Gamertag Radio says: "The Last Word with radio host Matt Cooper plays Project Natal with his co-host Anton Savage. Check out around 6:50 where his co-host asks "There was a lag." and again on 7:55 "Is there a lag or do I suck?"
...given all the recent press I'm afraid it looks like Natal is still under-developed. Considering the lack of, well, games and with early reports like this, how do they expect to take on Wiimotes and Move in only a few months?
lots and lots of advertising
I agree, it does seem under-developed. But, this video has made me form a little hope for the first time. What did it, you ask? The software was responding to him opening and closing his fist. Sure, maybe it would respond to a simple wiggle the same way, but what if it actually detected an open hand? I'm starting to wonder if Natal might be worth something in 2-3 years, when developers finally figure out how to use it (like the Cell during its first couple of years).
People gotta realize this is still in development if it was done they would release it already. So I'm not judging a product that isn't finished.
I now understand. The plan is to set expectations so drastically low for E3 that ANYTHING new they show for natal will be looked at as a roaring success. the sarah palin effect - Brilliant!
Guys, you really Believe Advertisement is Going to Work after some Shows/demonstration of the device? I know people can be dumb, but come on, you're underestimating the masses... Better wait...
I think you guys have out smarting M$. They thing by hiding the screen they could fool the hater into thinking that the game is fun by just showing the users faces. But the fanboys can sill tell that it doesn't work. Amazing! Now to what actually took place: That last guy was making so much fun of the first player, that when he got his turn, and he knew he was going to be on the net, he tryed too hard not to look silly and never relaxed and got into the game. He reminds me of some of you on this site who care move about looking kool while playing games than actually enjoying the game.
"That last guy was making so much fun of the first player, that when he got his turn, and he knew he was going to be on the net, he tryed too hard not to look silly and never relaxed and got into the game. He reminds me of some of you on this site who care move about looking kool while playing games than actually enjoying the game. " That guy look like a smuck with his grin, stiff movement and hands in his pocket!!! Will there be lag? I'm almost certain there will be, but developers will just have to figure out a way around it. Instead though, I think the internet will explode because one guy said there was lag on video while another couple hundred seem to not have mentioned it....
"how do they expect to take on Wiimotes and Move in only a few months? lots and lots of advertising " after that hit them with a little more, and there you have it. A complete success. Except the time when they advertised FF13. @inveni0 "The software was responding to him opening and closing his fist." PS Eye can do this also; its not that impressive.
the Jedi mind trick that they are going to use on the "journalists".
lol so true.
The average consumer doesn't and wont know its just a camera.
"...given all the recent press I'm afraid it looks like Natal is still under-developed." LOL, nice determination based on the fact that all uve seen of Natal is tech demos. Speculation. Speculation. Speculation. Why do u people want Natal to fail? LOL, I got one better, which one of you have PLAYED Natal in its final form with an ACTUAL launch title????? Im waiting.... Ignorance, Desperation, and Insecurity, the 3 facets of idiots who pretend to know what they're talking about. God forbid u people actually test a product out yourselves before judging it. @BakedGoods- No. Any smart gamer would WAIT until they test out Natal(in its final form) at their local electronics shop with a launch title. How can u be smart enough to understand that all we've seen from Natal is tech-demos but be too ignorant to understand that tech demos DON'T equal final product lmao. People who prejudge Natal(or Move) without playing it first= SHEEP @Baked Good- Haha...and YOU are the ultimate determiner of what REAL gaming is huh?
"...based on the fact that all uve seen of Natal is tech demos." Exactly my point: tech demos. It comes out in four months and all we're seeing is the 'ball game'? Not to mention some impressions already note the lag and capturing problems. Any smart gamer would need more confidence in the product before dropping $150 on an accessory. EDIT: @deadreckoning666: Sure, wait till launch and play it. The rest of us will be knee-deep in some REAL gaming come the fall. I read gaming news/impressions so I can decide what games I'll commit my hard-earned cash to, and so far Natal isn't shaping up to be much. REAL gaming = anything but a motion-capped 'slap-the-ball' game.
