Project Natal might be seeing the light of day sooner than many had thought. That is if Microsoft has its way.
That's impossible! Not even 2 million will be sold
who are you to say that? unless you have total control over the whole world you never know.. cuz that what we said about Wii too ''THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE it wont even sell 2 consoles''.
Anything is possible. Never say never. Ever.
He's actually an angry PS3 fanboy. He's been one of the worst ones that have been trolling Natal articles. 2 million Natals will be too small of a number for the pre-orders alone. There will be more than 2 million pre-orders just from gamers upgrading their cameras alone not to mention all the possible deals and bundles with games or possible 360 Slim bundles. I'm sure! average games on the 360 sell 2 million. I don't see how a PS3 fanboy no matter how rabid thinks a device/platform that will have it's own games and will enhance older games and dashboard navigation can't sell 2 million. The logic is almost moronic, if it were not for the blatant trolling you would think this guy wasn't very smart. LOL A console where multi player is huge will welcome Natal with it's microphone array. There will be dozens of reason why people will buy Natal.
Agreed, it's not impossible, it all depends on price, method of selling, games, and appeal. We know none of that to say it's impossible. I knew MS was going to be aggressive with Natal. They have a whole E3 dedicated to Natal on the 17th, so I expect to see a ton of information. Everybody was complaining about MS revealing nothing throughout the year but they never intended to: E3 is the perfect place for a media blowout and they know that. Hence, the Times Square feed and the whole day dedicated for a Natal conference. I'm pretty excited to see the games, hopefully we have some strong titles.
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just to have them available before the competition? of all the company's out their Microsoft should know best that you should never sacrifice quality just to meet a deadline.
@Dark Focus You are assuming the product isn't finished or that it has design flaws, which you do not know. If Natal is ready then why not release it early or first? It's a smart move to beat the competition to the punch. If there is anybody who I trust will not F up their product anymore it's Microsoft. They are paying dearly for their mistake and they know it. I'm sure they've learned their lesson having to pay for hardware support. Really, MS's strategy, in my opinion, was to get a decent marketshare this gen, and they did that by being the cheaper console and releasing first. I hope next gen they are confident enough in their reputation of the Xbox to put more care and effort into the console. Sony had that mentality: They trusted that the PlayStation brand would sustain by the name alone, and that kind of reputation is something MS needed to earn.
@darkfocus Who said they are sacrificing quality as far as we know natal is already finished
Wow, August would be awesome. I'm looking forward to using it with my PC just as much as I am with my 360.
Let's be realistic here. The hardcore that already own 360's love their Halo and Gears. They aren't going to buy Natal to leap around their living rooms instead of playing Modern Warfare. The casuals have nothing at this point to entice them away from Nintendo. The bulk of Wii owners aren't big enough gamers to care what the Xbox is doing. They aren't switching. New casual gamers are going to look at the 360 with Natal, look at the cheaper, slimmer and more reliable Wii with Mario happily waving back at them and they're going to choose the Wii...every time. You just don't get more family friendly than Mario. And informed gamers are going to look at the $300 Xbox/Natal price tag - look at the $300 PS3/Blu-Ray price tag and go for the PS3. At the same price point, the PS3 simply offers more reliability and more value at $300. I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say there is no way that Natal will move 5 million units by the end of the year. It's a camera add-on. Although the tech is a bit more advanced, it still just a camera add-on. Edit: Just out of curiosity, what are you disagreeing with? I feel my points are valid. I'd love to hear some counterarguments. Disagrees tell me nothing. These forums are for the free exchange of ideas. Exchange away!
Microsoft pursuing an early release .... it all depends on price... This reminds me of the 360 launch! Remember what you got M$ fanboys? A faulty product!
I disagreed with simply because...imo you are completly wrong. Just one example: MS sells around 9 million consoles a year and maybe something like 3 million in the last quarter with the fall rush etc. If Natal is bundled, everything is pointing at a Natal+360 bundle, it will AUTOMATICALLY sell a bit less than 5 million...AUTOMATICALLY. Now add the couple of new buyers who are going to bite in the hype and there you have it, 5 million Natal sold almost without breaking a sweat. 2 minutes of thinking would have helped you see that your logic is completely flawed. I mean everyone who wants a 360, whether he wants it or not will get it with Natal thanks to the bundles.
