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Submitted by killyourfm 1556d ago | opinion piece

Microsoft's Kinect Launch Lineup Reveals Imitation, Not Innovation

Ex: Earlier this evening USA Today officially broke the news (which as of this writing has been pulled from USA Today's Game Hunters section) that Microsoft's Project Natal's final name is Kinect. Most likely a play on the words 'connect' and 'kinetic,' the Xbox 360 peripheral is expected to make an impact with its controller-free, motion sensing technology.

Then why is it so easy to draw parallels to the Wii when analyzing the Kinect launch lineup? (Kinect, Microsoft, Project Natal, Xbox 360)

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Sunny_D  +   1556d ago
So true. So true. Same thing with the MOVE. Motion controls are jsut a gimmick trying to copy Nintendo's style.
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-Alpha  +   1556d ago | Intelligent
But even MOVE is imitating Wii Games. These games are expected to demonstrate the technology. They are easy to make and demonstrate the concept and use of the product in a way that everyone can relate to. That's why they exist. However, I surely expect more to come out of the products.

I don't like articles like this that try to start unnecessary controversy. People shouldn't be surprised seeing these early demo titles. The title of this article makes it sound as if Kinect has to be either innovative or imitative. Frankly the word "innovative" gets tossed around way too much for my liking, but the point is that these titles are completely expected and the title makes it sound like Imitation or Innovation are the only options. So either do something that gamers have never seen or GTFO? I hope no one has endorsed that attitude. I know MS tried to hype it as innovative but that's like believing Sony's PS3 really does "Everything". I have expectations for Kinect but I'm not going to deem it a failure if it doesn't "innovate" gaming, especially based off these demo titles. What kind of journalism does that? The idea is to see the technology and to build off of it. You can't expect complex games to form. Even Socom 4 isn't using MOVE exclusively, we've yet to see a game use the features of motion control more exclusively and we shouldn't today. The following week will change all of that.

I would withhold judgment until the 17th when MS reveals everything else about Kinect.

Remember, tomorrow is not about Kinect at all, just the 360. There is a separate day for Kinect.
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deadreckoning666  +   1556d ago
@Alpha- Bubbles up!

@sunnyd- LOL at ur stealth edit dude.
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Aquanox  +   1556d ago
He's jealous because he wasn't invited to Kinect conference.

Watch the damn live blogs and know there's a lot of stuff apart from what LA Times revealed. Double vader's light saber included =)
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Conloles  +   1556d ago
Anyone who honestly thought these were gonna be for the hardcore market is delusional, these are such a blatant cash grab for the casual market. I'm pretty disappointed as now we're going to see hardly any hardcore games.
jack_burt0n  +   1556d ago
@alpha

"I would withhold judgment until the 17th when MS reveals everything else about Kinect. "

The natal conference just finished.

@alpha
LOL thats the broadcast of the jungle circus show which just finished.
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-Alpha  +   1556d ago
@Conloles & Jack
@jack

No, it didn't. This was a private viewing: http://www.e3expo.com/

Look at the right side. They actually changed it, but now it seems Kinect's conference is going to be Tuesday, and today (Monday) will be about the Xbox.

@Conloles

First of all, I just understood your name. Consoles= Con"lol"es. Clever.

Second, motion controls are not going to take over traditional gaming. I do not for a second think a majority will adopt motion controls. As for hardcore games, what makes us so hardcore? Is it the fact that we play complex shooters? RPGs? I mean, I enjoy the Sims, Flower, Rock Band, etc. but apparently these are casual games. I don't care about calling myself a hardcore gamer. I don't care if Move or Natal doesn't have hardcore games. I just want what is appealing to me, and if something appeals to me then I will be interested in purchasing it.
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ARBitrator  +   1556d ago
Really?
Can anyone name ANY video game that doesn't draw a parallel form something else that they have hear or seen. What is this guy's point, he sound like a crybaby little biotch looking for something to draw hits to his site.

Overall, this article was lame to me.
Bnet343  +   1556d ago
good read alpha male, you'll have 10 bubbles while we all have 4 lol. very good points man.
beardpapa  +   1556d ago
well the guy writing the article is talking about the games MS is pairing with the Kinect.

