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Submitted by N4PS3G 1596d ago | news

Project Natal + Minority Report: Microsoft files for gesture patents

The Seattle Times: Just ahead of next week's public unveiling of its Project Natal motion control system for the Xbox 360, Microsoft has filed for several patents covering technology for controlling PCs and game systems with gestures and motion tracking.

They also make it clear that this technology is no longer the realm of science fiction as in the movie "Minority Report." (Microsoft, Project Natal, Xbox 360)

niceguywii60  +   1596d ago
Can't wait.
SonyGoogle   1596d ago | Trolling | show | Replies(11)
SonyGoogle  +   1596d ago
Umad?
pwnsause  +   1596d ago
Timesplitter14  +   1596d ago
It's like I'm really on www.4chan.org tell all your friends
candystop  +   1596d ago
I just want to see what Natal has to offer and no more hype. If this thing can recognize gestures and track finger I'm impressed. So many unanswered question and disagree why give a F@ck seriously. E3 is suppose to be fun and a battle between MS, Sony and Nintendo only.
Parapraxis  +   1596d ago
I find it somewhat amusing that many people think that hand complex gestures (with Natal) will be easy for people to quickly adapt to.

They couldn't be more wrong.

How many people here use mouse gestures in their applications?
A simple click of a button or slight movement of a mouse will always win until we have an interface so responsive that a twitch of a finger can open a context menu or highlight text.
wages of sin  +   1596d ago
And you know this because...
You have played and know all about Natal right?

Sheesh.

Put up or shut up time is coming for Microsoft. Let's give them a chance. I'm really looking forward to Natal and I hope they realize their goal. I also hope Move is great (although I don't want Move).
ChozenWoan  +   1596d ago
Ohh boy here it comes...
Next month MS will be suing the National Association of the Deaf for patent infringement.
Parapraxis  +   1596d ago
wow, lol...that was really good.
I will point out I'm being genuine here as my overwhelming sarcasm in my post #1.1.5 was so potent some people may be confused.

Seriously, I wish I had thought of that one.

(on a side note, I kinda wish your name was ChosenJuan)
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ChozenWoan  +   1595d ago
^^^ Thanks
and your one of the few who catches onto the second meaning of my name... since my middle name is Don. lol
MastermindPS360  +   1596d ago
:D
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darren_poolies  +   1596d ago
@R2D2
Yeh, Iron Man 2's is much much cooler but Minority Report brought it around first.
FarEastOrient  +   1596d ago
Crazy Patents
Who is letting these patents be approved it is just like Apple being approved for a patent for fingers touching a touchscreen. Even though they were not the first company to come up with it or even use it.

NASA and the United States Army has used gestures and motion tracking before the release of Natal so I wonder how they think they get anything like this approved.

But than again our Patent system is broken.
MELMAN26  +   1596d ago
@FarEastOrient
LOL...you reeeeaaallly don't want Microsoft to succeed with this huh???

Why please tell my why people on this site HATE Natal so much? I dont get it!

Edit: oh I get it now, the disagrees just showed me. Its because of the fanboys, my friend warned me about you people. CLASSIC!!
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Cevapi88  +   1596d ago
the reason the patents can be approved is because MS is looking to patent it for PC's and its gaming console....i really havent seen any other company do this so idk if it has been done before...MS will hopefully talk about it at E3 and will show how this works when you are trying to navigate through the 360 w/o the controller...so things like moving through your music, game, and entertainment library will be shown off (hopefully)....

off topic....i think that Natal could use a peripheral/accessory that you put on your hands just like in the movie Minority Report, especially with games where you need precision....so the more precision you have with your hands, i believe that it would be better...gestures like having control of the trigger on a gun to being able to look down the sight of a gun can be done on Natal i believe....this is what i would like to see at E3...
Gawdl3y  +   1596d ago
Holy crap, a four-bubble! I must eat your face! Om nom nom!

But seriously, Natal really isn't that much of an innovation, nor is the PS Move. They've both been done before -- Wii and PS Eye/Eyetoy.
rob6021  +   1596d ago
Well getting a patent really only helps MS cash in and monopolize, it doesn't determine whether Natal succeeds or fails. It seems to me its more about keeping anyone else from being able to do what MS is doing than helping gamers out. Defending a patent like this is more fan-boyish than bashing it.
MELMAN26  +   1596d ago
@rob621
Who is defending anything? Certainly not me, I am just making an observation, just look at the Natal articles vs the Move articles then look at the comments, whenever someone is optimistic or excited about Natal look at many disagrees and negative comments the person gets. Then look at the "move" articles comments and responses and look at all the positive feedback. I mean look at my first comment, I had about 8 disagrees before the edit, and I barely said anything....lol.

