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BBC: Will gamers want to Kinect or Move?

BBC writes: "Los Angeles: If you want to see the future, head for a games convention.

The computer and video games industry has poured billions into innovation over the last decade, particularly since it became a new front in the battle for the home between giants like Sony and Microsoft.

They used their Playstation and Xbox platforms to experiment with rival high-definition video systems; Sony's Blu-ray won that battle." (Kinect, Move, PS3, Xbox 360)

D4RkNIKON  +   1403d ago
As far as motion controlled gaming is concerned, Kinect can't do complicated games because it lacks buttons and that is why it was all casual games. Sony's Move controllers have been shown to work with RTS games, FPS, TPS, racers and more. It is harder to think of a game type that Move CAN'T do.
hakeem0996  +   1403d ago
My two cents
Will never buy a WII ,Will never Buy Move .Might buy Kinect for the hands free dashboard controls maybe depanding on the price .don't care for the games and 3D is a waste of time ,they need to focus on Virtual Reality .
Legosz  +   1403d ago
I don't feel like using Kinect or move. I just want to sit and play Man Furismo Jive with my hands on a dualshock 3.
Legosz  +   1403d ago
Yes
snp  +   1403d ago
Own a wii, will buy Move for fps if nothing else as long as it gets good reviews and price is reasonable (waggle doesn't interest me, but as a pointing/precision device holds promise), don't have a 360 so Kinect isn't something i've got much thoughts on (though i doubt i'd buy one simply to replace clicking a button on the dashboard; but each to their own). Virtual Reality? If people are freaked out wearing a pair of translucent shutter glasses for a 3d effect, i can assure you the same folk ain't going to be wanting a Virtual Reality headset any time soon...

Personally, 3d has grown on me. I'm not 100% sold, but the more i see of it (particularly on Plasma where their aren't the cross-talk/ghosting problems of LED) the more i like. Doubt my eyes would hold up for any more than an hour maximum, but i'm not someone who tends to plays games for hours on end without a break these days anyway so that's not really such an issue.
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Ilikegames76  +   1403d ago
Man Furismo Jive,
er.. I mean Gran Turismo 5 should be played with a steering wheel like the G25/G27.
evrfighter  +   1403d ago
seeing as I have both consoles whichever console lets me do this...will be my choice.

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Shang-Long  +   1403d ago
MOVE B!TCH
OneSneakyMofo  +   1403d ago
Get out da way, get out da way?
Sunny_D  +   1403d ago
MOVE!
TheTwelve  +   1403d ago
Well, Kinect certainly hasn't made me feel bad about Move, that's for sure. I won't be envying Kinect owners based on what I saw today.

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tatotiburon  +   1403d ago
forza demo says hi.

kinect can do any game easy, but not only using kinect but interacting with the xbox 360 controller, like metroid on the wii.

but kinect it's not only for gaming, a lot of features that move didn't have.
Hairy Chewie  +   1403d ago
I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult for sony to integrate what the kinect does for the 360 dashboard to the PS3's XMB, after all, the PS eye can replicate most of what kinect is doing. Whether they actually plan on doing it, only sony knows.
Patrick  +   1403d ago
Forza demo on stage was not real.
I watched the conference and the car didnt match his movements. 95 percent of their showings was staged and you could tell. The Move is much better for most all experiences.
boodybandit  +   1403d ago
"but kinect it's not only for gaming, a lot of features that move didn't have"
And us gamer purchase gaming console for a lot of features that are not gaming related! /s

The Forza demo wasn't real nor was it a hard core game. It was only a steering game with super cars vs F cars. If you actually played Forza you would know what that means. There was no gas or brake just steering. Yeah hardcore racing sim fans don't want to gas, brake, apex, they just want to steer and look at their cars with head and hand movements.

Enough already. What was shown today by MS was embarrasing for their target audience and between their pricing of the unit and pricing for games ($60) they are pricing themselves out of the casual audience as well.

Move will work with most any game and we don't have a clue yet (sorry I dont have your crystal ball to know what Move will and will not do), for people like you that want options and features not game related, what other aspects of their console Move might be utilized for. After today's press conference from MS I can't see how Sony could do worse. If so it will go down as the worst E3 in history and the gaming industry might actually be in trouble.
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NY_State  +   1403d ago
Speaking of which Socom Move gameplay
http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

I'll get the Move but mainly for casual. But that could all change depending upon the developers and what they put out.
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AAACE5  +   1403d ago
Flamebait!!!
Flamebait people... nothing to see here!

But i'll predict the outcome.... They hated the Wii, they hate Kinect and they will love Move like their own child!