He's not really saying the device itself is imitation, but that the presented games are really just stuff that the Wii already has and not games that really reflect the potential of the device.

The same can be said about the Move, but hey at least Move showed RE5 and Socom can be done. MS just has to show us that a non-casual game can be done on the Kinect.
-Alpha  +   1556d ago
@beard
Sony really didn't show anything exclusive about Move technology. I mean, even the Wii can do the Resident Evil and Socom motion that Sony demonstrated. Would you really notice the difference of the motion technology? This was thrown out just to show hardcore gamers they have Sony's support. I'm still waiting for the games to focus entirely on Move's technology. This was very easy for Sony to do and once they did it it allowed people to ask "Where's Natal's hardcore support?" Smart move by Sony (do I even need to tell you I'm making the pun purposely?) Sony revealed Socom with MOVE a long time ago but I didn't need to see it to know it could be done. I of course wasn't expecting to see complex uses of MOVE all those months ago, but of course, what better way to feed the war than to show a hardcore game with motion support. It was a clever move, regardless of Sony did it intentionally.

Most of what we saw from MOVE focused around those games that no one wants and from what this article is complaining about-- Wii Sports games, that are purposely designed for ease of demonstration purposes. Sony even used that mature fighting game, but again, it doesn't show anything about hardcore games, just outlines, very simply, the technology behind the motion. That's all MS is doing here. Frankly I think the problem is that MS has shown the technology all year and at this point people just want to see the actual retail games.
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EVILDEAD360  +   1556d ago
Oh expect 1000 of these..'pot calling the kettle black' articles
All year BOTH Move and Natal showed NO innovation.but now it's an issue because of the launch games?

The Natal approach was smart..show the red balls again and again..get bashed by the haters..and watch them huddle by their computer as the news rolls in

Move showed nothing that hasnt been done on the Wii..ever..Sony is just donig something that the Wii can't which is bring better graphics and control..

But Games..ALL have been done on the Wii..
Every demo has been a game from Wii Sports and Wii Sports resort..

They say it appeals to hardcore..but they showed a light gun game..but can they top House of dead Overkill on the Wii?

They use what was a really cool Game Trailers dedut in Socom 4..

But the Wii has been doing shooters forever..
Metroid Prime..like 3 Call of Dutys..Medal of Honer..Conduit..

Hell people sleep on the fact that it was the PS2 using Guncon with the pretty cheesy Redsident Evil: Dead Aim games that tried to innovate the FPS shooter with aiming techniques..

I've said it from day one..Move and Natal need to do exactly what the Wii did to be successful..pack-in a bowling game and some other mini-sports that the family can enjoy in the holidays and show off to other people..and watch the sales pour in.

The author of the article obviously doesnt know much about the games..because there really hasnt been a volleyball game where you set and hit like you would in real life..I honestly think that's a great one..on paper (watch it suck..hard in real life though)

I salute what both Sony and Microsft are doing..but don't sleep on the giant wall of games that the Wii has at your local gamestop..because they have done it all with motion controls ad nauseum..but the differences will ANY of the new motion controllers have a game like Zelda, Mario, or the new Metroid..

That what makes this gen so special..you got so many choices..for fans of ALL systems

Evil
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Dark_king  +   1556d ago
well technical the boxing game is just a move game alpha.Then Socom may use both controller or the move with Zipper stating move players had an advantage over DS3 players.But the game I am waiting to hear have Move support is elder scrolls.Cloud got me excited thinking about using it for a game like that.Actully controlling your sword and shield,using voice commands to cast spells.Just got to love the possibilities.And of course any hard core natal game is not going to be ready to show yet.It takes years to make those games and they haven't had that long yet.Actually they probably haven't had six whole months with the final build specs to work with. originally the cam was suppose to do all its own processing when that changed so to would any game counting on using the 360 processor to its fullest.Better games will come,it just takes time to make them.
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niceguywii60  +   1556d ago
Nike said it best
"Lame
The author has no idea what's really going on over there.
Who?Disagree(2)Agree(0)Nike | 18m ago"

examiner.com is suddenly PS3 fanboys favorite site again?
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Blaze929  +   1556d ago
examiner.com for ya. Quick, someone turn the event into a tweet so they can understand what's going on.
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killyourfm  +   1556d ago
Take a look at my article list and you'll see tons of pro-360 coverage.It's an opinion piece folks, everyone has them.
Nike  +   1556d ago
@killyourfm
All you did was look at an ad and summarize that MS is imitating the Wii with Kinect.

