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E310: New Xbox 360 Destroys Disks When Moved

"Destructoid's" Video of a New Xbox 360 damaging a DVD game.
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DelbertGrady  +   2062d ago | Well said
That sucks...
I love shaking my console while it's booting up the games. I mean what if I want to be able to take it with me to the kitchen while waiting for the game to load? I know I'm not alone with this.
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ingiomar  +   2062d ago
Nooooo i play all while walking around in the kitchen all the time i want my 360 with me!
WhittO  +   2062d ago
OR, maybe when you take it downstairs from your room to watch something with your family ?

Its ridiculous that it STILL does this, really MS, why didn't you fix this?

Guess that shows its mostly still the same inside since they only overcame RROD by adding more vents/smaller processor (less heat produced)
GrieverSoul  +   2062d ago | Well said
I know you guys will eat me alive on this one but sometimes I move my console to replace some cables on the back of my tv. Sometimes I do it while its on but not on purpose. Sometimes I do it while a game is paused. Thank god my PS3 doesnt scracth or destroyes my discs.
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SillySundae  +   2062d ago
This + Kinect
I have my x360 in a pretty sturdy cabinet.
I hope me jumping around won't cause too much shake to do this.
Conloles  +   2062d ago
Why couldnt it have been Call of Duty or a game worthy of being scratched.
Imtey  +   2062d ago
That was quick...
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Christopher  +   2062d ago
Screw moving it while a disc is loading, reviews have said it still sounds just as loud as the original. Why couldn't they at least fix that? Couldn't we have gone without touch-sensitive buttons and gotten a few more bucks thrown at reducing the sound?
presto717  +   2062d ago
That sounded like a freaking bomb was going off.

lOL. MS will always be MS with all their little quirks like scratching disks and flashing lights.
table  +   2062d ago | Intelligent
This is frightening for the 360 with Kinect actually, I never thought about this until now. I remember a UK Watchdog program investigating Microsoft for the 360 scratching discs and it found that the cause was from vibrations, possibly people jumping, or even walking near your xbox if you have a slightly damaged floor.

These Kinect games are all about movement, lots of jumping, stamping and running. I would bet that there are going to be loads of reports of scratched discs as a result of Kinect even with this new redesign. This is a serious disaster in the making for Microsoft here. Infact, I challenge one of you bloggers out there to make an article on this because it'd be a very valid important read.
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jjacinto23  +   2062d ago
the point is
why they didn't solve this problem?........ you saw the guy move it because he wants to see it standing and guess what nobody told them not to move it till the guy guy moved it? how come?so u can't blame owners of SCRATCH some people didn't get the point of this at all
RedSky  +   2062d ago
The fact there's so many disagrees here shows how much of a fanboy site this is.

This looks terrible, no two ways about it. If you're a 360 fan you should be annoyed at Microsoft for not fixing it, not disagreeing with people who aren't sheep.

Sure you wouldn't exactly plan to walk around with a 360 but imagine you decide to move it and forget the disc is in there. Bam, scratched disc.
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-Alpha  +   2062d ago
This was a stupid thing to do and it was done purposely. Why would someone do that? If you nudged the 360 slightly and it ate your disc I would understand and blame MS but how can you blame MS when you purposely TILT the damn console?

I mean, it's on a disc tray, what do you think will happen?

Anyways, the disc tray should have been ditched, but why anyone would do this is beyond me. I suspect a desperate attempts at hits and trying to cause controversy all over again.


But this wasn't a real test was it? He purposely tilted the 360 to an unreasonable level where one would expect something wrong to happen. If he tested the breaking point of when the disc scratched I would have been more concerned but this was done, I swear, for flamebait purposes.
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RedSky  +   2062d ago
And yet virtually no external CD/DVD/Blu-Ray disc player in recent memory has not had this problem.

Go figure huh?
RedSky  +   2062d ago
No way that's unreasonable. Unreasonable would be shaking it or dropping it on the ground. The guy just tilted it. Again, other disc readers just don't have this problem.

On the whole I don't think it will blow up into a huge issue anyway, but it is a blatant design oversight. I'm sure people will disregard the warning and then find their discs shredded.

It's like how with most digital audio players (ie iPods), if you just yank out the USB without safely removing it from the taskbar it's generally fine even if you're not supposed to. Whereas with a few players from certain manufacturers there's a chance you'll fry the device. That's kind of like the 360 now.
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Hideo_Kojima  +   2062d ago
@whitto oh pleaseeeee
If you take it downstairs you will most likely switch it off because I doubt you have a long enough power cable or a small enough house to move it around rooms without unplugging it.

In which case the disks won't be damaged because its not spinning while your moving it.

Not a big issue but who knows the other problems may still be there (overheating)

@RedSky you think this is a 360 fanboy site? I am a PS3 fan and very loyal to everything that comes from Sony but some of the guys here make me feel sick (talking about the droids). This is not an issue. Acting as if you care about a thing like this on a flame bate article is what is pathetic.
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DaTruth  +   2062d ago | Well said
I said it here before and I'll say it again. This tech has been mastered for so long, you would have to go out of your way to find a DVD drive that scratches disks!

MS loves when your disk gets scratched and you're forced to buy a new one and then they get to say: "We sell more games than Sony!"

Sony doesn't sell us the same game three or four times!

Some of us have small children who try to get our attention by messing with our console while we're playing. I don't want to lose a game everyday... because my console being moved literally happens to me everyday!
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RedSky  +   2062d ago
Never said that, I said this site is full of fanboys, 360 and PS3 alike. It's pretty obvious, just about every news item that's along the lines of 'my console is better than yours' gets over 1000° and is a menagerie of sandy vaginas.

I only have a PC, honestly I'm completely indifferent. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
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Hideo_Kojima  +   2062d ago
Sorry I misunderstood your point of view.

Oh wait if you live in LA and there is an Earth Quake every single person in the area who is playing a game will have to buy it again :P
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Noctis Aftermath  +   2062d ago
And the problem with the disc tray shows it's ugly head once again, they should of went with a disc drive like the PS3 slim.
exnihilonihilfit  +   2062d ago
@ Alpha
He clearly did not intend to break the game, he just wanted to see the system upright. You can hear in the audio he had no idea that was going to happen, he was shocked when someone told him not to do that.

I've moved a regular Xbox before while the disk was in and that didn't happen.

I've had this happen to me once before, and that was with a PS2, but only when it was literally dropped at high velocity because my nephew got his foot wrapped in the cord. This guy barely tilted the damn thing.

This is clearly no mere oversight, the thing has a warning printed on it, they knew this was going to happen and didn't do anything about it.
ThanatosDMC  +   2062d ago
What scratches the disks though? It couldnt be the laser... something must be bulging out.
Ult iMate  +   2062d ago
For the comparsion' sake.
PS3 doesn't give any scratch to the disk even when dropped at a side.
Xbox Vs Ps3 Disk Scratch Test
rkimoto  +   2062d ago
Oh come on dudes, Why would you want to move an electronic equipment while turned on AND running a disc?

I'm all up for testing stuff, but common sense dictates that this was unnecesary, I would be better informed if they did real tests (like power consumption, heat distribution, noise levels, etc)
Spydiggity  +   2062d ago
could the ps3 fanboys please go away now? can't you troll some wii articles or something for a change?

i have owned the same 360 since day one launch. never had to repair it, never had a problem. and never ONCE has it scratched a disc. people are just stupid and don't know how to take care of their toys.

when you're driving a car, you don't hop into the backseat while it's moving and try to drive. then when the car crashes, you blame the manufacturer.

you don't stick your hand in a moving table saw or on a heated frying pan then cry about faulty tech.

just stop being morons, and your discs and system will be fine.

yes ms should have built the system a bit more sturdy, but that's no excuse for stupidity. people just hate accepting responsibility for ANYTHING. it can't be your own moronic actions that lead to the problem...had to be someone else.
sikbeta  +   2062d ago
God Damn, this problem again, why MS didn't Fixed it, people is not really that careful, so this problem must be fixed...
ReservoirDog316  +   2062d ago
Well, it probably wouldn't survive an earthquake here in california.
pustulio  +   2062d ago
This is gettin a shitstorm by PS3 fanboys.

