people who think the Bible is a fairytale book you are only fooling yourself. You will see on the day millions of people vanish off the face of the earth in an instant. Laugh if you want, that only shows how ignorant a lot of you are. Look I know this is not a religious site, but I'm trying to agree with the person who wrote the article. It's just that some people are plain stupid and ignorant. the point of this is that we DONT need profanity in games in order for them to be good.
Colonel-Killzone  +   1499d ago
We don't need violence in video games either but we have that don't we ? Regardless of cursing or not they are free to add it or remove it honestly. Cursing is usually use to express how annoyed or mad a person is feeling. We have games with tons of bloods gore etc. I think if they add that there is nothing wrong with adding cursing least in my opinion.
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LtSkittles  +   1499d ago
Well, I think about this way, the bible also says that you should love thy neighbor, and God loves everyone, no matter what right? I am not going to tell that Christianity is a lie, or that you should stop drinking the kool that Priest hands out, and I will never tell how to live your life, and I think that christians should do the same thing, but if doesn't go anywhere, then I won't argue.People do things differently, and that's what makes them interesting. I mean look at Lady Gaga, I definitely would never do any of that stuff she does, but doesn't mean I would tell her not too.
Panther52799  +   1499d ago
you have hit on a very important topic there skittles. free will is the greatest physical gift God gave man and you are right, we should all respect each others ability to exercise that free will. very nicely said.

oh, and a bubble for you haha
vickers500  +   1499d ago
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Pozzle  +   1499d ago
People might not need profanity in video games, but it certainly helps make the games more realistic. If you're in the middle of war, I doubt you'll be worrying about politeness and clean speech.
Supman  +   1499d ago
@rulakir
I agree 10000000000%
wit rulakir.
DJexs  +   1499d ago
not swearing does not equal christian.
gamingisnotacrime  +   1499d ago
christians sure like to get attention
back to gaming
rekof  +   1499d ago
What I dont understand why should we Christians care what the fuck people say or do to us,.. Or even what they think of us,.. This shit is stupid,.. And yes I agree with

specialguest
I see profanity as simply harsh words, and I see no difference between profanity versus "cleaner" words used to replace profanity, since the ill intent to damn someone is still there.

Screw you! = F*ck you!

Though when I say fuck you,.. I usually Never really have that intent in my heart,..
Plus how I understand God by now he choses Who He will save,.. is saving,.. There is nothing really you have with that,.. Every goodnes and your works are like dirty rags to God,.. Why we should not sin so much,.. Is because the shit hurts us,.. Maybe not at the same time,.. but it comes around,.. I recently almost died in my puke,.. So I now some shit Ive been doing,.. was destroying me ,.. and really dont want to die in so much pain,.. (well got so sick I begged God to let me die,..)
rulakir  +   1499d ago
By the way; real christians do not use profanity. It's in the Bible man look for it you will find it there. That does not change the fact that many so called christians use profanity thus making the rest of us look bad. Most people are oblivious of biblical teachings aside from stories like David, Joseph, Moses etc..
and so will never understand our way of thinking.
DJexs  +   1499d ago
Everything in the bible should be taken literally.
rekof  +   1499d ago
yes but that is between me and God,.. And my repentance ,.. So ,.. I think you are right,.. but usually that can lead to hubris ,.. an you start getting proud in yourself,.. and start judging ,.. In a way hating world around you,.. We for now are still have fizical bodies,.. Don't say one who acts good and Is actually good by biological nature,.. Has any more chance of meeting and believing in god than some fucked up soul,.. that is broken by the spirit and repents,.. And I truly believe God will not judge people who re covered in the blood,.. though they might fail ,.. many times,..
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Orochi Avlis  +   1499d ago
I'm not trying to get into a discussion about personal beliefs, but what gets me is the logic that this person uses.
It's alright to kill people as long as you don't swear.

Think about it, what's worse? Taking somebody's life, or using a word that we collectively as a species deem as a swear? It's a double standard.
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rekof  +   1499d ago
It is the same, bro.. Sin has no somehow intrinsic value to God who Is Holy and perfectly rightious,.. But then again I think you can do a lot of stupid shit in your life and be saved,..(I think its far more likely,.. to be broken and repent) And do great things and be Mother theresa,.. And you re fucked,..
-EvoAnubis-  +   1499d ago
What? You mean an M rated game has profanity? No way! Next thing you'll tell me is that there's profanity in R rated movies.

Here's an idea; don't want to play games with profanity? Stop playing M rated games! Weird idea, I know.

Also, am I the only one amused that while the idea of spending 8-10 hour virtually shooting, stabbing, and blowing up human beings is apparently acceptable, the concept of hearing the 'f' word a few times is totally over-the-top?
Kyur4ThePain  +   1499d ago
Riddle me this
Who goes to "heaven"...

The serial killer who repents on his death bed, or
the man who lived a kind life but doesn't believe in a god?

"Get a grip folks, the best selling titles of all time have no swearing in them" - then go play them and stay away from games that have profanity in them. Fcking easy, no?
chad22hkd  +   1499d ago
uhh dude no offense
but killzone is about war!?!? I don't think any war game is very christian like. I agree that killzone's cursing was pretty tasteless. But I think they did that, because they wanted it to feel like a war game. But you should probably stick with wii games. Or something like lbp. I just don't see how playing any war game is very christian.
theonlylolking  +   1499d ago
Dang why so much hate towards Christians?
Kyur4ThePain  +   1499d ago
Because this is a gaming site.
We don't really want to discuss religion, race, sexual preference or politics.
BannedForNineYears  +   1499d ago
So true Kyur.
Gaming = getting away from most of that stuff.
dizzleK  +   1499d ago
i'm a practicing cthulhu cultist, respect my beliefs guerrilla.

where does it end?
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2h ago - “Valiant Hearts” is a smaller game made by Ubisoft that feels very indie, like “Child of Light” o... | PC