There are two ways that Natal could end up being a dismal failure. The first is if Natal doesn't get enough support from quality outside developers. The second way that Natal could fail is if Microsoft prices it too high.
These are obvious possibilities. Of course lack of support and price will be bad ways to start off. We don't KNOW for certain the price or the future of Natal, so I find it confusing what articles outlining the obvious are trying to demonstrate. I really think we should wait 'till E3 and this already has been commented on numerous times ever since Natal's price rumor was announced. Also, regarding price, I don't think MS expects to sell to the core audience/current users. The other half of the $150 rumor is that it will be bundled with an Arcade model for $299 and if that's the case, and if MS pushes Natal as the family-friendly device that is used to watch Netflix, chat with friends, play family games, etc. then you can expect it to sell to the untapped casual audience. Compare it to the Move and I expect Move to sell to users who already own the console.
MS should promote the "one price" feature of Natal - meaning up to four players can play using just one Natal accessory. Current Wii owners who may be looking to upgrade to a 360 or PS3 will certainly know that it gets expensive to add 2-4 extra controllers, as the Wii (and Move) require for multi-player.
Are you sure about the up to four players for one Natal, maybe wait till they actually show that working, because right now it has trouble tracking one person with out lag. Four people will not be able to play using one Natal that's my prediction, maybe up to two.
The four players was rumored, but it doesn't matter anyways. The casual audience that Natal is aimed at doesn't follow rumors on N4G. Once it is released, the core audience will know all of the details. Even if it is just two players, it's still a comparable price point to Wii or Move.
You make some good points. Casuals are going to be more interested in Natal and while Move will work for both audiences I think it will appeal more to the core than the casuals who will most likely see it as another Wii type peripheral unless they get to try it first hand. Would be great if MS could sell Natal at a loss like Sony did with the PS3 but even selling something at a break even price temporarily is pretty much taboo for them. edit: @ soxfan2005, that's a good point. The promo videos we saw last E3 did that and I think MS will actually promote it that way around release. edit2: @ El Botto, true but it's good that these platform holders are working on improving interactive interfaces. I believe Move is the better one as it combines tactile control and feedback with the kind of stuff that Natal can do too.
Natal to be a smashing success otherwise? Really? Or maybe the technology behind it is crap and you have a two second lag that you need to deal with it. Natal is, first and foremost, a PERIPHERAL. Do not forget that fanboys. Its just like the wii racing wheel for mario cart or the vitality sensor (whatever that does) or the 360 wifi or the HD DVD add on or the Wii board. In 95% of all cases, peripherals suck and end up as failures. ya ya "but but but the motion detecting abilities, the movements" So is the Powerglove. So untill proven otherwise: Natal sucks. *Tuuuu (spits on the ground)* My money is on Move. Simple, accurate, precise, support and cheap. Best combo ever. Cuccucccucccommmbooo breaker!!
The idea is selling the 360 first and foremost....A new redesigned 360 with Natal and a game at $299 is reasonable to me..How families feel about it is what's important...People are crying about $150 but many people bought Guitar hero or rock band that cost the same or more for that add on...lol...it's not like 3D where you need a NEW tv to play it...I wonder how Sony is gonna spin that little detail....LMAO.... Natal will do or die on the " apps " that are shown for it...What if Natal is available for the PC community as well...Fable 3 is Natal friendly and is coming out on PC....Hmmmmm....I just don't see how it could fail...Remember that part in the Natal promo, where that kid comes in the room and the Kung-fu master calls out his name and challenges him to a fight...If they actually have something like that, that would be MASSIVE...Milo is a real game...will be available at launch....E3 will be critical to Natal and 360 success...
I think $150 for stand-alone is high, but $300 for a Natal equipped Arcade is entirely marketable. If consumers think it's enough of an improvement over the Wii with Natal and HD, I could easily see it selling at that price. Look at how many people paid $250 for a Wii.
