NowGamer: An open letter to Sony on the lessons it can learn from Microsoft's Kinect event...
WOW.. All this show for Kinect......I dunno man. I'm not sold yet.
And yet you say this in your own post from GamesThirst: "And so many people were already speaking negative about Kinect. Microsoft might just have something big on its hands. They're trying to take us to the next level in human evolution; I applaud them for at least trying. And this might just be the real deal. you all are such skeptics.... Give the thing a chance." http://n4g.com/news/542935/... (first comment) :| Edit: How can you disagree with your hypocrisy when it's right there in plain sight? @Zydake: His story is right there on the front page. Any one could make the same observation. Unless you're getting at something else.
"They're trying to take us to the next level in human evolution" What??? I'll wait till I can play it before I judge, but I don't know about this next level of evolution. Sounds scary.
4 hours until the Natal/Kinect conference....seeing how this event went....MS does have their hands full...we will see how much it will take to overcome this disappointment
Movements was backing his sites article from gamethirst "Video: Star Wars Kinect Game Is Awesome - Next Level" by talking up MS and Kinetic and Nike busted him for it. Seriously make up your mind Movements. Are you only sold on Kinetic when it's your site writing about it? Talk about hedging your bets and playing both sides of the fence. Way to call him out Nike! On topic: There is a reason both Sony and Nintendo turned their back on this technology and now real gamers are seeing why. Natal, now Kinetic, will only work with extrememly casual games. The only game they showed that wasn't extremely caual (Star WArs) was faked via Milo / Milli Vanilli / Ashlee Simpsons style. Both Sony and Nintendo are doing their best to make their motion controls for all types of games while MS is trying to wow casual / non gamers with a sci fi type of controller. I'm sorry but as a hardcore fan of gaming I am really disappointed with MS for going this route.
They're trying to take us to the next step in human evolution? I think you should rephrase that my friend. Relevant human evolution should involve making this world a better place. Tackling global warming, war, famine, poverty, etc. Making strides to solve those problems, that should be human evolution, not moving your body in front of this device. Perhaps it's an evolution in video game technology or home entertainment, which is great. I welcome that, but human evolution is not as simple as Microsoft Kinect.
wow this has really turned bad for MS and Kinect (bad name, sounds more like a board game or something http://wahi.typepad.com/.a/... ) Think Sony will mention this in their conference tomorrow, prob say something like "instead of having elephants and electric ponchos we will just show you some games we have for Move, which you can all PLAY on the floor"..
Do you really think people care more about gaming controls actually working with games vs glitz, glamour, strobe lights, animals, chest thumping music, celebrities on parade and stage / fake demos vs actual gaming information at E3? /s
I smell OWNAGE...........lol
Scuse me sir whats Kinect? 1st time hearing about it ?
It's the new name for Natal.
Lol thanks for the quick reply, but seriously Kinect? Kinect makes no sense if your not using it with blocks..
It's Kinect, as kinetic energy. Witch is energy in motion, as in motion controller.
more like kinectic + connect = kinect. get it.
Kenetic Energy is the energy of motion. For an object that is moving the kinetic energy equals one half times the mass of the object times the square of the speed of the object. I learned this all from Google.
i had high hopes but all these news is a killjoy... its like its a gimmick.
Welcome to the world of motion controls...
Yeah it's a gimmick. Best motion controller @ E3 but probably the biggest gimmick there. I don't think Natal will have 1 hardcore game and as if Xbox didn't have enough little kids on there. Now we have to endure an onslaught of minors, grandparents, fat parents, bubbly teenagers and people flying around their rooms like Kangaroos. Kinect, as fucking awesome as the Hardware is, I'm not buying until I see decent software. Oh and I can't believe Rare would sink to the level of making a Wii Sports Clone. As for Sony, I'm still pretty unimpressed with Move. I think I've seen something exactly like this 4 years ago. Nintendo said they'd keep it hardcore and Z:TP was dumbed down for little kids, SMG was awesome but lacked the authentic Mario feel. Sony won't stick to their word, we've heard this before from the most trusted Console Manufacturer and Playstation is only one of Sony's many divisions. Of course they'll go 'all out' on the casual market, anyone who thinks Sony will do otherwise is downright idiotic, you think Sony wouldn't sacrifice their current market to get to a market triple the size? Anyway they've already made their money off of you. This generation is turning out to be sickening for consoles, All you fanboys should be ashamed to where you led the industry! PC Gaming will live on to be the most authentic, REAL gaming experience.