You guys are all stupid only retarded people move their consoles while they are reading a disc, even if it's a PS3.

Common' disagree we all know you will, retards.
Ult iMate  +   2062d ago
@ rkimoto
>>Oh come on dudes, Why would you want to move an electronic equipment while turned on AND running a disc?

You know, shit happens. And when it does, you'd be thankful you have a reliable hardware.
Kevin ButIer  +   2061d ago
One word... Lame
Even 90s discmans could handle a disc properly... its not That important as many of you stated but is pretty absurd for a 299 redesigned console...
Convas  +   2062d ago
Sigh, I feel your pain Soda. God knows I love making hot, passionate love to my Xbox during the loading times. /s

Gosh. Are people STILL this stupid? You DO NOT move your Xbox while it is reading. YOU DO NOT! How long has the Xbox 360 been out, and people are STILL struggling with this. Pathetic.

Also, if you want to move your 360 S while you play, INSTALL the GAME.

Ha Ha, you know what, let me just sit back and watch this get blown WAY out of proportion. I expect nothing less from the denizens of N4G.
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Al Bundy  +   2062d ago
I can move my PS3 while a disc is playing and nothing happens. Blame MS for their shoddy disc tray that don't hold the disc in place.
ArcFatalix  +   2062d ago
we can move ps3 big deal
shows cheap manufacturing defect
CoxMulder  +   2062d ago
I've moved my PS3 while it's reading a disc multiple times, mostly when I need to re-charge the controllers while playing. (short usb cables be damned!)

Thank god something like this doesn't happen on PS3..
crck  +   2062d ago
Its because just about every if not all other disc-based video game system locks the disc in place while its spinning. Its just ridiculous MS still hasn't fixed this.
kneon  +   2062d ago
While I see no need to be moving your console while you're using it I still don't understand why this problem even exists. I can move my laptops around without issue, are they using the cheapest DVD drive in existence? Even a cheap $20 portable CD player doesn't scratch disks while walking around with it.
toaster  +   2062d ago
I can pick up my PC, open the case, inspect it, and move it around while playing a disk.

This is pathetic actually.. 5 years into the generation and MS still hasn't learned from mistakes.
hay  +   2062d ago
Actually this happened only on Xbox as I recall. Did similar things with DC, GC, PS1(though those two hold disks firmly, no tray), PS2, PS3 PC and some DVD player, no problems.

My Falcon Xbox did similar thing to my GTA: Episodes From Liberty City, though the damage wasn't as serious as this.
DemiT  +   2062d ago
This is so weird
I didn't move my ps3 with a disc in the slot but it stil scratched my Linux.
No warning label, even.

Thanks a lot, Sony.
*shakes interweb fist*
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Bloodraid  +   2062d ago
Well; seeing as this is the new model. About a day.
jerethdagryphon  +   2062d ago
disc scratching explanation
thantos the scratching is caused by the design of disc drives

in short you have an outer casing and attached to that is the interface board, the hardware chips of the drive,

built on top of that over a layer of thin shielding is the mechanical parts

consisting of the head with the laser and the drive bay and spindle

when a disc is loaded the spindle rises and lifts it clear of the disc tray so the laser on its track and read the disc.

the head of the laser is only a few microns above the disc surface on a thin cushion of air.
if the disc is jostled without shock proof tech, the read head/laser remains high and the spindle bounces the disc shattering the air cushion and leading the hard glass lens to gouge the softer plastic of the disc

hope that helps.

btw shockporoofing basically adds a sensor to tell when its not level it lowers the head so it cant hit the disc.
Pennywise  +   2062d ago | Well said
Its easy to shrug it off when you accept subpar products. 5 years later and they are still using a disc tray... but I am sure this is okay with you, Soda. Its MS!!

You guys act like this isn't a problem and it is. I was all excited to play Gears2... my friend brought his XBOX up and the stupid 360 ate his disc before we could even play. Sure the console shouldn't of moved, but it did and the game was worthless after a quick jolt.
maddhatter617  +   2062d ago
yeah they seem to have just accepted that poorly made hardware is fine. it really is sad how fanboys will defend any and everything with this company.
bruiser81  +   2062d ago
What I found troubling is that the expressed no outrage, it was a simple (i won't do that when i get my new 360 hahahaha) Its gamers like this that MS sees no reason to fix this problem.
kancerkid  +   2062d ago
How is this a story?
Yea flip over an XBOX while a disc is in the tray, disc gets damaged and some how is is MS's fault? Really?

What happened to common sense?
edgeofblade  +   2062d ago
Gotta agree, even as a long time Xbox fan, not only did Microsoft botch the presser, this was my first gripe about the new 360: "What? No slot loader?"

After Sony's outing today, the clobbered Microsoft and Nintendo.
fmprodguy  +   2061d ago
I hear ya, I shook my DVD player while watching a movie, and it ate the disc...

We should sue.

animboo  +   2062d ago
not to be biased or anything, he wasnt shaking the console on the video, he just wanted to moved it vertically to stand..Watch the video first before commenting and defending.
Mike134nl  +   2062d ago
Too be fair the sticker on the front side did mention do not move the console when it's reading the disc. Some people should learn how to read.
mushroomwig  +   2062d ago

What about the people at home? Are they supposed to leave notes for family members to make sure they don't move the console?

It's easy to put put a warning in a situation like he was in but it's very different at home. I'm half expecting another Watchdog report in a year or so regarding this.
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animboo  +   2062d ago
A sticker?.
But in the first place it shouldn't have been an issue to begin with. Accidents do happen and if that accidents cost you your game then you should be mad at the maker of that console. Its just sad that a lot of people put up with this and even defend it when they shouldn't because company wont learn and just give us piece of crap if we the consumer don't mind it.
animboo  +   2062d ago
yeah a warning/sticker
holy..double post..
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Moentjers  +   2062d ago
such a sticker is only to avoid law suites and warranty issues.

to me it means that they were well aware of the problem !
KingME  +   2062d ago
Are you guys serious
What type of moron would actually move any disc player while it is running. Most optical drives with disk trays will do this when they are flipped while the disk is spinning. The drive is using simple magnetics to hold the disk down.

As usual though, the local PS3 crew shows the tenatious desire the hate and jumps all over this. I haven't seen one of you blame the idiot the flipped the console while the disk was spinning. Why not you ask? Because that would mean you wouldn't be able to blame MS.
duplissi  +   2061d ago
no offense dude but last time i checked it was common sense to not move a console or device while it had a spinning disk in it with a laser mounted 1/16in or less away from it..... just saying....

plus why are you moving a home entertainment device anyway? you dont cart around your blu ray/dvd player or your cable box, so why your xbox?

in fact i learned this with my ps2 back when vice city came out.
GWAVE  +   2062d ago
No big surprise here. Microsoft put out a nice, new, flashy hardware design, yet in the end it's still built by Microsoft.

Prediction: it'll take 6 months after 360 S's launch for the "slim red ring" reports to start pouring in.

Oh, and your conference sucked, Microsoft.
Al Bundy  +   2062d ago
I'm sure MS programmed the failure lights to be a different color with the new Xboxes. They can't flash red again.
gumgum99  +   2062d ago
yes, to a nice purple color. Just like Kinect! ^_^
Reibooi  +   2062d ago
Now I get what people are saying. That you don't move it while it's reading. I 100% agree with that. However the fact that it still destroys discs if you do it makes me worry if it will randomly destroys discs when you don't even touch it.