DarkRide, the hardcore could easily use Natal if it appeals to them. People play more than Gears and Halo, and just because they do doesn't mean they are all some meatheads who can't enjoy a different product. Mass Effect could work well with Natal in terms of some things, and many people play that. I can see Natal having good uses for hardcore games. Natal really isn't about just jumping around in your living room and I hate how that stereotype is being played. I've seen many fanboys jump on Natal articles resorting to demeaning tactics like that. We do not know how Natal will incorporate hardcore games, but we know studios like Bethesda, Criterion, etc are working on the integration. And I know that Fallout and Burnout doesn't require you to dance around the room. I wish people would stop with that stereotype. I get that it's funny and it's used to poke fun at Natal, but some people end up using it in arguments as if it has any basis. Again, depending on factors like price and appeal, we do not know for certain. I think it's unfair to paint Natal 1-dimensionally as the product that does only "red ball" games. And I sincerely doubt casuals can't be enticed. One thing MS has that Nintendo doesn't is great online features that Natal can benefit from. Also, MS is billing it as a hands-free tool and I think that could very well interest casual gamers. Personally I think it's about pricing and appeal. MS can appeal to the casual gamer, they really can. We hardcore gamers see silly dancing in the red ball demo, casuals see a way to keep kids fit and active. And when do casuals=Mario? I doubt casual users who use Wii are actual gamers in that sense. MS needs to price Natal at the sweet spot to gain casual acceptance. Whether it will sell 5 million in a year, I strongly doubt it, but I have little doubt it will be popular with regular office workers who see a source of entertainment, or mothers, children, etc. It's being advertised on the news, on non-gaming news websites, etc. MS really is pushing this as something that isn't about games to these audiences. You say informed gamers will get the PS3, but the 360 still manages to sell right now at $300 in comparison to PS3 at $300. The PS3 sells better worldwide, but that doesn't mean the 360 doesn't sell well or sell at all. Clearly there are people that prefer the 360, and I don't doubt that will stop. On top of that with the rumors of a rebranding I can easily see MS drop the price of the Xbox models. We know the technology is cheaper for MS and I have zero doubt that if ever threatened they will drop the price. "I'm willing to go out on a limb here and say there is no way that Natal will move 5 million units by the end of the year" I definitely doubt that too, but I do expect it to nonetheless appeal. MS is going to push it hard. How hard and how effective it will be remains to be seen, but I don't want to count it out on the grounds that it's not appealing to hardcore gamers and that it's not good enough for casual gamers. I honestly want to know the price to better speculate. If MS is aiming for 5 million and if they want to meet that goal then I suspect a price drop, pricing, games, and bundles to play a large role.
I dont see it selling 5mil (at least this year). In it's lifetime, i'm sure it'll mount to well over 5mil. But assuming they are launching it near Christmas, 5mil is too optimistic.
It's nice to see people actually talk on these forums instead of just resorting to personal attacks and fanboy bashing. @Boy3000. Bubbles for an intelligent answer (and I wish you had more just to keep the conversation going). You know, that's an excellent point. The estimate for 360 sales this year is 10.5 million, and a meaty chunk of that will come at year end, but you're not factoring in the price and the competition. Microsoft isn't going to sell only Natal bundles from here on in. If they bundle Natal with the Arcade it'll probably be about $300. Bundle it with an Elite and we're looking at $375-$400. Not only will the Natal bundles be competing with the PS3 and Wii, but they'll also be competing with other 360's for price. This is far from a sure thing. @ Alpha-Male22. Always appreciate your comments. Bubbles. But with nothing that we know of to offer the hardcore, which we both know make up the core 360 audience, why would you spend $150 on Natal when you could use that cash to buy Halo:Reach? Natal might have something to offer the hardcore, but as it is now, how many hardcore gamers spend their time rocking out Wii-Sports instead of MW:2? I just don't see this demographic being swayed in only a few months - not in the numbers Microsoft is talking. As for casuals - they aren't going to be swayed because casuals don't purchase multiple game consoles. Most of them don't play their Wii much as is. That's why they're casuals. While Microsoft can attempt to rope in new casuals, they aren't going to touch current Wii owners because current Wii owners just don't care about owning multiple consoles. And when I'm talking bout informed gamers picking the PS3 over the 360, bear in mind I'm talking about a theoretical future where a Natal bundle is the same price as a PS3. A 360 with Natal for the same price as a PS3 - the PS3 still has so much more going for it in terms of a complete package. While some will ultimately choose the 360, I think the bulk of people wouldn't pass up on a Blu-Ray player/free wi-fi/free online/reliable hardware, etc for the same price as a 360 and a camera attachment. And with casuals and Mario - I was thinking more of families. You can't tell me a guy buying a game console for his little ones would pay more for Natal with Milo then he would for Wii with Mario. Just look at the sales for Super Mario Brothers. Have you seen the numbers for that game? It's getting near 14 million. The thing's a monster. Super Mario Galaxy 2 has moved almost 2 million in 2 weeks in NA and Japan alone. What chance does a virtual 10 year old and Ricochet have against that in the family living room? It's not about Natal not being and interesting and marketable product, it's about what it's up against.
