Natal: Why the Hardcore Should Be Excited

The current library of confirmed Natal games isn't garnering too much excitement from the hardcore demographic - and justifiably so. Although Joy Ride and the rumoured dance game being developed by Harmonix may turn out to be great, they're not likely to grab the attention of the dedicated Halo, Street Fighter or Forza player.

But that doesn't mean the hardcore gamer has nothing to get excited about. Sure, it's unreasonable to ask them to buy into Natal this early - but it may be that their enjoyment of Natal comes in a non-gaming capacity - at least initially.

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N4GAddict2903d ago

I'm not sold until I see the hardcore games

Bobbykotickrulesz2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

Talk talk talk. I'm not judging Natal, I just need to see more videos of it in action.

At this point, Natal has just as much of a chance as Move in my opinion. But, that could either be right or wrong, depending on if they show off shitty, gimmick games.

Blaze9292903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

I think the hardcore will be interested in Natal but not for it's games. Me personally, i consider myself a 'hardcore' gamer yet I could care less about Natal's games. I don't have the room for that anyway so that's already out of the question.

However, I'm more interested in the device itself and the option of controlling the UI of the xbox 360 with gestures and voice and even extending that to Windows PCs. If Microsoft opens up a SDK for maybe some Natal apps and indie games then I think it'll be very cool and that's how the hardcore will be interesting. Not by smacking red balls.

ReservoirDog3162903d ago

Yeah, even if I was excited for Natal (I'm not), my 360 is in front of a bed. I'd have to rearrange my room completely to have any (like, any at all) room for natal.

So unless something so earth-shatteringly amazing is shown at E3 (something earth-shatteringly amazing enough to redecorate my entire set up), I don't care.

insomnium2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

Like I've said from the get go this thing should be made a windows Natal ie an OS. That's where the only potential for this device lies mainly due to lag. Maby casuals don't care for lag but I'm no casual. Lag destroys something like this. Same goes with the Move. Lag is fatal.

JonnyBadfinger2903d ago

There is nothing that Natal or Move can bring to the table that the Wii has already not.

I give both of them about as much of a chance as anybody getting a head job from a lion.

HolyOrangeCows2903d ago

"One of the most exciting aspects of Natal is the potential effect it could have on the user-interface of the Xbox 360 - in particular how the player interacts with the dashboard. The promise of a Minority Report-like gesture interface system coupled with voice and face recognition is something that is undeniably exciting"

I really don't get why that excites people. I'm not going to buy Natal so that I can over-complicate the way I use the dashboard. I'd rather tap my d-pad than wave at the screen and hope it registers correctly.

Conloles2903d ago

There is no hardcore market with this or Move.

MasFlowKiller2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

For the people that are getting this for controlling the UI, that would be such a waste of the hardware, getting it to wave your way around the UI and voice recognition. Hell the PSEye could probably do that if Sony wanted it to, if MS launches Natal as a new way to navigate the UI more then an extension to gaming i have a hard time seen much potential for this.

What people are forgetting is that at the end of the day the 360 is a GAMING CONSOLES, and if it doesn't add to its gaming goodness then whats the point?

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Xi2903d ago

but I'm glad natal doesn't require brightly lit bulbs, or paper tubes to do stuff like that.

V3N0M2903d ago

Indeed,talk the talk but can't walk the us more games and let us see what natal is really about. don't fuck with us and just show us what we want to see.let natal speak for itself.

Sonyfanclubpresident2903d ago

play quarters with me.

My friends can't drink me off the table,
so I would like to see that idiot Milo try.

tinybigman2903d ago

in either natal or move.

n4gno2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

Only move with 1:1, no lag, wireless and eyetoy/natal + controlers can do the thing for hardcore gamers.

[email protected] and dumbers cez of rage and commodore "sony make thing that nobody wants" roflmao nobody wants better hardware, better games, bluray, free online, wireless + battery included controlers, etc etc .....probably, in dumb land.