"Kinect: This Is How Not To Do It Sony" Lol no: http://www.nowgamer.com/col... I think theres some damage control going on here from hardcore 360 users, from the start i wasnt convinced by Natal/Kinect and im still not convinced. Though i think both Kinect and Move will be focusing on the casual user id rather have move for the 1:1 motion. I dont want to be in my room and waving my arms about like a mad man
MS had no show last year, so they brought out Natal. But Natal was not even pre alpha back than, so they lied about it using MILO. Well, everyone knows that Natal doesnt work back than. But the bots kept hyping it up. And now the failure is evident. So they try their best to 1) either downplay Natal or 2) downplay MOVE.
http://tinyurl.com/3yedu34 thats duping the public,live demos please sony
Sorry, but Sony got Nothing to do with kinect, it's quite the opposite when it comes to Sony, they are Showing the PlayStation Move and how Well it Works with no need of actors/stars/Circus and such...
I can't believe my eyes. I woke up and the internet hates Natal or Kenect all of the sudden and I don't know why. Then I see the epic video and could not believe MS could bomb so hard. But they did http://i45.tinypic.com/m7ub...
This is an epic fail. Keep calling our PS Move a Wii-rip off. At least ours works.
A couple articles down you say they're "trying to take us to the next level of human evolution", now you're not sold yet? You're such a fraud.
So here is the unfortunate thing about last nights event. I don't know how many of you have ever seen a Cirque de Soleil show, but what they described is exactly what should have been expected. Cirque is about theatrics, so it stands to reason that the event would have been all about theatrics and show rather than a traditional video game related event. As a result, what you have were a bunch of game journos and game related individuals that apparently weren't very taken by the combination of presenting a game technology alongside something as "artsy" as Cirque. Microsoft completely failed to identify the audience they were presenting to. Those individuals want demonstration and information. This event was anything but. Now to those not involved in the gaming industry, the reaction may be entirely different, so how it plays out on Tuesday will be interesting. My biggest issue i guess with the coverage was as i mentioned above. The game journos reporting were more concerned with the ponchos and the odd spectacle that its pretty much all you heard from anyone. That was expressly evident in the Giant Bombs after event vidcast. All they could really talk about was how much they were apparently wigged out and bothered by it....and not entirely about the games. So to put it mildly last night was not about us, not about gamers. It was squarely for the rest of the population. Lastly, I'm not sold either, movements. I won't have any real feelings about Kinect until todays conference. That's the event that is aimed at the likes of us. Unfortunately, by choosing the audience they did for last night's event, MS dug themselves a pretty large hole in the eyes of a lot of gamers. Although, maybe they accomplished part of what they were looking for because damn near every article on most sites is about Kinect (god i hate that name.) You know what they say, any press is good press and they have effectively snagged the news cycle from Sony for good or for bad.
1. "Kinect" is actually Natal, renamed. ..Ok, if it's getting a re-branding already, MS is in trouble. 2. Still using canned video and pre-rendering. Not terribly impressive, unless you happen to be Kelly Clarkson. 3. Sony has a higher-quality motion controller; even if it's less original. Yeah, I think I've got this one figured out now. Kinect = fail.
I think I have it figured out too: Raz = Sony Fanboy = Fail Don't put all of your eggs in one basket over one showing. Monday's MS keynote was very impressive. So like I said, Raz = FAIL.
@ blueshirt7749: Ad hominem attack = you don't have a counter argument, so you attack the commenter personally instead. Weaksauce and an epic fail.
Kinect is a more advance eye toy that has a few cool possibilities, Move is a more precise wii mote with some cool possibilities but lets face it....MOTION CONTROL SUCKS!!! From the Power Golve and U-Force on the NES, to the Sega Activator, to the eye toy, to the wii mote, to the move and kinect, they are all gimmicky crapthat all companies waste $$$$ on because one company made a profit on it. Imagine if instead of doing natal/kinect MS used the funds for research and major testing of a new console so that it was at LEAST as reliable as the 1st xbox. Simply put, money being spent on 3d gaming as well as motion control gaming by these companies is a waste and a disservice to the gamer.
lol. that is all :P ps: you guys take this stuff way too seriously.
both are going for the same market, to think one better / different to the other is sllly only diff: MS copied Eyepet Sony copied Wii Mote both are going fr same market. meh
While you can't really say Sony copied WiiMote since they've apparently had this tech for the best part of a decade I do agree they're both going for the casual crowd. The difference between the two is that one has proven itself to work well in both casual and hardcore games whereas the other hasn't managed that yet.
I know what are you trying to say, but Sony is Going for Both: Casuals + Hardcores, as long as they support Both Crews With High Quality Games as usual, there is Nothing to Worry About...
Will you stop it. Nintendo released the final product way before Sony. Nintendo marketed the Wii and Sony never said boo. All Sony fans bashed the wii and now that Sony is ripping off the Wii, people are trying to give Sony the credit for it. Come on. I have the idea to cure cancer, but if someone actually goes ahead and makes a cure, does it mean I should get the credit? Come on. Enough is enough.