No mention of video chat. No mention of Star Wars or Disney. No mention of Track and Field. No mention about the yoga and Tai Chi. No mention about what was actually happening on the floor. You just looked at every one else's rumours and decide to paste your own condescending opinion about it.

If I sound bitter, it's because I find it sad how Examiner's abuse of reporting tweets as news stories caused a legit Tweet feed by a journalist who snuck into and took pics of the event to get failed, while this tripe got passed.

It's not about you being pro-Microsoft or pro-Sony. It's about you being a complete and utter tabloidist only looking to stir controversy for the greatest number of views, passing quick judgement for the sake of some short-term hits.

@Parapraxis: Look at the statement that completes the paragraph -

"You just looked at every one else's rumours and decide to paste your own condescending opinion about it."

We all know MS's strategy for appealing to the casuals with their games, and it's obvious they'd imitate the Wii's library of instant hits. The issue is this guy's reporting. I highly doubt this guy went any where near those demos and tried them out. I'm questioning his credibility and urge to stir controversy just for the sake of N4G hits. That's obvious in the omitted details - you'd think some one who was actually there would mention light saber dueling with Darth Vader in Star Wars.
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Parapraxis  +   1556d ago
"No mention of video chat. No mention of Star Wars or Disney. No mention of Track and Field. No mention about the yoga and Tai Chi."
MS is imitating the Wii with Kinect, if you don't realize this...wow.

http://yfrog.com/0y79qhj
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pain777pas  +   1556d ago
Remember the Wii is a response to the eyetoy and that was Sony's baby though I can say that Nintendo is the most successful and will remain the most success full unless Move has a hardcore shooter/horror game that makes use of all the tech. Kinect seems to smell of fail but I want Kameo to succeed so I might get this thing at somepoint at a much lower price point.
Parapraxis  +   1556d ago
So all casual games.
Awesome =D
PLASTICA-MAN  +   1556d ago
Kevin Butler strikes again looool !
http://twitter.com/TheKevin...
MostJadedGamer  +   1556d ago
Kinect is Dead On Arrival
Casual, and Non gamers already got a Wii, and are not going to buy another motion control console while hardcore gamers are not going to touch this crap with a 10 foot pole.
Ilikegames76  +   1556d ago
Wii
is more reliable too.
RememberThe357  +   1556d ago
Either way MS has shown that Kinetic is not for the hardcore.
I think it's time for MS fanboys to drop this illusion that Kinetic will offer much in terms of a hardcore experience.

I personally don't see anything wrong with it. There will always be hardcore games so I don't see the casual movement as a threat. The more the merrier. I sure in the future there will be some games that incorporate Natal with the controller but I don't see it being a significant enough addition to warrant the purchase.
epoxy79  +   1549d ago
OMG
Im tired of debating

http://stanford-online.stan...

watch for yourselves. Sony has been reseaching and perfecting this tech for years before the wii came out. and kinect being innovative give me a break.

open your eyes!!
Dylantalon1  +   1556d ago
xbl/psn- dylantalon
kant-heck
-Alpha  +   1556d ago
Of course the early games are Wii-like. I am fully expecting these games to exist, they are pretty much games that demonstrate the technology. Even MOVE has it

I'm sure this is not all MS will offer.