Ps3 is the console for the ultimate gamer!
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prettyboy1  +   1403d ago
MOVE
HANDS FKIN DOWN
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1403d ago
Well, if you are a core gamer, for sure Move. Will have more games for Core audience.

If you are a Casual, you can choose also Move, or Kinect.
Jazz4108  +   1403d ago
how do you know this. So far there are more hardcore gamees announcedd for Natal. Fable, forza, child of eden..etc. Sony has one in Socom and the first ps3 offering of Socom online only sucked.
darkride66  +   1403d ago
You sure about that?
We have no idea how Fable will incorporate Kinect but rest assured it's not going to be in a major way as needing Kinect to play Fable 3 will hamper it's sales. It'll probably be some minigames or something within Fable. As for Forza, please. You can use Kinect to virtually look at your car. That's not gameplay.

And Child of Eden is a multiplatform rhythm game for both the 360 and PS3. Last time I checked, not a lot of demand among the hardcore for rhythm games.

Move has Socom 4, The Fight, Lord of the Rings, LittleBigPlanet 2, Heavy Rain, RE:5, Tiger Woods, Slider, The Shoot and Under Siege.

There you have it. As it stands right now, Kinect has possibly one game that appeals to the hardcore in Fable 3 and we don't even know the details. Move has 10 games that appeal to the hardcore, on top of all the casual Move games already announced.

You're way off base on this one.
boodybandit  +   1403d ago
Jazz
Forza was just a steering game and it didn't even look like the guy was actually playing it. If he was that was some serious lag. We have to wait and see how Fable is utilized especially coming from the creator of Milo. Where was Milo btw? Wasn't that the tempest style music game (again with serious lag) or am I confusing it with something else? Also isn't it multiplatform that will work with Move as well? Did you actually wach the E3 coverage?

The new Socom is nothing like the one released on the PS3 before. Not to mention MS didn't show anything near as hardcore as Socom 4 with Kinects. Kinects will probably never be able to play a FPS game by itself.
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Awookie  +   1403d ago
@Jazz
How do you use gas/brake in Forza? how do you walk around in Fable? stop hoping and open your eyes Move has actually shown us it is able to do anything a controller can do with no lag and precision.

While Kinect is just a bag promises that when you open you realize has lag, bugs and lacks alot of function without buttons.
00  +   1403d ago
which ever has good games, unless your causal.
Typical-Guy  +   1403d ago
Well I'm going with Move since it has hardcore games support.
D4RkNIKON  +   1403d ago
Kinect didn't have a single core game.. unless you count that clone wars game..
Typical-Guy  +   1403d ago
Yeah that game ! wow just wow./S
was he moving automatically forward or..... ?
Elwenil  +   1403d ago
Yeah it looked to me like you stand in position and deal with everything in that area and then get warped forward. Reminded me of all the old shooter arcade games like Area 51. Might be fun for kids but not anything I would consider hard core, but then you could say that about 90% of what Microsoft showed today. Who knows though, maybe Microsoft giving the Wii some competition could make them both strive to make better games like the batter between Sony and Microsoft has done. The only bad part is they will be casual games and not anything pleasing to gamers like me. Then again it may just bomb completely.
Awookie  +   1403d ago
At least Kinect started a new genre, on rail action games
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Xof  +   1403d ago
Will gamers want to kinect or move?
Easy: no.

Do these big companies have focus groups? Market research? There have been a number of really bad decisions lately. How was it that the guys who said, "hey, you know what PS3/360s gamers really want? A cheap knock-off of the wiimote!" weren't told so sit down and shut up? Kind of like the mystery surrounding why the man who conjured up the PSP Go wasn't immediately fired for proposing such a profoundly stupid ideas.

These things should never have made to to paper, let alone actual product.
snp  +   1403d ago
I disagree. Everywhere i go there's at least a portion of gamers griping about console controllers for fps (even the ones begrudgingly putting up with it). I've lost count of the number of times i've read people write something to the effect of "no way in hell will i play a fps with a controller. I'd love to sit on the couch and play on my big plasma/lcd, but i won't settle for a console controller".

Hell, i've deliberately bought games on PC - fps's in particular - just because i find the mouse/keyboard so much better for these - many of which didn't have enough graphics upgrade to warrant a PC purchase, and i would love to have bought on the PS3.

Even if it does absolutely nothing else, if the Move has the precision/ease of use more closely resembling a mouse/keyboard setup, i think it will be solving a genuine problem that enough people have stated is an issue for them with consoles.