If it does then it proves MS has learned nothing.
poopface1  +   2062d ago
its not that it was moved
THE GUY FLIPPED IT OVER COMPLETELY. The same thing happens with any disk TRAY, this guy was an idiot.
corneliuscrust  +   2062d ago
dont try talking sense into these fanboys
They wont listen.

Hey... when I threw my ps3 at a wall, it ate a disc!@! WTF SONY
commodore64  +   2062d ago
YEah hmmm

Seriously, how dumb are people?
There is a sign on the front of the console saying NOT to do that.
So what does he do?

I am thinking that guy flipped it over on purpose, just so they could make a nice story to get hits for their website.
Bloodraid  +   2062d ago
@Poopface1 [1.6.1]
You're wrong. I have never heard of another console, DVD player, blu-ray player, or anything that uses a disc drive scratching discs when moved.
mantisimo  +   2062d ago
@ commodore
Moving a console like this when its loading a disc must happen all over the world all of the time, it's a very easy thing to do while putting something on a table or pushing in a cable etc.

Microsoft MUST know it does this otherwise there would be no sticker.

This I find disgusting as if you complain about a scratched disc,

"Oh I'm sorry you must have tilted the console slightly,well there is a sticker,..... dear me, perhaps you could buy another one, have a nice day now, bye bye"

What next more stickers on the side "do not move your body like a voodoo witch while playing kinect games, it might make your console implode and has occasionally caused a small black hole to appear, which is very slightly dangerous"


My kids have knocked their wii over and bashed it a lot and never a problem, hell when my youngest put coins in the disc slot and it ate Zelda, Nintendo sent them a brand new disc.

I have knocked over both my xbox and ps3 but luckily nothing happened but if this is known and is a problem at this stage in manufacturing(which it very obviously is) then it's just not good enough, especially when the guy in the vid just moved it slightly over, shoddy Crap.
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chitownzown  +   2061d ago
You all are telling me
that if you are watching a movie on a laptop with a disc loader, pause said movie and take the laptop to another location the exact same thing would????? Highly doubt it. What about an old school cd player? again I doubt it. Be serious guys
Wikkid666  +   2062d ago
I carry my 360 in a back pack while mountain biking down Mount Kilimanjaro...
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DevilsJoker  +   2062d ago
I've knocked my console over by accident when it was standing vertically before and it scracthed and made unplayable the game i was playing, just because i was carrying stuff and didn't step high enough over it.

You'd think they'd fix that, i was so angry.
MNicholas  +   2062d ago
Bad news
Seems they're stil taking short-cuts.
poopface1  +   2062d ago
Thats just stupid, flipping your console while its on.
Who flips their console up sidedown when its reading disks. What a MORON. He says "he had no idea that would happen." Rally? Thats like flipping your computer over downwhile its reading a disk, or anything with a tray.

Whitto, WTF. When you move your console from room to room its NOT PLUGGED IN AND ON. THIS MORON FLIPPED IT UPSIDE DOWN WHILE IT WAS ON.

Ive moved my 360 while its on and my games never got scratched. I did not ever flip it over like this guy tho.

eDIT--- AHAHHAH WHATS NEXT....DURRRR I dipped it in water and now it doesnt turn on.
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Hell-Reaver  +   2062d ago
he didn't flip it upside down, look again. he moved to to be in the vertical position, 90 degrees right. to stand up and have the disk tray at the top, just like in all the pictures. All systems I've seen other than xbox 360 don't have stickers saying don't move while disk is playing. ps3, pc drives, there's no stickers like that.

i work in the computer industry and haven't seen a dvd/cd tray drive that couldn't be moved while spinning for years! I've moved my pc around while playing disks, on either side, upside down, right side up, no scratching, no gravel sound.
poopface1  +   2062d ago
yeah he didd that WHILE IT WAS ON.
Your not supposed to do that WITH ANYTHING with a tray like that.

If I put my PC sideways while A DISK IS SPINNING IN IT, guess what, it gets messed up.

There is a reason there is a STICKER that says "DONT MOVE IT WHILE IT ON." For morons at DESTRUCTOID.
Scotland-The-Brave  +   2062d ago
"Who flips their console up sidedown when its reading disks"
I flip my ps3 from horizontal to vertical while playing blurays and films all the time, its the only way my surround sound optical cable will reach and i dont get any scratching or grinding sounds
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PCnPS3Gamer  +   2062d ago
ummm maybe someone who owns a ps3 and is not used to shitty hardware.....360 owners who brag about there system make me sick. i dont mind if you like playing the 360 but dont ever compare it to my ps3....cuz i will rape you with pure facts and specification details..and ull give me pr bs that you heard from aaron greenburg.

you guys sound like you work for ms PR cause seriously everybody moves theyre console while it on well maybe ps3 owners do. moving a console while its on only seems stupid when your using the 3fixme...using any other device its not a problem and is done quite frequently to move cables to make space for people trying to get by and theyres chords in the guys spin so much im surprised you can even type considering your probably seeing double right now...idiots....i wish ud all get a brain over night and learn how to spend your money wisely....
kneon  +   2062d ago
Yes flipping a running console is not among the brightest of things to do. But why is it that it's only the Xbox that seems to have this issue? My laptops don't have this problem. My in-car DVD/CD players don't have this problem, and I like to take corners as fast as possible, and speed bumps are merely an easier means of getting airbourne :) My daughters $20 boom box can be carried around without problems. Cheap CD "walkman" type devices don't have this problem.
Rekyyli  +   2062d ago
PS3 only owners have the most problems with this. Wonder why? Can you guys tell me?

*Checks the site´s name*

Oh yeah. Well can´t really blame them if they are used to fvck their console while playing games.

"It only does everything", makes sense.
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Rekyyli  +   2062d ago
Put your kilt back on and try harder.
DaTruth  +   2062d ago
360 fanboys have the least problem with this. Wonder why??? Can you tell me?
Rekyyli  +   2062d ago
Well pal, last time i checked playing games doesn´t require tilting ur console or your pc tower.

Now you can tell me why PS3 fanbois have problems with this.
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Noctis Aftermath  +   2062d ago
It's probably because MS included the cheapest possibly DVD drive which doesn't even secure discs in place to prevent things like this happening, i mean it's a DVD drive, how cheap do they need it to be? i'm sure if they spent another 20 cents per drive they could of gotten one that secured the disc in place....

Warning or no warning this sh1t is outdated tech and shouldn't even be used, but of course you fanboys will defend MS to the grave screaming "BUT BUT THE LABEL!!!"
Rekyyli  +   2062d ago
The disc tray should be better yes, but tilting ur console while it´s on is beyond me. There´s no need for that. What i find amusing is that PS3 only owners care this so much. Guess they are tilting the PS3s all day long. Sony should put the Move inside the PS3 and add tilt beyond -label, because in this thread tiltin ability of consoles is the next best thing since sliced bread.
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JumpNPlayBon  +   2062d ago
Upon further observation

I've concluded that you are an IDIOT. How is this acceptable to you? If I was a 360 only owner I'd BE PISSED at MS. They had the chance to right a lot of wrongs with this. They could have shown that they can make a great RELIABLE product that we the consumer can depend on for the rest of this gen, which is another 5 years according to them.

To CONTINUE making it COMPLETELY obvious that saving a few dollars here and there, AT THE COST AND INCONVENIENCE OF THE CONSUMER, is sicking at best.

There are plenty of DVD/CD products that show how NOT to scratch while in motion. Of course no one should be moving it while in motion, but what happens when it's done accidentally? No big deal?

I was REALLY looking forward to this new version, as my last 360 has just RROD providing the perfect timing. I DESPISE MS, but I don't want them to fail, I want them to change FOR THE BETTER for US, the consumer. Are profits THAT low? has the mortgage for your 5th vacation home gone up? How about the little guy PAYING for all YOUR crap?
pangitkqb  +   2062d ago
I'm surprised Microsoft did not Fix this during the Redesign.
Now, most people don't move their console when playing. There is typically not much point in so doing. However, my tenant and I have both accidentally bumped his 360 while playing and it is in an entertainment center. It scratched his copy of Halo 3 pretty bad.

