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Sony Has Open Net as Kinect Fails to Impress

"Fans and media alike were present earlier tonight as Microsoft decided to go ahead and present their upcoming motion sensor, essentially EyeToy clone, Kinect. Well, it appears that things got very strange very fast and may have just cemented the PlayStation Move’s victory."

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dizzleK5063d ago

sony, the ball is in your court now. don't screw this up.

SOAD5063d ago

How can they screw up? They've announced awesome games before E3 so no matter how poorly they perform at E3 they can still fall back on their games.

cyborg69715063d ago

X were you at the creepy poncho fest? They showed no hardcore games and this is they're show for Tuesday. Ms has nothing as usual.

Anon19745063d ago

The 360 is a console for the hardcore gamers. There's something like 40 million of them now. While I understand Microsoft trying to appeal to the casual market, I think it's an excellent business move, what isn't a good business move is ignoring your base that's been buying your product up until this point. You've got 40 million users who already own the console, buying an add-on isn't as major a purchase as new users who need to buy Kinect and a 360.

If Microsoft had any sense, half of the games we'd seen so far would appeal to their hardcore audience. The only reason I can think of that Microsoft wouldn't be doing this is that Kinect doesn't work for hardcore games, or they don't think the hardcore would buy such a device. And one or two games isn't going to cut it. Existing 360 owners are going to need some assurances that games are in the works that they'd actually play before they invest in this hardware.

athlon7705063d ago

So you didn't read IGN's review then...

http://games.ign.com/articl...

"At several points the avatars would move before the actors did, ruining the illusion of a real live demo of Kinect. This body-synch debacle makes Milli Vanilli's legendary lip-synch outrage look tame by comparison."

Good 'ol Microsoft, still trying to pull the wool over everyone eyes...well, I guess it worked in your case, no?

oldjadedgamer5063d ago

@darkride66

I don't think it is a mistake for them to switch from the hardcore to casual market. I'm sure they are under pressure from investors to produce a profit. It doesn't take a mathwiz to see who is making the most money this generation.

Is it a mistake to piss off your hardcore fans? Yes, but if they thought they could make the next wii, I'm sure they don't mind casuals over us.

BISHOP-BRASIL5063d ago

Not only the sync was still considerably off and lag was present, but also I haven't seen anything not possible on Eye... Specially Kinetic Sports and Kinectimals already exist in PS2/PS3 as EyeToy Sports and EyePet.

The only maybe techinical impressive game were the dancing game, that if the character were following you... Which actually doesn-t look like to be the case... Looks like the character is doing the moves so you can mimic it and even so appears the game rewards the harmonix guy for doing many moves incomplete, out of sync and totally wrong... I can be wrong through.

And ESPN... Well... If you are into sports I believe it is good news, but with internet on the level it is today, this isn't a game changer... They actually were better promoting kinetic as a hands-free remote than promoting it as a gaming controller... But coming as a freebie for gold members sounds good considering MS usual stuff... At least it justify better those 50 bucks.

I'm afraid to say the high point in MS E3 was MGS Rising gameplay (looks a lot like Afro Samurai and that's really cool, but also it screams spin-off... snake in my ass, more like cut your way in!).

For already announced titles, they had a good selection of exclusives. Halo Reach trailer made me want to come back to Halo.

The new 360 looks cool, but I will wait and see if this turns out to be more reliable than its predecessor. For 150 bucks with a big HD it's a steal, maybe I just jump before next year. And what's up with the media buy out at the end? I wish I had that kind of money to handle consoles around or could at least been there to get one for free... LOL

So far Microsoft did average to good in my book, they had better E3 before... No Kinetic gameplay of Ghost Recon or any hardcore game at all, only one new gamepad normal game exclusive announcement (the Crytek one), too much focus on non gaming features ...

I'm afraid Sony can go the same way if they focus too much on Move and new PSN service(s). This looks to be one of the best year for gaming in years but still companies may be missing the point with the motion control thing.

Aquanox5063d ago

Failed to impress? lol ...

Ohhh... playstationlife.net.

Watch the MS conference and think again. The thing is absolutely impressive. My no gamers relatives were totally blown away.

BISHOP-BRASIL5063d ago

You relatives should have loved the PS2 then...

Kinectimals
http://www.reevoo.com/decid...
http://img.game.co.uk/ml/3/...

Kinect Sports
http://www.geekculture.dk/b...

Your Shape: Fitness Evolved
http://www.playstartgames.c...
http://www.pwned.com/gameco...
http://ps2.guias-trucos-jue...

Kinect Adventures
http://wpcontent.answers.co...

Dance Central
http://img224.imageshack.us...
http://i34.tinypic.com/50mr...