@deadreckoning666 - When saying something positive about the 360 or wii on this site, some things are reversed. The agrees are 360 fans that agree with you. 75% of the disagrees are PS3 fans that agree with you but are incapable of admitting it because for some reason that are afraid to. Natal, has really got a lot of them afraid. It's so bad now that they have stop saying good things about MOVE and are working full time hating on Natal. Go figure, the irony of it all is they complained to badly about how people prematurely judged the PS3, yet it's okay for those same hypocrits to do it to Natal.
Well Said. @BakedGoods "REAL gaming = anything but a motion-capped 'slap-the-ball' game." Is Move or Wii "real" gaming?
I just noticed on other post that when people think of Natal, all they seem to know is the ball game that was at E3! Go to you tube and type in "Project Natal" and watch the first video!
it's looking more and more like M$ Ru$h-ware.
Yep, only the final product is really judgeable. Writing Natal off is like writing a game off for having bad AI in its pre alpha stage.
um... pre alpha? 4 months prior to release, most games are near the point of going gold. this is the point where they should be fine tuning every aspect of an already near perfect system. we just don't seem to be anywhere near that point yet, and them not allowing us to film a year old ball demo still to this day does nothing to boost confidence. nor does this guy and many others still saying it lags, and lags even worse with more than one person on screen.
Have you seen so much hate and fear of a product before? Who in the hell would make an article about somebody asking a question? Microsoft will reveal one of the final builds of Natal and all its offerings and launch lineup soon. What does Ricochet's tech demo code response time have to do with Natal hardware and device/system software? lol It's like saying PS Move response time will always be that of the Move boxing game. Dam Natal is getting hated on by PS3 fanboys and Wii fanboys at the same time. Ricochet is just a demonstration of what Natal can do and not a set in stone example of its potential out of the gate for all games and uses LOWLLOLOLOLOL
"Have you seen so much hate and fear of a product before?" - yeah, the PS3! and then KZ2!
The future of gaming huh?
I would say that it's unclear at this point. The guy complaining about lag was playing like "I'm too cool to play this game" and he, in turn, sucked at it. The other guy was actually trying to play the game and not only did he do a lot better (per the sounds), but he didn't complain about lag. BUT since just about everything shown on Natal had lag, the guy complains about lag, and funny enough this clip never even tried to show the game in play, I would have to say that at the least the lag issue is not resolved until proof is provided to counter that claim.
It could be just a case of "I'm losing because of the host advantage" syndrome where the person has to find external reasons for losing. I expect Natal will have some lag because of what it is doing. There's a lot going on inside that system. I mean, if Move adds 6ms of lag over the Dualshock by tracking one point, think how much time all that skeletal mapping takes. If developers find the proper ways to use it, though, it can bring some really cool things to the table.
They're gonna pay a lot of celebs for this one.
when is NATAL coming out again ?
Considering the scale of the area it is supposed to detect and the fact that this isn't a super high tech devise then it's bound to lag.
I guess circ du solei is gonna steal the thunder from Natal.
This looks more lame the more I see it. Please MS bring the big guns for E3.
What do you want bigger guys? All I saw were to guys playing around. Did I miss something?
natal will suck and will sell alot
How? I mean, if something "sucks", it tends to sell Bad, for example bad games that sell badly, this rule can't be applied to natal? O-T: Better wait....
@ sikbeta Demarco156 is saying that Natal will suck, but because it is a Microsoft product it will sale. Kinda like Windows Vista. Or the 360 itself (just a funny joke not a real hater of the 360, its actually pretty decent)
The guy's pretty funny though
things like this do look discouraging for Natal but don't completely judge it at least until we've seen it @ E3 [in person or videos],ok that's my 50 cent.
I don't see myself playing this I'm good wit my controller sorry MS but ur jedi mind tricks won't work on me lol
If Natal has games, with devs compensating for any shortcomings, then what does it matter. I've actually been more interested in seeing the UI in action. More than likely, that's what's going to sell it to casuals. And if that has to come in later, comes in pieces via updates after the hype train officially rolls out the station, then that's when Natal fails. @inveni0: All the PS3 needs is an app for the PSeye. At any time up to and including after Move comes out.
Well it kind of does matters considering Natal revolves around body movement detection... I understand that a small lag won't break this thing, but if it lags it sure should matter.