Hell, if it's implemented well enough, it could even see Sony become the console of choice for duel owners when buying fps - traditionally 360's strong suit. Something which would play very well in courting third party developers focus to, i'd imagine (and perhaps put ironically put pressure on MS to revise their controller focus long term to something more similar, at least as an option).
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Xof  +   1403d ago
Well, apparently a lot of people disagree with me.
But I still think I'm right. You do have a point, snp... but the problem is that motion controls are to regular controllers what regular controllers are to mice--less sensitive. I would even say that by the time motion controls are perfected (which is still a long way off: Sony and Microsoft's offerings are still at the 1st/2nd generation level) mice will still be more sensitve, simply by virtue of offering an object to manipulate based on position AND movement.

Unless you're hoping for somehting like a wiimote pad to slide your wiimote across (let's just call all motion controllers wiimotes now, okay?)... in which case you may as well have a mouse instead. This precision and ease of use your looking for simply ain't gonna happen.

This idea that motion controls are somehow the perfect answer for console FPS games... ulgh. That's a nice thought, but it's really not ever going to happen, or even come close.
snp  +   1403d ago
Have to wait and see, i guess. What i've seen of Socom suggests it's a very very precise device. And i believe they've actually demonstrated people write their names and do 3d modeling with it. Other people have also mentioned Move players have been killing DS3 players in Socom 4 tests.

I may be optimistic - will of course wait for reviews, and ideally a hands on pre any purchase - but see no real reason, if it's implementation is subtle, a controller like this can't be both very precice and very easy to use (if not quite mouse ease, then at least much much closer). Mario Galaxy, for mine already demonstrates a version of this - granted the juxtaposition is to the 3d character rather than a hud, but the subtlety (with supposedly inferior tech) of right arm remote movements is already there.

Should add, i'm not envisaging huge sweeping arm movements or any of the more extreme waggle nonsense. More like sitting on the couch with elbows resting on knees using relatively small and mostly smooth/slow motions of wrists/hands.

On face value it seems to me a lot closer to moving a mouse than holding down a direction on a thumb stick and literally waiting for the screen point to move to that spot, and then holding it down and literally waiting for it to move across to another spot. The Move 'seems' to have the potential to be much closer to as fast/slow accurate/inaccurate as an individuals hands and wrists.
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Xof  +   1403d ago
My last post... better make it count!
I'm trying to envision motion controllers as mice, and it just feels kind of goofy to me. Mice are good because they offer the most amount of precision with the least amount of exertion compared to any other input device. With the Wii, at least, you've got the opposite--the least amount of precision, and the most amount of exertion. It's horridly inefficient. Even if the precision goes up, the exertion will stay the same, so at best what we'll end up with is a mechanic that is PERFECT for swordplay, but not much else.

From what I've seen, most of the motion-control w/ fps ends up being a point-and-shoot affiar, ala Duck Hunt. I'm a bit worried on that point, as--with this ideal, perfect precision--you'd have most gamers failing because their physical skills aren't up to the task, and if the game needs on-screen crosshairs, then I don't see the point of the motion control at all. But I digress.

Ulitmately, I think motion control is a dead-end. I think the future really lies with touch-screen technology. What can be more precise than a mouse? A pen.

Anyone here watch much scifi? I'd kill to have that hologrpahic screen tech--where a keyboard and monitor materializes in the air in front of you, and you manipulate everything with your fingers.

Apple and Nintendo seem to be leading the charge in that direction. Apple, arguably at the forefront. Of course, there's a problem there, too: a finger is a crude, inefficient manipulator. That's why mankind invented the pen. Ipods, Ipads and touch phones, no matter how efficient the screen, can be a bit finicky. But add a NDS stlus... and fantastic.

Well... I've kind of wandered off point a bit. Oh well.
snp  +   1403d ago
Since you're out of bubbles, will leave it there.

Time will tell how useful Move is, i guess.

Nice chatting with ya. And unusual - having a civil back/forth discussion of ideas - on this forum.

Bubbles for your manners/maturity.
slutface  +   1403d ago
im already sold on move
JANF  +   1403d ago
None. I hate motion control.
nilamo  +   1403d ago
Neither
Lirky  +   1403d ago
Probably move it'll have more mature games. Rather than quirky family games.. well itll ahve a mixture just having a strong mature titles.
Obama  +   1403d ago
I am not a big fan of either, but I have to say that MOVE is the only one that can do hardcore games. Rising for example, would be a perfect game to utilize MOVE. You simply can't play any action game like that with kinect.

@Soda: lol a starwar game will certainly be better with MOVE since you are actually holding something resembling a lightsaber and controlling your action with a controller. With kinect you will just be flinging your arms like an idiot.
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DelbertGrady  +   1403d ago
The ones who wanted a Wii probably got one already. The hands-free aspect of Kinect along with the dance game and Star Wars will secure its victory over Move.
saint_john_paul_ii  +   1403d ago
not after that failure of an E3 conference its not..
SOAD  +   1403d ago
Microsoft is going to edit that conference for MTV. It will, in my opinion, appear ten times better to the audiences at home.
oldjadedgamer  +   1403d ago
@Soad

Are the casuals that already have a wii willing to buy a console that has many games that can be "looked at" as copies of games they might already own.