Interestingly, my 60 gig 360 CAN BE MOVED while playing a game and it doesn't have this problem. Weird. Anyway, it really is just too bad. My Wii doesn't do this and neither does my PS3.
catguykyou  +   2062d ago
The original 360 does this too......
Parapraxis  +   2062d ago
And all that it takes to fix this is a couple of small pads.
Which would run the cost up of the machine by oh...roughly 5 cents (if that).

This "technology" has been around since the bloody discman..that's 1984.
Seriously disappointed that they didn't address this issue. And no, slapping a sticker on the machine is not addressing it.
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Dee_91  +   2062d ago
this suck for anyone in earthquake prone areas ...
and i can recall having to move my playstation while playing alot so you can shove that " why would you move it " crap

they need to fix that tho
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candystop  +   2062d ago
He shook it around and dropped it so what do you expect lol. Then we never even saw the disc being inserted which is suspicious. These guys are on a mission to hate on MS.
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monkey nuts  +   2062d ago
What video did you watch bruv? Cause the one in this article all he did was slowly tilt it, maybe 60 degrees at the most. Its a stylish looking redesign though, just wish I had waited as I bought a new arcade unit last month cos my 20g launch model rrod for the second time (out of warranty though this time).
Strikepackage Bravo  +   2062d ago
This is incredible
this story has been completely overrun by Sony roaches, its infested with them, there is absolutely nothing here for a PS3 only owner, yet we have an infestation of these roach like pests shooting off their mouths because they are upset the 360 is now superior to PS3 in both software AND hardware. LOL!!!
Dee_91  +   2062d ago
i never saw a xbox only owner reply to a ps3 article .../ sarcasm
corneliuscrust  +   2062d ago
It's not that the PS3 brigade are in this article
or a FEW articles...

they rampage through EVERY article making sure everyone knows how much they hate MS. No matter what the content of hte article is.

N4G is a complete mess because of this. Way to go guys. That's how you build a great community.
ImmortalLegend  +   2062d ago
Are you guys serious?
This is getting blown out of proportion. Why in the hell would you move your game system anyways while it's on, yet alone reading a disc! This may be a flaw, but is it also a flaw that my PS3 Slim makes the most annoying popping/cracking noise while it's on like every 10-20 minutes? I find that to be way more a problem for me than me being a dumbass and moving a system while reading a disc.
SonyOwnsNextYear  +   2062d ago
This is not new at all. 360 has done this since november 2005
so much for this being improved hardware.
outrageous  +   2062d ago
~~FAKE~~~ need a blade to make that scratch...Listen carefully at the pathetic...

Never had scratch problems, of course...I don't move my consoles let alone turn them upside down when they are playing. That goes for my Wii and PS3.
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j4gs14  +   2062d ago
did u not see the game loading and then the screen turn off when he tilted the xbox? and he wasnt trying to mess it up, u can tell how he was shocked when it made the noise he almost dropped it.

why shouldnt he be able to tilt it with a cd in it? its designed to stand both sides.i could do that with my ps2 with the cd in it!!
Independent_Charles  +   2062d ago
monkey nuts  +   2062d ago
Good job with the apple Jack tune.
unless your a facking impostor ofcourse.
Independent_Charles  +   2061d ago
why thankyou and im the reall deal lol. you dont have to do what your mum says anymore
PRHB HYBRiiD  +   2062d ago
my forza 2 disk was owned when i moved the xbox by accident. xD
DatNJDom81  +   2062d ago
they are a plague. I have mixed feelings on this. I never move my console while im playing. so why would they do that? unless your have to disconnect some cables or something. at the same time, he barely moved it and it SCRATCHED the disk. REALLY??!?!?! why would u buy a console that has this issue?? I just dont get why people buy into the xbox brand. its incredible how the xbox fanboys defend this. I usually laugh at you guys, but now I see your fanaticism is on par with the nazis. scary stuff.....
secksi-killer  +   2062d ago
soda lol have a bubble
now i notice all the "its pathetic" comments are coming from the usual sony fanboys. but after watching that video, how anyone can sit there and say that that guy did not go looking for something bad to happen is beyond me!!!! he blantantly wanted something to happen then!

that was a really cheap attempt at looking for some hit getting crap!
DigitalAnalog  +   2062d ago
The REAL problem is in the design.....
A "stand-up" design for a disc tray makes it more feasible to lose balance when moved. Many homes here in Hong Kong are small and they usually put their consoles below their TV's or even under an open desks. Heck my friends 360 just fell over simply because someone pulled a power cord accidentally.

Imagine that scenario with THIS updated console... that's another good game down the toilet. What if this game was rare or difficult to import? I don't mind losing my console but games are a totally different story.

As a designer, you must ALWAYS try to test different scenarios and accidents to ensure stability within your product. There is no defending this... the lack of quality control shows - a "do-away" with the tray is A MUST feature. Better yet, the default stand design should be horizontal and not vertical. It's NOT a bloody PC!

-End statement
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PoSTedUP  +   2062d ago
@ redsky- of course this site is filled with fanboys, get use to it. (ps3 fan here)

@ sedski killer above- so because he did the EXPERAMENT means this would never happen to someone else? do people have ANY reasoning anymore? do yall not see the point behind the article? the problems still do exist. and if i owned a 360 i would just get use to it because MS are not fixing $***.

on topic.

but even though im a ps3 fan that dosent mean that what i say twards the 360 illogical.

i recently had my ps3 lying down, i had to stand it up because the top vent was to close to my cable box and it was suffocating and getting hot, if this were the 360 it would have scratched my disc, just saying. they also lied by saying that it is "wisper quiet" reports are saying that it is just as loud as the old one.

not hating the 360 because it is a good console, just calling out MS on their bullcrap.

@ DIGITALANALOGUE above- yeah i agree the stand up on the 360 is bad because it is light and it is also a thin rectangle strip at the bottom. the ps3 is oval which gives it proper support. but the scratching of the discs should have been fixed a long time ago.
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fr0sty  +   2062d ago
so, if your dog knocks over your 360 when you're playing it, say goodbye to your game.
RayMustang  +   2062d ago
Oh my god please
It's not only a xbox 360 that rip disk like that

It scrap disk, cuz of the physic of spinning and a lil deviation the disk twist a lil while spinning so it scratch

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PoSTedUP  +   2062d ago
@ RayMustang
no the ps3 dosent scratch, i dont know about the wii but i doubt it scratches discs, i would have herd something about that. and no MY laptop dosent scratch my discs when i tilt it. you must be new here lol. or just havent been paying much attention to the things that go on around you.
corneliuscrust  +   2062d ago
any time a disc is spinning
There are risks of damage. How high the risk depends on the mechanism.

Even sealed, BOLTED hard drives have spinning discs and are OFTEN damaged by being moved.
FFXI101  +   2062d ago
It did not happen to
My PS3(Slim), I brought my PS3 to work one day and while I was playing it, I got a phone call so I got up and try to answer the phone.

I tripped over the core and wire. My PS3 fell from top of the tv(about 4 feet from the floor)
I thought it is done for, but to my surprise it was still running(I had MW2 in it). I didn't have any problem after that day(I still own the same system and playing everyday)
Heisenberg  +   2062d ago
Bottom line:
This shouldn't happen.... Shoddy hardware from MS, big surprise.
Jazz4108  +   2062d ago
You guys deserve your precious install station. Get out of this article and go download some more updates to your firmware as that's all my ps3 seems to do is download install then download and install and maybe if I'm lucky 30 min later I get to my game. Sure is next gen of ya sony even my ps2 played games as soon as I put them in . I don't mind a brief install but these half an hour installs havegot to stop before sony gets a dime more from me.
Heisenberg  +   2060d ago
What 30 minute installs?
What are you talking about you fool?
vhero  +   2062d ago
My major problem with this is if somebody knocks the 360 or if you stand it on its side and it falls over from a nudge? Say goodbye to your £40 game.. Blu rays are scratch proof baby this wouldn't happen on a ps3..