The people on this site are so biased and anti Microsoft its hilarious. The sad thing is that I don't think that it is "Natal" that they hate, its the fact that Microsoft has it. Personally I am interested in both.
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kws1065  +   1596d ago
Don't worry
There will be thousands ways to avoid the patent through hardware, software or both.
SonyGoogle  +   1596d ago
Minority Report was a weird movie.
Silly gameAr  +   1596d ago
Gesture patents? That is hella lame.
oohWii  +   1596d ago
Really?
Tell that to apple with their patent for touching a touch screen. Or swiping across to unlock the iphone.
Silly gameAr  +   1596d ago
Yeah, that is equally as lame.
crapgamer  +   1596d ago
good move, cause Sony likes to copy the current thing and now they cant :) GJ MS!
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1596d ago
Ignorance is bliss.
DelbertGrady  +   1596d ago
And Move is Wii.
Doc Sony   1596d ago | Offensive
Parapraxis  +   1596d ago
#5.1.1 See #5.1
gamingisnotacrime  +   1596d ago
cool comment
since everyone was using BluRay and Cell chips in 2006, sony is just another copy cat right
Keltik82  +   1596d ago
crapgamer
I've commented on you before I'll do it again. You're a douche. Thank god you have only 1 bubble.
NYPunk88  +   1596d ago
his name says it all
crapgamer

<3 u pookie! :D
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MastermindPS360  +   1596d ago
move is wii agreed!
Ilikegames76  +   1596d ago
Using gesture
to control apps have already been done. MS just copied it and now it's going to patent it? Really lame if it got approved for patent.
Ivan Drago IV  +   1596d ago
Im sorry but..
Natal will be an epic fail of epic proportions period. Ive thought about it time and time again and i dont see how Natal will possibly be a success.. The wii crowd already has their Wii, Natal seems like way to much work.. just look at this, http://www.youtube.com/watc... take the rafting game for example.

Its just pointless. Why would you move your body dancing like a chicken to ride a raft? would you do that in real life? no

Move makes perfect sense because its augmented reality. In other words when your playing some games with 'Move' you can turn the controller into something you would actually use. Like oh say, a fly swatter to swat bugs? a tennis racket to play tennis, that makes sense.. but dancing like the crazy chicken just to play a raft game? see the dis connect?
feelintheflow  +   1596d ago
Thats like asking why Dance Dance Revolution is always a top selling game in England.
People don't care how lame they look. Been to an arcade and watched the idiots play that dance dance game and do all the stupid moves? Do you think waving your arms around with the move won't look lame? Oh, your just a fanboy. Sorry I wasted my time on you.
Xi  +   1596d ago
is that a smile I see on the kids face? If only he knew how stupid he looked having fun.
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spacetattoo  +   1596d ago
NATAL CAN TOO
How can't natal use different meterial in hand. it see's everything so why not grip whatever you want and use as a weapon or what not.
gamingisnotacrime  +   1596d ago
did not know gestures could be patent
well whatever it takes to cripple the competition, MS style
Spezzational  +   1596d ago
Can they patent waves and and kicks too because that seems kind of over doing it.
Gawdl3y  +   1596d ago
Wtf is going on, TWO four-bubble people in one article?
I don't believe it. I must wash my eyes.

America's patent system is fucked anyways, it's not like this patent will stop anything.
Sitris  +   1596d ago
ROAR!!!!!!
lol

Thought i might scare you with another haha

Seriously though, Natal should be interesting, i've said many times that i will be buying a 360 if the price drop is real, I must have me some Halo Reach haha
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Pedobear Rocks  +   1596d ago
I really don't like the way the
Patent system is being used to artificially control what human movements can be used to trigger a response in a system. I think it is fine to patent the hardware and software that INTERPRETS the movements...but to patent the movements themselves (like Apple has too) just rubs me the wrong way.