Sorry but one of these control methods is better because it has more potential to be used with both casual and hardcore games, and more specifically the kinds of games that dominate the market. One of these control methods has been shown in actual use for a year now. One of these control methods has greater precision than the other. One of these control methods can do anything the other one can do and more. I'll leave it to you to decide which one I'm talking about.
It seems like Move is actually well thought of. As one guy here mentioned, imagine Dead Space 2 with Move. That's one game I could imagine being more fun with motion controls than with a pad.
''Sony copied Wii Mote'' I don't understand that. Sony made the Move controller 10 years ago, before the Wii. There are videos and articles about that.
Kinect sounds like something you should avoid
All motion controls are something you should avoid.
In Sony, I trust.
M$ smoke and mirrors.... HUGE FAIL
Shouldn't it be, M$ Mirrors and $moke......HUGE FAIL? See what I did with the changeing the M and $ arou.....oh never mind.
who gives a shit about an open letter. I want news, not some dumb ass blogger ranting about nonsense
Somthing just not right on the presentations that Microsoft is prepping for E3. Its all choreographed! Show me live stuff, please!
(Killer Instinct voice)EEEEEEEPIC FAAAAAAAIL !!! LMAO
looks like a 3D Wii-controller to me but... with better games within 2 years ?
I don't get it..why is everyone complaining about the show? Its not like Microsoft titled it "Massive Natal Show with tons of announcements" or something. The show was focused on the "new experience" as they call it and not to highlight fancy details and unveil new games. It is what it is, a show and not a conference. And of course the show was meant for the casual, did anyone expect something else? You sure are some picky folks (and by that I also mean some of the editors)
NEw experience AKA " not stages video with fake gameplay and poor actors "
Why don't we all wait for the press conference to see the final product. Is that so hard to do? Wait till we pass judgment. Anyone who makes up their mind on something before they have all the facts is a f*cking moron.
Very good read, lets hope for some redemption tonight.
yes cause doing what has been tried and true by the wii is so much safer...
socom with move is a win already.
All the complaints are plain stupid. It was a show and not a media/PR presentation. Why is everyone ignoring the MS press conference which is still meant to come?
Because most of the 7th graders here are ignorant and immature. Do you really come here for gaming insight? LOL!
kinect is just another great way to break your HIGH-DEF TVs you won't get made at your TV you might kick the sh!t out of it when you start playing kinect jumping around like in that one video WHAT IF UR REALLY CLOSE to the TV then what?
You have to be around 5 feet away for it to read you properly, so unless you are 8 ft. tall, I can't imagine anyone putting their foot through the TV.
I think last night show is going to be airing on Nickelodeon tomorrow. If that is true then this show was perfect for business. I just hope MS has alot of other stuff.
Pretty funny when things like this happen after all the hype, lets see what Move has in store. Perhaps in a few days we can all go back to being the pad loving gamers we used to be :)
Still love the pad....heh....pad. Let's wind the clock back a year. Everyone was content with playing with a controller as usual. Everything was fine. Then Natal and Move burst on the scene and everyone lost their shit. I don't get the big motion control craze, same with 3D, it's a novelty. Don't get me wrong, I want to try Natal and Move too, that's try. I own a Wii and I don't want to have to use motion controls for all three consoles. I'm more interested in what new AAA games all 3 companies will be bringing to the table, however I know most of them will make available/require motion controls. Just keep them out of Metal Gear dammit, I don't want to have to actually swing the sword as Raiden, I just wanna play, I don't wanna Kinect or Move, I want to sit.
I cant remember any new console having AAA games on launch so why anyone expected anything different here is beyond my comprehension, i will reserve all judgement and ill advised comments until i have a clearer picture on what kinect/natal can bring. Its initial premise is to bring in a new audiance and the launch titles seen is right up the casual markets street There is nothing worse than running ones mouth off and ending up looking like the village idiot if proved wrong (looks at many people on this site)
I'm not sure I'm sold yet on Kinect yet either, but why not wait until the show has been made public before commenting on it? Let the public judge it and form their own opinions.
Most people on here abandon all thought and reason upon entering and commenting on this site.
Thats right the people who comment on this site wether they are biased or not, just happen to be people commenting on a public forum for the public to read. The opinoins stated on this site are part of the public opinion. As far as reason abandoning, you would have to realize that just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean they have abandoned all thought and reason. Dont hate the players hate the game foo!!
Kinect, Kinect Snore more like! /lame
do people have nothing better to do besides troll?
Nope, nothing better. I'm starting to get used to it.
I like the idea of Kinect. The Eyetoy failed to bring it main stream. I hope they succeed.
bubbles up for that wonderful positivity. So many trolls on this site think they are gamers, when in fact, they are simply haters. Natal has the potential to be something new and different. No buttons, no marital aids. I hope they succeed, too. Success will bring additional development and new investment. All innovation depends on it.