I wish PS3 would let me power on and off, navigate the XMB, etc. with a wave of my hand and the sound of my voice. That would be cool.
Say On Then Press The PS Button.... Say Move Right Then Move The Left Stick Right........ Lol
Well, atleast it didn't (__color)(__noun) of death.
I'll be glad when gamers can look past this natal vs move debate simply because each is a byproduct of the system they support. Open your eyes people both are nothing more than quick cash-ins to try and steal wii marketshare. If they were serious about this motion crap sony would have invested more in the eyetoy and MSFT more in the vision cam. Half the people here defending one or the other know they aren't gonna buy either peripheral. Most people here aren't playing wii sports or wii sports resorts anymore for those of us who have wii's. We may pull it out when company comes over but that's about it. For the most part you've been burned once. So why in your right mind would buy 'Move Party' or 'X natal Casual compilation' for how ever much they may cost only to have another piece of crap in your room, den, or living room that's going to do nothing more than sit there? Also how many people are seriously considering playing halo reach, gears 3, killzone 3, socom 4, or any other competitive game using motion controls? I'm not buying either. Unless of course Sony comes out with some type of Star Wars game where my move controller color bulb thingy reflects the color of my light saber "Mace Windu" purple. If that's the case then ignore this entire post as that's money well spent....
I hear ya. This motion-crap is a cash-in. Realistically, I would like to play some next-gen lightgun-styled shooters using Move, but we're talking about only a handful of games I'd use Move with, everything else will be DUALSHOCK 3 all the way.
This damn red balls game again??? really?
come harder ms
The bad thing about Natal lagging is, my body already lags. I'm mean seriously, if I have to do a roundhouse by the time my leg gets in the air and then Natal catches up I could have made a sandwich and installed some games on my PS3. My own lag + Natal Lag. Not good for gaming. (This post is what some people call "tongue in cheek" in case you didnt recognise it.)
Again the same game. Sigh...
Wow. That looks so..............rrrrriiiiight. I might play Natal if I were in my house. Alone. With all of the lights off........and insane. *Goes back to playing Modnation racers*
bless whoever plays this game in public with plenty of attention. i hope they got something good at e3 i can play the wii allday and not get tired after seeing this i could breakdowm withen 5 minutes. too much movement.
I dont mean that in a disrespectfull way.
i agree, i think we will be surprise with what Microsoft will show us at E3 thats why they just show this stupid game so it can no be copy and win E3!
I'll let a specific fanboy answer that...
the guy in the video answers by saying "I couldn't comment on that" I take that as yes there is lag but we don't want to focus on that.
That looks fun. :3
The only time the public will really see what Natal can do is when M$ releases it, and you go to the store and buy it. It seems that M$ will pump major money into advertising this peace of junk, by the time the consumers realizes what's happing, M$ will have your money.
Then when it doesn't meet their expectation, Ms will give them a three year warrantee and they will claim ms = god..We all know how the history goes.......
Same red ball game..... Again. Everyone is still waiting for Natal to deliver.
Dana white in the background hahah :D
the red ball again... i honestly feel sorry for microsoft... after seeing this.... look at them it looks painful only after a few minutes... and shows how gimicky and cheapy the games can be... i love that M$ included a HDD in XBOX 1 and what the xbox 1 was all about.. but damn they dont have any games besides halo and gears.... (the real millions and millions sold games) everything else pretty much is on my ps3... i seriously hope they bring out new games that can only be played on xbox and nowhere else... lower the cost and make live cheaper and that will buy them alllllllllllot of time + a crazy install base and well im on my 5th xbox... but if it breaks i will get a new one... lol but they need something else besides this because its not looking too good no matter what celeb says on a camra
Most times they laugh is when they make a mistake or the system doesn't work right.. lol
wait; i know this may seem stupid but the guy on screen when he said it lags, the guy behind him said stand more in the center so it can get more of your body ( he only moved about 2 inches ) then the guy said there you go.. i swear it sais up to 4 players? lmao
"looks like major mental problems" LMAO this is a funny video.
I swear they are trying to beat us to death with the same played out demo...its to the point I dont care any mo until I see something new
its ine for awhile but as soon as he gets into the higher rounds the product cant keep up.. aswell as him clearly stating there is lag