@Kill

Natal's official conference is on the 17th. Hopefully they can make a final impression as it is the last major chance MS has before launch
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killyourfm  +   1556d ago
I know it's not all they will offer, and I know the software will improve greatly. But this is NOT a good first impression.
dktxx2  +   1556d ago
add to that - when they introduced it, they showed off milo, the super ai that you could have a conversation with. that, turned into river rafting.

not exactly what they led people to believe it was huh?
SOAD  +   1556d ago
What do you mean? They completely scrapped Milo in favor of that river rafting game? If that's true then I'm really disappointed.

Milo's potential was pretty big. Imagine Wolfram-Alpha in human form. That could be Milo.
dktxx2  +   1556d ago
okay im not going to say they scrapped milo for river rafting, i dont know. i dont think milo was ever going to be a game actually, it was a tech demo of what it was capable of, so ms said.

im trying to say that ms led gamers into thinking natal was capable of truly impressive, innovative things. and it looks like they have absolutely nothing to show for it that is even remotely unique or innovative. maybe they have more to show for it, but i doubt it.
Unicron  +   1556d ago
Indeed Alpha. But considering how much the media and MS have hyped Natal to be the next big innovative thing... well, this feels remarkably subpar.

I still think the best uses will be in tandem with controllers for games like those in the RTS genre (Halo Wars 2 anyone?). But as it stands, this is a personal "nail in the coffin" for my total NOT caring of motion controls this year, on any system. Until I see something that really is amazingly innovative from Sony or MS on the GAME aspect of these motion controls, that's a resounding MEH from me.
Tony-A  +   1556d ago
I thought they would've thrown a hardcore game in there to steal some of that Sony commitment when they said they'll have things for the hardcore.

Instead, they did what I should've know they would do all along.
Ivan Drago IV  +   1556d ago
Kinect
"Only $149.99 US dollars" Riiiiver Rush! oh and this http://www.youtube.com/watc...
mookins  +   1556d ago
Wow, someone actually criticized Kinect? Unheard of!

Still not impressed with Microsoft.
DaThreats  +   1556d ago
Well Kinect name is not innovative
Nike  +   1556d ago
Check out this live tweet for more up-to date info on Kinect.

http://twitter.com/Feep

Sample this awesome description:

"Screens coming down, unveiling, like...fifteen floating rooms with families dancing in them?"

"Man, this is just...what."

"Upside down lady again! Bouncing a ball. Upside down."

"Flying...fucking...avat ars in space? Jesus Christ, Microsoft."

Good stuff. Better than Examiner arm chair critics.
Fiona  +   1556d ago
I believe MS will bring something for the hardcore, which i am interested. But i see natal or KINECT will be for casual gaming. Like MOVE will be. But I dig the concept of Kinect, hell, im planning to get it for my mom. those are the king of games she likes.
jkhan  +   1556d ago
I agree with alpha male on this, but just because Wii has it and Sony Move has it, doesn't mean Natal/Kinetic needs to have it as well. They promised a ground breaking experience. So far we are shown casual games that offer nothing but just an alternative to Wii. I think we should have known better. Both Microsoft and Sony are going after Wii crowd and they are offering games that are similar to Wii but with better graphics.
whydoyouask  +   1556d ago
Well DUH!
Of course they're going to be like Wii games at first. It's funny how people think that Sony will be different here's a tip, Wii sold over 70 million units not catering to the hardcore. So what do you think Microsoft AND Sony are going to do? They are going to do what could possibly make them the most money, and that's not with the hardcore. I know it's sad, but it's true.

Also...how did that guy tweet from in there. I thought they all had to shut of anything electronic. Or is it anything that could take pictures?
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rob6021  +   1556d ago
several people were tweeting during the event, even CliffyB himself was.
crapgamer  +   1556d ago
This article is such a joke
So they introduce the new name "Kinect" and show off some games that target it's core audience (casual gamers) where is the shock in this? I'm sure we will see some surprises for it tomorrow. I know Ghost Recon, Fable 3, and rumored Metal Gear game are supposed to work with it. So ya never know. However I've seen articles with rumored prices from $99, $120, $180 so we don't know that either. It's still too early to speculate on anything. That show looked to be amazing though.
ArcFatalix  +   1556d ago
True
They dont have any games and Natal is average as well, i doubt any hardcore gamer will enjoy that,

Seeing all this blind defense for natal is hilarious.

guess what back to halo gears all over again, thats what xbox is and will be.
Hallmark Moment  +   1556d ago
All in good time my Hardcore friends.
StarScream4Ever  +   1556d ago
I don't care if they named it Kinect 4. If the games does not impressed, then I do not want to hear it. Besides, didn't Eyetoy demonstrated that without controllers things wouldn't just work as well as it should?
adamx  +   1556d ago
*eye toy never existed*...
Parapraxis  +   1556d ago
Kinectimals FTW.
http://img.photobucket.com/...