Kinect Joyride is the only game I don't remember a EyeToy similar...

Inovation my ass.

NY_State5063d ago

Oh God Christmas has come early! lol

from athlon770 link http://games.ign.com/articl...

Patch: 11:48pm Sunday - Kinect reveal. Look, it has to be said: that was one of the single biggest cluster****s I've ever seen at a games event, hands down. With the eyes of the world on Microsoft, it decides that the best course of action, for whatever profound reason, is not to truly unveil much of anything. Instead, the audience is assaulted with a strange and shambolic mess of pretentious garbage, muddy messaging and glimpses of very uninspiring games. Good lord.

NaViTo5063d ago (Edited 5063d ago )

That's impressive too:

Aquanox5063d ago

Which one of those games could be convincingly played with your body? Everything seen so far have been failed attempts until Kinect, which make something 1 yera ago we thought could only be done in futuristic movies into reality.

Come on guys, wake up and smell the coffee, throw away the fanboyism and appreciatte what the future in gaming is.

BISHOP-BRASIL5062d ago

"Come on guys, wake up and smell the coffee, throw away the fanboyism and appreciatte what the future in gaming is."

Pre-recorded bullcrap for us to try to follow and sync? It was the only thing to be appreciated at MS's conference...

And EyePet (european camera only version), EyeToy Antigrav and EyeToy Kinetic have EXACTLY the same controls and concept of Kinectimals, Kinect Adventures and Your Shape: Fitness Evolved, respectivelly, based on what we have seen.

"Which one of those games could be convincingly played with your body? Everything seen so far have been failed attempts until Kinect"

All of those could be controlled with your body, that's how the camera thing is supposed to work. duh... And don't even try the convincing part, nothing so far has been worse or better than Kinect, simply because we still don't know it it works! Pre-recorded crap and too much lag in Your Shape (the only thing that looked like it were actually being played) aren't exactly convincing for me.

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Godmars2905063d ago

Think its going to be about Sony following in the wake of damage control MS now has to do. Sony could win their presentation on non-Move titles, but its those same titles people are going to be looking as non-Wii clones.

Killzone3Helghast5063d ago

... win for Sony

it will be like an overkill fatality rip your head off move in Mortal Kombat but by the mighty KB himself

he is god... you cannot deny it

sikbeta5063d ago (Edited 5063d ago )

Sony will not Screw this up, Games are the only thing that matters, now that Sony Unveiled The Sequels, it's Time to Show the New IPs and more info about those games announced last year like TLG and Agent....

Godmars2905063d ago

Well apparently many think KB will make or break their presentation.

LukaX235063d ago

I laughed so hard when I saw the photo of Kevin Butler using the PlayStation Move!

secksi-killer5063d ago

i dont like playstationfanboystyle.net one bit. a site that writes pure hit getting trash imo. and can someone enlighten me, because i thought the natal/kinetic (what a crap name lol) presentation was today ??

another great piece from a crappy site!

how about showing us some kz3 or gt5 instead of your crap fanboy blogs

AssassinHD5063d ago (Edited 5063d ago )

There are so many ways in which you are wrong in your comment. PSLS is the best PlayStation centric site out there in my opinion, bar none. I don't understand how you can say that they write "pure hit getting trash".

Let's look at their 10 most recent articles:

"Gameloft announces PSN exclusive"

"E3 2010 Press Conference Times"

"Move charging dock unveiled"

"Gran Turismo 5 E3 gameplay surfaces"

"Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines E3 trailer sneaks in"

"Pirates assemble Armada of the Damned trailer"

"E3 releases FIFA 11 Personality + Video"

"Tech expert claims PS Move is more precise than Kinect" <---Quote from a BBC tech expert.

"Exquisite Crysis 2 gameplay screens"

"Top artists to be featured in Activision's upcoming games"

^^^^^

Those articles are examples of actual gaming news, unlike what one might find on this site. This site is made up mostly of pixel counting comparisons, opinion pieces, and top 5-10 lists. Oh and let's not forget the cosplay babe of the day.

There was only one article in that list of their latest 10 articles that could even remotely be considered "hit getting".

Did you know that there is also an Xboxlifestyle.net owned and operated by the same person?

PSLS is a good site, run by good people. Period.

RamoUP5063d ago

i agree with u .. i headed over to the site and all u c is them bashing the xbox calling kinect an eyetoy clone lol when eyetoy wasn't even successful on ps2 .. idc man i own all systems im not a fanboy but psls has to chill with the bashing

nycredude5063d ago

Dude Kinect IS an eyetoy clone. Anybody who has seen the or used the eyetoy knows it. Why are some people stil in denial. MS's conference proved it.