I lost 2 games in the past on 360 due to the scratching and they looked exactly like this on the vid.. Never happened on any other console including Xbox 1 and PS2 which both had DVD trays.
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Roozium  +   2062d ago
@ whitto
Eeeh? How the fuck are you suppose to take it downstairs when the console is still plugged in? The 360 only scratches it if it is IN MOTION and the disc isn't in motion when the power is off. Get your shit right, fanboy.
kparks  +   2062d ago
LMAO i love how they put a sticker on the console so now if u do happen to move it there not liable lol and to all the people talkin about taikin it in the kitchen and crap stop being dumb u just saw all the guy wanted to do was stand it up what if your dog or sumn knocks it over??.. WHY DIDNT THEY FIX IT... O WAIT THEY DID THE STICKER!!!
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twostep18  +   2062d ago
o wait they did, sticker!!
Snakefist30  +   2062d ago
This Guy is an idiot!!!!!!
kparks  +   2062d ago
the video
what if i farted and it fell over LOL then what im out 50 bucks HAHAHAHA i like how the guy is like(is there really a sticker on there) lol
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Denethor_II  +   2062d ago
What if its standing up and then falls down?
kevnb  +   2062d ago
my old one did the same
didnt even have to move it.
evilmonkey501  +   2062d ago
My pc with a disc drive tray doesn't even have this problem...Ive tilted it SEVERAL times as I had a crappy video cable/video card connection problem for quite a while. I used to tilt my pc every day to unplug replug, unplug, weird. I heard its because they save .03 cents (really .03 cents per box) by omitting the rubber grommet that surrounds the read laser...bummer.
pixelsword  +   2062d ago
To be fair, not too many people move their consoles like that.

But to be cautious, sound from speakers could shake the console slightly to cause scratching.
MorganX  +   2062d ago
I don't like the fact that in this day and age, a new Xbox is scratching disks. But anyone who thinks this wasn't staged is a fool. Just happens to pick it waay up while it's spinning to load Alan Wake, ensuring it would be spinning at full speed just in time for the fud taping. Come on.

No one picks up the console while it's spinning up a game, but that's still no excuse for the problem. If the console was $149 OK. But at $299 no way.
MEsoJD  +   2062d ago
an earthquake doesn't happen while playing this sucker.
amigaman  +   2062d ago
I guess playing DDR MAX on 360S is out of the question?
Method  +   2062d ago
Oh Microsoft, will you ever make a product that isn't defective garbage?
ShadowCK  +   2062d ago
LOL Soda. Bubbles to you matey.
quadalupeupe  +   2062d ago
If this isn't fixed how do we know RROD is fixed?
there's been reports of Falcons getting RROD and those are 1-2 years old, Jaspers getting RROD are rare but also a few there
SantistaUSA  +   2062d ago
Isn't it funny that the camera does NOT show the whole picture? Look, they did it on purpose, also they take the disc out of the console but the cam does NOT follow the disc, how can we tell that the console really damaged the disc?
XactGamer  +   2062d ago
Dudes :D it's a game console not a freaking IPod. What is real freaking funny is that there is a warning sticker on front of the 360 and he still moved it. "ALL" consoles come with warnings about moving it with a disc in the tray.
NegativeCreepWA  +   2062d ago
How hard is it to not move your console while its turned on?
tplarkin7  +   2062d ago
Engineering for Natural Behavior
The best design takes into account our natural tendencies. I don't know what it would cost to enable tilting the console while the disc is spinning, but it really should be done if possible.

At least the machine still works, though.
Redlogic  +   2062d ago
who cares?
MegaPowa  +   2062d ago
I love how the sony fans eat up Grieversoul's comment (sigh). this barely a issue just don't move it while its loading and stuff i know you guys Just love to do your morning jogs while playing the 360 but just don't
RedDevils  +   2061d ago
well That what
Last gen is all about :)
Game13a13y  +   2061d ago
some of you are missing the point. its not about moving the console around while playing, its about alittle bit of something called "Quality" something MS surely never heard of.
xOohSoSiKWiTiTx  +   2061d ago
obviously the guy cannot read the simply instructions that were written on the front of the drive: "DO NOT MOVE CONSOLE WHILE DISK IS IN DRIVE!!!!!" That simple! Who moves there console while there is a game inside of it anyway? Unless there some dumbass who trips over the power cord...knocking the console on the ground!!! lol
syanara  +   2061d ago
if it scratches that bad then Vibration alone can probably cause some big damage over time and also means that you cant go from the horizontal to the vertical standing xbox while it's playing at all which some people might not realize when they buy this xbox without any kind of BIG warning label. IMO the point here is that nothing scratches THAT bad when it's moved that I've seen other than this and that means that vibrations through out the floor might ruin your disc over time. I hope they fix this some way or another.
thewhoopimen  +   2061d ago
agreed... lame
As someone poignantly mentioned, Kinect will be about hopping skipping and jumping around near a 360. Having such a disc drive.... is such a bad design decision that you have to wonder how MS missed this detail. My feeling is they did it on purpose.
Philaroni  +   2061d ago
I think people are freaking out about this too much, it is one thing if it happens when it is just sitting their but when you move it or shake it? Not something your suppose to do anyway.
hobokiller  +   2061d ago
Can see how this would be problem with Kinect.
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morkendo  +   2061d ago
my sensors indicate this is the same bullsh't 360 before. will robinson showed a video of brand new black 360 can STILL scratch games. my analogy is to proceed with EXTREME caution DANGER!!,DANGER!! an alien wanna-be 360 is approaching i will use electrical force to hold him back SHHHHHH-KORR-ACK!!! did Dr.smith pay MS to build this unreliable machine?? they both unreliable.
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Imadoki  +   2061d ago
lolz at soda's sugar coating damage control
Sneak-Out  +   2062d ago
that´s remind on the old Xbox360
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   2062d ago
Epic fail, starting Day 1 from MS.

Was impressed, but now that happens. Same bad hardware, probably will scratch the disk even when you don't touch the console, like the previous consoles.
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BulletToothtony  +   2061d ago
come on MS stop using $1 disk trays already.. would it kill you to use good quality parts once in a while..
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TheHater  +   2062d ago
That disk is totally unusable now. I hope people learn their lesson from watching this.
NY_State  +   2062d ago
Yeah don't by products made by Microsoft.
greatjimbo78  +   2062d ago
Buy, it's buy. If you're going to Troll, at least learn to spell words correctly.
tatotiburon  +   2062d ago
wow so blu-ray discs are shaking proof? lmao
krisq  +   2062d ago
More like...
...scratch proof.
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tatotiburon  +   2062d ago
lol so if i shake my ps3 with uncharted 2 running the game will be fine?
Pennywise  +   2062d ago
Future proof.

Edit: Have you ever seen how tight the PS3 packs its disc in tray? Between that and the scratch protective coating, I think it would be fine.
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krisq  +   2062d ago
Yeah, I did it by accident and there was some noise but disc was perfectly fine after. Not a scratch.
TotalPS3Fanboy  +   2062d ago
Funny thing is,
you do this on the PS3 and the disc will be fine.
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theonlylolking  +   2062d ago
Its skratch proof to an extent. I move my PS3 while playing games and no scratches or mess ups. I never move my 360 while a disc is in it or turned on. I turn it off first then move it just in case.
NY_State  +   2062d ago
Shake proof? I think you meant scratch proof and yes they are.
PS360PCROCKS  +   2062d ago
Haha nothing is scratch proof I've learned this! I once believed this til I met my sisters kids. Every blu ray she owns looks like the kids took sand paper to it. I didn't think it was possible either
SonyOwnsNextYear  +   2062d ago
the discs are scratch proof and very resilient when FORCEFULLY DAMAGED
though you can and might damage the bluray drive from shaking brutally.
amigaman  +   2062d ago
In the video's case, he just moved the 360s, and scratched it.
Arnon  +   2062d ago
They're not scratch proof, as I've seen them scratched up at my local Movie Trading Company, and they become useless if they are actually scratched. They're scratch resilient, and they have to be due to this fact.