Cry me a river Bzone24, and lighten up.
I didn't make the bloody thing.
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Unicron  +   1556d ago
Okay, that was cheesy, but I lol'ed.
StarScream4Ever  +   1556d ago
iLol'd
Bzone24  +   1556d ago
That was a complete waste of time... Wow. Are you serious? Really pathetic man. I'm embarrassed for you.
Tazz1992  +   1556d ago
Every time i hear this new name i think of those toys that came out a long time ago called k'nex.
I think i will have more fun with my K'nex rather than the xbox kinect

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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Moonboots  +   1556d ago
Wii.

If the world can accept that I think Kinect will be OK.
mirroredderorrim  +   1556d ago
@Parapraxis
Wow. That was fast.
coolasj  +   1556d ago
What Happened To
MS's conference info being locked down like Nuclear Launch Codes? im really worried about our stockpile if our launch codes are only locked down THIS tight. i thought only like 3 people knew about it.
dizzleK  +   1556d ago
i know i can't wait to mc hammer dance across the living room just to play a game.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

timmy, what's all that noise in there?
i'm playing battling seizure robots, mom. *wipes brow* so....awesome.
Parapraxis  +   1556d ago
LMAO, great.
Tazz1992  +   1556d ago
@ Moonboots
but the wii is not a bad name is actually catchy Wii, like having fun
kinect umm yeah...
Moonboots  +   1556d ago
Using your analogy about what you think about when you hear Kinect?? Okay :)
biggame901  +   1556d ago
Personally, I don't care for motion controls, and the Move games appear to be imitating Wii games at this stage as well. It is to be expected, as that is the crowd being targeted by both Sony and Microsoft.

That being said, the XBox Kinect was supposed to bring a revolution to the way games are played, according to the hype from the media. However, we only see the same Wii clones. As of right now, the first showing appears to be relatively unimpressive.
prettyboy1  +   1556d ago
wut i said
is coming true.this knect or wut eva is not goin to go well.like i said before the majority of 360 owners r hardcore gamers not casual gamers.this is goin blow up in ms face.u cant jus turn ur bk on the people (hardcore gamers)thats makin u money.anyways peace and gaming
Tazz1992  +   1556d ago
@ moonboots

I may know the difference but who are they aiming this towards casual gamers which will most likely be little kids
don't think they would have a clue what the name means and like i stated before the Wii has a name that u can understand and so does the PlayStation move.
care to argue back even more?
tiamat5  +   1556d ago
I'm sorry but unless the Kinect can follow every movement you make at any speed and distinguish between different gestures, subtle motion or complex movement I'm afraid what it can do will be severely limited. At least the PSEYE can recognize the Move Wand no matter what. But can the Kinect recognize each individual finger on my hand, or different colours of clothes or different colours of skin or what object or person doesn't belong in the game? We'll see.
Sagetech  +   1556d ago
WTF
1st, there's Kinectimals which lets you interact with, train and play with 20 different virtual cats, including a lion, cheetah and tiger. Kinectimals sounds like a disease...
Bellcross  +   1556d ago
So we get to play with pussies?.....sigh
house  +   1556d ago
hahaha
that was to funny
LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1556d ago
Wait until Tuesday. :)
bunfighterii  +   1556d ago
do not want...
Senden  +   1556d ago
Well they are playing catchup but in all fairness and honesty, when have microsoft been innovative and trying to push gaming boundaries and rethink how "GAMERS" look at games? Like never? Hate to admit it but looks like sony is the place to go for innovation.
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