Fair enough, it's all speculation right now, but I think after we know the price we can get a better understanding. Also, regarding casuals, I think Nintendo has not only created a more casually appealing product but they also have the games like Wii Fit. I would think though, that MS would push products like this for the casual, and the idea of using your whole body may work well. As for casuals buying multiple consoles, good point, but how many casually-appealing products exist for these casual gamers anyway? Casual gamers only have the Wii because the PS3 and Xbox aren't appealing to them. That's different with Natal because Natal WANTS to appeal to the casuals, so you never really know. Anyway, I agree that 5 million will be a hard sell but if MS is determined then I don't doubt that they can do it. Whether they are seriously trying to achieve this goal or seeing it as a possibility, I don't know, but if they are set on selling 5 million then I'm sure they'll do everything they can to try and meet that goal. +bubbles!
I serously doubt the 5 million. For that to happen MS would have to lower the prices so that in actuality people would get Natal for free (compared to the price today) when it's bundled. Bought separately Natal cannot cost more than 60 dollars for it to even have a slight chance to get to 5 million sold at the end of this year.
but you just said never twice?!
Have a bubble my friend. Everyone who disagrees has a small penis.
Agree if you have big penis disagree if you don't.
@alaa- Be careful with those assumptions of yours. For all we know, Natal may be only $49.99 or may come as standard with a $300 360 bundle. We know that Microsoft is gunning for the Wii's throne. Because of this, Natal may be supercheap. And with all the money they've gained from XBL Gold membership and overpriced perhiprials..they can certainly afford to make Natal extrememly affordable. Microsoft wouldn't say 5 million if they didn't have something BIG up their sleeves. Edit: I still don't know why a certain group on this site want so much for Natal to fail. If Natal is cheap..its a win for GAMERS. The people who are STILL on that red ball ricochet crap clearly aren't gamers. Any fool hass he ability to comprehend that ACTUALLY retail Natal games will be WAAAAY better than that. But, as always, PS3 fanboys only hear what they WANT to hear :)
Keep telling yourself that, man. Because you say it, it must be true.
bear in mind the epic natal announcement, my guess is gears 3 has shoehorned natal support in agaisnt there better judgment thing is if wii has the casuals there not gonna want to fork out another 300 for a new machine regardless of how better it is people considering the wii might take one of the hd offerings instead if theey didnt want mario and his chums
If natal is bundled from now on for instance with the 360 it will easily sell 5 million thanks to the bundles alone. MS sells around 9 million 360's a year and we're only in June. And if its around 50$ without even being bundled, 5 million isn't over the top if MS manage to convince the crowds at E3.
Remember when they pursued an early Xbox 360 release? They sold really well cause they were the first next gen console to hit the market and was marked at a reasonable price. The flip side of that victory was that the tech had issues because it was rushed out without proper testing. History could repeat itself here.
I doubt MS are that dumb. If the average N4G user isnt that stupid then I dont see why they would be.
How can they sell 5 million when the release date is November, 2010? Maybe if they release it with Halo: Reach. I don't see this taking off like the Wii though.
I'm not going to buy this...
NATAL will be cheap. MS "leaked" the 150 price to "mind-condition" people. So that when it comes out at $50 ... people will think it's a steal. (... of course there will be a lot of people who'll fall for it.)
To think it'll be under $100 is just setting yourself up for a disappointment. The MS network adapter is $100. What would you expect. Just be glad the NATAL isn't battery operated. We will let the games justify the price.
Look at every Natal article since January and you will see the same Natal/360 detractors pushing the same smear agenda ad nauseum. We get it..THEY are not going to buy one and the want everyone on N4G.com to subscribe to the same beliefs. Unfortunately, for them it doesn't work like that when they log off. If and that is a BIG 'IF' Microsoft delivers a truly compelling Natal reveal on Wednesday then there is absolutely no reason why those figures won't be realized. The 360s best 4th quarter was 6 million sold..last year was considered their worst gaming year and it still did 5 million+ in the last quarter of 2009. Again, if Micrsoft sells off it's inventory and pushes a bundled 360/Natal console which is pushed October through January of 2011 then there is no reason why it won't be in at least 4 million homes minimum. This includes the stand alone Natal/game bundle. Nintendo's Wii proved one thing.build a compelling case for family gaming experience + have a great E3 showing and watch the figures pour in. Microsoft's wise decision to market Natal out of the box on Nick at Nite and MTV aims directly at the target audience Natal wants to attract. The hardcore fans of the Xbox 360 will push Halo Reach and Gears 3 to those monster numbers. But, Micrsoft is in a win-win situation if it can tap into a market that pushes games like Just dance to head scratching success. This isn't about PS3 vs. the 360. Having 65 disagrees because you say something good about Natal or Move is like throwing pebbles at an ocean. At the end of the day, it's the millions of people who shop on Black Friday and the holiday season who will make or break these add-ons.. I for one can't wait to see how it all shakes out this week Evil