The SWANTONMASTER Team go over How Naughty Dog Killed Uncharted 2 Multiplayer
What's with the dramatic title
because it's a dramatic game ;)
In other news Video killed the radio star.
before 1.05. They also changed it from saying "players online" to "daily players." Probably because they knew the players would drop. It said aroud 80K the first day of 1.05. I bet its alot lower now. IM going to go look. ITs just not as fun as it used to be. I commented on their fourms to make a pre 1.05 playlist and they didnt. Why not listen to all the people that were there who LIKED THE GAME THEY BOUGHT. MUltiplayer was the reason I bought U2. Woulda just rented it. Edit-- I used to use the AK the most, and still do. The game used to be better in EVERY way.
The vocal people are usually the minority. Even though they say it's dead and all that stuff, they have nothing to go on but terrible data. Naughty Dog has already said (in an interview) that they heard all the complaints but commented the number of players has actually increased. In other words the majority liked it. I can put forth another example. Before SOCOM Confrontation came out, everyone said how they all loved SOCOM 2 more than SOCOM Confrontation, can anyone guess what the numbers were back then? 2k players for SOCOM 2 and 10k players for SOCOM Confrontation. That's 5 times as much. I think Naughty Dog is doing the right thing, they're listening but they make up their own mind and considering their history, I trust them to do the right thing.
Hmm just read.. I wondered after playing recently again why the FAL sucked I used to always use it when I first bought the game. I was getting pwnd and thought I was doing something wrong and thought the AK was a lot more powerful I thought I was going mad. However did it kill multi-player? No.. Just changed it... Some people need to get real and stop crying because there favourite weapon got nuked boo hoo..
using fal mainly because they have a bad eyesight or SHlT at aiming, I prefer ak47, it powerful, quick, I don't have to keep pressing the shooting button everytime, with ak47 i just hold it, although ak47 is not accurate compare to fal or mp4, but if you like been noob, you can just grab a shot gun/pistol and ran up to people and press shoot BANG! no need to aim how easy is that
There's a difference between adjusting an over powered weapon (which none of the weapons in U2 when it released were particularly over powering). And changing the core mechanics of a game after it's been out for 4 months. Nerfing a gun is totally different from changing the way the health system works. Now there is no need to pick up any of the weapons on the map (except the grenade launcher) because the AK47 does as much or more damage than every other gun on the map.
I played it SO MUCH when it released but the lack of online trophies and additional co-op missions had me trade it out after I had gotten the most out of it so I dodged those problems. I still can't comprehend why they carried out the trophies so freaking late! I was anticipating them from the first time touched the MP which was after having platinum'd the game.
A lot of other people on this site hate online trophies.
naughty dog said: we wanted everyone at launch to be able to get platinium thats why
UC2 MP users are very passionate about this game and if you had a chance to play the MP before they made modifications to it you'd understand why. It was a lot of fun to play. But I agree that these users need to chill the f**k out. I hope that ND learns from this experience and applies all that knowledge towards their next MP. You got to cut ND a break here, it was after all their very first multiplayer. Most people forget this because everything from SP to MP just felt so damn perfect. We're actually very lucky to have NaughtyDog develop for the PS3 and only the PS3. NaughtyDog 4 life!
but I must say, the game is still good. Certain things felt a bit different, sure, but not bad. It barely took me a minute to get used to the changes. I'm doing as well now as I did before the modifications.
I never played it before the update as I was a late comer but now I play it every day and love it BUT I would probably be upset if they changed it back and I had to get used to a different style again. If you can adapt then its cool but still upsetting but as I said I love it as it is cos I don't know any other way.
Yeah, great title, I didn't realize they killed the servers completely on this game /s
UC2 is pure godness!