The Xbox 360 is running a DVD in a disc tray with a 12x drive constantly spinning. If anything, this sort of thing is bound to happen with most products that use a tray, and most of them tell you not to move it while a disc is being read.
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Consoldtobots  +   2062d ago
I had my dog run behind the TV while I was playing a game, PS3 went flying landed upside down the floor, the game didn't skip a beat and the disc didn't have a scratch on it.

go figure.
DatNJDom81  +   2062d ago
Go ahead and shake your PS3 with Uncharted 2 in it and see if it scratches. If it does let me know. It might take alot of shaking for that to happen though, so good luck. If you do manage to get Uncharted 2 to scratch, put the rest of your PS3 games in there and do the same thing. u will be doing the PSN community a HUGE favor. At the same time, you can come on here and post how PS3 scratches blurays and put the pics up too. Then your bubbles will go up from all the 360 fanboys here and you'll be the happiest N4G user alive.
Heisenberg  +   2062d ago
First off nobody shook the 360
The disc got scratched when he began to tilt it upright, something I do with my PS3 while the game is on all the time. It's not like there were any forceful or violent movements in this video, he was simply moving it upright, in a tame way. So to answer your question this most certainly would not and does not happen on the PS3, nor SHOULD it on the 360.

Honestly in this day and age, to have a disc tray/hardware that will instantly destroy your expensive games upon any movement of the system is unacceptable, why would anyone defend this, it's not in your best interest, as a consumer, to tell MS you're ok with it, when we all know this is completely preventable. It just drives the point home further that MS hasn't learned their lesson about cutting corners in the hardware department, why? Because kids keep shelling out mom and dads cash telling MS: "Go ahead! Fück me in the ass, I'm part of a subculture that idolizes corporations, as if they are an entity that will love me back"
thewhoopimen  +   2061d ago
It would be fine. First of all the bluray disc wouldn't be free spinning like that in the console. 2nd, the scratch coating on the bluray discs can withstand razor cuts.
enkeixpress  +   2062d ago
Finally.. Before, We had these "executive xbox guys" who were treating it really carefully on those unboxing videos but We've got people who play & mess around with it now.. lol

That's exactly what we need to see. Now, we can see how it really peforms given enough pressure & knock-abouts :)

It's only a matter of time until kids & minors get it which will only show us more of it's faults, if there any more :D
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mrv321  +   2062d ago
Why, do you intend to move the console while playing a game? Do you life on a boat?

The reason for not buying this is to see if they RRoD... which Microsoft actually got rid of the symbol for it happening.

$299 FOR THIS? Isn't that the same are the PS3 slim? Might aswell get that.
silvacrest  +   2062d ago
for most people they will move the console by accident or just to move some cables about but the results will be the same, a coaster

fanboyism aside, MS should have fixed this known issue
mrv321  +   2062d ago
I'm not defend Microsoft in any way... because well it's me. If you don't buy a 360 slim don't make one of your reasons the DVD scratching.

You could put it down to
-Lack of interesting games coming up for you personally.
-Kinect looks and sound UTTERLY STUPID
-You allready own a 360
-Worried of it duying
-Own a PS3 and feel you won#t get much from buying a 360.
siyrobbo  +   2062d ago
yeah, if i were looking to buy a current gen system having not personally owned one yet, there would be no reason to pick 360 over ps3 at the same price, not right now, and my guess would be definately not after today! Thats coming from someone who only owns a 360 as well

Man am i fed up with MS
SonyOwnsNextYear  +   2062d ago
for all the people trying to mask the simple fact that the hardware sucks, YET AGAIN.
a console can be moved by accidents of any way, shape or form. !!!!surprise!!! your disc is gone.

Some people build entertainment centers in their suvs, 360 could never be a reliable option.

i know there are more reasons bit im running out the door.t
Why o why  +   2062d ago
i kick mine when im loading games
frigg this crap....fool me once MS....

what does blu ray have to do with this tatoti......ah, no worries...a leopard never changes its spots i suppose
interrergator  +   2062d ago
fool me twice shame on MS
Silly gameAr  +   2062d ago
No wonder the disk got f***** up. He jerked the 360 upright while the disk was spinning.
XXXCouture  +   2062d ago
i dont get it.. no one would complain if a pc did the same thing
silvacrest  +   2062d ago
as if anyone would move a PC while it is on let alone while a DVD is spinning
XXXCouture  +   2062d ago
well why would you move a xbox while a dvd is spinning?
gumgum99  +   2062d ago
I can do the same thing to my PS3 and Wii, and Nothing would happen. Nothing.
edhe  +   2061d ago
You should try getting games for them then ;)

XtreemGamer  +   2062d ago
I can do that with my PS3 and the disc is still in perfect condition.. What's now?
Silly gameAr  +   2062d ago
Guess I could try it my Wii and PS3 too, but I choose not to. Just like I wouldn't do what these guys did to my 360. I know better.
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edhe  +   2061d ago
possibly wonder if you can put your ps3 in a hammock and sway it about whilst you play.
Al Bundy  +   2062d ago
That's just sad. Hasn't MS learned anything?
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bruiser81  +   2062d ago
why would they if they have dumb gamers like that guy who just laugh stuff like that off. (HAHA I know not to do that when i get this game and new 360 HAHA)
edhe  +   2061d ago
Can't stop idiots being idiots.

Why not blame MS for the dents that happen in walls when their controller's get thrown?
Fiona  +   2062d ago
Of course that disc is going to get damage! This is pointless.
rajman  +   2062d ago
lol that is pathetic...he just picked it up to stand the console up (no he did not shake it violently) and the disc gets effed up? Wow great design
danielle007  +   2062d ago | Well said
Standing it straight up from a flat position to start with
You don't need to shake it violently. The disc will slide at least a little when it's going from flat to vertical.And then the bozo practically drops it back down. I'm not saying it's the best designed system at all, there's a flaw. But, it's so easy peasy to avoid, that I don't get how people can get up in arms over this.

I honestly don't get how people experience this problem at all. In any of my systems, once the game is running, I don't touch them, I'm not like "Oh, this would look so much better with my system standing straight up." Really? Like, even with just a disc in there, not running, I don't mess around with that shizz. I take my games out before I my move my 360/PS3/Wii anywhere, and I have never experienced the circle scratch, or .. any scratches, on any of my games. No one touches them or my consoles except for me. I'm a lil bit of a dictator when it comes to them...

Plus, how hard is this: Press Xbox Button > Press Y to go to dashboard. > Take game out / if you're not anal like me it'll most likely be fine at that point > Then move your 360 how ever you want to. That all takes like 5 seconds. Just 5.

I understand it's a design flaw, but it's also a common sense flaw in people that actually receive these scratches. It's both parties. Give me your disagrees, I don't care, but it's true. If you received this scratch, you're not taking proper care of your games or system. & I guess you could argue that you shouldn't have to have common sense or take great care of your games, M$ should take care of that for you... but I disagree, friends.
NFGC  +   2062d ago
You admit there is a design flaw, but you are quick to forgive them.

This is why MS will never have a better quality product, they can always count on people like you who can lower their standard and accept as it is.
evrfighter  +   2062d ago
It is a design flaw best countered by common sense. I've personally switched from horizontal to vertical while my 360 was on with no issues.