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darren_poolies5063d ago

Hahaha thanks for that, it was really good, if you meant it in that way. :P
'the BALL is in your court', taking the mick out of Microsoft's red ball game for Kinect(Natal sounds so much better)?

morkendo5063d ago (Edited 5063d ago )

begins in 17 min. LET THE Excitement Begin!!!!!!

Honky Kong5063d ago

you gonna become an xbox cling on?
get a job.

sniper-squeak5063d ago

sony have done right by going from "controller" to "motion controller", MS went straight from controller to "motion sensing". It's always sensible to have "a road on your bridge to success"

huzzaahh5063d ago

Big red balls, to be exact.

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LordMarius5063d ago

Whoa whoa lets not get ahead of ourselves, MS still has a press conference to do in which Im sure we will se much of Kinect. The last event was just to produce a very elegant commercial nothing more

Arnon5063d ago

Thank god you actually saw the premise of this. The entire thing was basically a commercial for Kinect.

JD_Shadow5063d ago

A very, very strange commercial which didn't say one damn thing and left a lot of people very uncomfortable.

The "crying baby" seemed to grow up and have one huge ass family if that was all an infomercial.

Christopher5063d ago (Edited 5063d ago )

Pretty much, Marius. I think everyone wanted to see more, but it was hard not going in knowing that the target of this wasn't the hardcore audience and focus on releasing specs and complete game lists. Would have been killer to see some new capabilities shown, but just didn't happen.

P.S. I preferred the first version of your avatar rather than the sequel version :p j/k

madpuppy5063d ago

Less Animatronic Elephant, more ACTUAL demos and allowing the press to actually use Kinect.

Raf1k15063d ago

I hope MS's conference today is good. I want to see new games but I'm expecting lots of Kinect stuff.

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razorc035063d ago

You need to better than this if you want to get my attention.

MegaPowa5063d ago

Since you are posting here.

SonyNGP5063d ago

And then N4G is gonna be filled with 3DS and Zelda news.

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Air Conflicts: Secret Wars - PlayStation Move's Best Kept Secret

Air Conflicts: Secret Wars debuted in 2011, and later updated for modern consoles. However, it's the PlayStation 3 edition that stands out.

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Joy Ride Turbo - The Beginning of the End for Xbox Kinect

Joy Ride Turbo launched 10 years ago today. The first title was Xbox Kinect exclusive, yet this sequel failed to support the device at all.

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10 of the Biggest Video Game Hardware Failures Ever

Cultured Vultures: "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal, and no matter how much developers might try, some gaming hardware just fails to hit the mark. We’ve compiled a list of 10 gaming hardware fails, and boy did some fail hard."

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Knightofelemia824d ago

I would label the Power Glove, Kinect, and that Tony Hawk skateboard more as hardware addons hardware failure would be like the Virtual Boy and one day Stadia.

Magog823d ago

Kinect was bundled with every Xbox One and inflated the price on an already underpowered and low RAM machine so for the One it wasn't an accessory as much as a white elephant.

CaptainHenry916823d ago (Edited 823d ago )

Definitely the RROD but that power glove had a lot of issues as well. The Kinect just didn't work

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CrimsonWing69823d ago

Hardware add-ons are more like RAM or a video card, basically components that enhance capabilities or performance of the computer.

If you really want to get technical the Kinect is more of a peripheral device, kind of like a keyboard or mouse to a computer.

ThatsGaming823d ago

The person in this article obviously is not up on their gaming history....

Sega Saturn, Sega Dreamcast, Coleco Gemini, Commodore 128, Commodore Amiga, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 were all massive failures and in most cases cost their companies participating in future gaming generations.

Gamer79823d ago

Sega saturn (successful in Japan) and dreamcast were not failures.
Seems like you're not up on you're gaming history

septemberindecember823d ago

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How in the world are the Sega Saturn and Dreamcast not seen as failures? They both sold around 8M each, which is much lower than the ~30M that the Genesis had sold before it, and even the Master System before that. They were both the worst selling consoles in their respective generation (PS1, N64 outsold Saturn, PS2, GC, and Xbox outsold Dreamcast). Both of the consoles were incredibly short lived. The Saturn was discontinued in every territory but Japan after just three years. In Japan the console was discontinued after six years. Meanwhile the Dreamcast was discontinued worldwide in 2001 after launching in most territories in 1999 and in Japan in 1998. The failure of the Saturn and Dreamcast lead to Sega pulling out of the hardware market. Which, by the way, all of this occurred when Sega was massively dropping the price of their consoles quickly to compete. Sega was hemorrhaging money at this point.

None of this indicates a successful console. Saying the Saturn was a success because it did better in Japan is like saying the Vita is a success (they both sold around the same amount of units in Japan). Even the Wii U outsold these consoles worldwide.