The multiplayer is still great, but the article is true, despite the dramatic title. We all love ND's great Single Player, but they are far from experts at the multiplayer. And it's too bad because I find the MP to be genuinely unique, highly enjoyable, and severely underrated. This man puts it very well, and has created the most favorited thread on the ND forums: http://forums.naughtydog.co... He puts it very logically, but allow me to explain too: Naughty Dog tried too hard to please everybody and they lacked confidence in their product. Changing the core gameplay after the majority was used to the style simply because some people complained about the weakness of the AK-47 is just a bad decision. People were, for some reason, expecting the starting weapon to be really powerful but the whole purpose of a game like UC2 is to go for the powerful weapons lying around the game. Before the AK was underpowered purposefully but it was manageable to use. I could easily get kills with it, despite it being harder than most other weapons to get kills with. That was the POINT-- to get stronger weapons which were all around the map. Now I get killed with AKs from across the map making weapons like the FAL useless. However, since they screwed around with the health/damage all weapons are way too easy to get kills with and the action has turned much faster paced and cover is a little less useful. Instead of aiming for the head people can now get kills with any gun making the game simply accessible for everybody, and that is what ND wanted. Before, if you carelessly aimed at the legs and torso you'd have to go through a clip and a half. Now you can gets kills much easier no matter what. The problem is that some of the faithful gamers got fed up with this and left the game because they changed the core mechanics. The reason why it's such a bad move isn't because they changed the principle of the game: people can get used to the change, but it's the fact that they forced this upon everybody just when nearly everybody was getting used to the game mechanics simply because a few people on the forums complained. The best solution was to make it a playlist like hardcore mode in CoD, but instead they make it the standard. It makes absolutely no sense. I got used to the change, but I wish ND was more confident in the product they did had because it was fantastic the way it was. I bought the DLC just yesterday and I continue to enjoy the game. The co-op remains great, and so does the multiplayer, but the gameplay has changed and it makes no sense to do that to a game when you release it and have it out for so long. On top of that it just created more issues for them to resolve (balancing), and there are already so many more problems with matchmaking, glitching, etc. that just get pushed back unnecessarily.
I really doubt Naughty Dog lacked confidence in their product... They just thought they could satisfy more gamers by making the multiplayer more accesible. Is it worse or better?? I don't know because I haven't played the game much after the patch.
is the best game made this gen...
That is why UC2 won the GOTY, and have more than 140 Awards, and keep winning awards this year, is the most Awarded game in the history of videogames =).
17 shots or a clip and a half to kill someone with an AK-47? No thank you. Those that complain about "realism" have no right calling the game realistic if they prefer pre 1.05. The new patch is fantastic and finally fixes the underpowered AK47. It should NOT take more than a clip of constant firing (all bullets hitting) to kill someone. And no, it's not like Modern Warfare 2. In Modern Marfare 2, it only takes 2 f*cking bullets with that scar gun to kill someone. 2 bullets! Don't even compare Uncharted 2 to MW2 and say retarted crap like U2 is almost exactly like it now. They've found a perfect balance with the AK now. AK accuracy and damage by default is sh*t. The gun has absolutely no other pro's other than it fires automatically. So by increasing the damage of this less accurate gun, the game is more balanced. And no, Uncharted 2 should NOT be a game that depends on who runs to the weapon and gets it first. Uncharted 2 should be played based on how good you are with ANY weapon. The goal shouldn't be to go and get the most overpowered weapon you can get your hands on so you can kill people as fast as you can, the game should be about using the weapon that YOU LIKE to kill people with. I myself use the 92fs and hardly ever switch to another weapon. G*d damn that weapon in this game is f*cking awesome. It's the best pistol in game I've ever played, and controls smooth as butter and is very accurate too. Finally, a game where a player with a pistol can go toe to toe with a player using automatic weapons. I barely ever use automatic weapons, and when I do, it's usually because I have ran out of pistol ammo. But anyways, quit complaining, this article does NOT have a valid point. If you cannot avoid 6-7 shots, then it's YOUR fault, not Naughty Dogs.
@counter strike Yeah, it's just an opinion piece. But I think UC2 online is as good as ever as well.
Article is SPOT on, never known a game to be broken on purpose after release especially after a 6 month beta. And naughty dog dont give a shit whatsoever, how hard is it to add a seperate playlist after they have stated they can do it easily over and over again.
So long as there's people who love the game for what it is (rather than hating it for what's missing), such complaints will go ignored. It'd be great if they could update, but hey, the majority says they love it, then why change it?
so if the majority likes it, is it really killed? I don't get the logic in this article
I never known somebody to be so biased as you Jack its not broken. They as devs do give a s**t I mean the reason they made those changes were because the majority of the people who played the game actually asked for them what more do you want from the devs??? They are doing these changes for the people who play them just because a few people don't like them you think they give a crap?
The most comments EVER on ND.com was after they changed it wanting at least a pre 1.05 playlist. They nerfed nades because like 3 people on the fourms wanted them to. Then completly IGNORE 100s of people wanting a pre 1.05 playlist and make some other bs playlist instead.
