A once-thriving garden of enchanting story and addictive action has been reduced to a graveyard filled with rotting corpses, putrid weeds choking all signs of diverse flora. Hubris, ego, and technical evolution are to blame.
Here's one reason : Mass Effect 2
FF13 over 5mil sold across 2 platforms. ME2 less than 2mil sold over 2 platforms. The West ain't the world. JRPGs are doing just fine in the places they were always doing just fine.
Correction FF13 sold 5.5 Million accross PS360 ME2 has sold around 1.7 Million accross PC/360
much. I currently cannot finish FFXIII because of PS3 issues but besides the Story/Music/Graphics I've played other JRPGs that offer more on Gameplay/Battles/Exploration. We all know FF games always sell so them numbers are meh...I doubt there will be another JRPG title that hits those numbers for a while. Probably until the next Final Fantasy. That's only part of the problem, with as to why, JRPGs are perceived to be in decline. Especially in the West. The Genre is not DEAD but WRPGs, coming from the PC--->Consoles have gotten better over the years. Japanese devs are trying to make a lot of their games with more western influence and while disregarding what made JRPGs classic, in a traditional form. Look up the numbers for the sales of JRPGs in Japan, you'd be surprised. Only the Well known Franchises sell a lot and these days with the economy and high production cost, Japanese JRPG sales are no longer enough, to just support Japan. Anyhow, Final Fantasy games will always be praised and bought. On a serious not, I've played all of them and I do not think FFXIII will be the best I've played ALL AROUND.
mass effect 2 was an exclusive where as ff13 is a multiplatform if mass effect 2 was multiplatform it would be highest seller
Mass Effect 2 was a multiplat its on 2 platforms (360/PC) i dnt kno much else about the sale but mass effect is a multiplatform game
I was wondering is Mass effect 2 even a Rpg at all, it look and play like a tps game lol
I'm also a ff13 owner...I have yet to finish it (i pretty much bought the ps3 for this game!). My brother has it on the 360. He has yet to finish it. A co-worker bought it. He traded it without finishing it. just sayin. New Vegas is the only rpg I'm waiting for now.
What makes Mass Effect 2 a RPG? The character creation? Its a Shooter with Skills to use. Mass Effect was a full RPG.
How is it not an rpg, you lvl, gain skills, play the role of someone, interact with npcs in dialog for an engaging story.
If Mass Effect is a shooter with skills, then Demon Souls is an hack n slash with attributes(amazing game btw).
the way you control the player when shooting, the mechanic is the exact same way as a tps game, there so less element that to consider it an rpg
RPG is RPG. Mass Effect is an RPG with an added element. That element is crosshairs. The xfactor in wrpg vs. jrpg Western devs are continuing to do what they can think of to help evolve the rpg genre. Japanese dev's are stuck on one mindset.
I'd much prefer a JRPG over a WRPG, and I'm sure there are millions of people out there that will agree with me here.
Thus I gave you 1 "Agree".
i agrre, there is aa reason why im buying last story, xenoblade and arc rise fantasia instead of fable 3 mass effect or ff13( i dont consider it a jrpg)
That's your opinion. And I'm sure you appreciate the minors in nothing but a mini-skirt and short top.
The Mass Effect/Fallout has made most westerners lose touch with the JRPG. I think JRPGs aren't bringing much new. It's still the whiny 12yr old boy who looks like a girl saves the world theme over and over. Demon's Souls definitely shown us JP can still make great games.
jrpgs dont change????? lol if i remember western rpgs have been the same for ever. some character that doesnt say a word, a game with 0 good cutscenes, a game with tons of fetch quest aaaand yeah.
honestly people haven't playyed games like demon souls, valkyria chronicles, valkyrie profile, xenogears, xenosaga, resonance of fate etc etc...
i will always love jrpgs, tho only western rpgs i enjoy are elder scrolls, fallout, gothic 2, and diablo
all the rest r just bioware games
In general, most JRPGs have been very similiar this gen. No need to be so defensive. We all love different types of games.
NecrumSlavery and I doubt you have played any real good jrpg besides ff. Non jrpg fans always to bash jrpg based on 1 or 2 popular titles.
go play FF 6 and realize JRPG did not start with FF 7
I have a better reason, Japanese are trying to make games that appeal to Americans, and not games that appeal to them, hence the outcome is always shallow. That's the only reason I see. And I don't give a **** about sales am talking games quality, for every game they made on the PS3/Xbox360 there is a better game they made on the PS2. The only exception I can remember is Demon's Souls, that game has a western skin but in its heart is very Japanese, they did what they thought would be good to them and the game came out very solid.