Magog823d ago

The picture should be the 360 RROD. When I think of gaming hardware failures that's what springs to mind. Kinect and it's bundled price tag definitely hobbled the already underpowered Xbox One though for sure so I would give it a close second place.

porkChop823d ago (Edited 823d ago )

That's not what the author means by failures. It's about hardware that failed in terms of sales (Wii U) or just failed to deliver on its promise (Kinect).

Magog823d ago (Edited 823d ago )

Given that the 360 had a year head start, much easier hardware to develop for, was cheaper, and still ended up in third place I think it qualifies especially when you factor in the frustration and huge losses incurred by RROD.

porkChop823d ago

Selling over 80 million consoles isn't a sales flop. We get it, you don't like Xbox, but that doesn't mean the 360 is suddenly a failure.

Rhythmattic822d ago

Porky....
You know how many people I know bought a 2nd or third 360 due to RROD? Even when MS had to confront the issue with replacement systems, my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in, and waiting for a replacement.,,..,..
If that's how you consider it a win... OK.. but so is having 5 , of which 3 don't function.... Its a win win....mwhahahahaha

porkChop822d ago

"my mates couldn't wait for even the turnaround of sending it in"

You're acting like it would take months. When I sent my 360 in I got a new one literally 5 days later. As soon as MS had tracking confirmation that you sent yours, they'd send a new one to you the same day. No one is going to spend hundreds to buy a new console instead of waiting a week. I swear you guys pull some of the dumbest shit out of nowhere and think people will actually believe it.

Regardless, none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about.

Rhythmattic821d ago (Edited 821d ago )

Porky
"You're acting like it would take months"
Sometimes it could.. FFS.. 'Strya here...
Best turnaround I reckon was 2-3 weeks.....
Either way, My mates experiences still exist.. So Sorry, no point trying to earn Xbox Achievements when it doesn't feature in what was a situation you never dealt with,,,,
3 of my friends would disagree (overall, 10 extra Xboxes purchased)
Regardless.. MS sold a lot of 360's that was due to this reason.. That is sales. Fact

"none of this changes the fact that this isn't what the article is even about."
Headline says HELLO !
Oh and "Sadly, not all hardware is created equal," that's enough to pass this on without taking your article bias into consideration.....
As for the rest.... Ok.. But you've actually gone out of your way to give MS a Pass... Fap on.

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Aloymetal823d ago (Edited 823d ago )

Yup, and because of that big fiasco MS had to fork out 1 billion but knowing them I think they're very proud of the 360, it's the only time a MS console reached 80mil+ sales, RROD played a big part of that and a record they will never break again.

Rhythmattic822d ago (Edited 822d ago )

So true.. Even when MS accepted they where caught out in the biggest lie of any generation, The wait for a replacement was outweighed by just buying another, and having one be returned as a backup, which, btw, generally failed on first swap.
I own honestly can't believe MS tards are just supporting , or arguing why and what MS did by just dismissing it....

lonewolf10823d ago

Lol I had the Atari Jaguar, surprised its "competition" the 3DO isn't on the list too, both as "popular" as each other.

SullysCigar823d ago

Lol same. Played the crap out of Aliens Vs Predator and Tempest 2000 .... aaand that's about it really!!

lonewolf10823d ago

Sad but true that was pretty much it.

Kurt Russell823d ago

Agreed, I never actually saw a 3DO make it to retailers in the UK. At least the Atari Jaguar was sold for around 6 months.

lonewolf10823d ago

It made it to some my brother got one, fared just as well as the Jaguar so most probably hard to find in general.

darthv72823d ago

3do had way better games. Jaguar not so much. Neo Geo sold less than both and yet isnt considered a failure. Go figure.

LWOGaming823d ago

Stadia is a weird one. It hasn’t sold at all well but in terms of how it works it’s still miles ahead of Xcloud in terms of stability and performance. Xcloud is still a way behind and that needs sorting but it will be in time. Stadia for me is one of those things that will go down as a what could have been moments. With better marketing it could have been a roaring success. I still play it and it remains the best place in my opinion to play CyberPunk 2077. Only platform I have played it on without having any issues at all. The tech is great. The concept is fine. Marketing terrible. Shame really.

Magog823d ago

The sales model was awful. They should have teamed with an existing player to allow for local and cloud access to games or a gaming subscription service.

LWOGaming823d ago

It was a strange mess from such a huge company, as I said, as a system it works really well but without gamers it’s nothing. Such a waste,

LWOGaming823d ago

The Xbox One was Microsoft’s Nintendo Wii U. Undercooked, undersold and just an unholy mess. The thing is with any of these failures is to learn from them and thankfully both Nintendo and Xbox did just that to the benefit of gamers everywhere.

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