It is a real shame that they decided to change things up so much when things were absolutely fine. It just makes it much harder for good people to do as well because the health is so low now. It was my favourite multiplayer game by far until they changed everything and I haven't played it in months because of the changes. It's now just really easy for every1 to get kills due to the AK being so powerful. Wasn't the whole point in a the M4 that it was better but you had 2 pick it up? Instead you just get mauled if you don't use the AK. And it's not that I don't do as well in matches after the changes, it's just a lot less enjoyable which sucks. Sort it out ND, you've ruined an incredible multiplayer
@everyone who has posted We are all united in the fact that we should have been given an option of playing how the game was b4 the major update. 1.04 SHOULD BE GIVEN ITS OWN PLAYLIST Uncharted 2 is a masterpiece :) happy gaming
OH LORD here we go sigh. I like the multiplayer and I play it sometimes very good. Just wish we had more features in the multiplayer thats my only complaint.
There is a 1.4 following out there who will never stop. The game is fine. Just need to expand it, more options.
1.04, the gameplay was perfect. 1.05 changed the weapons and damage, and personally I don't enjoy it anymore. All they had to do was increase the animation time for nades, instead of killing the radius. Fix a few holes in the maps, and it would still be my fave MP game of this gen.
Uncharted 2 wasn't a game focused around multiplayer, so why do people expect so much out of it? It was made for single-player which delivered a 10/10 and the MP was just something extra. I still enjoy UC2 even though its not the best. Edit: "I enjoy UC2 MP" is what i meant to say :P
gamers adapter, whiners just whine
The game shouldn't have had multiplayer in the first place. I know it was developed by a different dev, but there are people out there who hate U2 because of the MP and they refuse to play the main game because they think it's just like MP. Which, as you all know, is ridiculous and that means some people won't experience the awesomeness of Uncharted.
uh naughty dog did all the work in it inc multiplayer so im confused the idea for mp came around cause of a couple of devs working with source code and got it to work with 2 drakes controlled individually
What the hell are you on about?! Amy Hennig said in an interview (One of IGN's interviews, IIRC) that the MP part of the game was developed by another developer because she/ND wanted to focus on single player. Oh and what's this 'idea' you speak of? Last time I checked, U2 has MP because the fans wanted it, not because some devs were messing around with the source code. Stop pulling shit out of your ass, please.
I'm pretty sure the other reason ND added MP was because the media bitch slapped them for UC1 not having it. UC1 is so way underrated.
If it was Free roam like red dead redemption for multiplayer and using the whole world to run around in and then choose matches and game modes i think it would of been cooler.
I`m still surprised how well Naughty Dog handled the Multiplayer in U2. I don`t think it sucks at all its very fun and let alone they are still adding to the multiplayer to this day. You see a lot of developers after a good 6-8 months out on the market the game has gotten its expansions and its finished. Well not with Uncharted 2! This is all just a matter of different opinions tho.
I play uncharted 2 online all the time,and I don't see anything wrong with what ND did. Yes, I know they ruined it in 1.05 but then fixed it in 1.06. The game is perfectly balanced as it will be with the exception for the power weapons as they'll always overpower everything else. Get over the fact that many people enjoy it now than patch 1.04. It's still the same no matter what.
To whoever disagreed, if ND made a playlist where it was like 1.04, would you play it now?
I played my first game of thise the other day, loved it. Dont really see what the issues are. ANyone care to let me know? ALso isnt this just a BS blog thats totally off base?
none at all superstrokey you know how these lameass people are if they get out of their cod gameplay style they freak out like a bunch of pansies. I mean what happened to playing a game the way it is and not complaing cause it isn't similar to cod. Killzone 2 got the same treatment cus people couldn't stand change. I played Cod, Killzone 2, BBC2, U2, Halo Reach beta and not once did I complain about the way a game played. I played them and learned their styles EASY AS THAT!
I personally like games taht are a bit different, as long as its not huge and a stupid mechanic it doesnt matter to me. I dont want all games to be the same.
With only a Few guns that shoot like they were bought from master chief, yea the online felt very hollow. Hate to bring up Lag of Duty XIV but they did set the bar that sadly HAS to be reached or its not accepted.
call of duty ruins every thing, cod is for noobs and cheaters i hate cods MP its soo boreing,BFBC2 is way better then modern shitfare 2 all they do in mw2 is camp and noob tube and run around with 2 shot guns . what really pisses me off is when devs think every game needs to be like cod or when the codfanboys cry about the game being to hard and then devs change the game for them but oh guess where those cod players went?? back to MW2.killzone and BFBC2 FTW
This is a lame article. Headshot is a headshot so I dont understand why you would shoot someone in the leg? Its not call of duty where a shot to the toe kills them. Play something else if you dont know how to aim.