AAACE52903d ago

I don't think Natal will bring much for the hardcore gamer. But I do feel it's biggest selling point will be for weightloss. Unlike the others, Natal requires you to use your whole body. If the games are fun, you will get a good work out without thinking about how much you are moving.

The key with weightloss is moving the body, flexing the muscles, getting your heart rate up and getting your body temp up. What you eat is important, but moving the body is how you drop fat, tighten skin and tone muscle!

This is where Natal will find it's true calling! Sony will more than likely have games more targeted at the hardcore and will be competing more with Nintendo in that area. Then again, MS could have something in mind that we don't know about.

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-Alpha2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

We honestly simply need to wait. People are quick to say Natal wont have any hardcore games and people are quick to say it will revolutionize gaming. People simply get their panties in a bunch for better or worse. I'm optimistic that Natal will succeed, however I am, right now, seeing it advertised to the casual audience. I don't doubt MS sees some benefits for hardcore audiences, but we need to wait and find out. I see Natal being much more effective towards casual gamers. That's not to say it wont appeal to hardcore gamers either. Really, when we look at even Move there is no telling what the developers will do. Look at how the Wii turned out. It's not so much that hardcore games are not possible, it's more about the fact that devs don't care to appeal to a limited crowd if the bigger crowd is more attainable. People saw something in the Wii we self-proclaimed "hardcore" gamers didn't see. We really do shape the effects of this industry.

This is why I think Sony's first party will be so great. I trust wholeheartedly they will not shortchange the games. Quality developers make quality "hardcore" games. The word hardcore is a hard word to use. Many casual games are fun too. Bottom line is that developers need to make good games. I trust in guys like Criterion, Bethesda, etc. but the problem simply is that we have to see these products first, and until then no one can be sure about anything. And unfortunately for someone like MS they have to rely on developers who they cannot control, I assume. Unless they make deals with them I suppose but largely the third party content is created by the developers and publishers. Natal and Move WILL be shaped by the developers imagination but the ace up Sony's sleeve is the First Party. MS does not have a strong one and I feel that this means Natal will be defined away from the hands of MS. And even then, will third parties even care for Natal or Move, especially the quality names like Bethesda, Rockstar, etc? But this is all speculation. Time will tell. I have no doubt that MS will push Natal hard and this means making business moves and what-have-you. I find though that it's like catching rain to take a drink. MS scrambles to catch it, while someone like Sony has water from a tap. I think this is my concern for Natal ultimately, MS doesn't have a First Party to rely on which means they need to find another way. Whether or not they can do it, that's the question.

DeepInterludium2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

Natal just isn't precise enough to get excited for. Maybe you'll like it in the future but not now when the choice is, hey do I want to control a game where all my inputs will be received or do I wan to flail my arms around hoping the game will recognize something that results in a positive outcome.

But maybe CVG is right. Obviously the "hardcore" gamer has never picked up a controller before and would would rather use sweeping motions with a hand instead of just tapping one direction on the D-pad.

Inside_out2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

Natal is geared for the casual gamer...M$ should concentrate on casual gaming, if they do, they won't look dumb like Sony claiming it's for hard core gamers while showing ping things nobdy wants...Found this hard hitting news piece on Sony...^^Deepinterdumb^^ should like it...check it out...

commodore642903d ago

@ cez of rage


Dude, that's the funniest video I have yet seen on n4g!
Thank you.

tinybigman2903d ago

I can see why you both have 1 bubble. Not the brightest bulbs in the pack and 2 of the biggest trolls on this site I've ever seen.

Anyway both move and natal suck I have all 3 consoles and I barely touch my Wii. I don't see either of these motion controls doing big things but I could be wrong just have to wait and see.

despair2903d ago

I'll wait for E3, if MS doesn't show anything else but that damn ball game, i'm writing natal off as a failure, but i'm hoping for some kind of reveal.

JonnyBadfinger2903d ago

I dont care which developers are behind it... you cant make joggin on the spot and flailing your arms above your head fun...