This peripheral is undoubtedly targeted at the Casual audiance which will not be buying this for 150 bucks. Core gamers, on the other hand, won't buy it unless it shows some groundbreaking games (which I don't it will). As is, Natal seems poised to fail with both the Casuals (becuase of price) and the core gamer (becuase of lack of any good games).
only dumbass 360less ps3 fanboys make assumptions about natal before their e3 event. a xbox360 120 gb arcade for 199.99 is extremely profitable. xbox360 belive it or not are extremely cheap to produce and xbox360 slims will just make them cheaper. and as for games 76% of all third party game devs are developing for it. the game devs are not stupid. microsoft is not stupid. this thing will dominate so STFU. this is why i cnt wait till e3 so all the ps3 fanboys can shut their fucking mouths they're in the lead for a few months and they're celebrating already lol. stop JUDGING IT WAIT UNTIL E3. now it will be funny when microsoft unveils xbox360 slims and natal and alot of games at e3 lol. and if they announce natal is cheaper then $150 lol priceless lol
Is this more anti Natal speculation based from the Rumor. Not even worth reading.
Japan. I see Natal being huge in Japan. The name itself is likely in reference to birth or more precisely, "breach".
I believe $150 is likely, but I thin it's best to wait 'till E3 before saying 'failtal' or something. If Microsoft announced $150 at E3 then it's bad news, and not purchase from me. I don't agree it should be $50-60, $100 would hit the sweet spot.
I think Natal was designed to be bundled with the 360 and that is how they are intended to really sell, which could work as a relaunch. If they are expecting to sell a ton of these at $150, then yes it will fail.
A new lower priced slim model (though not likely to happen) with Natal bundled would be great IMO. I'd be tempted to pick one up.
Maybe the writer has got some inside information? Nope...just another stupid headline on n4g.
Why do people always want something or someone to fail? N4G is a cesspool of pessimism and negativity.
The disagrees are just so ironic.
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So if this price is correct, $150 for 4 people to use is a bad deal? How much does it cost to allow 4 players to use Move or the Wii? Come on. I already said it once, Natal isn't meant for single player hardcore gamers on N4G.
How often do you have a game that supports 4 people at the same time and have that exact amount of people that want to play? I will answer first: Not often at all.
Not to mention people aren't going to see it that way. They are going to see it priced much higher than PlayStation Move which seems like it is the same thing. The average consumer will go with the cheaper option. They don't think ahead. Why do you think so many went with the 360 before the PS3 came out?
Did they get Sherlock Holmes to work this out? Well done!
The 4 Players Games, the new excuse to justify.
What are you talking about? Sony, MS, and Nintendo are all going for the casual multiplayer game experience. Nintendo already has it and MS and Sony are trying to follow suit. Edit @ dizzlek Below Where do you get 100 players from the number 4? And how is it any different than Wii or Move for 4 players? Why so many fanboys? I still can't figure out why people ignore so much just because they only have 1 console. @Pennywise Why do people own 4 Wiimotes then? You are somehow confusing a single player hardcore gamer with the type of people who play Wii. With multiple friends and for party entertainment. IS it that hard to understand that MS isn't marketing Natal for people like us?
so what if natal supports 100 players on one device? if it's shit software it doesn't matter. you'd need a living room the size of a basketball court and a 100" screen to have 4 people playing at once anyway. "lets move the furniture into the spare bedroom hon, the johnsons are coming over and they want to play natal". and later that night "dammit i didn't grab her tit on purpose, she got in the way of the red ball catch. damn our human sized living room and furniture arrangement! you destroyed my marriage!" i live in an apartment, i'd be effing lucky if there's even enough room for me to play.
Best to wait and see. Oh to those thinking Natal can deal with 4 players perfectly...I ask for one iota of proof..
Honestly I'm not sure it can. I think it supports one player but multiple people can use it by taking turns. If you look at the commercial, you never see more than one person playing at the same time.
they are setting our expectations low so they can exceed them at E3
As crazy as the price sounds, it doesn't seem farfetched to be honest. Under $100 would mean it's on the same level as a 360's HDD or WiFi Adapter. How would you justify pricing those accessories at that high of a price when a motion detection device goes for about the same? What has me more anxious is the fact that Microsoft went out of their way to debunk the small rumor about Natal releasing this month, but has yet to even talk about Natal's $150 price tag. PS: Sure it can track 4 people at once, but you aren't all going to be scrunched together standing in front of the TV to play a 4 player game. A lot of Natal's game involve a lot of movement (obviously). Flailing around with 3 people next to you is dangerous. If it's a casual platform, people have no problem taking turns playing and - at most - buying one extra controller to play with another person.
Natal is doomed.