Love the multi/coop. The DLC maps are the best yet. Which is a reversal from normal DLC which is almost never up to par with what came on the disc. Whiners whine and haters hate but if your like me you enjoy it for what it is. Game on.
I agrree. I really don't see what is the problem. I still play the multiplayer everyday and don't get what people are talking about. I still have fun outwiting those who think they have the game all figured out. MW2 was the most broken, glitchy, over hacked and full of cheaters multiplayer game ever and it's still not fixed but that didn't stop you people from buying one billion units of it. But it's always fun to rag on a PS3 game.It's the latest thing.
MW2 must rule the world because you can't make a shooter nowadays without catering to its fans sooner or later.
I been playing Uncharted 2 MP since it was released. Sure the 1.04 patch screwed some things with the game but you know what they wouldn't have made the changes if people weren't requesting it. As of right now I think the game is still pretty fun and with the additions and tweaks added made it better. I mean considering this was there first MP game they did a better job than MW2 devs did with MP.
I've been saying this since 1.05 released. Completely agree with this article. Naughty Dog tried to fix something that wasn't broken.
i haven't found it a problem. I just got used to it =/ I enjoy it now as much as the beta and the release days, and it has changed but i CAN NOT complain about it. actually, for one people do less aim+throw granade's for some reason, which is a relief because that was the ONLY stupid part, now it seems less used =3 however I can't disagree with the article: I honestly see no point in the changes made, and if it pissed some people off, it obviously didn't help =(
i play the story more than i play the MP lol but ya i see his point of view now all i do online is take dramaitc pictures using its movie option thing and upload them to facebook. lol
I still play it everyday and love it.
Awesome multiplayer, play it almost everyday.
Good points. But I still love and miss the multiplayer (had to sell it during hard time this year) As far as articles go though. This is a perfect example of why game journalism is not taken seriously. Why not just take the time to write out a full article and give the reader reasons to agree with you?
If you actually go on Youtube, there are many gamers that are throwing a fit over what they've done with Uncharted 2. I never knew it was this bad.
"How stupid, whiny, children who are unwilling to just learn to play killed Uncharted 2 multiplayer."
What they need to do is fucking remove all the fucking patches unless the patch fixed a glitch or matchmaking. I hate how you can't kill like 2 or 3 people at a time now. This fucking blows. I feel like I'm not playing uncharted anymore its more like MW2. These developers need to stop listening to the fucking complainers. I liked how before you had more health like if someone shot you in the back you were able to turn around and kill the person, now you cant do that anymore wtf.
wow you obviously suck at uncharted 2 then and you want it like MW2 so you can only play n00b friendly games like mw2 wow you need to get some skill your like a person who doesnt like me2 because you have a ammo limit you play your game that only 9 year old americans play on live and northern england kids play on ps3. if you had some skill use cover more or do you just run out in the open like a mw2 person does and thinks because you can get kills doing that in an fps it will work in a tps
i dont understand what people are complaining about. the game is the same, its fine. The ak47 needed to be nerfed somewhat like the MG3 in BFBC2. I remember being on 10+ killstreaks, because of how easy it was to do with the ak 47. My only problem now is that you dont have to aim for shotguns, and the FAL is still sh1.t.
I liked MP before update, because game wasn´t all about shoothing, people didn´t camping, they didn´t need to, after update people start camping and shooting from range, because they know, they will win...
i agree with you now its all about taking cover and camping your dick off. I'm sick of games that all you do is just camp the entire game.
more damage, less health. if you are getting shot in the back, then you are done. the hand grenade changes actually made camping more powerful. i don't mind camping but it makes the game boring sometimes
Still a great game...
I have saw no difference whatsoever in the multiplayer.. Grenades are still fine FAL is still 3 burst kill and the AK has always been powerful. Its nowhere near as bad enough as some of you are saying that you stop playing the game. Its OP for everyone and the only reason u stopped playing was cuz u were used to running away and blind firing grenades everywhere and now ur shit at the game.
the multiplayer died? last i looked it was ok and fun to play what happened was i away?