PBR.
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Spezzational  +   1596d ago
Why you got a disagree there is beyond me
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sickbird  +   1596d ago
didnt we see this done with move? i could of sworn i their was a video of the move doing the "minority report motion"
Bzone24  +   1596d ago
Wasn't really done like Minority Report with gestures. It was done basically by point and click with a couple Move controllers.
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webeblazing  +   1596d ago
that was the eyetoy and sony didnt patent it or made the game final, but its been a ton of gesture base game with and b4 eyetoy
Dylantalon1  +   1596d ago
xbl/psn- dylantalon
if only the eyetoy on ps2 uses gesture motion for some games when it lauched 7 years ago.
gamingisnotacrime  +   1596d ago
maybe the gesture are more specific like using your hand as a gun, and stuff like that, if that makes sense to anyone
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1596d ago
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And it can do more, that is just a demostration. Voice Recognition and a lot more on PS Eye.
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MELMAN26  +   1596d ago
ok tell me this....
If the pseye can do everything that Natal can do then why are they not doing it. Why wouldn't they show that they can do both? Come on people!
rob6021  +   1596d ago
They think they can get the patent by using a '3d' camera and not a '2d' one, because it's obvious that's where this technology would be heading. I just wonder if Sony owns the patents for this type of thing with a '2d' camera. Patents like this are ridiculous.
sickbird  +   1596d ago
i love getting disagrees when their WAS a video, i remember because i showed my gf in a feeble attempt to get her into video games.
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LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1596d ago
Cool!
Move already did it though.

Sorry.
Bzone24  +   1596d ago
Move did point and click Minority Report style with two controllers. Didn't use gestures.
Gawdl3y  +   1596d ago
Wow, make that THREE four-bubble people.
Just read my previous comments if you want to know what I think. xD
LeonSKennedy4Life  +   1596d ago
Operation: Creature Feature.

Used gestures to navigate the menu.

I've owned it for two years.

Research, man.
Bzone24  +   1596d ago
So you could navigate the menus of this game with gestures with Move two years ago?
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Ilikegames76  +   1596d ago
Looks like Bzone24
doesn't own a PS3. Operation: Creature Feature does use gesture. I also owned that game. Look it up in the gametrailers website. You don't need Move to gesture, you just use your hand to control the menu and to play the game.
Bzone24  +   1595d ago
I know it's hard for you to keep up Ilikegames76, but here goes.

LeonSKennedy4Life said Move had already done the Minority report thing.

I said they didn't do the gestures thing with Move, they used two controllers point and click style.

LeonSKennedy4Life then stated that the Creature Feature game used gestures to navigate the menu.

We are still talking about Move already did it right?
So I asked if you could navigate the menus of that game with gestures with Move two years ago.

Glad I could help you catch back up.
dizzleK  +   1596d ago
the national epileptic and spastic society will be getting a rather nasty cease & desist from microsoft.
MGOelite  +   1596d ago
managed to get a disagree for posting a video =) gotta love n4g
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iceman2929  +   1596d ago
Soooo....
If these are granted, does that mean if im caught making those gestures MSFT can sue me?
webeblazing  +   1596d ago
lmao
you patent gestures now. from the company that patents everthing that people did b4 and that felt that it not wrong and dumb to do so im not suprise. i dont know if can keep supporting MS. but theyre still my fav company for things like this. money over everything its the american way
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webeblazing  +   1596d ago
are yall disagreeing dat most major companys in usa care ONLY bout money or that MS patent everything even if it seems like a normal thing to do.
gumgum99  +   1596d ago
Time to dry my hands...

*waves hand at dryer*

cops: You're under arrest!

What the?--
N4BmpS  +   1596d ago
Soooo are we going to be able to idk move freely with out being sued by Microsoft? I mean seriously, I hope this isn't some type of New World Order plot from MS. (I'm sure it's not but I'll just pray that they don't get that patent just to be safe)
RXL  +   1596d ago
the only reason why im more interested in natal than move is because natal is less like the wii and really that's the only reason why microsoft and sony even put out this crap...

to compete with the wii..

fluck the wii
fluck move
fluck natal

and fluck you if you like this flucking stuff!
DoucheVader  +   1596d ago
Gestures....
How do you patent a Gesture? You didn't make it, if I accidentally do that gesture with my PS3 am I violating copyrights?

Patent laws are becoming absurd. Like that guy that sued RIM wireless because he dreamed up a bunch of features that would be in wireless phones. He never built a damn thing.

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