In this case he's not nonchalantly just switching positions. He's going out on a limb to make sure his disc gets scratched. You may as well have just given the 360 to a monkey while it was on and watch him swing it around for awhile and then exclaiming...."zOMG disc still scratches!11!! fail M$ FAIL"
danielle007  +   2062d ago
Nono, see,
I didn't lower my standards. I didn't have to. This actually is a complete non-issue for me. I've never had a ring happen to any of my games, and except one Rock Band 2 disk I was silly enough to let someone borrow, none of my games have any scratches at all. For all of my systems, I just take the game out before I move it. I keep them on a steady surface. and I don't let other people touch them. & nothing bad happens to my games. I'm especially careful with the Wii and 360 since they're still using DVDs, but even my PS3 I'm paranoid with. I just hatehatehatehatehate scratches on my games.

So, anyways, I didn't forgive M$, I personally have nothing at all to forgive. I really had no idea that the circle scratches even existed let alone were a widespread issue until I started working GameStop. I also don't see the n4g community being really the target audience for this issue either. Us gamers are smart cookies. I bet all the people complaining probably haven't even experienced the circle scratch themselves, and are just anti-M$.
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Father Murder X  +   2062d ago
I got a solution
Don't move the damn system while a disc is spinning. Why does this have to be so anti-ms all the time. That is plain common sense. Geez you guys may need to lay the video games and go outside or get laid.
bunfighterii  +   2062d ago
Agreed. I wouldn't move any console while its on period.
DoomeDx  +   2062d ago
What if you move it by accident? for example, you are tripping an xbox 360 controller cable..boom, there goes the disc!

accidents can always happen.

so say bye bye to your disc while buying this
bunfighterii  +   2062d ago
cables are so 2000....
danielle007  +   2062d ago
What if you take precautions to not do that?
Keep your wired controllers out of the way, keep your 360 on a hard, solid surface above the floor, make sure it's laying flat and is even, and for the love of goodness, don't let anyone touch it other than you.

Temporarily, I'll have to relocate my 360 downstairs from time to time to let other people watch my netflix with me and be sociable, and my power cord needs to go where they walk, so I remind them every time they get up to not trip and to watch out. I normally don't have a game in my disc tray at that point though, so it's not that huge of an issue.

Just take precautions with your $300 electronics. I sure do.
DoomeDx  +   2062d ago
Dude, just buy a PS3.
failsave, not like xbox360

they've always got a new trick to empty your wallet.
just like the disc scratch issue.

this problem could have been fixed easily
iceman2929  +   2062d ago
There are xbox controllers with cables?... seriously?
Newtype  +   2062d ago
There still is cable based 360 controllers...believe it or not...pretty sad for a supposed 'next gen' system though...
evrfighter  +   2062d ago
I own one (for my xim) and have tripped over it. there are two pieces to the controller so the 360 didn't move a centimeter when I tripped over it.
coldfoot  +   2062d ago
What about fat gamers jumping up and down in front of Kinect while the disc is spinning? The vibrations will travel to where the 360 is and it may scratch the discs.
xoxideu   2062d ago | Trolling | show
ticklechamp   2062d ago | Off topic | show
GuruStarr78  +   2062d ago
I did that once with a rental copy of lego star wars and it was totally destroyed. Xbox is a disc-destroyer....learned my lesson though, you just cant move that thing from the horizontal position to the vertical and vice-versa......You'd think that they would have remedied that though.
Nodoze  +   2062d ago
Hardware beta testers wanted
Disc etching still an issue. The next tests are for heat dissipation, and noise. Any takers?
3sq   2062d ago | Trolling | show
bunfighterii  +   2062d ago
who the f moves their console anyway?
BX81  +   2062d ago
Seriously. I see all the comments from droids just trying to hate on MS but if you try to move your console with a game in it you're an idiot. Droids love trying to hate on the 360. To easy don't move your console!
oguzsasi   2062d ago | Trolling | show
arny  +   2062d ago
who approved this there is no video
TheMART  +   2062d ago
Sorry Destructoid, you're total turds. You're getting a console for free and are going to shake it while a disc is spinning with a couple of hundred cycles per minute?

If you pick up any console and shake it with a disc spinning, it hurts a disc, and it certainly isn't normal use, is it now?

Lets try and pick up a PS3 with a spinning disc and shake it. Really, total turds.


So Linuxguru, you tried this yourself? I bet not. So where are your findings based on? Blind Sony fanbelieve? How about you do this and make a video. You would be my hero.

I see you care about me. I've been in more interesting places than overhere, but I see you still recognize me. Thats a good sign.

And dakratos, what I see is that he picks it up and makes a shaking movement although shortly but still its a sudden, fast movement with a spinning drive I mean, who does this? As long as the console doesn't do this in the way it is used by normal persons it fits it purpose. For turds like this I approve that a disc is killed, they deserve it. And yes, having the console flat and not standing up is very wise with kids running around.
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LinuxGuru  +   2062d ago
Go ahead the PS3 will be fine.

And side note, what bridge did you crawl out underneath from?


I will do it in a few minutes, and I'll upload the video. Also, this guy did NOT drop the Xbox 360, he did in fact set it back down.
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danielle007  +   2062d ago
durr the PS3 itself would be fine, just like the 360 itself was perfectly fine.

The issue is the disc, I don't know if I lifted my PS3 up, and then practically dropped it back down, while the game was actually running, that the disc would just be okie dokie. I'm not going to try it either..

Buuut you could try it, on video, since you sound so completely sure. And then I'll believe it, kay? <3 thanks! :D
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da305kratos  +   2062d ago
not hatin, but he didnt shake it...he picked it up and put it back down. I've done that with my fat 60gig ps3 when i have it flat and the decit to stand it up and its just fine (or vice versa)...the reason i do that its that its not smart having it standing up with kids running around...but anyways, i do get what your saying about not moving it while its running...
Oner  +   2062d ago
@ Mart & ALL the others who spread misinformation, here is proof the PS3 DOES NOT scratch discs if moved while the 360 DOES ~

STFU with your bias, misinformation and consistent BS trolling. Reported as Trolling -Bubble & Disagree (as usual)

Oh and don't bother trying to re-edit your comment (again) I have it saved....
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animboo  +   2062d ago
you owned some ms fanboys, not just mart hahaha..
TheMART  +   2062d ago
lmao easy kid, easy now

First off, when I'm editting a comment I only add new comments to new post under me without spending another bubble like now so I can anser you.

Second, where exactly is the trolling, by just stating you never should move a console with a spinning disc in it? I am stating Destructoid are nuts for doing this. Actually you're trolling on a totally normal post and so are you reported now.

Oh and save my posts, because N4G and a comment on it is the most important stuff going on in your life it seems. Lighten up kid.

While you're at it, don't forget to view this youtube movie about PS3 scratching the BluRay games as weight to your one movie:


I see that the immature fansheep (below) are still present on N4G, lol on dude, your comment says nothing, and I don't see how ownage works on the tip not to move any console with a spinning disc in it. Go and team up with some other kids that like to lol about totally nothing, you seem good at it. Its still also pretty cleer that there are certain fangroups that seem to bubble up pretty quick with making useless comments like this nice! SDF all the way mate I guess. Pathetic.
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Erotic Sheep  +   2062d ago
LOL! TheMART got owned hardcore with that! OWNED XD
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Oner  +   2062d ago
#1 ~ I am not a kid. But as usual your ASSumptions says a lot to me about you and your character.

#2 ~ You ARE trolling because you are trying to spread misinformation & falsities

#3 ~ You are also trolling because tried to insult LinuxGuru

#4 ~ You totally disregard the proof that is given and don't even admit you ARE wrong

#5 ~ You know you are wrong, got proven wrong, got called out on your BS and then try to report me after your deficiencies were made clear...real mature of you there "old man" (since you think I am a "kid")

You are a joke. Your site is a joke. You are biased. You have absolutely NO credibility. Seriously STFU already.