Sure, FF13 sucks and it's a better anime than it is a game... But look at all that fantastic JRPG this GEN Tales Of Vesperia Lost Odyssey NIER Resonance of Fate Monster Hunter Tri Demon's Souls (Also considered the best game this gen by many, and with good reason too) Valkyria Chronicles Folklore Yakuza 3/4 Pokemon (Pearl, Diamond, Black, White, ect) Agarest of War Disgaea 3 There are tonnnes of JRPGs that came out this gen, I can't even name them all because of the 4000 character limit. Sure, there are less JRPGs released on consoles but that's because they're expensive to make, so developers make them on the PSP/DS (Often times the Wii too because of lower Specs). Some of you may argue that some of these games aren't JRPGs, well you're wrong. JRPGs just expanded what it means to be JRPG. They're evolving and this is only further proof why JRPGs are NOT dead.
There's only two really good games on that list.
Demon Souls which plays more like an WRPG then a JRPG and Valkyria which is a turn based tactics/strategy game.
Y A K U Z A 3 & 4 F O R T H E W I N !
yakuza's nothing more than a very enclosed japanese sandbox game with final fight/streets of rage elements... nothing about it is rpg
The first King's Field by From Software was released in 1994. Before Elder Scrolls or Gothic. Since then all action-JRPGs of From have some common gameplay mechanics and setting. So you cannot say, that Demon's Souls is like WRPG, because From Software was the first to make that kind of action-JRPG like King's Field and thus Demon's Souls.
Also Valkyria is a JRPG, because the genre of JRPG is not limited by any gameplay mechanics. There are turn bsed tactical JRPGs like FF Tactics or Jeanne Dark. Only VC doesn't stick to squares or hexagonals (like in Wild Arms FX).
@ evrfighter, have you played the third Yakuza? It's not like the first one anymore. There's much more of action-JRPG elements in it.
Or maybe you know another sandbox game with that much stats to level up?
On the DS, JRPGs are thriving like wildfire.
Elder scrolls was also released in 1994.
And so you know games like FFT and Ogre tactics fall into the strategy genre not jrpg. Which would make Valkyria a strategy game.
You play too much PC games, I suppose. The consoles are different thing. And the genres there somehow differs. FF Tactics, Valkyria and such ARE Tactical JRPGs.
And also.. So what Elder Scroll was released in 1994? It was completely different from King's Field. So still the Demon's Souls follows the gameplay that From Software invented and not WRPGs.
after playing star ocean. last remnant, infinite undiscovery and ff13. i personally cannot seeing me playing another jrpg! boring, cheesy, ultra repetetive and childish, imo fable 2 destroys any jrpg so far this gen. and the mass effect games...well, lets not even go there!
ME2 while great is a shooter with rpg elements. ME1 is way better
I am pretty sure Japan would have something to say about these claims.
If they weren't so ludicrous? Sure. Also, for any one who thinks JRPGs suffer from mediocre story telling, check out: http://www.squallsdead.com/ Go back and play FFVIII after reading this theory, and then tell me they make "dumb stories". Also, this guy thinks Final Fantasy VII is the holy grail of JRPGs which, no disrespect to FFVII, shows how limited his outlook is on the genre. I mean, Shadow Hearts, Fire Emblem, Persona, Vagrant Story, Xenogears, XenoSaga, Maken X, Skies of Arcadia, The World Ends With You...there are so many RPGs that disprove his points. And the first point is just a matter of personal preference ("Ooh, it has Chocobos! How unrealistic and stupid!").
FF7 WAS BETTER THAN ALL OF THOSE! But FF6 is the best FF!
FFVII was nothing, if not mediocre... definitely not the best in the series
Persona 4, Xenosaga: Episode 3, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Xenogears, Skies of Arcadia, and The World Ends With You were all better than Final Fantasy VII. Notice how most of the games I listed had incredibly complex stories. Save your breath. JRPGs are far from over.
go play Demon's Souls and see if you think JRPG's are dead
sure it's an RPG made by a a Japanese studio, but its obvious they were going for the WRPG feel.
Its only a JRPG in the sense it was made by a japanese studio. It's not stylistic of JRPG's at all.
its very much a jrpg
hold on, so because it uses a medievil theme means its western? wtf lol.
right, i gotta remember that next time i actually die in a game...who dies in western rpgs unless they r attacking an elite guard lol....save for diablo :p
i mean in a western rpg u almost never remember the character, no westernn rpg character was ever iconic.....i wonder why.....o yeah they dont do anything
@midgard227 Magna Carta is a franchise made by a korean devs but the game is considered a Jrpg, Shadow Hearts was made by a western dev and the game's considered a Jrpg too. The truth is that DS has more in common with Wrpg than Jrpg... These days Jrpg is considered a sub-genre, not a nationality reference. Of course this is debatable but my examples are strong.
and I have the game...It's an old-school style WRPG by my accounts. Nothing new about it, except the crazy difficulty which caught gamers by surprise looking at today's games.