I know casuals are usually uniformed, but unless they can see it as a totally different machine than the wii, I don't think it will sell well. But that could just be my feeling of a let down 360 owner that wanted to see some new IPs.
Typical-Guy  +   1403d ago
if you say so.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1403d ago
@Soda Popinsky
''The hands-free aspect of Kinect along with the dance game and Star Wars will secure its victory over Move.''

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Hallmark Moment  +   1403d ago
Kinect is the only Motion tech that interest me. Kinect Fitness game and the Kinect Eden game appeals to m. And of course the dash stuff. I could care less about the Wii like motion from Nintendo and Move.
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DigitalRaptor  +   1403d ago
So you're going to want to spend $150 to be able to control the dash with your hands and play some average non-games? Fair enough.
Quadrix  +   1403d ago
It's a proven fact that BBC's opinion = wrong
Duke Spookem  +   1403d ago
I know what I would want to do...

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DigitalRaptor  +   1403d ago
Seeing as Microsoft have basically come out to say Kinect will be for casuals, and because casual games are crap, real gamers would choose the Move.
DuneBuggy  +   1403d ago
I see both of them as a battle for the "casual" dollar, so debate over which one has more "hardcore" appeal seems silly. Not that you cant have a little casual as part of your USDA daily intake of gaming.
Move might make a FPS cooler, or might make me long for the conventional controller option.
Kinect might actually help teach me how to dance, or will make me say "this is stupid". Now i do like the potential of driving games with Kinect. Especially if I can use my controller for gas/brake but use Kinect to steer/look through curves ahead.
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oldjadedgamer  +   1403d ago
I think a big factor comes down to pricing. Whichever is cheaper will usually dominate the casual crowd.

I think this conversation on Move vs. Kinect will be more relevant when we see what the Move has in store for gamers, both casual and hardcore.
etownone  +   1403d ago
I think Kinnect might end up being ultra cool when mixed with hardcore games using the controller too.

As in Mass Effect 3 .... If they include Kinect for things such as interacting with the galexy map, scanning planning, and safe and code breaking.

Think about it before disagreeing Sony fans.

Who knows, a lot of the hardcore games can find cool ways to use both. But just using Kinect for a hardcore is a big no-no. Move might be able to pull that off but not Kinect. IMO
oldjadedgamer  +   1403d ago
I would like to see that come out of Kinect, but based on todays conference, Kinect will have little to nothing to do with hardcore games.

Where is the Fable 3 - Kinect interaction? Is it just not possible to have more technical/skilled games usable with the Kinect?

I would love for MS to prove me wrong, but I will won't buy the Kinect unless they do.
etownone  +   1403d ago
I think Kinect is definitely something everyone will at least like to try once while Move is a Wii clone.

I'm getting Kinect on day one although I really was disappointed with MS E3 for these reasons:

to interact with the dashboard
to show it off to friends when they come over
I'm a sucker for new gimmicks in technology

and star wars.
Ilikegames76  +   1403d ago
Yeah, Kinect
is so advanced that the in-game character is moving the player. Although a noticeable lag is present.
TheAwesomessMan  +   1403d ago
I say it's up to the casuals, though. I remember a friend of mine was saying that he wasn't going to get Move and that's understandable. I mean they're still some great games for the Wii and if you can game on the Wii why move(sorry no pun intended) even though it doesn't have Hi Res that so many of us are accustom to when you can game and not think about the graphics why switch.

But for the Hardcore gamers what about you, would you'll make a move(pun intended) or stay kinected(sorry bad pun) to xbox?
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etownone  +   1403d ago
Can't wait to see those Window 7 phones that can Kinnect to Xbox Live.

I was looking forward to Verizon Droid Extreme but not anymore.
kraze07  +   1403d ago
Harcore gamers won't. Please don't mix motion controls with hardcore gamers. That would just make them casual.
Trroy  +   1403d ago
You can buy some of the best racing wheels made for well under $150.

I just thought I'd mention that.
djfullshred  +   1403d ago
I am not buying either system. I just bought a new couch, which is being delivered tomorrow. I will be gaming on a new comfy recliner sofa with controller on my lap.
The_Quiet_Man  +   1403d ago
Yeah I'm not really interested in either to be honest, but what gamer wants to dance with their Ma & sister (I feel embarrassed for the young lad in the video). MS performed a Natality on itself.

http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...

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