Oh and here are a few videos showing the durability of a BD ~
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Erotic Sheep  +   2062d ago
TheMART dude you got owned because you tried to make it sound like this problem is a common thing among consoles. You even said the same thing would happen to a PS3 and called Linixguru out as if he is making stuff up and you want a video as proof. Now that Oner gave you one and completely OWNED your false comment, you try to act as if nothing happened and calling others out for trolling where YOU tried to spread bs information out of your own ass and NOT them.

Thats where YOU got owned and so I can say it again, OWNED!
DemiT  +   2062d ago
Cripes Oner...
What's with all the nasty name calling and personal attacks against themart?

Get over it, Oner.
You sound hostile and immature.

Mods, you paying attention?
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pilotpistolpete  +   2062d ago
Good old N4G, I haven't posted in ages but this is some good stuff!

I don't know what's funnier,

MART ranting about how he doesn't have time to deal with trolls, even though he is the ORIGINAL N4G troll and probably spends 15 hrs a day on n4g or xboxkings or whatever.


Oner calling Mart old (N4G'ers had a field day a few years ago when they found out he was like 35)
diatom  +   2062d ago
On a side note, anyone who buys disk insurance at Gamestop for a PS3 disk is an idiot.

(My 2yr old took out my Gears2 disk a few weeks by yanking on the power cord, I'd probably swap for a slim if they could have gotten a decent CD drive.)
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Consoldtobots  +   2062d ago
I know, they tried to sell me that crap at a gamestop and I laughed at them. "Ps3 disks don't scratch" "what do you mean all disks scratch" "no Ps3 games have an anti scratch coating so you would have to take a sharp edge to it".....silenced followed/
Newtype  +   2062d ago
DVD disc is not the same as a bluray..
You don't seem to understand what scratch proof disc means...
JumpNPlayBon  +   2062d ago
I find it simply amazing at how some people can accept a design flaw, to OVER-SATURATE profits, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CONSUMER(YOU) and figure countering it with common sense somehow makes it alright.
LinuxGuru  +   2062d ago
Here you go MART, I just made this video 15 minutes ago, special for only you =)

AND I used a DVD, NOT a blu-ray.

Related video
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Erotic Sheep  +   2062d ago
lolol easy there, I think TheMART has been owned enough already in this article.
thewhoopimen  +   2061d ago

360 trolls SOOOOOO Owned
crazyclown   2062d ago | Trolling | show
tudors  +   2062d ago
He didn't shake it....
he lifted it, moved it around a bit then put it back down quite hard, it's common sense, don't move the thing while it is spinning a disk, I also I cry foul, he loaded the disk then the rest seemed almost deliberate, he then took out the disk but didn't put it back in, either way this is propaganda BS.
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bunfighterii  +   2062d ago
my take is he was just trying to stand it upright... he only panicked when it made noise.
LinuxGuru  +   2062d ago
Cheap product. Fancy touch buttons, shiny box, and new air vents can't cover up the fact that it's still a lame disc tray which can't even hold a disc in place.
Convas  +   2062d ago | Well said
You know. Just give up on trying to reason with morons. It's like trying to walk through a solid brick wall. All they will say is, "MS should've held the discs in tighter" or "Dam MS, still with the shoddy disc trays".

What business do you have trying to move a Xbox 360 in the process of reading a disc? I don't care what you say, this is the way the Xbox 360 disc drive WORKS, that's the way the DVD drive READS DVDs, keep the PS3 out of it.

Fanboys will find any reason they can to hate. Even excusing the use of common sense to make their points.
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LinuxGuru  +   2062d ago
It's going to happen, whether you're "not supposed to" or whatever.

You can slap a warning sticker on anything and say don't do this or that, but does that remove liability or blame for when something does happen? I don't think so.

Consoles are small pieces of equipment that tend to be moved, bumped, and generally messed around with, and for someone like you to say that it's ok for a shoddy disc tray to be used in a seemingly high-end system and that we should keep our mouths shut about it...that's wrong, and I say NO to you.

This is an old issue that needs to be addressed. It's obviously a very very simple fix and Microsoft has chosen instead to slap a warning sticker on the disc drive instead of actually addressing it. They could probably save money on ink and stickers if they fixed the problem with a tiny piece of soft rubber or felt or something.
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Syaz1  +   2062d ago
i agree
fanboys will be fanboys. it's common technical knowledge that you dont move a disc spinning at thousands of rpm. i believe it's clearly stated in the manual as well that you shouldn't move it while the disc is spinning. idiots, blaming ms when it's their failure to read a manual.
Anon7349  +   2062d ago
Cool story bro.

I can go jogging with my 10 year old walkman without the disk getting scratched. HURR DURR

From a PC gamers perspective, it's the crappiest console by far(This decade).
GurlPlease  +   2062d ago
Yes,Girl...We all know that the xbox is made to endure jogging and other various outdoor activity...

Girl, bye!
JumpNPlayBon  +   2062d ago

I find it simply amazing at how some people can accept a design flaw, to OVER-SATURATE profits, AT THE EXPENSE OF THE CONSUMER(YOU) and figure countering it with common sense somehow makes it alright.
Pwee  +   2062d ago
Damn that's a pretty shocking disk tray
tudors  +   2062d ago
So how often do you test this, tell you what, get your web cam out, load a disk into your PS3, UC2 or GOW3 will do and then do what he just did, or even better scratch the disk prior to this just for added effect like these guys probably did.
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throw_this_away  +   2062d ago
I just trested my PS3 three times!!!
I tilted it just like they did the Xbox 360 in the video.

GOW3: Big scratch, and the game no longer loads, but it is TOTALLY not as bad as the disk in the video. MS sucks.

UC2: Only a smaller scratch. NO performance issues with the disk.

LBP: NO scratch!!!

So this tells all the 360 Fanboys that the PS3 is superior in every way. I would never get a crappy MS console unless I wanted to waste money.
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thewhoopimen  +   2061d ago
Nice try trying to disseminate false info. That seems to be what 360 fanboys are reduced to these days. MS lies about their quality control, so it's ok for you guys to throw lies all over the place.

No scratches. None with the same movements on the PS3. STOP LYING.
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shiver130  +   2062d ago
Here you go.
I do what happens in the video, if not more.

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danielle007  +   2062d ago | Well said
It's the laser, and the disc spins so fast, plus it's in a disc tray....
It's the same as the old 360s. Just don't run the game while you move your console. Hell, I always take mine out before I move my 360 at all. I like having my discs in perfect condition, so I take precautions.... that take two seconds. Not a big deal. Just don't be stupid.

And obviously moving it from laying flat to standing up, and then basically almost dropping it back down is going to scratch the disc.

I would cry foul, but taking the game out before moving it is just so completely easy that it's not a big deal, especially when i take uber care to do that with any of my consoles anyways.
gapecanpie  +   2062d ago
Its nice to see some common sense on this web site from time to time.
UltimateIdiot911  +   2062d ago
It shouldn't scratch the game in the first place. That's the problem. PS3 doesn't do that, the Wii doesn't do that so why does the 360 do that?

It's like having a car with brakes that only works when you slowly brake but if you ever brake hard and fast, those suckers will disintegrate. So, rather than fixing the brake, the company tells people to drive slower? more careful? avoid ACCIDENTS?

While, it's best to be careful, this shouldn't be a problem at all.
PeterGriffinSays  +   2060d ago
That shyt was a good fckin point. XD Bubbles.
Morbid Bulldozer  +   2062d ago
In other news, the new Xbox360 damages disks when you feed it to a Velociraptor. That's even worse than RROD!
da305kratos  +   2062d ago
lol good one
bubble for u sir
gumgum99  +   2062d ago
This is all it took Microsoft.

Just a simple Google search before making the new 360.
theonlylolking  +   2062d ago
how is this?

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