I don't know why. But then again, people also called Mass Effect 2 a WRPG when in fact, it's just a Third-Person-Shooter game. An example of WRPG game would be Oblivion.
Pokémon is a JRPG so...really?
JRPG's are still in a good space whether people like it or not.
The writer of this article is dead. Brain-dead. /jk But yeah, there are plenty of traditional (Tales, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Monster Hunter) and non-traditional (Resonance of Fate, Demon's Souls, Persona, Disgaea) JRPGs being made. The day they stop selling, followed by the next few years of no one making them is when we could consider them "dead". Hell, they said the adventure genre was dead. But look at just about any single game and you will see elements of adventure in it. The Legend of Zelda, Heavy Rain, Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, sand box games... No genre can ever "die". (Heavy Rain could be considered a "pure" adventure game, and even that saw great sales numbers)
Wonder why so many people hating on JRPGs this generation.
Maybe because they suck. See FF13.
nice troll ... how i miss the open zone sometimes...
How the hell does a troll like you have 4 bubbles?
ONE JRPG SUCKS SO THEY ALL MUST SUCK DURRR HURR I CAN'T LOGIC DERP. Faboi maybe you should stick with FPSs.
"people hating on JRPGs this generation" Cos This is The SHOOTER-GEN and JRPGs don't have Shooter Elements, this gen it's all about.... SHOOT!!!! JRPGs Will Never Die....
the jrpg isnt dead they just arent that huge in the west...
maybe increasingly lacking in creativity.
did you play Resonance of Fate, Demon's Souls, Persona or Valkryia Chronicles
DEAD is a massive over statement. Yes there may not have been as many JRPGs as the past gens and argubaly of the same quality, but to say the genre is dead is a joke.
A next gen turn-based free roaming japanese rpg need to be made like with no linear like style just something thats opened the whole world to roam around in.. then turnbased rpgs would be back
The only thing I agree with is I also wish there were more turn based combat jRPGs. But at the same time I can easily go back and play one of the oldies and it will be just as enjoyable as before, so I'm not too worried about it.
I don't see why people can't enjoy "both" JRPGS and WRPGS, I know I do.
I hate the wander around and find the story games. Usually WRPG lack any real party with characters with any real character. JRPG's are great because you don't have big periods of time where you just "wander" trying to find story - it's more directed and driven and the party's are usually much more interesting than any of the WRPGs (Oblivion was probably the most boring game I've ever played). The exception to this lately was Dragon Age which I really liked but Mass Effect, Oblivion, Fallout 3 etc. really bore me compared to Valkryia Chronicles, Demon's Souls, and Tales of Vesperia etc.
Yet FF13 kicked every other console RPG's ASS in sales And pokemon kicks almost every other games ASS in sales. Dragon quest IX is one of the top selling Dragon Quests ever Conclusion -- JRPG's are aliv....oh wait I mean DEAD!
Yes FF and what other? People like me bought FFXIII solely because of the name but then we played it and realise that it was shit. DQ sells only on Japan. and Pokemon? Come on. There are like 30 pokemon games and all of the are the same! People buy those game because it is Pokemon, if it had any other name but the same gameplay mechanics nobody would care about it.
I can count the good Jrpg's released this gen on one hand... Not even a single SMT game in 5 years and FFXIII sucked really bad. Xenoblade and The Last Story are not out yet so who knows how those will turn out. The Jrpg genere is a dying breed on consoles. Japanese devs are so lazy and cheap that they have moved all their games to handhelds...
I can't count the good jrpg's I've played this gen with two hands.
So I take it you've played Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Valkyria Chronicles, Disgaea 3, Resonance of Fate, Eternal Sonata, Star Ocean: The Last Hope, NIER, Arc Rise Fantasia, Xenoblade, Tales of Graces, and Muramasa: The Demon Blade? Oh, my bad. I thought you actually sampled a good portion of JRPGs that are currently out on consoles before spewing forth all that senseless crap. How silly of me. And I highly doubt you've played Persona 3 or 4 if you are counting the last five years. Those two games put just about every other JRPG to shame. -_- meh No matter what I write here, I know it won't change your opinion. So I'll just stop here and go back to some Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey.
You lost me @ Xenoblade...the game is not out yet. with that out of the way, I think you are one of those people who likes everything, your preference is simply anything Japanese and you are set. Lucky you, am very picky.
but its funny how these claims started when the jrpg developers decided to move away from there fan base and support MS exclusivity for a while.