For this reason i refuse to play the Wii... i dont mind looking like an idiot but i am highly competitive with anything sport related... me and Wii tennis always ends in a fight.

The only function in which Natal is useful for is voice recognition. but then again i swear alot when playing games so everytime i get angry and shout "F*** OFF!" all the Natal will hear is OFF. then that will be followed but a white brick being piffed out the window.

Move as more of a chance at being successful simply because its a copy and paste version of the Wii-mote, which is already a proven working concept.

Natal is far to ambitious, and unnecessary when you can already turn the console on/off with the controllers any who.

Boody-Bandit2903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

"People are quick to say Natal wont have any hardcore games and people are quick to say it will revolutionize gaming."

Okay AM22 I can honestly say Natal/Wave or what ever MS will name it, won't work for hardcore gaming with nearly 100% certainty. Why? Because Natal wont have the precision controls needed for hardcore games. Every single demo I have seen of Natal shows a delay. That and hardcore games have too many button controls, some games using multiple button presses at the same time, for movements and commands during games. How are you going to emulate that with just a motion camera?

It's not a matter of being a fanboy, ignorant or wanting this device to fail. It's simply a matter of common sense. You can see various forms of motion camera techonolgy all over the net and all of them have lag. Even Wii motion plus has lag. I own one and the delay drives me crazy on most games. Even table tennis doesn't make the shots of the motion I am doing with the controller.

These devices are fun to fool around with. I love technology and messing around with new toys and apps but just like Wii, is a novelty item and it wont sit well with hardcore gamers. I prefer to kick back on my recliner or chase lounge when I am playing my 360 or PS3. If I wanted exercise I would workout or go biking.

Just look at this "Cam Space"
Does that look hardcore to you? Do you see the lag? That lacks precision in a big way and it simply wont due for hardcore gamers.

Unless a company can come out with a motion control camera with zero lag that will work in any atmosphere (lighting, distance, clothing, depth perception, etc) these devices will be nothing but a novelty for casuals to play with. Even if it's an add on for hardcore gaming I personally would rather not use it. I bought a Wii only because I wanted to see what all the hype was about and that's exactly ALL that it is, hype.

There are a "few" good games on the Wii that make good use of the motion controls but they are few and very far between. I don't see MS being able to do better than Nintendo at their own game. Especially considering "most" the Wii's best games come from Nintendo themselves.

ArmrdChaos2903d ago

You are aware that developers will be able to use Natal and regular controllers at the same time correct? Just because MS is using this "you are the controller" crap to sell to the casual market does not mean that developers are restricted from developing hybrid games. The only question is what they will be able to come up with seeing how there is some overhead involved. We will just have to wait and see.

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qface642903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

realisticly speaking the so called hardcore so far have nothing to be excited about
so why some people are so excited and defend natal like crazy i don't know

it doesn't matter if (insert name here) has the potential to be great, good or bad
it doesn't really matter if microsoft or (insert name here) says natal is and or will be amazing

until they actually show something for the so called hardcore to be excited about then no the hardcore should not be excited for natal

dizzleK2903d ago

stop giving me bullshit hyperbole about why i should be excited about something. give me some concrete shit that'll excite me. i've been told for months that i should be excited but haven't been given one solid thing to be excited about. theoreticals and hyperbole aren't exciting.

Microsoft Xbox 3602903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

x2. How is anybody supposed to be excited for Natal if all we see is nothing but mindless movement in front of a camera? Nothing remotely revolutionary about that. It takes no skill and the lag is still obvious. If you pay attention to the spectators in the recent Natal vids, they don't seem to be enthusiastic about it too. The only people even interested in Natal are the xbox loyalists.

ActionBastard2903d ago

When they show something remotely "hardcore" using nothing but Natal, then I'll get excited. Until then...

nygamer282903d ago

Dude that video sucks,-bubbles

qface642903d ago (Edited 2903d ago )

im giving you a bubble for that

Meryl2903d ago

you beat me to it, it's exactly what i was thinking and it never get's old, ps move is the only way now, natal is just beyond a joke