Forget sales, I think its just going to fail to deliver "Move" will also fail to deliver, and in the same way, the Nintendo Wii is nothing but a gimmicky gamecube with motion control, Yes I know its been said a million times before, but thats because its true. Real gaming will never be done this way, with Natal or with Motion controllers, and besides, Natal = Eyetoy rip off, Move = Wiimote rip off. I've owned a Nintendo Wii, got it free with my mobile contract, even spent a great amount of time and money buying a substantially large collection of the very best the Wii had to offer at that point (September 2009) and you know what I did? within a week or so I traded in that piece of sh*t in disgust. Nintendo are a one trick pony, they couldn't play catch up to the big boys, so they took what they already had, outdated tech, and added motion control to it to please the retarded casual gaming masses, and then just keep releasing the same old crap (Mario etc.) with the rest of the third party games being terrible. They know that if they actually attempted to take a real step forward, and create an up to date console which could play the current games released for PC, Xbox 360, PS3 and offer something unique for us to give a crap, that they would fall flat on their face. But hey, why would they? they can just keep on sh*tting out the same crap over and over, knowing that morons will buy it. You know, we talk about Microsoft, and Sony being like this - But in reality, Nintendo is the greediest of them all, they only care about sales, and nothing else, and that is why they have given the finger to the real gamers out there, and started catering exclusively to the casual crowd with pure garbage and cheap novelty CRAP. Sorry, rant over.
yay that gimmicky thing you call the wii mote has had it's console sold over 70 million wii's and counting, failure much?
thats just stupid! where were those 70 million people last gen when the gamecube really needed them. as a matter of fact do you think those 70 million will be there for the next generation consoles. as far as Im concerned I agree with Alithebrit. Nintendo is a one trick pony that got lucky and reeled in a bunch of casual people that I garuantee you will not be interested long enough to pick up nintendos next system. A bunch of sheep those casual gamers they are
They are such a 1 trick pony that PS3 is copying them right down to the sports game that comes with it. Irony much?
oh yes you got me there mate. sony has to rely on motion control and forget about blu ray hi def and superior gaming. man what was i thinking the wii had it all along/ extreme sarcasm so now implementing motion to broaden an audience is bad? lol at least with the ps3 you get the best of both worlds. The wii oh only waggle tough break kid
I see this lasting 6 months or less natal is just the eye toy been passed by the biggest gaming company s in the world
no matter what we will get the price of natal first and move second so sony can just charge less for move and get it out earlier
Even if Natal is $149 and Move is $99, if you want more then one person to play Move you need more Controllers. So add it up. It's actually going to be more expensive for Move and all you can do with Move is stupid video games. Natal at least offers some nice Voice recognition tech, scan ability, AI abilities and no second, third, forth controllers needed. If the Ipad can sell 2 million units at $500 each, then surly a new gaming technology will do so. It's a first day purchase for me and a lot of others. I'm excited.
Lol for your ignroance, all you said is possible with an eye toy (and move use eye toy). "stupid videogame" lol again : it's the reason why the controler are interesting or not (by the way, oriented fanboyz like you told us before that "xbox do only videogame and it's better then bluray player, internet browser, etc" contradiction people.
I imagine quite a lot of it's pre-existing fan base will be interested in natal, but put of by the pricepoint without a accessible bundle for them. Not to mention whilst 360 players are primarily casuals, they're not the same people who buy the 'imagine' style shovelware which Natal is likely to be based off, of.
huuuuh not again.............only dumbass 360less ps3 fanboys make assumptions about natal before their e3 event. a xbox360 120 gb arcade for 199.99 is extremely profitable. xbox360 belive it or not are extremely cheap to produce and xbox360 slims will just make them cheaper. and as for games 76% of all third party game devs are developing for it. the game devs are not stupid. microsoft is not stupid. this thing will dominate so STFU. this is why i cnt wait till e3 so all the ps3 fanboys can shut their fucking mouths they're in the lead for a few months and they're celebrating already lol. stop JUDGING IT WAIT UNTIL E3. now it will be funny when microsoft unveils xbox360 slims and natal and alot of games at e3 lol. and if they announce natal is cheaper then $150 lol priceless lol priceless lol
The problem is not the price, the problems are : - it's another eye toy (only usefull for casual games) - xbox 360 (who should cost 0 to compete with ps3 now)
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